From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Mon Apr 16 12:37:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3GGbkN03575 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:37:46 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3GFXlF28942 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3GFXl828938 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27659 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3GEhHL14951 for lro-digest-gone; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:43:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:43:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200104161443.f3GEhHL14951@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #338 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Monday, April 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 338 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:36:01 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Toro vs Fairey, the results I also took pictures of the components side by side, but will have to wait until I finish the roll off before I can put them up. - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:03:29 -0500 From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: Missing piece "Jim Hall" wrote: >Well, the problem turned out to be the ever popular #4 exhaust valve. >It is missing a piece. Guess it's time for a head rebuild. The reason for this is worn valve guides. The sloppy fit in the guide allows the valve to be pushed ever-so-slightly out of vertical by the rocker. Valve contacts seat at the same place first each rev, so it develops a hot/weak spot, leading to the familiar, wedge-shaped crack. *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary-----* | | | A. P. "Sandy" Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | (757)423-4898 (757)622-7054 FAX (757)622-7056 | | | *----1972 Series III 88"----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:56:45 EDT From: Solihull@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Coil Equivalent # In a message dated 04/12/2001 09:48:35, Alan_Richer@Lotus.com writes: >Concourse? Not hardly bloody likely. I just want it to run reliably. > Yeah, that's why I use the bosch coils=E2=80=A6 Cheers!! John Dillingham Vintage Rover Service Canton, Georgia 85 Range Rover Vogue 5speed 68 SWB series IIa=20 72 SWB series III ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:16:07 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... >From: TeriAnn Wakeman >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: "LRO list" >Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... >Date: Sun, 15 Apr 01 08:38:26 -0700 > > >Am I getting this correctly? > > Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something on > >the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, someone > >will stop you doing it? > >They are pulling your leg Frank. No they aren't. My girlfriend came to St. Louis to visit recently. She constantly commented as to how often she would be blocked or cut off in traffic. I suggested she: 1) wait to signal til the last moment before a lane change, and 2)adjust her car's mirrors so she needen't move her head to see prior to the final glance for a lane change (obviously she doesn't drive a series). much better, she said. Not completely tho, as she beat a hasty retreat back to MT, due to her high stress level here. Yes Frank, there are MANY less-than-courteous folks here in the U.S. The only for many in America is abject suffering, Prozac, or living in places where A-hole density is tolerably low (which St. Louis ain't). - -todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:36:14 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Missing piece I imagine it is also responsible for #3 & #4 header pipes glowing a dull orange in the dark? Sloppy valves=exhaust leaking past valve? A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice wrote: > > "Jim Hall" wrote: > > >Well, the problem turned out to be the ever popular #4 exhaust valve. > >It is missing a piece. Guess it's time for a head rebuild. > > The reason for this is worn valve guides. The sloppy fit in the guide > allows the valve to be pushed ever-so-slightly out of vertical by the > rocker. Valve contacts seat at the same place first each rev, so it > develops a hot/weak spot, leading to the familiar, wedge-shaped crack. > > *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary-----* > | | > | A. P. "Sandy" Grice | > | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | > | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | > | (757)423-4898 (757)622-7054 FAX (757)622-7056 | > | | > *----1972 Series III 88"----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---* - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:08:01 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... >Of course, there are tossers who will wait for a parking space, even if >there's one twenty feet away. I had something like that happen to me the >other day. I went to fetch something out of my car. Someone cruising >looking for the closest space saw me get in, and waited. And waited. For >about five minutes, until I found the thing I was trying to find in the >glove box, and got out. They gave me a dirty look, like I'd wasted their >time or something. Do you think these are the parents of the kids that Marin has such a fondness for? Hmmmm - -todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:16:59 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: Weird experience Jim, You're a genius. Before hitting the trails today I took the inspection cover off the t-case and that darn nut wasn't even finger tight. I took a chisel to it and in 5 min. I was ready to roll--I love this list! Still dunno what's wrong w/ my winch but I reckon it probably won't be needed during the frameover anyway. Thanks, bill > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:21:20 -0600 "Jim Hall" > writes: > > Did you get that mainshaft nut nice and tight, and bend the tabs > on > > the > > washer? Kind of sounds like it's loose. > > > > William J. Rice wrote: > > > > > > Took the roof off today and went off-roading. Came to a > squirrely > > spot > > > in 2nd low. Lifted a wheel and didn't make it. Coasted back a > > > bit and > > > tried for another go. Truck wouldn't move--clutch slipping. > > > Decided to winch forward. Winch not working. Decide to pop > > bonnet and > > > see if winch connections are good. Bonnet won't open b/c I > > imagine the > > > bulkhead (roof off, remember?) was leaning back a tad too far to > > > allow it > > > to release. > > > Decide to use hi-lift and cables and chains and straps to try to > > > pull her > > > back. No dice. Some quad-riders come along. We try to push it > > > but it > > > sounds like something in the drivetrain is preventing the > truck's > > > movement (this is w/ clutch in AND the tranny in neutral). > > > Eventually I put the t-case in neutral and back she went. Any > > shifting > > > at all was incredibly difficult and required the rocking of the > > > truck. > > > > > > Once she was back down we tried to drive it. No dice in any of > > > the > > > gears, BUT if I put the gearbox in neutral and the t-case in low > > > and then > > > let the clutch out she'd move forward like she was in 1 low. > > > > > > So I figure I'll limp back to pavement like that then get a tow > > > home to > > > my spare tranny and my new frame (which I was going to start > > installing > > > next weekend anyway). But I hop in, put her in neutral (my new > > > first > > > gear) and she won't go anywhere! Neutral has become neutral > > again. > > > Gearbox works fine for the rest of the day, tho' it pops out of > > > 2nd low > > > like CRAZY. Once we got back to pavement it worked just fine > the > > whole > > > way home. > > > > > > Heres the question: What on earth happened inside my gearbox/ > > transfer > > > case and why did it cure itself after some bonking? > > > > > > TIA very very much, > > > bill > > > > -- > > Jim Hall > > 1966 88" Elephant Chaser > > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo > > "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started > wheeling > > > > with Jim." Mitch Stockdale > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:46:59 EDT From: WhatsUp129@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Weird experience it depends on what kind of noise. i have noticed on several accounts various vehicles' shocks making noise, but it was not a bad sounding noise. just like you could hear the fluid moving through the valve. if it is a noise like that, i wouldnt worry about it. adam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:07:18 +1200 From: "Macka" Subject: LRO: Re: Steering "clunk" Gudday lads, Was driving the SIIA SWB today and noticed it has develoed some sort of clunking sound in the steering. It seems to only occur when cornering at speed.... I have jacked the truck up and pulled the wheels from the bottom and the sides, no play in either, so I got the Missus to swing the steering wheel from side to side but it makes no noise at all when there is no load on the components.... Does anyone know what this could be???? How hard is the fix?? Best cheers, Andrew "Macka" MacGowan New Zealand Landrover Owners Club Moderator R.E.M.L.R Member 115 1952 Series I 80" ex NZ Army !!!FOR SALE!!! 1971 Series IIA 88" "Skippy" Ex NZ Army 1972 Series IIA 109 Ex NZ Red Cross !!!FOR SALE!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:21:20 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Steering "clunk" are your shackle bolts tight? Macka wrote: > > Gudday lads, > > Was driving the SIIA SWB today and noticed it has develoed some sort of > clunking sound in the steering. It seems to only occur when cornering at > speed.... I have jacked the truck up and pulled the wheels from the bottom > and the sides, no play in either, so I got the Missus to swing the steering > wheel from side to side but it makes no noise at all when there is no load > on the components.... > > Does anyone know what this could be???? How hard is the fix?? > > Best cheers, > > Andrew "Macka" MacGowan > New Zealand Landrover Owners Club Moderator > R.E.M.L.R Member 115 > > 1952 Series I 80" ex NZ Army !!!FOR SALE!!! > 1971 Series IIA 88" "Skippy" Ex NZ Army > 1972 Series IIA 109 Ex NZ Red Cross !!!FOR SALE!!! - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:20:58 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Steering "clunk" On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Macka wrote: :Gudday lads, : :Was driving the SIIA SWB today and noticed it has develoed some sort of :clunking sound in the steering. It seems to only occur when cornering at :speed.... I have jacked the truck up and pulled the wheels from the bottom :and the sides, no play in either, so I got the Missus to swing the steering :wheel from side to side but it makes no noise at all when there is no load :on the components.... : :Does anyone know what this could be???? How hard is the fix?? check all your ball joints for play, the steering relay is tight in the frame, and the steering box is attached firmly to the bulkhead. Then check your springs. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 08:06:26 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: No problems, no troubles, no worries Aloha!!!! That's right. No questions to ask. No problems that need fixen. Why you wonder? Did I just leave the project sitting in the driveway all weekend? I should say not. We had a true, no holds barred, white knuckeled little expedition this weekend...and me Rover survived :-). 3 88's and a 109 met early Saturday morning at Wheeler Army Airfield and headed over to East Range. Another 88 had to back out with dizzy problems, and 2 other series owners were not available. East Range is one of the training areas that makes up Schofield Barracks, the Army post on the center of Ohau. On the map there is an 'improved trail' that runs the perimiter of the training area, about 10k in length. Only thing is, the map is dated 1979, and for my lifetime the Division at Schofield has been Light (the walk every where). Judging from the maintainance of the trail, I would hazard to bet that it's been a number of years since even a Hummer has done the trail. On the weekends, East Range is open, sortof. Range Control does not allow civilian vehicles in training areas, but we found out that we are not 'forbidden' to go to East Range. It's like some unknown, unpublished rule. So just about every weekend sees a couple of Jeeps and Landcruisers hitting the trails. It's not gated off, but it's in a semi hidden spot, so you only ever see Military people out there. We had a beaut of a day, temps were nice and low, around 75mph, and mostly sunny. It has been pretty cool for the past week, and the winter rains are hitting us a bit late. Flood watches last weekend, and some pretty heavy rains every night since. The trails are not your typical mainland tanktrail sort. It's hard pack red clay and intermitant lava rock. In most spots the clay is very very hard pack. With the recent rains the surface in some areas had a nice 1/8-1/4 inch thick layer of liquified clay, about the consistancy of what you find in a babies diaper. On top of the hard pack it was like ice. Sections of the trail were really rutted, combination of Hummers, other wheelers, and decades of rain. In some spots the ruts were 2-3 feet deep, no shit. The ruts that were casued by hummers casued the most problem. The hummer track is so wide and the trails so thin, that you had no choice but to ride one wheel in the rut, one on top. Watching Kevin go through one section ahead of me, I was ready to turn around. I still don't see how he didn't roll over. The side slope was like this "/". Ok, that is an exageration, but only slightly. His passenger was waiste up out the window. When it came my turn, I just sinched up the lap belt tight....for the center seat, and let her go. If you have never driven your Rover from the center seat, I highly recomend it. Only had the dog as my passenger, have a sled type harness for him, and belt him in, but he freaked. AFTER I got through the worse part I did snap a picture out the front windscreen as to measure the angle between the trees and my Landy. What a rush. Oh, and if you popped out of the rut towards the left better stop fast and put her in reverse. It's a rain rut, that cuts even further left, and it was a long way down. At times we were on muddy track with a 20-30 foot cliff straight up on one side and a 80-100foot straight down on the other. I stopped once to take a picture, and had to hold on to the bed tub rails to prevent loosing my footing and tumbling to my death. :-) In some spots the rain ruts cut perpandicular across the track. Combines with the slickness it was kinda tricky. James and I have mud terrains but still had some wheel spin. Kevin and David both had all terrain treads. In one spot it was a tight right hand up hill turn, with a diaganol washout.. On the downhill side of the washout, the left hand side of the trail was a steep drop. Just past the washout, the left hand side turned into a steep wall and the right dropped off. James took a couplke of runs on the right side of the trail, the wall of the washout was steeper, and made it on the third go. Kevin made it with out a problem. I had my line a bit too far to the left and bounced off the cliffwall, no damage cept some paint scraped off my roobars. Helped sell a pair to one of the other drivers...hahaha. Dave's 109 just could not get a line. No matter how he lined up he got cross axled. He kept backing up to his left, trying to get more straight on at the rutt. I was holding my breath each time, he got as close to the drop off as possible. In the end, James climbed on his right front hood and kevin and I pushed. Made it no problem. This was the only section that the 109 seemed to have problems with. Dave wheeled a bunch in Oz and really knows how to drive his rig. Think he is considering a locker now though...hahahaa. Other sections of the trail were total wash out, knee high mud holes. Only had one wet ignition all day, wd40, and away he went. Got some great shots. In one knife edge section, we looked down in one direction towards Pearl Harbor, and in the other back up the central valley towards the north shore. For those of you that have ever slogged through the hills of East Range, you may know this area well, it's called "Top of the World". When ever some CO thinks his troops have a bit to much energy, he humps them up to the "TotW". I took over 100 pictures in all, going to take me a few days to go through them all, and edit the ones I want to post to the web. Will let you all know when they are up. What a great day, yeah!!! Later alls Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:28:22 From: "kyle vandyke" Subject: Re: LRO: paint and parts Joe, I'm halfway through painting my 109 by home spray painting. I did it by getting a pre owned Campbell Hausfeld HVLP paint system on ebay for around a hundred bucks(works ok even after my wife used it to paint the kitchen) and used thinned rustoleum almond (makes a nice light sand color.) Did it over several days in the driveway. I used a spray can of self etching primer to cover any bare birmabright spots. Not show room quality, but it has come out pretty nice. Probably would come out better with a real automotive paint but rustoleum is easy to find and you can use the spray cans to cover any future nicks. Also the "Series Shed" website had some nice articles on painting rovers. Kyle Van Dyke 1971 SIIA 109 1992 RR >From: jjp4 >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: LRO: paint and parts >Date: 14 Apr 2001 20:44:44 MDT > >I would like to get input on painting our beloved vehicles. I will be >looking >at painting my 109 in the near future and would like to get opinions >regarding >self (brush) painting and spray (shop) painting. I am interested in >problems >and quality associated with self painting mostly. I would like to get a >good >quality job where brush strokes are not an issue. Is this possible with >self, >brush, painting? > >Also I am looking for an early IIA door and would like to know if there is >one >available. Please contact me off list regarding this. > > Thank you > > Joe Palecek > 65' 109 5-Door Station Wagon (Pokey) > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:03:23 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: paint and parts > used thinned rustoleum almond (makes a nice light sand color.) Close match to the dupont sand paint job on my 88 also. Used a brush for the bulkhead and breakfast. Spray can on the new fender. Doesn't look too bad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:58:39 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: Martha Stewart recipes was LRO: Painting a IIa Take one parabolics, slice thinly and saute in 90w, add a dash of "castoral", garnish and serve. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:15:19 -0500 From: "Garrick Olsen" Subject: LRO: High Amp Reading I was driving the old girl (1960 SW SWB; generator, neg earth converted) up to storage last fall and I had a sudden loss then gain of amp reading. I hoped this was just a brushes problem as the gen light went on, too. When I went back to pick her up last weekend, I had the gen with the new brushes in, freshly trickle charged 2 yr old "big as could fit" die hard battery, and she started right up (on the 7th try). The amp meter is pegged at over +30 while the motor is running. With key turned adn motor off, the meter dips to about -5. With motor off and lights on, the meter dips to -15. Is this a failure of the bloody volt regulator again? I replaced it last summer after all electrics died suddenly. It looked like the PO had left a hot wire dangling behind the dash panel to short. Is it the VR? Are there other problems I should check, too? I have a replacement on the way, but I left her in storage (better part of valor...) How many of you carry a VR as a spare? - -Rik 1960 SWB SW in Minnesota, USA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:29:09 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: High Amp Reading your reg could have died again as they don't like standing for extended periods but look for a short too. John and Muddy Garrick Olsen wrote: > > I was driving the old girl (1960 SW SWB; generator, neg earth converted) up > to storage last fall and I had a sudden loss then gain of amp reading. I > hoped this was just a brushes problem as the gen light went on, too. > > When I went back to pick her up last weekend, I had the gen with the new > brushes in, freshly trickle charged 2 yr old "big as could fit" die hard > battery, and she started right up (on the 7th try). > > The amp meter is pegged at over +30 while the motor is running. With key > turned adn motor off, the meter dips to about -5. With motor off and lights > on, the meter dips to -15. > > Is this a failure of the bloody volt regulator again? > > I replaced it last summer after all electrics died suddenly. It looked like > the PO had left a hot wire dangling behind the dash panel to short. > > Is it the VR? Are there other problems I should check, too? I have a > replacement on the way, but I left her in storage (better part of valor...) > > How many of you carry a VR as a spare? > > -Rik > 1960 SWB SW > in Minnesota, USA > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:31:34 -0400 From: Bill Adams Subject: LRO: 300TDI (ridiculous) prices? Anyone who'd fork over 8-10 large for a series engine has to have more money than brains. For that kind of dough, you can get about 450 American EFI ponies and you won't have to convert to full-time 4wd. - -- Bill Adams Motion Graphics/3D Design Director IBB Broadcast Design Center, Washington DC badams@ibb.gov 202-205-9638 1966 Land Rover 2A 109SW Diesel 1981 Honda GoldWing Standard 1963 Pearson Vanguard "Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:50:15 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: People's Republic.... I'm told it's actually an acronym for Slow Temporarily On Passing > -----Original Message----- > From: TeriAnn Wakeman [SMTP:twakeman@cruzers.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 11:38 AM > To: LRO list > Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... > > > I read a tongue in cheek explanation once. Someone said that the white > border around a stop sign means that a complete stop was optional. I > guess everyone has come to believe it. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:18:44 -0400 From: Matt Peckham Subject: RE: LRO: 56,000$ Series IIa 88 gee, could this have possibly been posted on the 1st of April? - -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Hoult [mailto:bhoult@peoplepc.com] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:01 PM To: lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: Re: LRO: 56,000$ Series IIa 88 If you read the ad, you find out that the color choice can be made as late as April 31, 2001. I was going to buy it, but now that I find out that I'll be making a decision on a non-existant date, forget about it. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" On Sat, 14 April 2001, John Cranfield wrote: > > > > Hope Peter wrote: > > > > Yeah, read it right. Some fool is selling an 88 for that much on the LRX. > > Worse still will be the fool that buys it. > > Pete > He might be fool for advertizing it at that price but if some one > actually buys it he won't look so foolish. > John and Muddy ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:23:42 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: VERY nice Ex-MOD 88" looking for new home What's he want for it? >>> ford_p@nettally.com 04/13/01 08:04PM >>> Hello all, Forgive me this indulgence but I am trying to help someone sell a nice SII (or is it a IIa) Ex-MOD 88. The vehicle has had a fair amount of restoration work done. Let me tell you what I know: Vehicle is located in N. Florida. Vehicle has NEVER been titled or registered in the US. Odometer shows about 55k miles (about 52 since restoration). Vehicle is a deep blue color right now. Has had the seats redone nicely and rails moved back to accommodate larger drivers. Has hardtop with pop-up sunroof. Has original unmolested engine. Has a bit of rust showing on one of the front outriggers. Rusty rear cross member has been replaced. Bulkhead has been replaced. Vehicle runs VERY nicely and shifts nicely. Vehicle has good tires and can be driven away. Has pintle hitch on the front bumper. Vehicle does NOT have a perfect body, but IS very nice. Owner bought and restored the vehicle for his 16 year old son 4 years ago. The boy couldn't handle the rover (too much shifting, steering, etc) and so the vehicle has been sitting for 4 years only being started occasionally. I started it today and on full choke, it came to life on the first turn of the key and settled right into a perfect idle. I promised this gentleman I would do all I could to put this nice truck in the hands of an enthusiast. God's honest truth is that if I had the money I would have bought it on the spot. It really is nice. So if you are looking or know someone who is, please contact me privately via E-Mail. I will have pictures available early next week showing all four sides of the truck, the top, and the interior rear and drivers compartment. Owner is asking a VERY fair price. - -Perrone ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:37:32 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa Got it Saturday. Pastel Green. The guy at the counter said to mix in a quart of reducer (mid temp) to make almost 3 quarts of paint. I bought 2 quarts of paint and the one quart of reducer. I need more Bill 'cuz I am painting the interior and exterior surfaces a lighter color than original. Anyway, it started raining Saturday night so I just wiped everything down and closed up the shop until I can get home from work today to start painting. I tested a small area on the breakfast where the original color is and it's a spot on match. I'll post a pix when I get done. >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/14/01 11:40AM >>> I used a little thinner--I think I got mid-temp, but you should get hi-temp thinner (which they only sell by the gallon at said CarQuest--I asked). Hi-temp will thin the paint for the longest time and make it easier to brush w/o having problems with it getting tacky as you go back for stroke #2. The stuff dries QUICKLY. Bill On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:19:08 -0400 "RON WARD" writes: > Did you have to thin that stuff out? Or just paint it on as is? > Thanks, bro > > >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/11/01 11:45PM >>> > Ron, > Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the > paint > code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web). The guys there > are v. > nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel > for > me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with > disposable > foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than > enough > for my 109. > > bill > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:50:51 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... You know, this talk about traffic etiquette and California free-ways reminded me of something I saw Friday afternoon. I was making my way home in the RR when I stopped at a stop sign to cross a very busy street. There should be a stop-light there, but thats another kettle o' fish. Anyway as I waited for my chance the traffic coming from the left would slack up and the traffic coming from the right would be boiling and vice versa. There is no center turn lane, just the two east and two west bound lanes. In the left east-bound lane a woman in a white Chrysler minivan was waiting to turn left across the west bound traffic, down the street I was waiting in. Well, the cars coming at her weren't coming fast enough or something because she started screaming and yelling and cussing and making all sorts of hand gestures making a royal fool out of her redneck self. Finally the traffic slowed and she turned and crossed in front of me and as she drove past me I could make out the! Christian fish symbol on her front license plate AND another on the rear door to her mini van. As a Christian myself, I was proud of her continued efforts to display her Christian beliefs in such a public display...wonder if the Easter bunny visited her house? >>> jimfoo@qwest.net 04/14/01 09:32PM >>> Because they don't want you getting ahead of them. This is the me first, screw you country any more. I heard that someone did some research which showed that people pulling out of a parking space took more time to leave when someone was waiting for it. Go figure. Frank Elson wrote: > > Am I getting this correctly? > Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something on > the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, someone > will stop you doing it? > why? > > Best Cheers > > Frank > +--+--+--+ > I !__| [_]|_\___ > I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV > "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Bieler > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... > > > Now that I am in Los Angeles, I have learned the most effective way to > change > > lanes is a "head fake". If you look in a direction, others will assume > that is > > where you are going and will speed up or slow down to prevent your lane > change. > > Instead, look longingly to one side twice to fool other drivers and > quickly look > > where you WANT to go and turn the wheel. I have also learned just to > close my > > eyes and go for it. > > > > But no matter where I go or what I see, I will always reflect back to the > time I > > saw a women in the #2 lane of the 805 Freeway in San Diego driving North > just > > past Mission Valley in a Brown 1978 Cutless Supreme driving at 65MPH > riding on > > the right front rotor. No tire. No wheel. Just the rotor. Sparks > flying back > > 25~30 feet. Not a cop in site. Light traffic. And she didn't look like > she had > > a care in the world. Just tooling along doing the speed limit. I think > of that > > and all the other idiotic things I see seem to pale just a little. > > > > I love California. It's like watching Cops 24 hours a day. Instant ego > boost. > > When even I feel low or blue or think I just colossally screwed up, I look > around > > me and I realize my life isn't nearly that f**ked after all. I just > think, "Hey, > > at least I'm not on Cops!" > > > > Jeff > > > > Mark Pilkington wrote: > > > > > Do not get me started on the lack of use of the turn signal here in > > > California. In England, we use turn signals on dark country single lane > roads > > > when you are the only car for miles. It is natural and instinctive and > taught > > > in the driving test, (which involves more than backing between two > cones) > > > NO-ONE uses them here. There was a news program on it and motorists > were > > > stopped and asked why they did not use them. The answer was that "if > you use > > > them, you are telling the other motorists what you are going to do, and > so > > > they can cut you off"!!!!!! If you do not use it and just barge out > into the > > > traffic, the theory is that everyone just gets out of the way. That > however > > > assumes that the people you are barging in front of have brains!! > What I > > > have learned to do, which is a necessary mix of both Britain and here > and is > > > needed for survival is indicate, and then barge out anyway. > > > Does anyone want to hear my opinions about "Rolling roadblocks" as > well!? > > > Mark Pilkington > > > > > > "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote: > > > > > > > Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" wrote: > > > > > > > > >Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the > landmass > > > > >for a very good reason! > > > > > > > > Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Had to drive > from > > > > SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral. Apparently, the rental car was > one > > > > of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit > of > > > > optional equipment: > > > > > > > > a turn signal > > > > > > > > I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by > > > > actually *using* it... > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* > > > > | | > > > > | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | > > > > | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | > > > > | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | > > > > |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | > > > > | www.roav.org | > > > > | (original owner) (pre-production) | > > > > *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* > > > > - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:57:11 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: paint and parts I'm about to get started hand painting (I kind of like that feeling of luxurious, hand-crafted quality workmanship I get when I tell someone "why yes, I hand painted my Land Rover") my IIa 88" with Dupont Centauri in Pastel Green. I have seen Bill Rice's 109 painted with the same paint (marine blue) and foam brushes. Looks great and a heck of a lot cheaper than Earl Schibe or Maaco. >>> jjp4@usa.net 04/14/01 10:44PM >>> I would like to get input on painting our beloved vehicles. I will be looking at painting my 109 in the near future and would like to get opinions regarding self (brush) painting and spray (shop) painting. I am interested in problems and quality associated with self painting mostly. I would like to get a good quality job where brush strokes are not an issue. Is this possible with self, brush, painting? Also I am looking for an early IIA door and would like to know if there is one available. Please contact me off list regarding this. Thank you Joe Palecek 65' 109 5-Door Station Wagon (Pokey) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:20:10 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... Yeah, that's why I don't put any religious symbology on my cars--if I'm going to be a hypocrite I figure I don't need to advertise the extent of my hypocricy, nor give a bad name to my belief system in a moment of driving like someone who grew up in NJ (which I did). bill Ron said: Well, the > cars coming at her weren't coming fast enough or something because > she started screaming and yelling and cussing and making all sorts > of hand gestures making a royal fool out of her redneck self. > Finally the traffic slowed and she turned and crossed in front of me > and as she drove past me I could make out the! > Christian fish symbol on her front license plate AND another on the > rear door to her mini van. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:21:53 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: paint and parts I don't know about it looking great, but it certainly looks OK and when you ram something into a tree or rock, it sure is easy to ensure that the finish on the repair looks just like the finish on the rest of the truck (i.e. mediocre). bill On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:57:11 -0400 "RON WARD" writes: > I'm about to get started hand painting (I kind of like that feeling > of luxurious, hand-crafted quality workmanship I get when I tell > someone "why yes, I hand painted my Land Rover") my IIa 88" with > Dupont Centauri in Pastel Green. I have seen Bill Rice's 109 > painted with the same paint (marine blue) and foam brushes. Looks > great and a heck of a lot cheaper than Earl Schibe or Maaco. > > >>> jjp4@usa.net 04/14/01 10:44PM >>> > I would like to get input on painting our beloved vehicles. I will > be looking > at painting my 109 in the near future and would like to get opinions > regarding > self (brush) painting and spray (shop) painting. I am interested in > problems > and quality associated with self painting mostly. I would like to > get a good > quality job where brush strokes are not an issue. Is this possible > with self, > brush, painting? > > Also I am looking for an early IIA door and would like to know if > there is one > available. Please contact me off list regarding this. > > Thank you > > Joe Palecek > 65' 109 5-Door Station Wagon (Pokey) > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:34:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: RE: LRO: People's Republic.... There are really only two solutions to the merging problem. The first is summed up in one of my favorite quotes: "Peace through superior firepower" in other words, a v-8 or similar, in order to put the hammer down out into traffic. The other solution lies in the junker look, or what I refer to as the railroad tie bumper effect: If you drive a junker or have railroad ties bolted on for bumpers, just merge. They'll get out of your way. The problem for me lies in the fact that my daily driver is a 1990 Volvo 740 GL, which would look a bit odd with railroad tie bumpers, and accelerates likea tortoise. Simon CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have received this message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (503) 223-4131, and permanently delete the original and any copy of this message. Simon J. Harding Attorney at Law Schulte Anderson Downes Aronson & Bittner, P.C. 503.223.4131 sharding@schulte-law.com -----Original Message----- From: Hope Peter [SMTP:hope_peter@bah.com] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 7:10 PM To: schultelaw@transport.com; catchall@schulte-law.com; SJH; lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... > >Am I getting this correctly? > > Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something on > >the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, someone > >will stop you doing it? > > They are pulling your leg Frank. > > Actually though, in my part of California a lot of people are using their > turn signals. I don 't think they are pulling anyones leg. That is exactly what happens. If you put on the signal so you can move over to the exit, people in that lane speed up so you can't get over. SWMBO is from LA County and told me before we went there on vacation, warned me about the drivers. In the past couple years I have spent a number of times in LA and San Diego and it is just as has been described here. After the first trip I have learned that I need to rent a big fast vehicle just to survive. The 5 between LA and SD and the Santa Monica Frwy have been the worse. I saw similar agression in San Fransisco, San Jose and Pleasanton. Not so bad in Sacremento or Santa Barbara, and I have always found the drive from Malibu to Ventura to be fun. Pete ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #338 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Mon Apr 16 15:46:00 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3GJk0N04468 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:46:00 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3GIg1207825 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3GIg1807821 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17181 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3GI7OJ19434 for lro-digest-gone; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:07:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:07:24 -0400 Message-Id: <200104161807.f3GI7OJ19434@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #339 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Monday, April 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 339 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:43:44 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa Ron- You may want to consider adding a retarder to slow dry time a bit. might make your painting session a little less harried since you'll be brushing the stuff. - -todd >From: "RON WARD" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:37:32 -0400 > >Got it Saturday. Pastel Green. The guy at the counter said to mix in a >quart of reducer (mid temp) to make almost 3 quarts of paint. I bought 2 >quarts of paint and the one quart of reducer. I need more Bill 'cuz I am >painting the interior and exterior surfaces a lighter color than original. >Anyway, it started raining Saturday night so I just wiped everything down >and closed up the shop until I can get home from work today to start >painting. I tested a small area on the breakfast where the original color >is and it's a spot on match. > >I'll post a pix when I get done. > > >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/14/01 11:40AM >>> >I used a little thinner--I think I got mid-temp, but you should get >hi-temp thinner (which they only sell by the gallon at said CarQuest--I >asked). Hi-temp will thin the paint for the longest time and make it >easier to brush w/o having problems with it getting tacky as you go back >for stroke #2. The stuff dries QUICKLY. > >Bill > >On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:19:08 -0400 "RON WARD" >writes: > > Did you have to thin that stuff out? Or just paint it on as is? > > Thanks, bro > > > > >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/11/01 11:45PM >>> > > Ron, > > Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the > > paint > > code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web). The guys there > > are v. > > nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel > > for > > me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with > > disposable > > foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than > > enough > > for my 109. > > > > bill > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:55:53 EDT From: Gbrovers@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.) In a message dated 4/6/01 12:12:47 AM, paul@adventures.co.za writes: << Global warming is not a proven fact but it is an undisputable fact that > the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere has dramaticly risen since the start > of the industrial revolution and the trend is accelerating. Um, fair point, however it doesn't mean or prove anything. Your sample is tiny (given the history of the Earth), and only spans the era when testing has been possible, so we have no way of knowing whether ozone depletion and warming isn't cyclical, or whether it isn't perhaps declining in the long term (one or two millennia). > The problem with waiting to see what the net result is going to be is > that by the time we know for sure, it may be too late to do much. Environmental eschatology is a growth industry. Since the dawn of human habitation on this planet it's been popular to postulate that we have reached an apocalyptic 'end time', we create myths and fables about our own demise. We even have Chicken Little coining the phrase "The sky's falling!" to fret over our fear of a fiery and sticky comeuppance. Thirty years ago it was nuclear holocaust, today it's CO2 and global warming, what next? Regards Paul Oxley AfricanAdrenalin.com >> Paul I realize that this thread is probably long since dead but I have been out of town for the last couple of weeks at the the T/O and the EJS and wanted to comment on your response. I realize that the composition of the earths atmosphere has changed over time and dramaticly at that. Lets face it, the earth was formed from a batch of intergalactic dust and the atmosphere has gone thru some pretty dramatic changes along with it but these changes have occured in what is frequently referred to as geologic time i.e. tens of thousands of years up to hundreds of millions of years at a time. The difference that is happening now is we are talking about a couple of hundred years. I just think pretending that this isn't going to effect anything is shortsighted at best. I realize that the "Chicken Little" thinking runs rampant but it is usually associated with religious nut cases but also extends into other areas such as conservation issues. I don't personally subscribe to it, I actually believe as a species we will somehow muddle thru but I am pretty sure that in 100 years from now we will look back at this time in history and consider it the dark ages for environmental issues - we know what we are doing to our environment but didn't have the will to change our behavior. On a completely different note, do you have the contact info for the Safari Centre in South Africa? Nice web site BTW. Bill Great Basin Rovers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:53:07 -0700 From: "Lonn & Rhonda" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Steering "clunk" >Was driving the SIIA SWB today and noticed it has developed some sort of > clunking sound in the steering. It seems to only occur when cornering at > speed.... If your shackle bolts aren't tight, it will exhibit the symptom you describe. Lonn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:05:46 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa Retarder? Thought that was what the reducer did, among other things. >>> greylildogs@hotmail.com 04/16/01 10:43AM >>> Ron- You may want to consider adding a retarder to slow dry time a bit. might make your painting session a little less harried since you'll be brushing the stuff. - -todd >From: "RON WARD" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:37:32 -0400 > >Got it Saturday. Pastel Green. The guy at the counter said to mix in a >quart of reducer (mid temp) to make almost 3 quarts of paint. I bought 2 >quarts of paint and the one quart of reducer. I need more Bill 'cuz I am >painting the interior and exterior surfaces a lighter color than original. >Anyway, it started raining Saturday night so I just wiped everything down >and closed up the shop until I can get home from work today to start >painting. I tested a small area on the breakfast where the original color >is and it's a spot on match. > >I'll post a pix when I get done. > > >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/14/01 11:40AM >>> >I used a little thinner--I think I got mid-temp, but you should get >hi-temp thinner (which they only sell by the gallon at said CarQuest--I >asked). Hi-temp will thin the paint for the longest time and make it >easier to brush w/o having problems with it getting tacky as you go back >for stroke #2. The stuff dries QUICKLY. > >Bill > >On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:19:08 -0400 "RON WARD" >writes: > > Did you have to thin that stuff out? Or just paint it on as is? > > Thanks, bro > > > > >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/11/01 11:45PM >>> > > Ron, > > Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the > > paint > > code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web). The guys there > > are v. > > nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel > > for > > me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with > > disposable > > foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than > > enough > > for my 109. > > > > bill > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:11:01 -0400 From: Matt Peckham Subject: RE: LRO: Painting a IIa If you inhale it long enough, yes. - -----Original Message----- From: RON WARD [mailto:ronward@synovustrust.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:06 AM To: lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa Retarder? Thought that was what the reducer did, among other things. >>> greylildogs@hotmail.com 04/16/01 10:43AM >>> Ron- You may want to consider adding a retarder to slow dry time a bit. might make your painting session a little less harried since you'll be brushing the stuff. - -todd >From: "RON WARD" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:37:32 -0400 > >Got it Saturday. Pastel Green. The guy at the counter said to mix in a >quart of reducer (mid temp) to make almost 3 quarts of paint. I bought 2 >quarts of paint and the one quart of reducer. I need more Bill 'cuz I am >painting the interior and exterior surfaces a lighter color than original. >Anyway, it started raining Saturday night so I just wiped everything down >and closed up the shop until I can get home from work today to start >painting. I tested a small area on the breakfast where the original color >is and it's a spot on match. > >I'll post a pix when I get done. > > >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/14/01 11:40AM >>> >I used a little thinner--I think I got mid-temp, but you should get >hi-temp thinner (which they only sell by the gallon at said CarQuest--I >asked). Hi-temp will thin the paint for the longest time and make it >easier to brush w/o having problems with it getting tacky as you go back >for stroke #2. The stuff dries QUICKLY. > >Bill > >On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:19:08 -0400 "RON WARD" >writes: > > Did you have to thin that stuff out? Or just paint it on as is? > > Thanks, bro > > > > >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/11/01 11:45PM >>> > > Ron, > > Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the > > paint > > code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web). The guys there > > are v. > > nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel > > for > > me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with > > disposable > > foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than > > enough > > for my 109. > > > > bill > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:14:20 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: LRO: fuel line fittings Does anyone on the list know the size and thread type of the series fuel line fittings? My dad had a fitch fuel catalyst fitted to his van several months ago after barely squeaking past emmissions. Anyhow, He had it tested afterwards and his emmissions had dropped significantly. He also gets 3 mpg more. I was rather impressed, and I think cleaner combustion can do nothing but help my 2.25, so I'll try one out. Regards, - -todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:09:08 -0400 From: "David G. Russell" Subject: LRO: Scotland--off topic Sorry of the off-topic post. Please reply directly. My family is taking a trip to Scotland in August. We'll be staying near Perth and I have some logistical questions. Thanks in Advance. David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:19:48 EDT From: Gbrovers@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... In a message dated 4/13/01 11:33:08 AM, konacoffee2@hotmail.com writes: << Anybody out there want to investigate making an O/D that they could retail in the neighborhood of a $1,000. Bill at Great Basin, where are you in our hour of need??? I'll take two if you can do it!! >> Peter I'm producing 3.9 diff gears and plan to offer complete remanufactured differentials with the new ratio for $450. $900 for two new diffs compared to $2,000 seems like a good deal to me. I also have a line on a overdrive that comes out of Australia for the Land Cruiser. I am going to inquire with the company about adapting it to the Rover. Shouldn't be to hard considering they are basicly the same design. Best I can do for the time being. Bill Great Basin Rovers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 01 09:34:56 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... >> Actually though, in my part of California a lot of people are using their >> turn signals. > >I don 't think they are pulling anyones leg. That is exactly what happens. >If you put on the signal so you can move over to the exit, people in that >lane speed up so you can't get over. SWMBO is from LA County and told me >before we went there on vacation, warned me about the drivers. In the past >couple years I have spent a number of times in LA and San Diego and it is >just as has been described here. Well, what you are seeing are the results of overpopulation and people so used to competing for fewer resources that courtesy is no longer a factor. Unless people slow our breeding rates down LA is a preview of what the rest of the world will look like before too long. But in my WAY less crowded part of California if you hit your turn signal and the person in the other lane sees it he/she will almost certainly back off to let you over. There is a lot of California North of the Tahapichi mountains. And once you get North of there and away from the SF Bay area, it can be a pretty nice place. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 01 09:34:49 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Weird experience >You're a genius. Before hitting the trails today I took the inspection >cover off the t-case and that darn nut wasn't even finger tight. I took >a chisel to it and in 5 min. I was ready to roll--I love this list! >Still dunno what's wrong w/ my winch but I reckon it probably won't be >needed during the frameover anyway. And the chisel allowed you to torque the nut to the 95 foot pounds specified in the workshop manual? Did you tighten it with a chisel the first time? By the way I thought it was a dynamite arm chair diagnosis. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:34:19 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: 300TDI (ridiculous) prices? > Anyone who'd fork over 8-10 large for a series engine has to have more > money than brains. For that kind of dough, you can get about 450 > American EFI ponies and you won't have to convert to full-time 4wd. > -- After seeing the guy from NY asking 12500 for the engine, I figured I would do some searching. A 300tdi seems to go for around 2000lbs UK. Around 2900$ US at current rates. Add in shipping and it still seems like an awfull lot of money for an engine. Adapter to go to the Series transmission or do you need to fork out for a new transmission and transfer case? Article in a recent LROI on doing the conversion in a 90 makes it seem easy but no idea on the problems for doing the conversion in a Series. and sounds like they don't like the 300tdi with the auto tranny. ECR is pretty good about not quoting any prices for the conversion, just 'we charge x dollars an hour and have the experiance to get it done quickly'. Guess this is one of those, if you have to ask how much, you can't afford it. If not doing the fulltime fwd route, I think it would warrent uprated rear axle shafts, or a salisbury swap. Still sounds like a great engine. Wouldn't mind it in the 110 but still believe the 6.2 will be an easier conversion and cheeper. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:40:36 -0700 From: Wise Owl Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #332 At 05:31 PM 12/04/01, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:55:43 EDT >From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com >Subject: LRO: RE: Hand cranking and engine swaps > > >Has anyone fitted a Coffman starter to a Land Rover engine? > >Paul Donohue >1965 Land Rover 109 >Denver Works great on those cold mornings when the battery is low. Gets the neighbors up too!! Kaboom! Sputter, Sputter, Cough. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:50:38 -0700 From: Wise Owl Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #332 At 05:31 PM 12/04/01, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:57:04 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Tom Rowe" >Subject: LRO: 300TDI...price? > >Greetings. Any of the folks in the UK know about what a new 300tdi sells >for? I mean just >an engine. >Thanks > > >Tom Rowe >Atlanta, GA > >Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck > in places even more inaccessible £2999 (~$4500US) for complete kit with all ancillaries. From Motor and Diesel. They have had the same ad in LR mags for a couple of years now, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 01 10:01:55 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... >As a Christian myself, I was proud of her continued efforts to display her >Christian beliefs in such a public display...wonder if the Easter bunny >visited her house? Maybe she was a traditional Christian. Millions of people have been butchered and brutally tortured by devout Christians in the name of Christ. Much of the time these deaths were handed out by the church itself. So maybe she was preaching a more traditional form of her religion to those ungodly people who would not let her cross? TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:08:02 -0400 From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: Valves "Jim Hall" wrote: >I imagine it is also responsible for #3 & #4 header pipes glowing a dull >orange in the dark? Sloppy valves=exhaust leaking past valve? Right...fuel/air mix is being partially expelled during the compression stroke and is actually combusting in the header rather than within the confines of the cylinder. The machinist I took the head to for resurfacing said I had less than a dozen miles before *catastrophic* failure as a result of the wedge-shaped crack in #4 exhaust. Timing is everything.... ;-) Cheers *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* | | | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | | www.roav.org | | (original owner) (pre-production) | *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:08:03 -0400 From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: S'truth.... SJH wrote: >The other solution lies in the junker look, or >what I refer to as the railroad tie bumper effect: If you drive a junker >or have railroad ties bolted on for bumpers, just merge. They'll get out >of your way. Absolute truth. Good friend from college days (30 years ago) had a three-door (one was welded shut) '55 Chevy - a real lead barge - that his brother paid all of $250 for years before. My friend added a 4 X 12" plank to the front bumper, as he was too, ummm, *thrifty* to even think about junk yard prices for a used bumper. Furthermore, it was painted with whatever spray cans were left around the physics dept. at school - variations on black, mostly. We *never* had a problem merging. "Just chose the most expensive vehicle and pull out..." was his strategy. Worked like a champ.... *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* | | | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | | www.roav.org | | (original owner) (pre-production) | *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:16:39 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: fuel line fittings On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Todd Ondick wrote: :Does anyone on the list know the size and thread type of the series fuel :line fittings? :My dad had a fitch fuel catalyst fitted to his van several months ago after :barely squeaking past emmissions. Anyhow, He had it tested afterwards and Why don't you wrap a bunch of twenties around the fuel line? It will have exactly the same effect on the performance of the vehicle, and when you realize how idiotic the thing is, you can take them off and buy gasoline. Until you see a study done by qualified scientists, not in the employ of who ever makes the thing, that says it actually performs as claimed, it's a fraud. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:23:02 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: front cover oil seal -- here's some direction... Chris, A common SPOT (...that's :"SMART" Previous Owner Trick) is to remove the seal retainer and re-install it on the front side of the cover. I used appropriate size screws/nuts/loctite. This has two distinct advantages: 1. You can now change the front seal by just removing the crank pulley...no need to remove the front cover! 2. The seal will ride on a fresh, un-worn section of the crank, making a better seal. JT/ric - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Oles [mailto:chris_oles@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:13 PM To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO: front cover oil seal -- I need some direction Today I was changing the timing chain and the other bits and decided to replace the oil seal in the front cover while I was in there. Glad I did to because when I was trying to remove the old one, it crumbled to pieces! It was baked onto the cover and after much scraping got it all cleaned up. Then while trying to drift the new seal into place with a block of wood and a mallot, the front cover seal retaining piece popped off of its rivets and the whole assembly came out. Then I found that I was attempting to drift the seal into another bronze-type bushing (left over part from old seal?) and now I'm not sure what I should do. Couple of Q's at this point: 1) Can I drill out the rivet bodies and use small, long screws and bolts with loctite to keep it all together or should I go back with rivets (assuming that I can find some that are long enough), or maybe a new front cover is in order (God, I hope not). 2) Oil seal: The bronze bushing that was left in there; is it possibly part of the old seal (an original style seal maybe...)? If so, then I have to assume that the new replacement seal will fit snug in the hole in the cover against that plate that fell off. Right? The manual isn't super-explicit in this area. Thanks and oh, BTW, this is on a 2.25 for a 70 SIIa 88. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:22:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: religious stuff was: Kalifornia TAW wrote: (I paraphrase): Christianity has caused misery, death, etc... Yikes. Let's apply a little Halon to this brewing flame war before it bursts into flame shall we? Simon (who happens to agree, but then, I'm a non practicing Presbyterian) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:30:54 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Landies in PA for sale http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=579441403 Just saw this, 4 series land rovers for sale in PA. Bid is 5k. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:41:18 -0700 From: "Hoult, Bryan" Subject: RE: LRO: fuel line fittings Man.....you just trashed his dad. I hope he doesn't have a big brother. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" - -----Original Message----- From: David Scheidt [mailto:dscheidt@tumbolia.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:17 AM To: lro@works.team.net Subject: Re: LRO: fuel line fittings On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Todd Ondick wrote: :Does anyone on the list know the size and thread type of the series fuel :line fittings? :My dad had a fitch fuel catalyst fitted to his van several months ago after :barely squeaking past emmissions. Anyhow, He had it tested afterwards and Why don't you wrap a bunch of twenties around the fuel line? It will have exactly the same effect on the performance of the vehicle, and when you realize how idiotic the thing is, you can take them off and buy gasoline. Until you see a study done by qualified scientists, not in the employ of who ever makes the thing, that says it actually performs as claimed, it's a fraud. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:46:13 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: No problems, no troubles, no worries Sounds like a great time Pete. Wish I was there, as I'm sure everybody else does too. It's so refreshing to read a post filled with so much enthusiasm. Reminds us all why we're here. Can't wait to see the pics. Happy trails. Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:58:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Maybe she was a traditional Christian. Traditional in what sense? That would be pre Council of Nicea? > Millions of people have been butchered and brutally tortured by devout > Christians in the name of Christ. Oh, the Christians have no monopoly when it comes to these kinds of things, and many times, religion just serves as a convienent excute to carry our measure aimed at ensuring control, influence, your general power issues... Be interesting to hear a total number for Christianity (an impossibility actually). Ghengis Kahn was quite efficient at disposing of people, and even Stalin made Hitler look a bit amateurish. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:56:53 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.) I don't know the exact figures but there has not been a drastic increase in CO2. There has been an increase, however. We're talking an increase of .0002%, or something like that, percentage increase in C02 in the atmosphere. Is it enough to cause a problem?? Is it caused by civilization or is there some other cause?? There should be an easy way to determine the effect of industrial caused pollution. The world, from 1939 to 1945 was at maximum production with virtually no pollution controls and every incentive to produce energy in the cheapest manner possible and with absolutely no concern for side effects. There was also the effect of breaking things that associates itself with warfare. The increase in pollution should have been dramatic as the world wide depression of the '30s had lowered industrial output to the lowest point in 20 years. There should also have been a measurable change of some sort in weather patterns, if our efforts effect the weather. I'm not aware of a study that has specifically targeted the period from 1940-50. It would seem that if we were looking for some definitive indication of the effect of man made pollution, analysis of the WWII period could provide a lot of answers. Anyone know of a scientific study of this period and, if not, why there hasn't been a massive study?? Aloha Peter O >From: Gbrovers@aol.com >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: lro@Works.Team.Net >Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.) >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:55:53 EDT > > >In a message dated 4/6/01 12:12:47 AM, paul@adventures.co.za writes: > ><< Global warming is not a proven fact but it is an undisputable fact >that > > the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere has dramaticly risen since the >start > > of the industrial revolution and the trend is accelerating. > >Um, fair point, however it doesn't mean or prove anything. Your sample >is tiny (given the history of the Earth), and only spans the era when >testing has been possible, so we have no way of knowing whether ozone >depletion and warming isn't cyclical, or whether it isn't perhaps >declining in the long term (one or two millennia). > > > The problem with waiting to see what the net result is going to be >is > > that by the time we know for sure, it may be too late to do much. > >Environmental eschatology is a growth industry. Since the dawn of human >habitation on this planet it's been popular to postulate that we have >reached an apocalyptic 'end time', we create myths and fables about our >own demise. We even have Chicken Little coining the phrase "The sky's >falling!" to fret over our fear of a fiery and sticky comeuppance. > >Thirty years ago it was nuclear holocaust, today it's CO2 and global >warming, what next? > >Regards > >Paul Oxley >AfricanAdrenalin.com > >> > >Paul > I realize that this thread is probably long since dead but I have been >out of town for the last couple of weeks at the the T/O and the EJS and >wanted to comment on your response. I realize that the composition of the >earths atmosphere has changed over time and dramaticly at that. Lets face >it, >the earth was formed from a batch of intergalactic dust and the atmosphere >has gone thru some pretty dramatic changes along with it but these changes >have occured in what is frequently referred to as geologic time i.e. tens >of >thousands of years up to hundreds of millions of years at a time. The >difference that is happening now is we are talking about a couple of >hundred >years. I just think pretending that this isn't going to effect anything is >shortsighted at best. > I realize that the "Chicken Little" thinking runs rampant but it is >usually associated with religious nut cases but also extends into other >areas >such as conservation issues. I don't personally subscribe to it, I actually >believe as a species we will somehow muddle thru but I am pretty sure that >in >100 years from now we will look back at this time in history and consider >it >the dark ages for environmental issues - we know what we are doing to our >environment but didn't have the will to change our behavior. > On a completely different note, do you have the contact info for the >Safari Centre in South Africa? > Nice web site BTW. > >Bill >Great Basin Rovers _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:56:58 -0700 From: "Hoult, Bryan" Subject: LRO: RE: religious stuff was: Kalifornia Hell, if it was easy being a Christian, why bother. What, with a world full of people to torment I barely have time to work on the Rovers. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" - -----Original Message----- From: SJH [mailto:SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:22 AM To: lro@works.team.net Subject: LRO: religious stuff was: Kalifornia TAW wrote: (I paraphrase): Christianity has caused misery, death, etc... Yikes. Let's apply a little Halon to this brewing flame war before it bursts into flame shall we? Simon (who happens to agree, but then, I'm a non practicing Presbyterian) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:59:18 -0700 From: "Hoult, Bryan" Subject: LRO: RE: Landies in PA for sale I have better crap than that in my back yard, why go to PA? Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" and various pieces that I might have the gall to list on Ebay for $5,000 - if I wasn't a Christian. - -----Original Message----- From: Hope Peter [mailto:hope_peter@bah.com] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:31 PM To: Lro Subject: LRO: Landies in PA for sale http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=579441403 Just saw this, 4 series land rovers for sale in PA. Bid is 5k. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:54:46 -0700 From: Wise Owl Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #333 At 08:12 AM 13/04/01, you wrote: >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:27:42 -0600 >From: Rick Grant >Subject: Re: LRO: RE: DC 3's > > > > >the air. The program was cancelled after two C-47s had been fitted > >with the floats, > >I tried posting on this last night but I suspect that there is some form of >filter in the mailing list that knocks out messages with too many URL's. > >Anyhow, if you go to google.com and put the search term "DC-3" and "floats" >in you will find a bunch of pages with pictures of the DC-3 float >conversion. Plus a page that lists all variants of the DC-3 which >indicates that only one C-47 was converted during the war. That not only >flies in the face of Marin's research but also a vague memory I have of >once seeing a photograph of two float equipped C-47's sitting side by side. > > > > Rick Grant These flew in the Yukon. There is a picture of one in the Whitehorse museum. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:03:56 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: fuel line fittings There was an article in New Scientist a couple of years back about fuel catalysts, magnetic polarisers etc. The conclusion was that wrapping a dead chicken around the fuel line may have as significant an effect (And you can eat the chicken when it's done) David "two legs" wrote > Why don't you wrap a bunch of twenties around the fuel line? It will have > exactly the same effect on the performance of the vehicle, and when you > realize how idiotic the thing is, you can take them off and buy gasoline. > > Until you see a study done by qualified scientists, not in the employ of > who ever makes the thing, that says it actually performs as claimed, it's > a > fraud. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:04:03 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: RE: LRO: People's Republic.... Maybe that's the reason no one ever gives me a problem in my multi tone 109 with military bumperettes that sit at most sedan drivers eye height. People just seem to give me space and I don't even have to brandish any lethal weapons like a turn signal. Got even more respect in my twice rolled, naked 88 riding on parabolics and 235/85/16s. Aloha Peter >From: SJH The other solution lies in the junker look, or what I refer to as the railroad tie bumper effect: If you drive a junker or have railroad ties bolted on for bumpers, just merge. They'll get out >of your way. The problem for me lies in the fact that my daily driver is >a 1990 Volvo 740 GL, which would look a bit odd with railroad tie >bumpers, and accelerates likea tortoise. > >Simon > >CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are >intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or >confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any >attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have >received this message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone >at (503) 223-4131, and permanently delete the original and any copy of >this message. > >Simon J. Harding >Attorney at Law >Schulte Anderson Downes Aronson & Bittner, P.C. >503.223.4131 >sharding@schulte-law.com > > > -----Original Message----- >From: Hope Peter [SMTP:hope_peter@bah.com] >Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 7:10 PM >To: schultelaw@transport.com; catchall@schulte-law.com; SJH; >lro@Works.Team.Net >Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... > > > > > > >Am I getting this correctly? > > > Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something >on > > >the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, >someone > > >will stop you doing it? > > > > They are pulling your leg Frank. > > > > Actually though, in my part of California a lot of people are using >their > > turn signals. > >I don 't think they are pulling anyones leg. That is exactly what >happens. >If you put on the signal so you can move over to the exit, people in that >lane speed up so you can't get over. SWMBO is from LA County and told me >before we went there on vacation, warned me about the drivers. In the >past >couple years I have spent a number of times in LA and San Diego and it is >just as has been described here. After the first trip I have learned >that I >need to rent a big fast vehicle just to survive. The 5 between LA and SD >and the Santa Monica Frwy have been the worse. I saw similar agression >in >San Fransisco, San Jose and Pleasanton. Not so bad in Sacremento or >Santa >Barbara, and I have always found the drive from Malibu to Ventura to be >fun. >Pete > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:06:57 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Landies in PA for sale Looks about $500 worth at most, by the pictures > -----Original Message----- > From: Hope Peter [SMTP:hope_peter@bah.com] > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:31 AM > To: Lro > Subject: LRO: Landies in PA for sale > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=57944140 > 3 > > Just saw this, 4 series land rovers for sale in PA. Bid is 5k. > Pete ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #339 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Mon Apr 16 16:47:28 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3GKlRN04696 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:47:27 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3GJhT210952 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3GJhS810948 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04783 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3GJTtR21665 for lro-gone; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:29:55 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (f37.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.37]) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3GJTqE21660 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:29:52 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:29:43 -0700 Received: from 63.85.29.126 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:29:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [63.85.29.126] From: "Chris Oles" To: lro-digest@works.team.net Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:29:34 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2001 19:29:43.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[968352F0:01C0C6AB] Sender: owner-lro@works.team.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: lro@works.team.net X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi I won't comment on the fuel catalyst (don't want to meet your big brother behind the school at 3 pm!) but to answer the question that was asked, I had good success using 1/4" NPT fittings when installing my aux tank. They seemed to thread on pretty smooth and we'll see if I screwed it up when I finally put some gas in there! Chris 70 SIIa 88 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:14:20 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: LRO: fuel line fittings Does anyone on the list know the size and thread type of the series fuel line fittings? My dad had a fitch fuel catalyst fitted to his van several months ago after barely squeaking past emmissions. Anyhow, He had it tested afterwards and his emmissions had dropped significantly. He also gets 3 mpg more. I was rather impressed, and I think cleaner combustion can do nothing but help my 2.25, so I'll try one out. Regards, - -todd _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Mon Apr 16 23:09:32 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3H39WN05832 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:09:32 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3H25YL24340 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3H25X824335 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28367 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3H1GFa24920 for lro-digest-gone; Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:16:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:16:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200104170116.f3H1GFa24920@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #340 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Monday, April 16 2001 Volume 01 : Number 340 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:09:34 EDT From: NADdMD@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... - --part1_33.13a78656.280c8f5e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/16/01 12:22:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gbrovers@aol.com writes: > . > I also have a line on a overdrive that comes out of Australia for the > Land Cruiser. I am going to inquire with the company about adapting it to > the > Rover. Shouldn't be to hard considering they are basicly the same design. > Best I can do for the time being. > > Bill, If you could swing that, I'd be interested (as long as there are spares for it). I love my Santana, but I use it as 5th/4 OD almost exclusively, because, it's gotta last (no spares AFAIK) Nate - --part1_33.13a78656.280c8f5e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/16/01 12:22:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Gbrovers@aol.com writes:


.
   I also have a line on a overdrive that comes out of Australia for the
Land Cruiser. I am going to inquire with the company about adapting it to
the
Rover. Shouldn't be to hard considering they are basicly the same design.
   Best I can do for the time being.



Bill,

If you could swing that, I'd be interested (as long as there are spares for
it).  I love my Santana, but I use it as 5th/4 OD almost exclusively,
because, it's gotta last (no spares AFAIK)

Nate - --part1_33.13a78656.280c8f5e_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:14:36 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: RE: religious stuff and flame war I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition !!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:19:26 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: Pollution Peter wrote > I don't know the exact figures but there has not been a drastic increase > in > CO2. There has been an increase, however. We're talking an increase of > .0002%, or something like that, percentage increase in C02 in the > atmosphere. Is it enough to cause a problem?? Is it caused by > civilization > or is there some other cause?? > > Isn't there evidence that, but for the invention of the automobile, New York City would have vanished under a pile of horse poop or been washed away by horse pee. I guess this is just another of those things we have to suffer due to progress, as it's still there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:20:18 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: Weird experience Well, not 'zactly. The first time I tightened it I used a breaker bar and Jim's special tool, but it kept slipping out of the nut when I really gorilla'd on it so I don't think I got it terribly tight. Yesterday I just whacked it pretty darn hard w/ a pretty darn hammer and it's pretty darn tight. But yesterday was also the last day that tranny will be driven since my frameover (which includes a tranny replacement) starts this week. bill On Mon, 16 Apr 01 09:34:49 -0700 TeriAnn Wakeman writes: > > And the chisel allowed you to torque the nut to the 95 foot pounds > specified in the workshop manual? Did you tighten it with a chisel > the > first time? > > By the way I thought it was a dynamite arm chair diagnosis. > > TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. > Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing > webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics > and more > > http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:28:42 +0100 From: "Neil Brownlee" Subject: LRO: Re: RE: RE: religious stuff and flame war Nobody expects the Spani.......... - ------------------------------------------------------------- Neil 1978 Land Rover Series III 109" Ex-MOD - 'Harriet' 1997 Land Rover Discovery V8i ES - 'Piglet' - XD9000i, Terrain Master Winch Bumper & Hi-Lift carrier, Bearmach steering/sump guard, Mantec Side Protection Sills, Scorpion Racing +2" suspension lift, De-Carbon Shocks, Southdown Fuel Tank Guard, 235/85 General Grabber MT's, WH Wheelcarriers Diff Guards 1998 Land Rover Freelander - 'Misty' - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Easton Trevor A" To: "'lro@works.team.net'" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: LRO: RE: RE: religious stuff and flame war > I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition !!! > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:43:56 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: fuel line fittings Dave, read my post again. calm yourself. read again. get it yet? try once more. No good, eh? well here goes again. Nitric Oxide, Hydrocarbons, and CO emmissions all down by at least 30%. Fuel consumption down 9%. This was on paper, using MODOT's brand spankin' new emissions test equipment. OK, so the sample size is low. You could ask my dad's buddies who recommended it to him, they had similar results. Or his mechanic, who has one on his truck (for 2 years). Not convinced? The mfr. has farmed out testing to several independant labs in addition to the USDE oak ridge national laboratory just in case someone came along calling their product snake oil. or was simply curious. What else can I say? Adding this device to a gasoline powered vehicle improves its efficiency. don't believe me, then don't buy it. But please, in lieu of spouting off the next time you don't understand something, just ask. Or better yet, just shut yer pie hole 'til someone w/ a dollop of self control does. - -todd BTW- tried the twenties around the fuel line trick and it din't do jack. I don't get it. >Why don't you wrap a bunch of twenties around the fuel line? It will have >exactly the same effect on the performance of the vehicle, and when you >realize how idiotic the thing is, you can take them off and buy gasoline. >Until you see a study done by qualified scientists, not in the employ of >who ever makes the thing, that says it actually performs as claimed, it's a >fraud. > >-- >dscheidt@tumbolia.com >Bipedalism is only a fad. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:21:15 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... > issues... Be interesting to hear a total number for Christianity > (an > impossibility actually). Ghengis Kahn was quite efficient at > disposing of > people, and even Stalin made Hitler look a bit amateurish. Yes, and can we analyze protestants and Catholics separately--I think that might lower the body count considerably. And let's not forget Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Augusto Pinochet and a few others. I'm with whoever's e-mail this is I'm responding to--people are basically evil and are just looking for an excuse to go butcher or otherwise oppress other people. How else can you explain all of the above (not to mention the Stanford Prison experiment)? So let's not blame any particular religion (or the lack thereof)--those usually amount to nothing more than rationalizations for death, which folks seem to have moved beyond needing these days. bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:49:37 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: RE: LRO: fuel line fittings On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Hoult, Bryan wrote: :Man.....you just trashed his dad. I hope he doesn't have a big brother. : My big brother is an organic chemist. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:04:18 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa reducer is just fancy paint thinner that allows it to be sprayed (or brushed). the different temp ranges allow some controlling of evaporation rate w/ respect to temp. retarder retards the curing of the enamel itself. It simply allows more flow-out of the paint to help heal application blemishes... like possible brush marks? However, I'm not sure if it's only for use w/ a hardener, so it may not be of benefit. And yes it will make you retarded, among other things, if you breathe it... - -todd >Retarder? Thought that was what the reducer did, among other things. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:06:44 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: RE: religious stuff and flame war >From: Easton Trevor A >I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition !!! > > Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!! Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:18:57 -0700 From: "Hoult, Bryan" Subject: RE: LRO: fuel line fittings Yeah, well.....that and two bits won't get you a water injection system, or the 100 mpg carburetor that the oil industry "doesn't want you to know about". Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" - -----Original Message----- From: David Scheidt [mailto:dscheidt@tumbolia.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:50 AM To: 'lro@works.team.net' Subject: RE: LRO: fuel line fittings On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Hoult, Bryan wrote: :Man.....you just trashed his dad. I hope he doesn't have a big brother. : My big brother is an organic chemist. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:29:34 From: "Chris Oles" Subject: [none] I won't comment on the fuel catalyst (don't want to meet your big brother behind the school at 3 pm!) but to answer the question that was asked, I had good success using 1/4" NPT fittings when installing my aux tank. They seemed to thread on pretty smooth and we'll see if I screwed it up when I finally put some gas in there! Chris 70 SIIa 88 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:14:20 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: LRO: fuel line fittings Does anyone on the list know the size and thread type of the series fuel line fittings? My dad had a fitch fuel catalyst fitted to his van several months ago after barely squeaking past emmissions. Anyhow, He had it tested afterwards and his emmissions had dropped significantly. He also gets 3 mpg more. I was rather impressed, and I think cleaner combustion can do nothing but help my 2.25, so I'll try one out. Regards, - - -todd _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:44:30 -0600 From: "Tim Czajka" Subject: LRO: Re: Weird experience Bill Rice wrote: >The first time I tightened it I used a breaker bar >and Jim's special tool > I had a loose mainshaft nut and it caused all kinds of problems - transmission kept popping out of gear etc. Apparently it allowed the output gear to slide back and forth. This popped the tranny out of gear when changing throttle from power to coast. Finally one day I lost all power. The tranny mainshaft output gear had slid right off and down into the tcase pan. Fortunately it didn't get caught in the revolving tcase gears or crunch! So what did I do? I put it back on and wrenched down on that nut. Three weeks later that damn output gear was back in the tcase pan. Two in the morning at the south end of Horsetooth reservoir. Pitch black night. Fortunately I already knew the drill. Covered in gear oil and dirt, with the aid of a flashlight loaned by one of Fort Collins finest, I managed to get things put back together and limp home. You can bet I loaded on the locktite after that. No problems since. Tim Czajka 1972 Series III 88 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 01 13:08:24 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Weird experience >So what did I do? I put it back on and wrenched down on that >nut. Three weeks later that damn output gear was back in the >tcase pan. Did you use the keyed lock tab washer that is supposed to keep the nut from rotating?? TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:32:36 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: LRO: Re: fuel line fittings Thanks so much. BTW- my brother refuses to scrap over issues backed by empirical data. Just don't go spouting off how global warming is a ruse and you'll be O.K. He gets rather testy over the inferential. - -todd >From: "Chris Oles" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: lro-digest@Works.Team.Net >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:29:34 > >I won't comment on the fuel catalyst (don't want to meet your big brother >behind the school at 3 pm!) but to answer the question that was asked, I >had >good success using 1/4" NPT fittings when installing my aux tank. They >seemed to thread on pretty smooth and we'll see if I screwed it up when I >finally put some gas in there! > >Chris >70 SIIa 88 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:45:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: RE: Re: RE: RE: religious stuff and flam Guys, watch out or I'll make ya sit in the comfy chair. Simon -----Original Message----- From: Neil Brownlee [SMTP:metalthrasher@metalthrasher.screaming.net] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:29 PM To: schultelaw@transport.com; catchall@schulte-law.com; SJH; lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: LRO: Re: RE: RE: religious stuff and flame war Nobody expects the Spani.......... ------------------------------------------------------------- Neil 1978 Land Rover Series III 109" Ex-MOD - 'Harriet' 1997 Land Rover Discovery V8i ES - 'Piglet' - XD9000i, Terrain Master Winch Bumper & Hi-Lift carrier, Bearmach steering/sump guard, Mantec Side Protection Sills, Scorpion Racing +2" suspension lift, De-Carbon Shocks, Southdown Fuel Tank Guard, 235/85 General Grabber MT's, WH Wheelcarriers Diff Guards 1998 Land Rover Freelander - 'Misty' ----- Original Message ----- From: "Easton Trevor A" To: "'lro@works.team.net'" Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:14 PM Subject: LRO: RE: RE: religious stuff and flame war > I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition !!! > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:00:13 -0700 From: "Hoult, Bryan" Subject: LRO: RE: Re: fuel line fittings Funny thing about big brothers....if they're big enough, the inferential might as well be the empirical. All silliness aside, good luck with the catalyst gizmo. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" - -----Original Message----- From: Todd Ondick [mailto:greylildogs@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:33 PM To: lro@works.team.net Subject: LRO: Re: fuel line fittings Thanks so much. BTW- my brother refuses to scrap over issues backed by empirical data. Just don't go spouting off how global warming is a ruse and you'll be O.K. He gets rather testy over the inferential. - -todd >From: "Chris Oles" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: lro-digest@Works.Team.Net >Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 19:29:34 > >I won't comment on the fuel catalyst (don't want to meet your big brother >behind the school at 3 pm!) but to answer the question that was asked, I >had >good success using 1/4" NPT fittings when installing my aux tank. They >seemed to thread on pretty smooth and we'll see if I screwed it up when I >finally put some gas in there! > >Chris >70 SIIa 88 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:12:47 +0200 From: Paul Oxley Subject: Re: LRO: Re: 300TDI (ridiculous) prices? Hope Peter wrote: > A 300tdi seems to go for around 2000lbs UK. Around > 2900$ US at current rates. Add in shipping and it still seems like an > awfull lot of money for an engine. Ahem! I didn't want to throw this in the mix (we had a 9 month flamefest on the za-lro about it), but perhaps you should be aware that the engine in question is becoming known as the "TDie". Read some of the reports on http://landyonline.co.za/issues/tdi_longevity.htm before you even consider this engine. Regards Paul (there, I feel better now) Oxley AfricanAdrenalin.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:48:38 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... it's changed for the worse then since I drove up from LA to Oregon when I worked in the States - mind you, that was in 1972... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Hope Peter To: Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 6:09 AM Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... > > > >Am I getting this correctly? > > > Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something on > > >the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, someone > > >will stop you doing it? > > > > They are pulling your leg Frank. > > > > Actually though, in my part of California a lot of people are using their > > turn signals. > > I don 't think they are pulling anyones leg. That is exactly what happens. > If you put on the signal so you can move over to the exit, people in that > lane speed up so you can't get over. SWMBO is from LA County and told me > before we went there on vacation, warned me about the drivers. In the past > couple years I have spent a number of times in LA and San Diego and it is > just as has been described here. After the first trip I have learned that I > need to rent a big fast vehicle just to survive. The 5 between LA and SD > and the Santa Monica Frwy have been the worse. I saw similar agression in > San Fransisco, San Jose and Pleasanton. Not so bad in Sacremento or Santa > Barbara, and I have always found the drive from Malibu to Ventura to be fun. > Pete > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:29:35 -0700 From: "Ben Mitchell" Subject: LRO: RE: RE: Re: RE: RE: religious stuff and flam Ni! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 01 14:48:11 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: LRO: Trans output nut tool With the recent list threads of loose transmission output gears caused by a loose nut and the chisel and hammer method of torquing the nut down, I thought I would pass on the results of some recent product research I did. The Factory workshop manual specifies that the nut is to be torqued down to 95 foot pounds. I just purchased a special tool for torquing down that nut. I looked at the offerings of both Rovers North and British Pacific before making my purchase decision. Both offerings are aftermarket tools as the genuine Churchill tools have been NLA for a long time. The British Pacific tool costs $59. It is machined out of a single piece of steel. It has a hex cap machined at the rear that takes a 7/8ths socket. It is spaced so that a torque wrench with a 7/8ths socket will fit nicely out the rear of the transfer case. The tool has four legs to fit between four of the slots in the nut. The Rover's North tool (RNT0002) costs $35 plus $5.00 for the short removable bar handle. It is cylindrical with small legs for each of the nut's indentations. It has a hole that runs transversely through the tool near the rear end. The bar handle is fairly short (about a foot?). There is no way to attach a torque wrench to the Rover's North tool. You are supposed to insert the bar into the transverse hole near the end of the tool and exert enough pressure to tighten the nut. The Land Rover workshop manual states that the nut is supposed to be torqued down to 95 foot pounds of torque. Looking at the short bar handle I wasn't sure how that could be accomplished so I sent RN an e-mail and asked. The reply stated: "The tool we supply (RNT0002) is designed for the D.I.Y. mechanic, many of which do not possess torque wrenches." Which of course did not answer my question of how one uses the tool to achieve 95 foot pounds of torque. However the reply did go on to state that RN does rent a nut tightening tool that will allow you to use a torque wrench. "The cost of rental is $25.00 for the first two weeks and $25.00 per week after that. The deposit is $150.00." Plus the renter pays shipping both ways. Since I did not want to risk a loose output gear, I purchased my tool from British Pacific. If I was not in a hurry I would have considered renting the proper tool from RN (The nut was properly torqued within 5 minutes of opening the package). There is no way I would consider paying for a tool that could not allow me achieve the Factory specified torque on the nut. The Rover's North two week rental period just about takes all the surface UPS shipping time between the East and West coasts. So if you are on the West coast you would either need to pay additional UPS shipping charges or get the tool back to UPS the day after it arrives to avoid an extra $25 rental fee. Bottom line is 95 foot pounds plus a new lock tab washer prevents a large number of gearbox/transfer case symptoms (loud whine, popping out of gears, etc.). And it takes a special tool to achieve the factory specified torque. Rover's North rents a tool that will do the job, British Pacific sells a tool that will do the job. So there is no excuse for not doing it correctly. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:27:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: metal fuel line question- copper Is there a reason to avoid using copper for fuel line assuming it can be adequately supported (given its softness)? I was mulling this over the other day when thinking of ways to make fuel delivery more efficient in my 109SW, which presently has a rubber line. I've plumbed in a fuel return line and I keep it closed off most of the time to avoid fuel starvation issues, and when starting a hot engine, I'll open this line in the event of a v-lock, in order to clear it. But I'd like to avoid vapor lock altogether and have a theory that the less resitance the pump is meeting, the better. Thus, the metal line, which I think was original (have to admit I've not checked), and which I think will be smoother inside and allow more efficient flow of fuel. If it locks this summer, I may try an electric pump - as I've tried everything else! Simon - wants to avoid vapor lock this summer at all costs short of an electric pump - Harding ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:12:25 -0600 From: "Tim Czajka" Subject: LRO: Re: Weird experience TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: >Did you use the keyed lock tab washer that is supposed to keep the nut from >rotating?? > That would have been too smart:) Actually it only had a normal washer but the nut was of the nylon locking variety. As I learned apparently worn - locktite fixed that. I plan on removing the tcase soon and will add some sort of locking washer - thanks. Tim Czajka 1972 Series III 88 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 01 15:19:13 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: metal fuel line question- copper >Is there a reason to avoid using copper for fuel line assuming it can be >adequately supported (given its softness)? It does fatique really easily. You could be in real deep do do on a wash baord road. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:15:29 -0700 From: "Hoult, Bryan" Subject: LRO: RE: metal fuel line question- copper Simon, Did you rebuild/replace the fuel pump at some point? Bryan - -----Original Message----- From: SJH [mailto:SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 2:27 PM To: lro@works.team.net Subject: LRO: metal fuel line question- copper Is there a reason to avoid using copper for fuel line assuming it can be adequately supported (given its softness)? I was mulling this over the other day when thinking of ways to make fuel delivery more efficient in my 109SW, which presently has a rubber line. I've plumbed in a fuel return line and I keep it closed off most of the time to avoid fuel starvation issues, and when starting a hot engine, I'll open this line in the event of a v-lock, in order to clear it. But I'd like to avoid vapor lock altogether and have a theory that the less resitance the pump is meeting, the better. Thus, the metal line, which I think was original (have to admit I've not checked), and which I think will be smoother inside and allow more efficient flow of fuel. If it locks this summer, I may try an electric pump - as I've tried everything else! Simon - wants to avoid vapor lock this summer at all costs short of an electric pump - Harding ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:44:24 EDT From: HeirPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Landies in PA for sale - --part1_7d.13dff986.280ccfc8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/16/01 2:09:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, trevor_easton@dofasco.ca writes: > Looks about $500 worth at most, by the pictures > > That blue one that hinges in the middle is worth a good $50 all by itself . Tony ANTHONY D. MILLER & Co. ~ The Tintype Artist ~ Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes 34 Perryfalls Place Baltimore, Maryland 21236 410-256-7442 www.tintype-artist.com - --part1_7d.13dff986.280ccfc8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/16/01 2:09:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
trevor_easton@dofasco.ca writes:


Looks about $500 worth at most, by the pictures



That blue one that hinges in the middle is worth a good $50 all by itself <g>.

Tony

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       ~ The Tintype Artist ~
     Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes
          34 Perryfalls Place
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- --part1_7d.13dff986.280ccfc8_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:13:30 -0500 From: Vel Natarajan Subject: Re: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium These disclaimers seem to becoming a popular thing used by lawyers or legal departments in larger corporations. I first saw this a year or 2 ago in mails sent by a friend of mine who is a lawyer. I just recently had to have some of my team members start using a similar disclaimer in their emails to one of our vendors after I talked to our legal team about sending proprietary info outside of the company. It's just meant to cover your butt and probably doesn't cover a number of situations. If the legal department finds out that the mail is being sent internationally, and/or through a list-server, then I have a feeling that the disclaimer is going to get longer-and-longer to cover every single possible situation. (eg: a 1 sentence email followed by a 1 megabyte disclaimer). Though that wouldn't surprise me. Such is life in the US. On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:46:43AM +0100, Steve Mace wrote: > So.... the fact that you (in this example) accidentally send an email to the > wrong address means that I'm several dollars out of pocket :-( > > Does this sort of disclaimer actually have any legal bearing at all if it means > that the recipient must pay for your (in this example) mistakes? If someone > sends you a postal letter, which has your address on the front but it's actually > intended for someone else do you legally have to a) phone up the sender and > then b) burn the letter? I think not! > > Also... does it have any cross-border legality e.g. US to UK? In fact, > presumably the LRO list server has already broken the law (if it is illegal of > course - debatable) by duplicating the message several hundred times and > then sending it on. > > Just curious... Just asking questions.... Just going to put the kettle on.. :-) > > On 10 Apr 2001, at 9:09, SJH wrote: > > > No. > > Steve > > 1972 SIII LtWt Green > 1993 D90 Red > ------------------------------------- > Name: Dr Steve Mace > E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk > www: http://www.solwise.co.uk > Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate) > Fax: 0845 458 4559 > Intl. Fax. +44 1482 621877 > ------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:13:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: RN, was little rubber bumper doo-hickys: Found by RN, these are still a Land Rover part, thanks to a little above and beyond the call of duty digging by Arthur. Part of the County interior which is apparently what my 109 was fitted out with. A touch rare as SIII 109s were not imported (per RN staff, ok?). Over the weekend I started removing the seat mount brackets (rusty. Were these galvanized originally?) and found myself thinking of powdercoating them, the front seat frames and the "grab handle" behind the front row of seats. The bolts I removed before giving up were all removed by breakage. Mr. Angle Grinder will remove the rest of them. Looking at my knuckles I ask myself why? Because the bolts will only get rustier, and a guy has to get out of the house I guess..... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:25:06 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Weird experience Well, Jim made revision 2A of the nut tool, which fits much better, so we can properly torque it when reinstalling the OD. William J. Rice wrote: > > Well, not 'zactly. The first time I tightened it I used a breaker bar > and Jim's special tool, but it kept slipping out of the nut when I really > gorilla'd on it so I don't think I got it terribly tight. Yesterday I > just whacked it pretty darn hard w/ a pretty darn hammer and it's pretty > darn tight. But yesterday was also the last day that tranny will be > driven since my frameover (which includes a tranny replacement) starts > this week. - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:09:11 -0800 From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Landies in PA for sale Those things have been sittin on that hillside rotting for years. I remember a local Pittsburgh guy tried to buy them from him 4 or 5 yrs ago and the nut wanted something like $10k for the bunch. It's a collection of parts that you could probably hack together into a rover or two after you bought a couple of frames and bulkheads. The whole mess is probably worth $1k total at the most. >In a message dated 4/16/01 2:09:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >trevor_easton@dofasco.ca writes: >That blue one that hinges in the middle is worth a good $50 all by itself >. > >Tony > > ANTHONY D. MILLER & Co. > ~ The Tintype Artist ~ > Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes > 34 Perryfalls Place > Baltimore, Maryland 21236 > 410-256-7442 > www.tintype-artist.com > Russ and Leslie Wilson "Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." - --Ronald Reagan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:17:45 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: religious stuff was: Kalifornia No need for a flame war, people. Don't you think it's funny how something like bad traffic can bring an ordinary person (regardless of religious affiliation) to the brink of physical violence? Human nature...you can't make this stuff up. >>> SHARDING@SCHULTE-LAW.COM 04/16/01 01:22PM >>> TAW wrote: (I paraphrase): Christianity has caused misery, death, etc... Yikes. Let's apply a little Halon to this brewing flame war before it bursts into flame shall we? Simon (who happens to agree, but then, I'm a non practicing Presbyterian) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:24:40 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa You mean more retarded, right? >>> greylildogs@hotmail.com 04/16/01 03:04PM >>> reducer is just fancy paint thinner that allows it to be sprayed (or brushed). the different temp ranges allow some controlling of evaporation rate w/ respect to temp. retarder retards the curing of the enamel itself. It simply allows more flow-out of the paint to help heal application blemishes... like possible brush marks? However, I'm not sure if it's only for use w/ a hardener, so it may not be of benefit. And yes it will make you retarded, among other things, if you breathe it... - -todd >Retarder? Thought that was what the reducer did, among other things. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 01 17:48:19 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Weird experience >TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: >>Did you use the keyed lock tab washer that is supposed to keep the nut from >>rotating?? >> >That would have been too smart:) Actually it only had a >normal washer but the nut was of the nylon locking variety. >As I learned apparently worn - locktite fixed that. I plan >on removing the tcase soon and will add some sort of locking >washer - thanks. > Golly there is supposed to be a keyed flat washer followed by a foldie down keyed flat washer followed by a special nut with a bunch of notches. You take the special tool (You can rent one from Rovers North or buy one from British Pacific) and torque the special nut down to 95 foot pounds pressure then crimp the foldie down keyed washer down into the nut's notches to keep this nut firmly in place. At 95 foot pounds the output gear is not going to wobble and with the nut locked down the gear will not go off visiting. Of course I do have one problem with the story that someone told about the output gear falling off onto the bottom of the transfer case. There is a rear plate with a bearing that supports the rear of the shaft. All the output gear can do is wonder around on the shaft. If it can fall down the gear is the least of your problems. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:15:44 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Trans output nut tool If you need something quickly, especially if its a small item, try priority mail rather than UPS. Its way cheaper than UPS 2nd day air yet usually takes the same time to get out here to the Islands. Probably more expensive than UPS ground (not available to the Islands) but will get you quick delivery. Make who ever is taking the order knows that you want priority mail. Like repeat it about 10 times because if the order guy screws up and sends it normal mail, it can take months. Aloha Peter >From: TeriAnn Wakeman >However the reply did go on to state that RN does rent a nut tightening >tool that will allow you to use a torque wrench. > >"The cost of rental is $25.00 for the first two weeks > and $25.00 per week after that. The deposit is $150.00." >The Rover's North two week rental period just about takes all the surface >UPS shipping time between the East and West coasts. So if you are on >the West coast you would either need to pay additional UPS shipping >charges or get the tool back to UPS the day after it arrives to avoid an >extra $25 rental fee. >TeriAnn > http://www.overlander.net > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #340 **********************************************