From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri Apr 13 12:48:05 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3DGm5N24611 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:48:05 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3DFhxs12362 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3DFhw812359 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00004 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3DFCTP17698 for lro-digest-gone; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:12:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:12:29 -0400 Message-Id: <200104131512.f3DFCTP17698@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #333 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, April 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 333 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:51:41 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: LRO: Steering Relay knock update 2 Further Relay Work: I just removed the originally installed lower relay retainer ring (it was mounted correctly with its flange flush to the bottom of the crossmember). The 4 small fine threaded fasteners needed a 7/16" socket for removal They were original, never removed british fasteners - but not Whitworth. They came out very dry & tight due to light rusting from being exposed inside the crossmember box section. After thoroughly cleaning the area and the ring, I could place the ring back up to its location and realized a definite amount of clearance between the ring's ID and the OD of the mating portion on the new relay. After carefully scrutinizing the ring, I'm thinking it MAY be streteched to a larger diameter where it's supposed to touch the relay. For the short term I bludgeoned the ring a few times on the ground to try to make it better "grip" my relay. Meanwhile, I'm now ordering a brand new retainer ring and hopefully it will better fit the relay. I'm also wondering if that machined diameter on my new relay is correct???? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:50:51 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: relay knock found? I never disturbed the lower retainer ring when I installed the new relay. Joe, get the ring on there - that will solve the problem. The inner diameter of the ring is a snug (almost driven) fit to the relay and is there to prevent the problem you're describing. If you don't have the ring, someone here may have one or there's always the other parts places. Don't shim anything till you've gotten the ring on - any shims you put in will likely over the fullness of time turn to rust...and then it's back again. ajr __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:00:58 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Marin the angry chef Bill- Sorry for jumping to conclusions. Given the recent number of posts strongly objecting to my comments on "what's a Land Rover," "youth," et al, I assumed you were simply continuing the "Marin's posts are long, boring, and objectionable" thread(s). I'm not normally too sensitive to criticism, but this whole thing has been going on WAY too long (mostly my fault, I guess), so when I saw your Swedish Chef thing I figured, great, here's another person trying to nail me for being overly verbose and offensive. Combine that with a bad day at the office (the idiots in charge of computers around here are constantly "improving" our software, with the result that you spend a day undoing their improvements to get the things to work right again), and you get the things I said. I hope that explains why I over-reacted, although it doesn't excuse it. Someone I respect a lot who used to work here told me once that you really have to be careful with e-mail, because like a bullet from a gun, you can't call it back once you hit SEND. His advice was to wait a day before sending a strong reply to someone else's message, as things might look different in the morning. It is excellent advice, and I didn't follow it this time. For that I apologize. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:04:17 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time I decided to pull it in the garage even though it is still covered with snow. I started it and poped the bonnet and started pulling plug wires. #4 made no difference. Points should be fine since I have an electronic ignition. I'm hoping for a cracked valve as I was wanting to do work on the head anyway, and it will be the least labor intensive. Faure, Marin wrote: > It might also be worth checking the points. I had a similar symptom on > a trip to the Yukon and Northwest Territories in 1977. The vehicle started > missing, and it progressively got worse until it wouldn't run at speed at all. > Backfiring, missing, terrible. But it would start and idle just fine. Checked the fuel > feed and it was okay. Turned out the problem was the points had worn > through their hard coating, and then they eroded very rapidly. Put in a new > set of points, and the thing ran perfectly. This may not be your problem at > all, but it might be worth checking out. Usually an engine problem that materializes > right away is pretty minor, in that it's just an adjustment or failed component like > points, fuel pump, etc. A more major problem generally takes time to become > apparent. Not a hard and fast rule, of course, but it's been my experience that's what > happens. > ___________________________ > C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:07:01 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Sighting--Ft. Collins CO The green 1966 88" belongs to Jim Hall, no relation, just amazing coincidence. William J. Rice wrote: > > Hey everyone, > I've seen my first two series LRs in town since moving to Ft. Collins in > the past few days and neither time have I been in Mrs. Merdle! > > Yesterday I saw a white SII or IIA 109 Reg, hard top, RHD, with a LR > sticker on the door right here in Ft. Collins CO and last week I saw a > pale green SII or IIA 88", also hard top (with liftgate, not SW rear > door). > > Anyone know either of these trucks? > > bill - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:13:01 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: GRRRRR-engine rebuild time Luckily I checked it not too long ago, so I will have readings for comparison. It was 127, 110, 120, 130. Maybe I will check it tomorrow. Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: > > Stuck valve - could be. Head gasket? Hmmmmm.... > > SOunds to me like a compression check is highly in order, then have a look > at your options after that. > > ajr - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:13:17 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: fuel tanks Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:05:12 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: fuel tanks >Did I read one of the emails correctly where someone (I think it was = Marin) stated that there is a protective plate under the fuel tank? I = looked at mine last night and found nothing but a ton of scratches and = dings from the P.O. The stock fuel tank for a Model 88 (I can't speak for the 109) incorporates a pretty thick skid plate under the tank. There is a cut-out in the plate for the tank's drain plug. It's been so long since I replaced the original tank on my SIII, that I can't recall if the skid plate actually separates from the tank or not. I think it does, but I can't swear to it and I don't have my SIII at work today to go look at it. I also think some of the mounting hardware or attach points are actually part of the plate, not the tank, but again I could be wrong. The Rovers North catalog I have lists a replacement tank, but it does not list a skid plate as a separate item. It's possible not all Series fuel tanks used the skid plate, or it may be possible to mount the tank on the vehicle without the plate. Or the previous owner of your vehicle may have installed an aftermarket tank that did not incorporate a skid plate. But on a stock Series, at least a stock Series III, there should be a skid plate directly under the tank. It's not separated by much; in fact at first glance it looks like it's part of the tank itself. There's not any daylight between them. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:18:20 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Ballykissangel Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:45:24 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel >I've had a personal mail in with Marin - we often discuss television off list - but I'd appreciate anyone's views on the very first of the series. I won't say why until you've seen it. The first show of the latest BallyK series will run on BBC America this Sunday. We'll tape it and I'll let you (Frank) know what my reaction was after we've watched it later next week. NBC has been putting a lot of effort into hyping a game show from the UK called "The Weakest Link." I haven't seen it yet (I think it premiers next week). Is it as big a deal in the UK as NBC is claiming it is? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:36:58 -0400 From: "James G.Wolf" Subject: LRO: RE: fuel tank > I know, I was concerned about not having plates under my tank too. >> Someone said to remove a plate to be able to paint the tank. I have two >> tanks, one each side and neither has anything under it except a lot of >> dents and scratches. It must have been knocked off!!! >Aloha Mark and Rich. >Believe that was me. Seperate the plate from the tank, to paint and prevent >future rust. You have the plate also, if you don't then the tank is only >held in place by the inlet hose, or you have some custom after market jobby. >The 'plate' is a 14-16 piece that gets welded to the bottom of the fuel >tank, gets a few bends in her, and has the holes drilled in it to mount to >the chassis. >I definately is NOT a skid plate. It's more like a 'catch water and mud >till the bottom of the tank rusts through' plate. I have two side tanks that came from military Santana's, I haven't been able to find the seam between the plate and the tank. I know what to look for as I also have the SW 109 rear tank that has the seam and have separated cleaned, painted etc. and put back. I have done everything I can think of, but no seam. They are from Santanas that were used by the Saudi military and I removed them myself from the junked vehicle (88). Any ideas on finding these elusive plate seams? Jim Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:27:42 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: RE: DC 3's > >the air. The program was cancelled after two C-47s had been fitted >with the floats, I tried posting on this last night but I suspect that there is some form of filter in the mailing list that knocks out messages with too many URL's. Anyhow, if you go to google.com and put the search term "DC-3" and "floats" in you will find a bunch of pages with pictures of the DC-3 float conversion. Plus a page that lists all variants of the DC-3 which indicates that only one C-47 was converted during the war. That not only flies in the face of Marin's research but also a vague memory I have of once seeing a photograph of two float equipped C-47's sitting side by side. Rick Grant Rick Grant Communications International Media and Crisis Management Calgary - Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:53:52 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Hand cranking and engine swaps That'll work?!?! What a great idea. You're a genius Alan. Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:41:58 -0400 From: "Alex Maiolo" Subject: LRO: Re: Peace and Love I have tried to avoid getting into the middle of this kind of stuff, but nicely done, Bill. I thought your Sweish Chef post was funny, albeit off-topic, and a brilliant way to soften the tensions that have been growing as of late. It wasn't taken that way, and I guess that's fine too, because perception is 9/10ths reality. However, whereas most folks on this list, myself probably included, would have gotten into a huff and taken the "ease up, pally!" approach to the retort, you handled it like a true gentleman and ended it. I was expecting a very public flame war. I suppose I should have just been silently impressed, but something urged me to publically congratulate you on your decency and understanding. The steak knives are in the mail... Alex Maiolo Chapel Hill NC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "William J. Rice" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: LRO: Peace and Love > Hey everyone, > I just wanted to say publicly that my post using the dialogizer to > convert Marin's post into Swedish Chef dialect was not at all intended as > an attack on Marin. I found that site and thought I'd type something in > and convert it and post it for humor value. Then I thought, "what if I > take a recent wordy post and convert it?" So, I dug through the last > five or so messages received, and there was Marin's nice paragraph > discussing the merits of old cars. Viola! > I apologize for causing any unnecessary tension (goodness knows we have > enough necessary tension here). And for those of you who were able to > enjoy it w/o perceiving it as an attack, congratulations. > If I weren't heading out the door for the evening I'd convert this very > post into a dialect, perhaps "redneck" or "jive" and post it just to show > how fun (and non-confrontational) this can be. > > bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:10:55 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: LRO Enthusiast Magazine or... LRE is pretty much allright. lacks photo-heavy format of other LR mags but seems (after 3 issues) to be pretty much the same in other respects. for example, it too has the odd (to me at least) feature articles on vehicles, telling all about how special they are and then listing that they are for sale w/ the owner's telephone #. Or the advertisments disguised as articles about a retailer and what they have for sale this month... not bad, just a bit strange. Yes, there are loads of regular ads as well. The stories and tech articles seem just as good as the others. Like I said, same stuff, fewer pictures. I personally prefer LROI, but I can get that at the newstand (read: not buy the lame i$$ue$). Can't say the same for LRE, hence the subscription. If you want radically different from what you've shunned in the past, this ain't it. - -todd >From: "Coates, Clinton" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: "'lro-digest@Works.Team.Net'" >Subject: LRO: LRO Enthusiast Magazine or... >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:33:54 -0600 > >...in search of a decent Land Rover mag. > >Does anyone get this newish mag? If so, what is it like? I stopped >getting >landyporn a couple of years ago as the content-advert ratio in LRO and LRW >was getting pretty high. Besides, I was getting tired of reading about all >the funky things one could do with Freelanders... > >Clinton _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:17:44 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: LR-MBZ related stuff On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Coates, Clinton wrote: :First off, the parking brake light on my 300D started acting up last week, :flickering on and off at random intervals sometimes when hitting bumps in :the road etc. I tried pulling the parking brake lever while toeing the :pedal up to no avail. Put it down to screwy electrics and decided to fix it :later. You know, probably a bad ground, loose connection with the pedal :switch etc. It NEVER ocurred to me that the blasted thing was doing what it :was designed to do, telling me that the brake fluid was low in one of the :resevoirs... ;-) The same light (I think, there might be a different one, but I'm not quite sure) also tells you when the front brake pads are worn out. There's a little sensor in them, and when they've worn away enough, it shorts to the rotor lighting the light. Very cool. I've seen it in other cars since, but I think it's a MB invention. Another cool MB invention involving brakes (not in your 300D, though) is a rate sensor in the brake pedal. Studies show that a fair number of collisions would have been avoided if the vehicle had braked harder, sooner. If the thingee detects that you put the brakes on hard, suddenly, it provides max. boost from the booster, even if that pedal position wouldn't normally get it. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:25:39 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Ray Harder wrote: : :i am going to order 3 bottles from :british victoria in kcmo -- that is the :plan. i called all around, none locally :no pep boys in town. :ray Ray, It may well be worth asking if one of these places can special order you a case. They shouldn't charge you shipping, and they should give you a discount for buying a whole case. Then, you won't to worry about finding the stuff the next 4 or 5 times. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:30:28 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: UK TV series (was to Frank...) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:51:17 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: RE: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel >With some very notable exceptions (Coronation Street), I find Britccoms and serials much more watchable than US TV. Anyone else here like "As Time Goes By"? I agree. Other great ones are "Keeping Up Appearances," "Men Behaving Badly" (the original UK series, not the sorry US imitation), "People Like Us," and "Alan Partridge." Can't really get into "Father Ted," though.... ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:31:01 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: LRO: 109 shocks 4 sale Since I'm now running "Explorer" shocks with my parabolics, I have 2 front 109 shocks (Woodhead) that are about 1.5 years old (have receipt) and have maybe 10K miles on em. Rust free! Plus, I have my original (but still very stiff!) rear shocks (also rust free). Let me know if anyone wants them for reasonable $. JoeM '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:27:28 -0600 From: "The Stockdales" Subject: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics I have watched this thread with amusement and just so I'm not the only one to not speak up here is my take. My name is Mitch and I'm a hybrid. I have no control over modern medicine. There I said it. I have a collection of 20 yes 20 bone screws, a Titanium/Aluminum alloy plate, wire in my left toes, plastic in my right knee, Plutonium and Uranium in my lungs and digestive tract. I am not the person that my parents made. I am a hybrid and fiercely proud of it. I am the Bionic man. In this new millennium I fear that we the non factory hybrids will be looked on with suspicion, perhaps fear. We will be banished to an Island where we will live among other hybrids. We are the children of a new world. Hurricane Mitch PS. I got dibs on the Dark Angel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:35:41 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: More on coil stuff On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Rick Grant wrote: : :Well, I really did want to get the Lucas Sports coil on after hearing about :its benefits and because I was convinced that the existing coil had failed. : :But turns out that I have the screw in type of leads and the Sports needs :push in. That can be corrected by switching to a cap with push on leads. Or you could get a generic wire and put a screw on end at the cap end, and a push on lead at the coil side. Of course, since you've got your old coil working you should be okay. If it makes you feel better, the last time I replaced a coil, it turned out hte problem was a failed crimp connector for one of the coil terminals. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:17:45 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time > I decided to pull it in the garage even though it is still covered with > snow. I started it and poped the bonnet and started pulling plug wires. > #4 made no difference. Points should be fine since I have an electronic > ignition. I'm hoping for a cracked valve as I was wanting to do work on > the head anyway, and it will be the least labor intensive. > Did you swap the wires and plugs around? Possible one of the wires went. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:39:09 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: More on coil stuff At 23:35 12/04/01 -0500, David Scheidt, wrote >That can be corrected by switching to a cap with push on leads. Or you could >get a generic wire and put a screw on end at the cap end, and a push on >lead at the coil side. I didn't know that it was possible to have a dual ended lead. Is this something that is commonly available or can be made up? I don't really feel like spending the money to switch the cap and all of the leads. But, after hearing the comments about the Lucas Sports coil from people here and reading about what the MG people have to say about it on their web pages I really would like to have the extra oomph. Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:42:11 +0200 From: Paul Oxley Subject: Re: LRO: 127" turning radius compared to a 109" "Coates, Clinton" wrote: > Just curious, I know the coilers have a sharper turning radius than the > leafers. Does anyone know firsthand how tight the 127/130 trucks are > compared to a standard 109? It depends on the wheel rims used on the 109, and where the stops are set. With 110/Series 3s rims on a 109 it has the same turning circle as a 110 (without p/s). On the other hand a 127/130 has a far larger turning circle than a 110. Regards Paul Oxley AfricanAdrenalin.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:28:19 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: LRO Enthusiast Magazine or... I get the LRE reguarly and find it has a bit more varied content than the others and the "experts" perhaps a bit more expert. The Ad content of all the mags is higher than in most NA 4x4 mags but the quality of the printing is way ahead John and Muddy "Coates, Clinton" wrote: > > ...in search of a decent Land Rover mag. > > Does anyone get this newish mag? If so, what is it like? I stopped getting > landyporn a couple of years ago as the content-advert ratio in LRO and LRW > was getting pretty high. Besides, I was getting tired of reading about all > the funky things one could do with Freelanders... > > Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:39:34 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics Hurricane Mitch wrote > > PS. I got dibs on the Dark Angel Sorry mate I had that bar code scanned ages ago. John and Muddy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:40:02 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Steering Relay knock update 2 Meanwhile, I'm now ordering a brand new retainer ring and hopefully it will better fit the relay. I'm also wondering if that machined diameter on my new relay is correct???? Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW Good - could well be the ring is buggered. As far as the relay OD? Damnifiknow. I wouldn't think that would have changed dramatically. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:50:00 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: RE: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel Paul...Guess he won't mind, then , eh??? ;-> > Tony Boyle(hey! I remembered one!), > Not quite. Its Tony Doyle. And sadly, he passed away recently. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:55:54 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: Ballykissangel Frank, Will do!...any hints, tho? Frank commented: "Hi John, yes we've been watching the new series of BallyK - complete with Australian priest who drives a Ford Granada Ghia Coupe. I'd appreciate anyone's views on the very first of the series. I won't say why until you've seen it." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:03:02 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: 300TDI...price? Tom, Last year at Billing, 200s were 2grand and I found several ...I also inquired about the 300s, and was told they were very hard to find (unless you were to look under some bonnets;-)) but would be in the 3grand range (lbs, of course)...if found...high demand over there. JT/ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:06:56 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: 127" turning radius compared to a 109" I think most of the 127-130s were exported from the UK...simply because the country is too small for one to turn around without a shunt! ;>) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:16:32 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time Jim reprted: "I decided to pull it in the garage even though it is still covered with snow. I started it and poped the bonnet and started pulling plug wires. #4 made no difference. " Jim, Don't overlook the obvious and simple things...that plug wire could be bad (swap #1 & #4 wires and see if #1 still fires), the plug could be bad or fouled(remove/check)...check the simple & obvious first, before making assumptions and reaching for the tool box to remove the head...I've often learned that lesson the hard way! JT/ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:19:08 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa Did you have to thin that stuff out? Or just paint it on as is? Thanks, bro >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/11/01 11:45PM >>> Ron, Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the paint code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web). The guys there are v. nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel for me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with disposable foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than enough for my 109. bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:19:46 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics After that diatribe, Mitch, remind me to keep you away from my daughter, you evil, wicked hybrid you......8*) ROFL... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:22:19 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa One more thing... Rovers North catalog page 68. Paint codes for all LR factory colors in Dupont, PPG Deltron, Glasurit. >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/11/01 11:45PM >>> Ron, Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the paint code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web). The guys there are v. nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel for me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with disposable foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than enough for my 109. bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:59:10 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time Also don't forget to adjust the valves. John and Muddy "Tackley, John" wrote: > > Jim reprted: > "I decided to pull it in the garage even though it is still covered with > snow. I started it and poped the bonnet and started pulling plug wires. > #4 made no difference. " > > Jim, > Don't overlook the obvious and simple things...that plug wire could be bad > (swap #1 & #4 wires and see if #1 still fires), the plug could be bad or > fouled(remove/check)...check the simple & obvious first, before making > assumptions and reaching for the tool box to remove the head...I've often > learned that lesson the hard way! > > JT/ric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:04:09 -0400 From: Lori Sickley Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa >RON WARD wrote: >Hey, > >I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel >green. Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and >recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that >had been painted the same color. Think that would be my 88. Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my rover : 0 > The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or > something similar, paint color. Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called "Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green $7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than pastel green. >Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other >exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace? Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans searching for just the right color : ) Does that make it not a LR? ; ) Picture is on this page: http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html Happy painting : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:09:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Harder Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, David Scheidt wrote: > : > :i am going to order 3 bottles from > :british victoria in kcmo -- that is the > :plan. i called all around, none locally > :no pep boys in town. > Ray, > > It may well be worth asking if one of these places can special order you a > case. They shouldn't charge you shipping, and they should give you a > discount for buying a whole case. Then, you won't to worry about > finding the stuff the next 4 or 5 times. > > -- ok, my brakes weep a little, but they don't leak that much. i top it off every 2-3 months and it passes inspection... ray ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:39:59 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Peace and Love Don't sweat it Bill, I knew what you meant an' I's just a south Georgia redneck... Ron "Hillbilly Anglophile" Ward >>> jarvis64@juno.com 04/12/01 06:31PM >>> Hey everyone, I just wanted to say publicly that my post using the dialogizer to convert Marin's post into Swedish Chef dialect was not at all intended as an attack on Marin. I found that site and thought I'd type something in and convert it and post it for humor value. Then I thought, "what if I take a recent wordy post and convert it?" So, I dug through the last five or so messages received, and there was Marin's nice paragraph discussing the merits of old cars. Viola! I apologize for causing any unnecessary tension (goodness knows we have enough necessary tension here). And for those of you who were able to enjoy it w/o perceiving it as an attack, congratulations. If I weren't heading out the door for the evening I'd convert this very post into a dialect, perhaps "redneck" or "jive" and post it just to show how fun (and non-confrontational) this can be. bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:53:07 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa Excellent. Now I must choose between doing Bill Rice's Dupont Finishes Centauri in Pastel Green, Martha Stewart, and Rustoleum Sage.... Hmmm Thanks >>> rovers@nep.net 04/13/01 09:04AM >>> >RON WARD wrote: >Hey, > >I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel >green. Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and >recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that >had been painted the same color. Think that would be my 88. Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my rover : 0 > The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or > something similar, paint color. Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called "Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green $7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than pastel green. >Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other >exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace? Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans searching for just the right color : ) Does that make it not a LR? ; ) Picture is on this page: http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html Happy painting : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 01 06:53:57 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: GRRRRR-engine rebuild time > So if my engine started missing, and when I step on the gas it backfires > through the carb, what is that most likely to be? Head gasket, burnt > valve? I'm partial to badly burnt/ slipped points. My policy on toubleshooting problems. Start with the easiest/cheapest to identify/fix then work your way to the hardest to varify and most expensive to fix posibility last. Beats removing a cylinder head because of slipped points...been there, done that in my less experienced days. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site "How can life grant us the boon of living..unless we dare" Amelia Earhart 1898-1937 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:26:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Harder Subject: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers... moss motors has only (per the man on the phone) a 16-inch leather steering wheel cover. it seems to me by swagging it that the series steering wheel is closer to 20-inches in diameter. will leather stretch that much -- any other ideas for another source. should i just call back moss and hope to get a more knowledgeable salesperson... ray -- trying to head off the black hands... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:37:30 -0700 From: Jeff Bieler Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa There is a certain perversity to painting a IIA with a Martha Stewart product.... I like it. ;-) "Hey! Nice paint job. What color is that?" "Oh. It's from the Martha Stewart spring time collection!" Jeff RON WARD wrote: > Excellent. Now I must choose between doing Bill Rice's Dupont Finishes Centauri in Pastel Green, Martha Stewart, and Rustoleum Sage.... Hmmm > > Thanks > > >>> rovers@nep.net 04/13/01 09:04AM >>> > > >RON WARD wrote: > >Hey, > > > >I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel > >green. Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and > >recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that > >had been painted the same color. > > Think that would be my 88. > Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my rover : 0 > > > The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or > > something similar, paint color. > > Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called > "Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green > $7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash > of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than > pastel green. > > >Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other > >exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace? > > Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans > searching for just the right color : ) > > Does that make it not a LR? ; ) > > Picture is on this page: > http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html > > Happy painting : ) > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:10:21 -0700 From: "Rich & Lori Williams" Subject: LRO: Re: Was Shipfitters now Bionics Mitch, Sounds like you spent too much time at Rocky Flats (or similar) with all that Pu and U in your Hybrid body. If you can calculate your approximate load, then infer a value, with any luck you'll exceed Colonel Steve Austin, the 6 Million Dollar Man! Rich - ----- Original Message ----- From: The Stockdales To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:27 PM Subject: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics > I have watched this thread with amusement and just so I'm not the only one > to not speak up here is my take. > > My name is Mitch and I'm a hybrid. I have no control over modern medicine. > There I said it. I have a collection of 20 yes 20 bone screws, a > Titanium/Aluminum alloy plate, wire in my left toes, plastic in my right > knee, Plutonium and Uranium in my lungs and digestive tract. I am not the > person that my parents made. I am a hybrid and fiercely proud of it. I am > the Bionic man. In this new millennium I fear that we the non factory > hybrids will be looked on with suspicion, perhaps fear. We will be banished > to an Island where we will live among other hybrids. We are the children of > a new world. > > Hurricane Mitch > > PS. I got dibs on the Dark Angel > > > > ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #333 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri Apr 13 18:45:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3DMjoN25601 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:45:50 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3DLfj123974 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3DLfi823971 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13141 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3DL1FL22197 for lro-digest-gone; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:01:15 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:01:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200104132101.f3DL1FL22197@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #334 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, April 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 334 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:11:13 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers... ray -- trying to head off the black hands... And what did you do to piss off the Mafia? Oh, you mean black on your hands - not Black Hands.... 8*) Ray, just pull the wheel off and clean and paint it. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:16:30 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers... I had success with one of those el cheapo black vinyl jobs that wraps around and has the plastic laces...Zesty! >>> ccray@showme.missouri.edu 04/13/01 10:26AM >>> moss motors has only (per the man on the phone) a 16-inch leather steering wheel cover. it seems to me by swagging it that the series steering wheel is closer to 20-inches in diameter. will leather stretch that much -- any other ideas for another source. should i just call back moss and hope to get a more knowledgeable salesperson... ray -- trying to head off the black hands... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:26:41 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa You know, my neighbor Calhoun asked me last night if those of us on the LRO list swap recipes and Martha Stewart paint color swatches along with the random automotive fixes. I said, "of course! And thanks to the list I have made the most delightful batch of warm EP 90w muffins..." Ron >>> mrbieler@earthlink.net 04/13/01 10:37AM >>> There is a certain perversity to painting a IIA with a Martha Stewart product.... I like it. ;-) "Hey! Nice paint job. What color is that?" "Oh. It's from the Martha Stewart spring time collection!" Jeff RON WARD wrote: > Excellent. Now I must choose between doing Bill Rice's Dupont Finishes Centauri in Pastel Green, Martha Stewart, and Rustoleum Sage.... Hmmm > > Thanks > > >>> rovers@nep.net 04/13/01 09:04AM >>> > > >RON WARD wrote: > >Hey, > > > >I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel > >green. Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and > >recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that > >had been painted the same color. > > Think that would be my 88. > Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my rover : 0 > > > The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or > > something similar, paint color. > > Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called > "Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green > $7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash > of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than > pastel green. > > >Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other > >exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace? > > Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans > searching for just the right color : ) > > Does that make it not a LR? ; ) > > Picture is on this page: > http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html > > Happy painting : ) > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:29:26 -0400 From: Lori Sickley Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa >There is a certain perversity to painting a IIA with a Martha Stewart >product.... I like it. ;-) Please, next there will be a LR segment on her show, on her web site, in her magazine and at a K-Mart near you : ) BTW, I read she had a LR in the early years to schlep around antiques. I knew I liked her for a reason : ) >"Hey! Nice paint job. Distance is a "good thing" ; ) Lori 74 88" Dorchester Green : ) >What color is that?" >"Oh. It's from the Martha Stewart spring time collection!" > >Jeff > >RON WARD wrote: > > > Excellent. Now I must choose between doing Bill Rice's Dupont Finishes > Centauri in Pastel Green, Martha Stewart, and Rustoleum Sage.... Hmmm > > > > Thanks > > > > >>> rovers@nep.net 04/13/01 09:04AM >>> > > > > >RON WARD wrote: > > >Hey, > > > > > >I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel > > >green. Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and > > >recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that > > >had been painted the same color. > > > > Think that would be my 88. > > Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my > rover : 0 > > > > > The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or > > > something similar, paint color. > > > > Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called > > "Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green > > $7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash > > of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than > > pastel green. > > > > >Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other > > >exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace? > > > > Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans > > searching for just the right color : ) > > > > Does that make it not a LR? ; ) > > > > Picture is on this page: > > http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html > > > > Happy painting : ) > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:30:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: RE: grim news... George is in my opinion, a top shelf guy. I ordered OD parts from him a year or so ago and his prices were half or less than half than anyone else's. They have gone up though (that's capitalism for ya). He is the OD guy now given he has basically bought fairey (Superwinch) 's OD department. Understand he is making Fairey OD gears over here now..... He has good prices on a variety of mostly SIII stuff. Gave me free advice, and once, even sent me some free (minor) parts. Prompt service too. I have to say I disagree, but then, no one is perfect, and maybe you got him on a bad day. I plan to order from him when I have the $$ Simon (saving for a diff rebuild, otherwise I'd be ordering doors and OD spares from George) CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have received this message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (503) 223-4131, and permanently delete the original and any copy of this message. Simon J. Harding Attorney at Law Schulte Anderson Downes Aronson & Bittner, P.C. 503.223.4131 sharding@schulte-law.com -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Oppenheim [SMTP:daniel5@best.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:49 PM To: schultelaw@transport.com; catchall@schulte-law.com; SJH; mendo_recce@fourfold.org Subject: Re: grim news... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:53:30 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: RE: DC 3's Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:27:42 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: RE: DC 3's >Plus a page that lists all variants of the DC-3 which indicates that only one C-47 was converted during the war. That not only flies in the face of Marin's research but also a vague memory I have of once seeing a photograph of two float equipped C-47's sitting side by side. The person who told me only two C-47s had been mounted on floats was the head of the float division at EDO. That's not to say he couldn't be wrong, but based on his overall knowledge of seaplanes in general and EDO in particular, I would tend to believe him. I don't know if either of the converted C-47s was actually operated by the Army Air Corps, or if the project never got beyond Ed's facility on Long Island. I recall, however, that Jay Free (the head of the EDO float division) told me that more than two sets of the 29,400 pound displacement floats were manufactured. But I may be confusing that with the F4F Wild Catfish project, which mounted the Grumman fighter on floats. About ten sets of Wildcat floats were produced, and several planes were actually converted, so maybe I'm thinking of those numbers instead. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:09:45 -0700 From: Jeff Bieler Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa Just remember to style the interior accordingly... RON WARD wrote: > You know, my neighbor Calhoun asked me last night if those of us on the LRO list swap recipes and Martha Stewart paint color swatches along with the random automotive fixes. I said, "of course! And thanks to the list I have made the most delightful batch of warm EP 90w muffins..." > > Ron > > >>> mrbieler@earthlink.net 04/13/01 10:37AM >>> > There is a certain perversity to painting a IIA with a Martha Stewart product.... I like it. ;-) > > "Hey! Nice paint job. What color is that?" > > "Oh. It's from the Martha Stewart spring time collection!" > > Jeff > > RON WARD wrote: > > > Excellent. Now I must choose between doing Bill Rice's Dupont Finishes Centauri in Pastel Green, Martha Stewart, and Rustoleum Sage.... Hmmm > > > > Thanks > > > > >>> rovers@nep.net 04/13/01 09:04AM >>> > > > > >RON WARD wrote: > > >Hey, > > > > > >I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel > > >green. Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and > > >recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that > > >had been painted the same color. > > > > Think that would be my 88. > > Now the young part could be debated however, since I am older than my rover : 0 > > > > > The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or > > > something similar, paint color. > > > > Bought two quarts and only used one. Found the spare can and it is called > > "Martha Stewart Garden Enamels High Gloss Latex Enamel" in Dorchester Green > > $7.95 per quart. Not exactly high gloss, then again I primed it with a wash > > of Dawn dish detergent then brushed and rolled it on. It's darker than > > pastel green. > > > > >Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other > > >exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace? > > > > Bought it at K-Mart after having the paint mixer kid open a bunch of cans > > searching for just the right color : ) > > > > Does that make it not a LR? ; ) > > > > Picture is on this page: > > http://www.gotsoap.com/store/LR.html > > > > Happy painting : ) > > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:02:53 -0400 From: William L Leacock Subject: LRO: Starter Has anyone fitted a Coffman starter to a Land Rover engine? I was going to use one with the Merlin engine swap, but the front springs were too soft! Regards from Western New York State Bill Leacock. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:30:00 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... Nobody is going to accuse Rover's Down South and George of not having a rudimentary understanding of economics, however. I bought my Fairey Over Drive 10 years ago for, I believe, $450, from Rovers North. With inflation running at 3% or less, that should have upped the price to $622.91, compounding the inflation, in todays prices. Most retailers were selling the O/D for $750 when Super Winch announced they were out of the O/D business. A somewhat High but justifiable price given inflation. All the suppliers upped the price to $1100 on the announcement of cessation of production figuring on a little help from the supply/demand equation. It seemed a bit opportunistic but probably good business given the impending scarcity. At $2,000 a whack, George has raised the rule of monopoly price to new levels. If your the only one with the product, you can ask what you want. Our only defense is we don't have to buy. Felt $450 was a bit pricey for my budget. Especially when its only a simple single gear, case and rudimentary linkage that wasn't very well engineered and fragile to begin with. Unfortunately, with my new hot rod 2 1/4, I feel the need for an overdrive. So it looks like the O/D is going to go on the 109. That would solve my problem if I didn't have two 88's that I'm working on, also. Ashcroft gears are the only other solution but doubt even the hot rod 2 1/4 could pull an even higher gear than the O/D. Besides, the ability to split 3rd-4th was the main reason that I used to use the O/D. Splitting gears is a god send in the mountains. Driving 55mph on the flat in a truck that wants to go 65mph is a livable annoyance. Anybody out there want to investigate making an O/D that they could retail in the neighborhood of a $1,000. Bill at Great Basin, where are you in our hour of need??? I'll take two if you can do it!! Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, up and running 12/00. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: SJH >George is in my opinion, a top shelf guy. I ordered OD parts from him a >year or so ago and his prices were half or less than half than anyone else's. They have gone up though (that's capitalism for ya). He is the OD guy now given he has basically bought fairey (Superwinch) 's OD >department. Understand he is making Fairey OD gears over here now..... He has good prices on a variety of mostly SIII stuff. Gave me free advice, and once, even sent me some free (minor) parts. Prompt service too. I have to say I disagree, but then, no one is perfect, and maybe >you got him on a bad day. I plan to order from him when I have the $$ Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally up and running 12/00. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:47:05 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: 300TDI...price? There's been a long running ad for new 300tdi's from a cancelled overseas order. Seem to remember price of 3,000 GBP complete with all the ancillaries like starter and alternator. Seemed like quite a good price as people are advertising rebuilt turbo diesels, the old 2.5 with problems, for 2,500GBP. I can look throught an old LROI if you need the specifics but think I saw the ad. in the March LROI. Aloha Peter >From: "Tackley, John" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: "'lro@works.team.net'" >Subject: LRO: RE: 300TDI...price? >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:03:02 -0400 > >Tom, > >Last year at Billing, 200s were 2grand and I found several ...I also >inquired about the 300s, and was told they were very hard to find (unless >you were to look under some bonnets;-)) but would be in the 3grand range >(lbs, of course)...if found...high demand over there. > >JT/ric _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:50:07 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers... On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Ray Harder wrote: : :moss motors has only (per the man on the phone) :a 16-inch leather steering wheel cover. it seems :to me by swagging it that the series steering :wheel is closer to 20-inches in diameter. will :leather stretch that much -- any other ideas :for another source. should i just call back moss :and hope to get a more knowledgeable salesperson... I've seen a steering wheel done up with bicycle handle bar tape. Looked pretty good. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 01 10:54:48 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers... > any other ideas for another source. I just went to my local cheapo auto parts store. They had a wide selection of leather or plastic ones. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:11:48 -0400 From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: People's Republic.... Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" wrote: >Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass >for a very good reason! Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Had to drive from SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral. Apparently, the rental car was one of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit of optional equipment: a turn signal I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by actually *using* it... Cheers *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* | | | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | | www.roav.org | | (original owner) (pre-production) | *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:11:49 -0400 From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: PETA Hope Peter" wrote: >Actually I believe PETA headquarters is still on the waterfront in downtown >Norfolk, VA. Yup...about 500 yards as the crow flies from where I sit.... *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* | | | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | | www.roav.org | | (original owner) (pre-production) | *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:10:50 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Brit TV Just read here in the UK that 'The Weakest Link' hosted by Ann Robinson starts in the US on Sunday - dunno which channel. This woman has received hate mail and been described as the 'most hated woman on UK TV' because she's horrible to the contestants. See what you think. I just think she's being stupid. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:52:57 -0400 From: "Alex Maiolo" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... The Santana Toro unit is cheaper, better built, holds more oil, and just all around better than the Fairey. I think they are $1200 at most places unless they've gone up since last summer. Alex Maiolo Chapel Hill NC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:30 PM Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... > Nobody is going to accuse Rover's Down South and George of not having a > rudimentary understanding of economics, however. I bought my Fairey Over > Drive 10 years ago for, I believe, $450, from Rovers North. With inflation > running at 3% or less, that should have upped the price to $622.91, > compounding the inflation, in todays prices. Most retailers were selling > the O/D for $750 when Super Winch announced they were out of the O/D > business. A somewhat High but justifiable price given inflation. All the > suppliers upped the price to $1100 on the announcement of cessation of > production figuring on a little help from the supply/demand equation. It > seemed a bit opportunistic but probably good business given the impending > scarcity. At $2,000 a whack, George has raised the rule of monopoly price > to new levels. If your the only one with the product, you can ask what you > want. Our only defense is we don't have to buy. > > Felt $450 was a bit pricey for my budget. Especially when its only a simple > single gear, case and rudimentary linkage that wasn't very well engineered > and fragile to begin with. > > Unfortunately, with my new hot rod 2 1/4, I feel the need for an overdrive. > So it looks like the O/D is going to go on the 109. That would solve my > problem if I didn't have two 88's that I'm working on, also. Ashcroft gears > are the only other solution but doubt even the hot rod 2 1/4 could pull an > even higher gear than the O/D. Besides, the ability to split 3rd-4th was > the main reason that I used to use the O/D. Splitting gears is a god send > in the mountains. Driving 55mph on the flat in a truck that wants to go > 65mph is a livable annoyance. > > Anybody out there want to investigate making an O/D that they could retail > in the neighborhood of a $1,000. Bill at Great Basin, where are you in our > hour of need??? I'll take two if you can do it!! > > Peter Ogilvie > Kona Coffee Rover > 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering > from exposure of the dark side. > 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, up and running 12/00. > 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. > 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will > certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust > > > > > >From: SJH > >George is in my opinion, a top shelf guy. I ordered OD parts from him a > >year or so ago and his prices were half or less than half than anyone > else's. They have gone up though (that's capitalism for ya). He is the > OD guy now given he has basically bought fairey (Superwinch) 's OD > >department. Understand he is making Fairey OD gears over here now..... > He has good prices on a variety of mostly SIII stuff. Gave me free > advice, and once, even sent me some free (minor) parts. Prompt service too. > I have to say I disagree, but then, no one is perfect, and maybe > >you got him on a bad day. I plan to order from him when I have the $$ > Aloha > Peter Ogilvie > Kona Coffee Rover > 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering > from exposure of the dark side. > 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally up and running > 12/00. > 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. > 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will > certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:44:39 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... > scarcity. At $2,000 a whack, George has raised the rule of monopoly price > to new levels. If your the only one with the product, you can ask what you > want. Our only defense is we don't have to buy. Agree that 2k is a bit high, even if it is new. The Ashcroft conversion with shipping is in the neighborhood of 600. I have a line on a Toro od for under 1k. It is missing the shift handle and the gear that goes on the tranny output shaft. If these parts are the same as the Fairey unit, I will just order new from George. Will let you know if this works out, and then my rebuilt fairey will be on the market. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:45:51 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: 300TDI...price? There was someone on the mainland US that ran an add recently in the LRX. I believe they were asking somewhere in the 8-10k range. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveB Subject: Re: LRO: Re: When is a person a person? (was shipfitters) - --- "Faure, Marin" wrote: > If a person gets a replacement heart from another person, they are > still a person. If they get a mechanical heart or a conversion to a > baboon heart, they are no longer a person, but a hybrid based on a > person. etc etc...that is one of the funniest things I've read on this subject so far. 2 points for the old fart! dave the young fart ===== They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier. David Foster Wallace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:22:46 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveB Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Hi-lift - --- Larry Smith wrote: > I still like Dave Bobeck's idea of using skate board wheels as the > isolators. well, now that I've graduated to motorized vehicles, I didn't have any other use for em! (if you don't saw them in half you need a really long bolt) dave ===== They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier. David Foster Wallace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveB Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Series Fuel tanks - --- chaz.mackenzie@virgin.net wrote: > chuck in a shovelfull of broken toughened windscreen. Which we all have laying around of course... ===== They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier. David Foster Wallace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:41:49 +0100 From: Paul Subject: Re: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel In article , John Tackley wrote: > Paul...Guess he won't mind, then , eh??? ;-> > No, he is probably smiling over a pint of Heavenly Guinness.. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:41:49 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... Toro was more or less a Faerey, as I understand, so no improvement on the Faerey. The Toro might even have been just a rebadged Faerey (correct me if I'm wrong). From what I understand, there isn't a lot you can do with the internals because of gear teeth compatability and the space you have to work with. So the Santana unit wasn't a lot different than the Faerey. It was primarily the case that differed. It was larger and allowed more room for oil. Quite possibly, it's the added oil capacity and thus cooler running and better lubrication of the internals that accounts entirely for the more robust reputation of the Santana. All the above is what I gleaned from the net so could be wrong. Your information is a little dated, Alex. TI Console sold the last of the Santana's at least a year ago. The only new O/Ds that are on the market, now, are RDS's Faerey units. I believe it was the Santanas that actually lead the price rise to over a $1,000, though this is from memory. The Santana's weren't cheaper, its just that RDS is now charging more for the new Faereys. From what I understand, the Santana unit has no spare parts available so if it goes in the direction of RDS, you are SOL. At least with the Faerey, you can get parts from George Laird so may be able to keep the Faerie going forever or at least your lifttime. Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally up and running 12/00. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust >From: "Alex Maiolo" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:52:57 -0400 > >The Santana Toro unit is cheaper, better built, holds more oil, and just >all >around better than the Fairey. >I think they are $1200 at most places unless they've gone up since last >summer. > >Alex Maiolo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveB Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Hi-lift & Tailgates - --- "Tackley, John" wrote: > Not hard to believe Dave had a skateboard, but it is hard to believe > Dave > had an idea...oh, well...that's another completely different topic... Oh? You've got my attention Mr... ===== They can kill you, but the legalities of eating you are quite a bit dicier. David Foster Wallace __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:49:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: santana(not Carlos) Alex wrote: The Santana Toro unit is cheaper, better built, holds more oil, and just all around better than the Fairey. [SJH] : Except for spare parts availability (unless something changed while I wasn't lloking... Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:56:30 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... Do not get me started on the lack of use of the turn signal here in California. In England, we use turn signals on dark country single lane roads when you are the only car for miles. It is natural and instinctive and taught in the driving test, (which involves more than backing between two cones) NO-ONE uses them here. There was a news program on it and motorists were stopped and asked why they did not use them. The answer was that "if you use them, you are telling the other motorists what you are going to do, and so they can cut you off"!!!!!! If you do not use it and just barge out into the traffic, the theory is that everyone just gets out of the way. That however assumes that the people you are barging in front of have brains!! What I have learned to do, which is a necessary mix of both Britain and here and is needed for survival is indicate, and then barge out anyway. Does anyone want to hear my opinions about "Rolling roadblocks" as well!? Mark Pilkington "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote: > Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" wrote: > > >Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass > >for a very good reason! > > Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Had to drive from > SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral. Apparently, the rental car was one > of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit of > optional equipment: > > a turn signal > > I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by > actually *using* it... > > Cheers > > *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* > | | > | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | > | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | > | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | > |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | > | www.roav.org | > | (original owner) (pre-production) | > *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 12:53:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: RE: People's Republic.... a turn signal [SJH] As my sister in law from Kally once said when my brother asked her why she didn't use her signal (in a valley girl voice: "becuase then they (the other drivers) will know what I am going to do." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:34:54 -0400 From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: tanks alot "Faure, Marin" wrote: >But on a stock Series, >at least a stock Series III, there should be a skid plate directly >under the tank. It's not separated by much; in fact at first >glance it looks like it's part of the tank itself. There's not >any daylight between them. The plate can be separated from the tank with considerable effort and not a little aggravation. It appears that the two were adhered with some kind of asphalt (!) sealant or somesuch. Designed to keep water/salt/etc. out. Rather, it provides a nifty, concealed place for the rustworm to hide and do its worst at its leisure , eating the tank from the outside in. Quintin Aspin has the neatest fix. Once the plate and tank bottom are all cleaned up, the butters both sides up with West epoxy, aligns the two pieces, then places a spare wheel or two on top. Epoxy (depending upon the mix/type) cures in a couple of hours, but there is no place for the rustworm to hide anymore. *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* | | | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | | www.roav.org | | (original owner) (pre-production) | *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:34:56 -0400 From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: Hybridized Mitch Stockdales wrote: >My name is Mitch and I'm a hybrid. I have no control over modern medicine. >There I said it. I have a collection of 20 yes 20 bone screws, a >Titanium/Aluminum alloy plate, wire in my left toes, plastic in my right >knee, Plutonium and Uranium in my lungs and digestive tract. Yow....you must have a lot of fun going though aiprort security.... ;-) The blokes at SFO wanted to see my LR ball cap yesterday...and then they insisted I 'open' my digital camera.... I guess they were somewhat on edge...the woman who went though immediately before me had half a dozen visible piercings (ears, nose, lip...) The hand-held detector 'found' quite a few others.... Cheers *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* | | | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | | www.roav.org | | (original owner) (pre-production) | *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:49:08 -0400 From: Stephen West-Fisher Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard "Faure, Marin" wrote: > > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:34:00 -0700 > From: SJH > Subject: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard: WAAAY OT > > >Kids tend to shed less than dogs, depending on the dog, and the kid. > > Good, point, particularly with my dog, a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever > (five points to anyone on this list who has even HEARD of a Duck Toller. It's > a real breed, by the way.) > But you have missed walking the rows of planes with a daughter at a major flyin, and watching her face light up for the cool ones. And you will be happy to hear that the "Coolest" had proper round engines (occasionally in multiples) and floats or a water hull. Don't think the collie would have enjoyed Lakeland as much :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:00:48 -0700 From: Jeff Bieler Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... Now that I am in Los Angeles, I have learned the most effective way to change lanes is a "head fake". If you look in a direction, others will assume that is where you are going and will speed up or slow down to prevent your lane change. Instead, look longingly to one side twice to fool other drivers and quickly look where you WANT to go and turn the wheel. I have also learned just to close my eyes and go for it. But no matter where I go or what I see, I will always reflect back to the time I saw a women in the #2 lane of the 805 Freeway in San Diego driving North just past Mission Valley in a Brown 1978 Cutless Supreme driving at 65MPH riding on the right front rotor. No tire. No wheel. Just the rotor. Sparks flying back 25~30 feet. Not a cop in site. Light traffic. And she didn't look like she had a care in the world. Just tooling along doing the speed limit. I think of that and all the other idiotic things I see seem to pale just a little. I love California. It's like watching Cops 24 hours a day. Instant ego boost. When even I feel low or blue or think I just colossally screwed up, I look around me and I realize my life isn't nearly that f**ked after all. I just think, "Hey, at least I'm not on Cops!" Jeff Mark Pilkington wrote: > Do not get me started on the lack of use of the turn signal here in > California. In England, we use turn signals on dark country single lane roads > when you are the only car for miles. It is natural and instinctive and taught > in the driving test, (which involves more than backing between two cones) > NO-ONE uses them here. There was a news program on it and motorists were > stopped and asked why they did not use them. The answer was that "if you use > them, you are telling the other motorists what you are going to do, and so > they can cut you off"!!!!!! If you do not use it and just barge out into the > traffic, the theory is that everyone just gets out of the way. That however > assumes that the people you are barging in front of have brains!! What I > have learned to do, which is a necessary mix of both Britain and here and is > needed for survival is indicate, and then barge out anyway. > Does anyone want to hear my opinions about "Rolling roadblocks" as well!? > Mark Pilkington > > "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote: > > > Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" wrote: > > > > >Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass > > >for a very good reason! > > > > Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Had to drive from > > SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral. Apparently, the rental car was one > > of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit of > > optional equipment: > > > > a turn signal > > > > I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by > > actually *using* it... > > > > Cheers > > > > *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* > > | | > > | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | > > | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | > > | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | > > |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | > > | www.roav.org | > > | (original owner) (pre-production) | > > *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #334 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Fri Apr 13 22:07:09 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3E278N26609 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:07:08 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3E133Y27754 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3E133827750 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02935 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3E0B3u25228 for lro-digest-gone; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:11:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:11:03 -0400 Message-Id: <200104140011.f3E0B3u25228@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #335 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Friday, April 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 335 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:02:12 +0100 From: "Phil Norris" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Re: When is a person a person? (was shipfitters) I'd see it closer to using one of those exhaust bandage jobbies; No "hoses" replaced, the "pump" is the original, just a bit of between-service remedial work to get "coolant" flow back to acceptable levels again wihout resorting to a ful pump off and new hoses and gaskets... Shouldn't effect the resale value too much as long as the "service book" gets stamped up ok.. How was it back at work BTW?? PhilN - -----Original Message----- From: Frank Elson To: lro@Works.Team.Net Date: 11 April 2001 23:54 Subject: LRO: Re: Re: When is a person a person? (was shipfitters) >Marin writes: . If they get a mechanical heart or a conversion to a >> baboon heart, they are no longer a person, but a hybrid based on a >> person. As such, their value to people-collectors will be very low, >> and they probably won't even be allowed to enter concours events >> for people. Someone looking to buy a person won't even consider >> them as an example of the type. So while a person with a mechanical >> or non-human heart may suit the purposes of its owner just fine, and >> may even have better performance and reliability than a factory- >> original person, the fact remains that it is still a hybrid based on a >person, >> not a real person.<<< > >I've just asked the beloved Marjorie and she says she has no immediate >plans, but you've got her worried about my long term resale value now. >BTW, do we have to tell my insurers? Like many of us on this list I am >(was?) worth more dead than alive. > >Best Cheers > >Frank > +--+--+--+ > I !__| [_]|_\___ > I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV > "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:58:49 +0100 From: "Phil Norris" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Hand cranking and engine swaps A la "Ice cold in Alex".......??? PhilN 110 V8 SW LPG - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pilkington To: lro@Works.Team.Net Date: 12 April 2001 00:54 Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Hand cranking and engine swaps >With the plugs out of a non-runner, and the gears in low first, you can crank a >Land Rover right up onto the trailer with a minimum of effort with the cranking >handle. >Mark Pilkington > >Hope Peter wrote: > >> I loved having the hand crank on my S-III. Was a convience when setting >> points, or valves. Never did use it to start, other then for fun for >> friends. >> The IIa has the crank driven Koenig, which I still have not figured out how >> to convert so I can hand crank. I am thinking of making the input shaft >> longer, drill and seal the front side of the housing. Then a shortened >> handle there. >> Pete > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:57:17 +0100 From: "Phil Norris" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Ballykissangel It's OK, the cult has grown around the presenter. She has her own inimitable style anyway and has hammed it up even more for this. I personally don't like quiz shows or her but it has a definite following over here.... Phil 110 V8 SW LPG - -----Original Message----- From: Faure, Marin To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' Cc: 'frankelson@felson.freeserve.co.uk' Date: 13 April 2001 02:53 Subject: LRO: Re: Ballykissangel >Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:45:24 +0100 >From: "Frank Elson" >Subject: LRO: Re: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel > >>I've had a personal mail in with Marin - we often discuss television off >list - but I'd appreciate anyone's views on the very first of the series. I >won't say why until you've seen it. > >The first show of the latest BallyK series will run on BBC America >this Sunday. We'll tape it and I'll let you (Frank) know what my reaction >was after we've watched it later next week. > >NBC has been putting a lot of effort into hyping a game show >from the UK called "The Weakest Link." I haven't seen it yet >(I think it premiers next week). Is it as big a deal in the UK >as NBC is claiming it is? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:38:54 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Enthusiast Magazine or... I'm saying nuthin'.... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:34:46 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: UK car index marks (long) A few of you have asked me questions about UK registration (index) marks in the past. I posted the prefix/suffix years list a while ago and I've just got round to collating all the index marks. The letters are either the only two on the plate , or, later, the last two letters. They tell you at which area office the vehicle was first registered. For instance: The first car registered at Bournmouth would have had the number 'AA 1' the next 'AA 2' and so on up until 'AA 999' whereupon the car after that would have been 'AAA 1' up until 'AAA 999' whereupon the next vehicle would have been 'BAA 1' and so on. Later they changed around so Bournemouth would have had '1 AA' and so on.... So if you have any UK plates, for example ABD 701A and YDF 940 owned by my good friend George Simmons in California... (hope it's ok using these as examples George?) ABD 701A was issued by the Northampton registration office (where Billing is!) in 1963. YDF 940 was issued in Gloucester but I can't say the date, Obviously it was some time before 1963. These days all car registrations in the UK are handled through a central office at Swansea in Wales - although the lettering will still indicate the area that the vehicle lives at first registration. There is nothing to stop a vehicle registered in Scotland (for example my old Range Rover OSM 400M, registered at Glasgow) being sold, subsequently in Yorkshire, which is where I bought it from. My current vehicle, a former Land Rover owned one, B 791 PKV, was registered in Coventry. Land Rover seemed to use either the Coventry or Birmingham offices at different times. Until the suffixes and prefixes, since 1963, there is no indication from the registration number, of the year of registration. That would be shown on the registration document (log book) although, if you have a number Swansea can tell you the year it was issued. I think I have covered everything, but if you have any other questions please try me out on them. Here we go then.... AA - Bournemouth AB - Worcester AC - Coventry AD - Gloucester AE - Bristol AF - Truro AG - Hull AH - Norwich AJ - Middlesborough AK - Sheffield AL - Nottingham AM - Swindon AN - Reading AO - Carlisle AP - Brighton AR - Chelmsford AS - Inverness AT - Hull AU - Nottingham AV - Peterborough AW - Shrewsbury AX - Cardiff AY - Leicester BA - Manchester BB - Newcastle upon Tyne BC - Leicester BD - Northampton BE - Lincoln BF - Stoke-on-Trent BG - Liverpool BH - Luton BJ - Ipswich BK - Portsmouth BL - Reading BM - Luton BN - Manchester BO - Cardiff BP - Portsmouth BR - Newcastle upon Tyne BS - Inverness BT - Leeds BU - Manchester BV - Preston BW - Oxford BX - Haverfordwest BY - London NW CA - Chester CB - Manchester CC - Bangor CD - Brighton CE - Peterborough CF - Reading CG - Bournemouth CH - Nottingham CJ - Gloucester CK - Preston CL - Norwich CM - Liverpool CN - Newcastle upon Tyne CO - Exeter CP - Huddersfield CR - Portsmouth CS - Glasgow CT - Lincoln CU - Newcastle upon Tyne CV - Truro CW - Preston CX - Huddersfield CY - Swansea DA - Birmingham DB - Manchester DC - Middlesborough DD - Gloucester DE - Haverfordwest DF - Gloucester DG - Gloucester DH - Dudley DJ - Liverpool DK - Manchester DL - Portsmouth DM - Chester DN - Leeds DO - Lincoln DP - Reading DR - Exeter DS - Glasgow DT - Sheffield DU - Coventry DV - Exeter DW - Cardiff DX - Ipswich DY - Brighton EA - Dudley EB - Peterborough EC - Preston ED - Liverpool EE - Lincoln EF - Middlesborough EG - Peterborough EH - Stoke-on-Trent EJ - Haverfordwest EK - Liverpool EL - Bournemouth EM - Liverpool EN - Manchester EO - Preston EP - Swansea ER - Peterborough ES - Dundee ET - Sheffield EU - Bristol EV - Chelmsford EW - Peterborough EX - Norwich EY - Bangor FA - Stoke-on-Trent FB - Bristol FC - Oxford FD - Dudley FE - Lincoln FF - Bangor FG - Brighton FH - Gloucester FJ - Exeter FK - Dudley FL - Peterborough FM - Chester FN - Maidstone FO - Gloucester FP - Leicester FR - Preston FS - Edinburgh FT - Newcastle upon Tyne FU - Lincoln FV - 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Swindon MS - Edinburgh MT - London NE MU - London NE MV - London NE MW - Swindon MX - London SE MY - London SE NA - Manchester NB - Manchester NC - Manchester ND - Manchester NE - Manchester NF - Manchester NG - Norwich NH - Northampton NJ - Brighton NK - Luton NL - Newcastle upon Tyne NM - Luton NN - Nottingham NO - Chelmsford NP - Worcester NR - Leicester NS - Glasgow NT - Shrewsbury NU - Nottingham NV - Northampton NW - Leeds NX - Dudley NY - Cardiff OA - Birmingham OB - Birmingham OC - Birmingham OD - Exeter OE - Birmingham OF - Birmingham OG - Birmingham OH - Birmingham OJ - Birmingham OK - Birmingham OL - Birmingham OM - Birmingham ON - Birmingham OO - Chelmsford OP - Birmingham OR - Portsmouth OS - Glasgow OT - Portsmouth OU - Bristol OV - Birmingham OW - Portsmouth OX - Birmingham OY - London NW PA - Guildford PB - Guildford PC - Guildford PD - Guildford PE - Guildford PF - Guildford PG - Guildford PH - Guildford PJ - Guildford PK - Guildford PL - Guildford PM - Guildford PN - Brighton PO - Portsmouth PP - Luton PR - Bournemouth PS - Aberdeen PT - Newcastle upon Tyne PU - Chelmsford PV - Ipswich PW - Norwich PX - Portsmouth PY - Middlesborough RA - Nottingham RB - Nottingham RC - Nottingham RD - Reading RE - Stoke-on-Trent RF - Stoke-on-Trent RG - Newcastle upon Tyne RH - Hull RJ - Manchester RK - London NW RL - Truro RM - Carlisle RN - Preston RO - Luton RP - Northampton RR - Nottingham RS - Aberdeen RT - Ipswich RU - Bournemouth RV - Portsmouth RW - Coventry RX - Reading RY - Leicester SA - Aberdeen SB - Glasgow SC - Edinburgh SCY - Truro (Isles of Scilly) SD - Glasgow SE - Aberdeen SF - Edinburgh SG - Edinburgh SH - Edinburgh SJ - Glasgow SK - Inverness SL - Dundee SM - Glasgow SN - Dundee SO - Aberdeen SP - Dundee SR - Dundee SS - Aberdeen ST - Inverness SU - Glasgow SV - (spare) SW - Glasgow SX - Edinburgh SY - (spare) TA - Exeter TB - Liverpool TC - Bristol TD - Manchester TE - Manchester TF - Reading TG - Cardiff TH - Swansea TJ - Liverpool TK - Exeter TL - Lincoln TM - Luton TN - Newcastle upon Tyne TO - Nottingham TP - Portsmouth TR - Portsmouth TS - Dundee TT - Exeter TU - Chester TV - Nottingham TW - Chelmsford TX - Cardiff TY - Newcastle upon Tyne UA - Leeds UB - Leeds UC - London Central UD - Oxford UE - Dudley UF - Brighton UG - Leeds UH - Cardiff UJ - Shrewsbury UK - Birmingham UL - London Central UM - Leeds UN - Exeter UO - Exeter UP - Newcastle upon Tyne UR - Luton US - Glasgow UT - Leicester UU - London Central UV - London Central UW - London Central UX - Shrewsbury UY - Worcester VA - Peterborough VB - Maidstone VC - Coventry VD (series withdrawn) VE - Peterborough VF - Norwich VG - Norwich VH - Huddersfield VJ - Gloucester VK - Newcastle upon Tyne VL - Lincoln VM - Manchester VN - Middlesborough VO - Nottingham VP - Birmingham VR - Manchester VS - Luton VT - Stoke on Trent VU - Manchester VV - Northampton VW - Chelmsford VX - Chelmsford VY - Leeds WA - Sheffield WB - Sheffield WC - Chelmsford WD - Dudley WE - Sheffield WF - Sheffield WG - Sheffield WH - Manchester WJ - Sheffield WK - Coventry WL - Oxford WM - Liverpool WN - Swansea WO - Cardiff WP - Worcester WR - Leeds WS - Bristol WT - Leeds WU - Leeds WV - Brighton WW - Leeds WX - Leeds WY - Leeds YA - Taunton YB - Taunton YC - Taunton YD - Taunton YE - London Central YF - London Central YG - Leeds YH - London Central YJ - Brighton YK - London Central YL - London Central YM - London Central YN - London Central YO - London Central YP - London Central YR - London Central YS - Glasgow YT - London Central YU - London Central YV - London Central YW - London Central YX - London Central YY - London Central Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:18:41 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Bionics Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:27:28 -0600 From: "The Stockdales" Subject: LRO: Was Shipfitters now Bionics >My name is Mitch and I'm a hybrid....In this new millennium I fear that we the non factoryhybrids will be looked on with suspicion, perhaps fear. We will be banishedto an Island where we will live among other hybrids. We are the children of a new world. I don't think you'll be banished. But as a hybrid you won't be allowed to compete in any of the "Human" categories at the Pebble Beach Concours d'Elegance or whatever they call it. Like a Bugatti with a Corvette engine, you will be allowed no farther than the parking lot, where you can only peer through the fence at the stock humans as they parade their stuff in front of the judges. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:19:48 -0400 From: Stephen West-Fisher Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: > > And figuring out I don't have any > timing marks! (unless they're way off on the flywheel.) > > Replacement flywheel, maybe? When I bought my II, someone had replaced the flywheel and clutch assembly with the IIa 9.5" stuff, leaving no timing marks. I just put some fingernail polish (I'm the token male at home) on the pully and the case for TDC and experimented until I found a good setting. The clutch didn't last long, so I found a proper 9" flywheel and changed back to the 9" clutch. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:27:30 -0700 From: "Hoult, Bryan" Subject: RE: LRO: People's Republic.... Like many things here in God's country, traffic habits have been Kalifornicated (The rest of my family, save my father, are California natives - so my grudge doesn't run too deep. At least they had the sense to bring me into the world after they moved to WA). I just refuse to lower myself to the general standards, and as such have turned into a rolling road block by default. Everyone is in such damned hurry to get everywhere that I find myself wondering how they feel when they get there. "You mean I almost killed a nice gentleman in a classic Land Rover to get to a job I hate?" I guess I need to move out where my aimless meandering ways won't be offensive to those who go as fast as they can between stop lights and traffic jams. Be careful out there. Bryan 62 88 70 109 "Genie" - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pilkington [mailto:mark@skywagons.com] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 12:57 PM To: lro@works.team.net Subject: Re: LRO: People's Republic.... Do not get me started on the lack of use of the turn signal here in California. In England, we use turn signals on dark country single lane roads when you are the only car for miles. It is natural and instinctive and taught in the driving test, (which involves more than backing between two cones) NO-ONE uses them here. There was a news program on it and motorists were stopped and asked why they did not use them. The answer was that "if you use them, you are telling the other motorists what you are going to do, and so they can cut you off"!!!!!! If you do not use it and just barge out into the traffic, the theory is that everyone just gets out of the way. That however assumes that the people you are barging in front of have brains!! What I have learned to do, which is a necessary mix of both Britain and here and is needed for survival is indicate, and then barge out anyway. Does anyone want to hear my opinions about "Rolling roadblocks" as well!? Mark Pilkington "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote: > Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" wrote: > > >Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass > >for a very good reason! > > Just returned from the People's Republic of Kalifornia. Had to drive from > SFO to Modesto and back for a funeral. Apparently, the rental car was one > of only three or four vehicles in the entire state fitted with a bit of > optional equipment: > > a turn signal > > I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state driver by > actually *using* it... > > Cheers > > *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* > | | > | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | > | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | > | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | > |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | > | www.roav.org | > | (original owner) (pre-production) | > *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:29:56 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... No, no, no. Fairey, Toro and Santana are all completely different animals. Santana is WAY better, Toro holds more oil and has a better input gear than a fairey. The Santana has totally different internals and a much larger case. I believe the synchro is a rover piece. Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > Toro was more or less a Faerey, as I understand, so no improvement on the > Faerey. The Toro might even have been just a rebadged Faerey (correct me if > I'm wrong). From what I understand, there isn't a lot you can do with the > internals because of gear teeth compatability and the space you have to work > with. So the Santana unit wasn't a lot different than the Faerey. It was > primarily the case that differed. It was larger and allowed more room for > oil. Quite possibly, it's the added oil capacity and thus cooler running > and better lubrication of the internals that accounts entirely for the more > robust reputation of the Santana. All the above is what I gleaned from the > net so could be wrong. > > Your information is a little dated, Alex. TI Console sold the last of the > Santana's at least a year ago. The only new O/Ds that are on the market, > now, are RDS's Faerey units. I believe it was the Santanas that actually > lead the price rise to over a $1,000, though this is from memory. The > Santana's weren't cheaper, its just that RDS is now charging more for the > new Faereys. From what I understand, the Santana unit has no spare parts > available so if it goes in the direction of RDS, you are SOL. At least with > the Faerey, you can get parts from George Laird so may be able to keep the > Faerie going forever or at least your lifttime. - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:40:01 EDT From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: leather series steering wheel covers... - --part1_88.5240930.2808cc31_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tennis racquet handle wrappings. Paul Donohue 1965 Land Rover 109 Denver - --part1_88.5240930.2808cc31_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tennis racquet handle wrappings.

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver - --part1_88.5240930.2808cc31_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:46:34 EDT From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com Subject: LRO: People's Republic... - --part1_d5.4f88b30.2808cdba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy wrote: <> Never let the enemy know your intentions. Sun Tsu Paul Donohue 1965 Land Rover 109 Denver - --part1_d5.4f88b30.2808cdba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sandy wrote: <<I immediately identified myself to all as an out-of-state
driver by actually *using* it...[a turn signal].>>

Never let the enemy know your intentions.
Sun Tsu

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver - --part1_d5.4f88b30.2808cdba_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:44:56 +0100 From: "Phil Norris" Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix Idiot question. The service book has 35D8 as the dizzy reference number for my 110's points-powered V8, which is in classic-garage but under Rover not Landrover. No problem so far except that their diag of the vacuum advance is opposite to all the V8 dizzys in the LR service guide. Anyone fitted one of these that can help me out? Don't want to spend money and ship from the colonies on a tea-clipper to find it's the wrong one..... Ta muchly... Phil Series IV V8 SW LPG ( does that fit in with the list more?) - -----Original Message----- From: Lori Sickley To: lro@Works.Team.Net Date: 11 April 2001 00:18 Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix >Might find your answer from: >http://www.classicgarage.com/classicgarage/parts-pertronix-ignitors-land-ro ver.html > >or >http://www.pertronix.com/ignitor.htm >1 800-827-3758 >Sorry, it's California : ) > >Lori > > >>does a pertronix fit a militairy 24 v (actualy 12v) distibutors?? >> >>gr JOS >>Jos de Vries >>Delft, Holland >>Land Rover SANTANA 109 D Especial '71 >>Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 LPG >> >> >> > >> > OK, now I am wishing that I had put the pertronix in my rig way back when >> > instead of the Crane. Sigh. So, how long does it take to install. Two >> > minutes? Five? >> > >> > >> > Twenty minutes if you're in a hurry - a half-hour if you let the engine >> > warm up well to time it properly... >> > >> > ajr >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 13001 15:22:08 -0700 From: "Lonn Howard" Subject: LRO: Re: Hybridized > Yow....you must have a lot of fun going though aiprort security.... ;-) > > I guess they were somewhat on edge...the woman who went though immediately > before me had half a dozen visible piercings (ears, nose, lip...) The > hand-held detector 'found' quite a few others... It surprises me that the metal detectors in the airport would notice her jewelry. Most body jewelry is 316L or 316LVM implant grade surgical steel. I've flown many, many miles, nationally and internationally and never once did a metal detector even hiccup at my jewelry. And I wear 2ga in some piercings. I think it has something to do with ferrous and non-ferrous metals. Lonn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 17:02:09 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Stephen West-Fisher wrote: :Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: :> :> And figuring out I don't have any :> timing marks! (unless they're way off on the flywheel.) :> :> Replacement flywheel, maybe? : :When I bought my II, someone had replaced the flywheel and clutch :assembly with the IIa 9.5" stuff, leaving no timing marks. I just put :some fingernail polish (I'm the token male at home) on the pully and the :case for TDC and experimented until I found a good setting. The clutch :didn't last long, so I found a proper 9" flywheel and changed back to :the 9" clutch. Timing marks are for the weak. I was just worried that the timing was changed enough that it wouldn't start. It did, and I just timed by ear, in my usual fashion. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:14:18 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Leather steering wheel covers I put a black leather cover on my SIII wheel back in the mid-'70s. It's the kind that has little holes in it for "breathability," and you stitch it up with a long leather lace. That thing was on there for over 20 years. Last year I happened to notice a tiny ad in LROI that a company in the UK had a limited number of brand new, still-in-the-box, Series III steering wheels. I called them and they had one left. So I bought it and retired my original wheel. But I still have it and the leather cover is almost in as good shape as it was when I installed it. I don't remember the brand or manufacturer, but I bought it an auto parts store in Honolulu, and it was just a standard wheel cover, nothing fancy. I have not put a cover on my new wheel as it has a textured surface as opposed to the glass-smooth finish that was on the original wheel, and I like the feel of the new wheel much better. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:18:21 EDT From: Larry273@aol.com Subject: LRO: Tropical Top - --part1_b2.13ffcbd1.2808d52d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of a source for trop tops for an 88". Things are starting to really heat up here in Florida and the time has come to take drastic measures. Larry 73 88" - --part1_b2.13ffcbd1.2808d52d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know of a source for trop tops for an 88".

Things are starting to really heat up here in Florida and the time has come
to take drastic measures.

Larry
73 88" - --part1_b2.13ffcbd1.2808d52d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:20:51 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... yes but can you get rebuild bits for the santana? rich - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hall To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:29 PM Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... > No, no, no. Fairey, Toro and Santana are all completely different > animals. Santana is WAY better, Toro holds more oil and has a better > input gear than a fairey. The Santana has totally different internals > and a much larger case. I believe the synchro is a rover piece. > Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > > > Toro was more or less a Faerey, as I understand, so no improvement on the > > Faerey. The Toro might even have been just a rebadged Faerey (correct me if > > I'm wrong). From what I understand, there isn't a lot you can do with the > > internals because of gear teeth compatability and the space you have to work > > with. So the Santana unit wasn't a lot different than the Faerey. It was > > primarily the case that differed. It was larger and allowed more room for > > oil. Quite possibly, it's the added oil capacity and thus cooler running > > and better lubrication of the internals that accounts entirely for the more > > robust reputation of the Santana. All the above is what I gleaned from the > > net so could be wrong. > > > > Your information is a little dated, Alex. TI Console sold the last of the > > Santana's at least a year ago. The only new O/Ds that are on the market, > > now, are RDS's Faerey units. I believe it was the Santanas that actually > > lead the price rise to over a $1,000, though this is from memory. The > > Santana's weren't cheaper, its just that RDS is now charging more for the > > new Faereys. From what I understand, the Santana unit has no spare parts > > available so if it goes in the direction of RDS, you are SOL. At least with > > the Faerey, you can get parts from George Laird so may be able to keep the > > Faerie going forever or at least your lifttime. > > -- > Jim Hall > 1966 88" Elephant Chaser > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo > "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling > with Jim." Mitch Stockdale > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:21:27 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time Compression on #4=0. Off with her head!!!! Tackley, John wrote: > Jim, > Don't overlook the obvious and simple things...that plug wire could be bad > (swap #1 & #4 wires and see if #1 still fires), the plug could be bad or > fouled(remove/check)...check the simple & obvious first, before making > assumptions and reaching for the tool box to remove the head...I've often > learned that lesson the hard way! > > JT/ric - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:40:02 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: tanks alot "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" wrote: > > > >But on a stock Series, > >at least a stock Series III, there should be a skid plate directly It appears that the two were adhered with some kind of > asphalt (!) sealant or somesuch. The two pieces were in fact soldered together until well into series 3 production, When the stamped tank was used a welded plate/bracket was used. John and Muddy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:43:06 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... > The Santana Toro unit is cheaper, better built, holds more oil, and just all > around better than the Fairey. > I think they are $1200 at most places unless they've gone up since last > summer. > > Alex Maiolo 1200? From where? I had been informed that the Toro was NLA, which is the only reason I am considering paying 950 for a used one. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:55:17 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Overdrives > No, no, no. Fairey, Toro and Santana are all completely different > animals. Santana is WAY better, Toro holds more oil and has a better > input gear than a fairey. The Santana has totally different internals > and a much larger case. Hmmm, I was told that the Santana OD is a Toro OD. One in the same. I know that the two look the same externally. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 19:19:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: 300TDI...price? On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:45:51 -1000, Hope Peter wrote: >There was someone on the mainland US that ran an add recently in the LRX. I >believe they were asking somewhere in the 8-10k range. >Pete > Probably RN, but's it's a kit for defender including a new manual tranny. Tom Rowe Atlanta, GA Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 16:23:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: Obscure part needed 8 little rubber bump I just picked up my seat bases for the middle row of seats in my 109 SW from the powder coater and they look great. These bases fold forward independent of each other. In readying them for the powder coater I removed these little bumper things, and several of them were worn through. Each one is a pad about one inch diameter and an eighth inch thick. At the backside of the pad, there is a cone shaped point, with a ridge at the base of the pad, forming a barb the barb is 7/16 or so wide and the narrow neck of the barb is probably about 3/8ths. When the rubber barb is pushed through a hole in teh seat base, it locks in place holding the pad in position, eliminating a metal on metal contact where the two outermost seats rest on the frame of the middle seat. I spent a good part of lunch calling around for a source for these. If anyone sees something that sounds like this over the weekend, please contact me off list as I'd like to have them, or something similar to protect my powdercoated investment. Otherwise I'll just glue on some 3/16th rubber washers. Simon (yes I know its obscure) Harding ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:00:36 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Overdrives If they looked the same externally, then they were the same. I have a Toro, and I have seen a Santana, and they look nothing alike. These are pics of part of a Santana. The top plate is much longer and has 6 bolts. You will also notice that the bottom is flat and has a plate bolted on. http://www.d-90.com/trail/dt99/overdrive/05.html http://www.d-90.com/trail/dt99/overdrive/06.html Pictures of my Toro are here: http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/cowley/62/overdrive.htm Hope Peter wrote: > Hmmm, I was told that the Santana OD is a Toro OD. One in the same. I know > that the two look the same externally. > Pete - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:03:01 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Engine rebuild time Well, the problem turned out to be the ever popular #4 exhaust valve. It is missing a piece. Guess it's time for a head rebuild. - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:04:07 -0400 From: "Perrone Ford" Subject: LRO: VERY nice Ex-MOD 88" looking for new home Hello all, Forgive me this indulgence but I am trying to help someone sell a nice SII (or is it a IIa) Ex-MOD 88. The vehicle has had a fair amount of restoration work done. Let me tell you what I know: Vehicle is located in N. Florida. Vehicle has NEVER been titled or registered in the US. Odometer shows about 55k miles (about 52 since restoration). Vehicle is a deep blue color right now. Has had the seats redone nicely and rails moved back to accommodate larger drivers. Has hardtop with pop-up sunroof. Has original unmolested engine. Has a bit of rust showing on one of the front outriggers. Rusty rear cross member has been replaced. Bulkhead has been replaced. Vehicle runs VERY nicely and shifts nicely. Vehicle has good tires and can be driven away. Has pintle hitch on the front bumper. Vehicle does NOT have a perfect body, but IS very nice. Owner bought and restored the vehicle for his 16 year old son 4 years ago. The boy couldn't handle the rover (too much shifting, steering, etc) and so the vehicle has been sitting for 4 years only being started occasionally. I started it today and on full choke, it came to life on the first turn of the key and settled right into a perfect idle. I promised this gentleman I would do all I could to put this nice truck in the hands of an enthusiast. God's honest truth is that if I had the money I would have bought it on the spot. It really is nice. So if you are looking or know someone who is, please contact me privately via E-Mail. I will have pictures available early next week showing all four sides of the truck, the top, and the interior rear and drivers compartment. Owner is asking a VERY fair price. - -Perrone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:06:13 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: grim news... I don't know. But you probably wouldn't need one for a long time. Rich Williams II wrote: > > yes but can you get rebuild bits for the santana? > > rich - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:07:57 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Tropical Top Get a soft top!!! They are much nicer for heat. Larry273@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know of a source for trop tops for an 88". >Things are starting to really heat up here in Florida and the time has >come >to take drastic measures. - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #335 **********************************************