From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Sun Apr 15 18:01:26 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3FM1PN00667 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 18:01:25 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3FKvPx04749 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3FKvO804746 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06997 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3FKMic08316 for lro-digest-gone; Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:22:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:22:44 -0400 Message-Id: <200104152022.f3FKMic08316@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #337 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Sunday, April 15 2001 Volume 01 : Number 337 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:29:09 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics bill wrote: < BETTER than he was before . . .<<< oh but we are, we are... depends on your understanding of BETTER tho' Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:53:41 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... Am I getting this correctly? Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something on the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, someone will stop you doing it? why? Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Bieler To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:00 PM Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... > Now that I am in Los Angeles, I have learned the most effective way to change > lanes is a "head fake". If you look in a direction, others will assume that is > where you are going and will speed up or slow down to prevent your lane change. > Instead, look longingly to one side twice to fool other drivers and quickly look > where you WANT to go and turn the wheel. I have also learned just to close my > eyes and go for it. > > But no matter where I go or what I see, I will always reflect back to the time I > saw a women in the #2 lane of the 805 Freeway in San Diego driving North just > past Mission Valley in a Brown 1978 Cutless Supreme driving at 65MPH riding on > the right front rotor. No tire. No wheel. Just the rotor. Sparks flying back > 25~30 feet. Not a cop in site. Light traffic. And she didn't look like she had > a care in the world. Just tooling along doing the speed limit. I think of that > and all the other idiotic things I see seem to pale just a little. > > I love California. It's like watching Cops 24 hours a day. Instant ego boost. > When even I feel low or blue or think I just colossally screwed up, I look around > me and I realize my life isn't nearly that f**ked after all. I just think, "Hey, > at least I'm not on Cops!" > > Jeff > > Mark Pilkington wrote: > > > Do not get me started on the lack of use of the turn signal here in > > California. In England, we use turn signals on dark country single lane roads > > when you are the only car for miles. It is natural and instinctive and taught > > in the driving test, (which involves more than backing between two cones) > > NO-ONE uses them here. There was a news program on it and motorists were > > stopped and asked why they did not use them. The answer was that "if you use > > them, you are telling the other motorists what you are going to do, and so > > they can cut you off"!!!!!! If you do not use it and just barge out into the > > traffic, the theory is that everyone just gets out of the way. That however > > assumes that the people you are barging in front of have brains!! What I > > have learned to do, which is a necessary mix of both Britain and here and is > > needed for survival is indicate, and then barge out anyway. > > Does anyone want to hear my opinions about "Rolling roadblocks" as well!? > > Mark Pilkington > > > > "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote: > > > > > Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" wrote: > > > > > > >Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass > > > >for a very good reason! > > > > > > Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Had to drive from > > > SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral. Apparently, the rental car was one > > > of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit of > > > optional equipment: > > > > > > a turn signal > > > > > > I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by > > > actually *using* it... > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* > > > | | > > > | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | > > > | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | > > > | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | > > > |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | > > > | www.roav.org | > > > | (original owner) (pre-production) | > > > *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:01:47 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Brit TV A few of you have said you don't like 'Game Shows' - well neither do I, what I do like are trivia quiz shows which enable me to show off my wide ranging knowledge... (Pub quizzes are also very popular in the UK, my friends and I often take their money) However, here's one for Macka - a guy was just asked: 'Wellington is the capital of which country?' and he didn't know... If it makes you feel any better he didn't know the more popular name for a 'clavicle' either.... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Faure, Marin To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:18 PM Subject: LRO: Re: Bionics > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:27:28 -0600 > From: "The Stockdales" > Subject: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics > > >My name is Mitch and I'm a hybrid....In this new millennium > I fear that we the non factoryhybrids will be looked on with > suspicion, perhaps fear. We will be banishedto an Island where > we will live among other hybrids. We are the children of > a new world. > > I don't think you'll be banished. But as a hybrid you won't be > allowed to compete in any of the "Human" categories at the > Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance or whatever they call it. > Like a Bugatti with a Corvette engine, you will be allowed no > farther than the parking lot, where you can only peer > through the fence at the stock humans as they parade their > stuff in front of the judges. > ___________________________ > C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:33:21 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Tropical Top Tony wrote: << front seats only like a pickup cab << there's quite a few of these (probably different manufacturer of course) in the UK now. I've been in a lot and if you take the time to lace them up properly they're warm as toast. Really really comfortable. One friend had a hard truck cab top to swap in Winter and ended up selling it cos there was no need. they look nice as well. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:05:24 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Overdrives On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Peter Ogilvie wrote: :TAW seems to think the Faerie is good for a 50-60 thousand miles. Has :anybody got a lot more miles on their Faerey?? How does that compare with a :trouble free life for the Toro and Santana, if anyone has gone more than :50-60 thousand on the Toro and Santana. I did about 75k on the Fairey in Mr. Sinclair. The PO did about 5 or 10 K on it, and bought it used. It was getting a bit loud before I sold the truck. I'd made a habit of changing the OD oil at every engine oil change. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:25:58 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Brit TV On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Frank Elson wrote: : If it makes you feel any better he didn't know the more popular name for a :'clavicle' either.... My mind is failing, clearly. It took me a minute to realize what a clavicle is. And I've broken one! Piece of advice: if you get a cahnce to break one of yours, pass. David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:32:16 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... Because they don't want you getting ahead of them. This is the me first, screw you country any more. I heard that someone did some research which showed that people pulling out of a parking space took more time to leave when someone was waiting for it. Go figure. Frank Elson wrote: > > Am I getting this correctly? > Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something on > the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, someone > will stop you doing it? > why? > > Best Cheers > > Frank > +--+--+--+ > I !__| [_]|_\___ > I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV > "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Bieler > To: > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:00 PM > Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... > > > Now that I am in Los Angeles, I have learned the most effective way to > change > > lanes is a "head fake". If you look in a direction, others will assume > that is > > where you are going and will speed up or slow down to prevent your lane > change. > > Instead, look longingly to one side twice to fool other drivers and > quickly look > > where you WANT to go and turn the wheel. I have also learned just to > close my > > eyes and go for it. > > > > But no matter where I go or what I see, I will always reflect back to the > time I > > saw a women in the #2 lane of the 805 Freeway in San Diego driving North > just > > past Mission Valley in a Brown 1978 Cutless Supreme driving at 65MPH > riding on > > the right front rotor. No tire. No wheel. Just the rotor. Sparks > flying back > > 25~30 feet. Not a cop in site. Light traffic. And she didn't look like > she had > > a care in the world. Just tooling along doing the speed limit. I think > of that > > and all the other idiotic things I see seem to pale just a little. > > > > I love California. It's like watching Cops 24 hours a day. Instant ego > boost. > > When even I feel low or blue or think I just colossally screwed up, I look > around > > me and I realize my life isn't nearly that f**ked after all. I just > think, "Hey, > > at least I'm not on Cops!" > > > > Jeff > > > > Mark Pilkington wrote: > > > > > Do not get me started on the lack of use of the turn signal here in > > > California. In England, we use turn signals on dark country single lane > roads > > > when you are the only car for miles. It is natural and instinctive and > taught > > > in the driving test, (which involves more than backing between two > cones) > > > NO-ONE uses them here. There was a news program on it and motorists > were > > > stopped and asked why they did not use them. The answer was that "if > you use > > > them, you are telling the other motorists what you are going to do, and > so > > > they can cut you off"!!!!!! If you do not use it and just barge out > into the > > > traffic, the theory is that everyone just gets out of the way. That > however > > > assumes that the people you are barging in front of have brains!! > What I > > > have learned to do, which is a necessary mix of both Britain and here > and is > > > needed for survival is indicate, and then barge out anyway. > > > Does anyone want to hear my opinions about "Rolling roadblocks" as > well!? > > > Mark Pilkington > > > > > > "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote: > > > > > > > Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" wrote: > > > > > > > > >Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the > landmass > > > > >for a very good reason! > > > > > > > > Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Had to drive > from > > > > SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral. Apparently, the rental car was > one > > > > of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit > of > > > > optional equipment: > > > > > > > > a turn signal > > > > > > > > I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by > > > > actually *using* it... > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* > > > > | | > > > > | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | > > > > | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | > > > > | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | > > > > |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | > > > > | www.roav.org | > > > > | (original owner) (pre-production) | > > > > *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* > > > > - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:51:02 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jim Hall wrote: :Because they don't want you getting ahead of them. This is the me first, :screw you country any more. I heard that someone did some research which :showed that people pulling out of a parking space took more time to :leave when someone was waiting for it. Go figure. : Of course, there are tossers who will wait for a parking space, even if there's one twenty feet away. I had something like that happen to me the other day. I went to fetch something out of my car. Someone cruising looking for the closest space saw me get in, and waited. And waited. For about five minutes, until I found the thing I was trying to find in the glove box, and got out. They gave me a dirty look, like I'd wasted their time or something. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:31:53 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: Overdrives My Toro probably had about 60-70k on it. It just died--won't go into overdrive anymore tho' the "overdrive off" part still works. Jim Hall has it at the moment and is attempting to cannibalize it and another used one I bought to create one working one. So the Toro's no wonder-overdrive, for sure. bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:40:23 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: Weird experience Took the roof off today and went off-roading. Came to a squirrely spot in 2nd low. Lifted a wheel and didn't make it. Coasted back a bit and tried for another go. Truck wouldn't move--clutch slipping. Decided to winch forward. Winch not working. Decide to pop bonnet and see if winch connections are good. Bonnet won't open b/c I imagine the bulkhead (roof off, remember?) was leaning back a tad too far to allow it to release. Decide to use hi-lift and cables and chains and straps to try to pull her back. No dice. Some quad-riders come along. We try to push it but it sounds like something in the drivetrain is preventing the truck's movement (this is w/ clutch in AND the tranny in neutral). Eventually I put the t-case in neutral and back she went. Any shifting at all was incredibly difficult and required the rocking of the truck. Once she was back down we tried to drive it. No dice in any of the gears, BUT if I put the gearbox in neutral and the t-case in low and then let the clutch out she'd move forward like she was in 1 low. So I figure I'll limp back to pavement like that then get a tow home to my spare tranny and my new frame (which I was going to start installing next weekend anyway). But I hop in, put her in neutral (my new first gear) and she won't go anywhere! Neutral has become neutral again. Gearbox works fine for the rest of the day, tho' it pops out of 2nd low like CRAZY. Once we got back to pavement it worked just fine the whole way home. Heres the question: What on earth happened inside my gearbox/ transfer case and why did it cure itself after some bonking? TIA very very much, bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:18:46 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Overdrives Yes, the synchro seems to be the Toro's weak link as mine broke in the same place as Bills. I had problems with mine almost since it was new. I got it from DAP as new, but heard from someone that they were putting them together from parts, so I think something was screwed up from the start with mine. Speaking of which, does anybody know if factory Toros had a wooden handle on the shift lever with an enamel Land-Rover logo? The one Bill bought for parts had one in the box, and neither of us had ever seen one like it before. William J. Rice wrote: > > My Toro probably had about 60-70k on it. It just died--won't go into > overdrive anymore tho' the "overdrive off" part still works. Jim Hall > has it at the moment and is attempting to cannibalize it and another used > one I bought to create one working one. > So the Toro's no wonder-overdrive, for sure. > > bill - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:21:20 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Weird experience Did you get that mainshaft nut nice and tight, and bend the tabs on the washer? Kind of sounds like it's loose. William J. Rice wrote: > > Took the roof off today and went off-roading. Came to a squirrely spot > in 2nd low. Lifted a wheel and didn't make it. Coasted back a bit and > tried for another go. Truck wouldn't move--clutch slipping. > Decided to winch forward. Winch not working. Decide to pop bonnet and > see if winch connections are good. Bonnet won't open b/c I imagine the > bulkhead (roof off, remember?) was leaning back a tad too far to allow it > to release. > Decide to use hi-lift and cables and chains and straps to try to pull her > back. No dice. Some quad-riders come along. We try to push it but it > sounds like something in the drivetrain is preventing the truck's > movement (this is w/ clutch in AND the tranny in neutral). > Eventually I put the t-case in neutral and back she went. Any shifting > at all was incredibly difficult and required the rocking of the truck. > > Once she was back down we tried to drive it. No dice in any of the > gears, BUT if I put the gearbox in neutral and the t-case in low and then > let the clutch out she'd move forward like she was in 1 low. > > So I figure I'll limp back to pavement like that then get a tow home to > my spare tranny and my new frame (which I was going to start installing > next weekend anyway). But I hop in, put her in neutral (my new first > gear) and she won't go anywhere! Neutral has become neutral again. > Gearbox works fine for the rest of the day, tho' it pops out of 2nd low > like CRAZY. Once we got back to pavement it worked just fine the whole > way home. > > Heres the question: What on earth happened inside my gearbox/ transfer > case and why did it cure itself after some bonking? > > TIA very very much, > bill - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:32:24 -0400 From: "Bruce D. Fowler" Subject: LRO: Re: Weird experience - -----Original Message----- From: William J. Rice :But I hop in, put her in neutral (my new first :gear) and she won't go anywhere! Neutral has become neutral again. :Gearbox works fine for the rest of the day, tho' it pops out of 2nd low :like CRAZY. Once we got back to pavement it worked just fine the whole :way home. : :Heres the question: What on earth happened inside my gearbox/ transfer :case and why did it cure itself after some bonking? Could be that your mainshaft distance sleeve packed it in. Bruce F. We were put on this earth to affirm that clothes do not make the man and cleanliness is not next to godliness. We cheerfully acknowl- edge that there is a proper place for suits and ties, but no one has yet dug a hole big enough to bury them all. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Apr 2001 20:44:44 MDT From: jjp4 Subject: LRO: paint and parts I would like to get input on painting our beloved vehicles. I will be looking at painting my 109 in the near future and would like to get opinions regarding self (brush) painting and spray (shop) painting. I am interested in problems and quality associated with self painting mostly. I would like to get a good quality job where brush strokes are not an issue. Is this possible with self, brush, painting? Also I am looking for an early IIA door and would like to know if there is one available. Please contact me off list regarding this. Thank you Joe Palecek 65' 109 5-Door Station Wagon (Pokey) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:56:40 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Overdrives Also while I have Bill's Toro apart and Ralph has his Fairey apart, I am going to compare internals and see what the similarities and differences are. I will let you all know my findings. I do know that the large bearing in the back of the Toro is the same as one of the tranny bearings of an MG. - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:09:59 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: Re: LRO: Bosch alternator for SIIa? >Use the GM. You want the 10si with double pulley, as used in millions >of of v-8 rear-wheel drive cars. Get one for a 75 olds 88. A related question then - the directions on the OVLR site mentions a 1970 Nova alternator. The one I got from Canadian Tire has a single pulley - but my generator is only using one pulley anyhow (the inner one). Is the other used for anything? Should I exchange this alternator for the 75 Olds version or is there no difference? I'm thinking this job will be easier than troubleshooting my (non-charging) charging system and will have the benefit of upgrading my truck :) Keith Tanner and Basil ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:32:16 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Bosch alternator for SIIa? On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Keith Tanner wrote: : :>Use the GM. You want the 10si with double pulley, as used in millions :>of of v-8 rear-wheel drive cars. Get one for a 75 olds 88. : :A related question then - the directions on the OVLR site mentions a 1970 :Nova alternator. The one I got from Canadian Tire has a single pulley - but :my generator is only using one pulley anyhow (the inner one). Is the other :used for anything? Should I exchange this alternator for the 75 Olds :version or is there no difference? You really want the double pulley. The second pulley lines up with the crank and water pump without having to do any fabrication of mounts, spacers or anything. The 10si was used by GM from about 1968 until 1985, so you've probably got a 10si, if you got the one that's internally regulated. GM used externally regulated alternators into the mid-70's, but I don't know all applications. Take the one you've got back and get one with a double pulley, as they don't cost any more. David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:17:19 -0600 From: "The Stockdales" Subject: LRO: 56k Land Rover The 56k SIIA is from John Villachica owner of Safari 4x4 formerly Kifaru 4x4. I have seen some of Johns restorations and can attest to the fact that they are very nice. On the other hand I don't know anybody who would pay that much for a series rover. I wouldn't, and I doubt that anyone on this list would either, no matter what condition. I don't know what John is thinking but I hope he sells it locally because that buyer might have a friend looking for a Red SII. That I'll gladly sell for a bargain basement price of only $55k. Hurricane Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:06:12 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: Weird experience Hmmm. What washer? Heh heh heh. I thought that thing was only for the overdrive. . . Maybe I should get it off my workbench and put it in there, eh? But you now have your special tool and I'm taking the whole truck apart starting this week so maybe I won't bother . . . bill On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:21:20 -0600 "Jim Hall" writes: > Did you get that mainshaft nut nice and tight, and bend the tabs on > the > washer? Kind of sounds like it's loose. > > William J. Rice wrote: > > > > Took the roof off today and went off-roading. Came to a squirrely > spot > > in 2nd low. Lifted a wheel and didn't make it. Coasted back a > bit and > > tried for another go. Truck wouldn't move--clutch slipping. > > Decided to winch forward. Winch not working. Decide to pop > bonnet and > > see if winch connections are good. Bonnet won't open b/c I > imagine the > > bulkhead (roof off, remember?) was leaning back a tad too far to > allow it > > to release. > > Decide to use hi-lift and cables and chains and straps to try to > pull her > > back. No dice. Some quad-riders come along. We try to push it > but it > > sounds like something in the drivetrain is preventing the truck's > > movement (this is w/ clutch in AND the tranny in neutral). > > Eventually I put the t-case in neutral and back she went. Any > shifting > > at all was incredibly difficult and required the rocking of the > truck. > > > > Once she was back down we tried to drive it. No dice in any of > the > > gears, BUT if I put the gearbox in neutral and the t-case in low > and then > > let the clutch out she'd move forward like she was in 1 low. > > > > So I figure I'll limp back to pavement like that then get a tow > home to > > my spare tranny and my new frame (which I was going to start > installing > > next weekend anyway). But I hop in, put her in neutral (my new > first > > gear) and she won't go anywhere! Neutral has become neutral > again. > > Gearbox works fine for the rest of the day, tho' it pops out of > 2nd low > > like CRAZY. Once we got back to pavement it worked just fine the > whole > > way home. > > > > Heres the question: What on earth happened inside my gearbox/ > transfer > > case and why did it cure itself after some bonking? > > > > TIA very very much, > > bill > > -- > Jim Hall > 1966 88" Elephant Chaser > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo > "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling > > with Jim." Mitch Stockdale > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:31:01 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: 56k Land Rover On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, The Stockdales wrote: :The 56k SIIA is from John Villachica owner of Safari 4x4 formerly Kifaru :4x4. I have seen some of Johns restorations and can attest to the fact that :they are very nice. On the other hand I don't know anybody who would pay :that much for a series rover. I wouldn't, and I doubt that anyone on this :list would either, no matter what condition. I don't know what John is :thinking but I hope he sells it locally because that buyer might have a :friend looking for a Red SII. That I'll gladly sell for a bargain basement :price of only $55k. While I'd never pay 56K for a IIA (unless I knew the frame were stuffed with gold bars, or something!), it's not out of line for what a top-notch restoration done by a top-notch shop would cost. At 60 or 80 bucs an hour for labor, it gets expensive really quickly. I have no idea why you'd have a shop rebuild a Land-Rover, though, barring money coming out your ears. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:55:20 -0500 From: "Vel & Maryanne Natarajan" Subject: RE: LRO: People's Republic.... Because Americans strive to be "#1", and that if means racing forward 10 feet, and then having to hit your brakes to keep #2 from getting in front of you and making you get to your destination .25 seconds later, then so be it. That said, I always use my signal when I intend to change lanes, and I find that more often than not, people (even here in Chicago) tend to let me in. I'd say it happens less than 25% of the time where someone speeds up to keep me from merging or changing lanes. Then again, I've never driven in California or Boston where I hear drivers are pretty uptight and "intense". Vel Natarajan '65 SWB SW - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lro@works.team.net [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On Behalf Of Frank Elson Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something on the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, someone will stop you doing it? why? Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 09:13:16 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics Frank Elson wrote: > > bill wrote: < make him > > BETTER than he was before . . .<<< > > oh but we are, we are... depends on your understanding of BETTER tho' > > Best Cheers > > Frank > I would definately say that sitting up, composing Email messages is better than lieing down, decomposing. John and Muddy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:09:47 +0100 From: "Phil Norris" Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... I think its an urban thing...... I lived in the (over-populated and over-rated) southeast of England a while back and had to use the M25 ring-road motorway to get home and back from work. It was seriously dog-eat-dog down there, with 10-15 mile tailbacks and1-hr 30 to do a 28 mile journey on that motorway. Traffic aggression was the norm, chopping from lane-to-lane to get best forward motion. Back up north in Manchester 1 or 2 miles is a jam and folks are a lot more laid-back in traffic. Bliss!! Phil 110 V8 SW (now with added JATE rings for that great recovery flavour!!) - -----Original Message----- From: Vel & Maryanne Natarajan To: lro@Works.Team.Net Date: 15 April 2001 07:04 Subject: RE: LRO: People's Republic.... > >Because Americans strive to be "#1", and that if means racing forward 10 >feet, and then having to hit your brakes to keep #2 from getting in front of >you and making you get to your destination .25 seconds later, then so be it. > >That said, I always use my signal when I intend to change lanes, and I find >that more often than not, people (even here in Chicago) tend to let me in. >I'd say it happens less than 25% of the time where someone speeds up to keep >me from merging or changing lanes. Then again, I've never driven in >California or Boston where I hear drivers are pretty uptight and "intense". > >Vel Natarajan >'65 SWB SW > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-lro@works.team.net [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On >Behalf Of Frank Elson > >Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something on >the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, someone >will stop you doing it? why? > >Frank > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 01 08:38:26 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... >Am I getting this correctly? > Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something on >the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, someone >will stop you doing it? They are pulling your leg Frank. Actually though, in my part of California a lot of people are using their turn signals. This is a new fad that seems to have started around a year or so and that has been catching on. On the other hand rolling through stop signs is almost universal these days. Even the CHP doesn't stop at stop signs anymore unless traffic mandates it. I read a tongue in cheek explanation once. Someone said that the white border around a stop sign means that a complete stop was optional. I guess everyone has come to believe it. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 01 08:42:46 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: LRO: Rob Davis in Chacago My e-mail adress for Rob Davis who lives in/near Chacago is being returned. This is the adress I have for Rob. car4doc@concentric.net Does anyone have a current address for Rob?? Thanks! TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:44:22 EDT From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... - --part1_99.1394a0b6.280b1bd6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/15/01 8:42:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, twakeman@cruzers.com writes: > . Why would they? Zack - --part1_99.1394a0b6.280b1bd6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/15/01 8:42:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
twakeman@cruzers.com writes:


.  Even the CHP doesn't stop at stop signs anymore


Why would they?
Zack - --part1_99.1394a0b6.280b1bd6_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:44:57 +0100 From: Paul Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... In article , Vel & Maryanne Natarajan wrote: > Then again, I've never driven in > California or Boston where I hear drivers are pretty uptight and "intense". > I have found drivers in Los Angeles (and San Francisco) to be very laid back compared to drivers in London. I do try not to annoy people in LA though. You never know if they might open fire.... Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:23:48 -0400 From: "William S. Kowalski" <70252.1204@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: LRO: Rob Davis in Chacago Try this address for Robert Davis, Chicago area. If that doesn't work, post a message on the Chicago Land Rover Club Bulletin Board, Bill Kowalski Hinsdale, Illnois ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:40:21 -0500 From: "Vel & Maryanne Natarajan" Subject: LRO: RE: Rob Davis in Chicago He changed ISP's a little while ago. Try: car4doc@core.com If that doesn't work, let me know and I can contact him directly. Rgds, Vel - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lro@works.team.net [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On Behalf Of TeriAnn Wakeman Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 10:43 AM To: LRO list; expidition LR list Subject: LRO: Rob Davis in Chacago My e-mail adress for Rob Davis who lives in/near Chacago is being returned. This is the adress I have for Rob. car4doc@concentric.net Does anyone have a current address for Rob?? Thanks! TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:23:11 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: LRO: Toro vs Fairey, the results I compared the two today and a Toro is not a rebadged Fairey inside either. The components are very similar, and most of the bearings seem to be the same. The input and output shafts are the same size on the bearing surfaces, and the same length. The Toro has corser splines where the synchro goes, and a larger diameter synchro. The gears are also wider on the contact area than the Fairey. The Toro has 22 and 25 teeth on the od gears, while the Fairey has 23 and 26 teeth. So other than bearings and possibly the intermediate shaft(with some shortening going from fairey to toro), no parts are interchangeable between the two. However, if you took ALL the Fairey internals or All the Toro internals, they could be assembled in the other overdrive's case. One point Ralph noted about the Fairey is that he was never sure if the oil level was checked with the stick screwed in or just pushed in. After comparing to the Toro, it appears that the dipstick should NOT be screwed in to check the oil level in a Fairey. Also, the seals for the input and output shafts seem to be the same on both units. - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:09:36 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... > >Am I getting this correctly? > > Are you lot saying that if you indicate that you want to do something on > >the road, pull over, turn right or left, move into another lane, someone > >will stop you doing it? > > They are pulling your leg Frank. > > Actually though, in my part of California a lot of people are using their > turn signals. I don 't think they are pulling anyones leg. That is exactly what happens. If you put on the signal so you can move over to the exit, people in that lane speed up so you can't get over. SWMBO is from LA County and told me before we went there on vacation, warned me about the drivers. In the past couple years I have spent a number of times in LA and San Diego and it is just as has been described here. After the first trip I have learned that I need to rent a big fast vehicle just to survive. The 5 between LA and SD and the Santa Monica Frwy have been the worse. I saw similar agression in San Fransisco, San Jose and Pleasanton. Not so bad in Sacremento or Santa Barbara, and I have always found the drive from Malibu to Ventura to be fun. Pete ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #337 **********************************************