From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu Apr 12 09:33:16 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3CDXGN19230 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:33:16 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3CCT8Y24611 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3CCT7824608 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05740 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3CBphO26895 for lro-digest-gone; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:51:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:51:43 -0400 Message-Id: <200104121151.f3CBphO26895@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #330 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, April 12 2001 Volume 01 : Number 330 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:19:26 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Changing RR coolant On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Peter Ogilvie wrote: :Ethylene and propylene glycol are both toxic. The problem with ethylene :glycol is it tastes sweet so is an attractant for little critters. They :think its sugar water and lap it up, much to the discomfort of their :innards. Propylene glycol is not tasty so even though its toxic it doesn't :encourage the critters to lap it up. The MSDS says of Propylene glycol: Inhalation: No adverse health effects via inhalation. Ingestion: Relatively non-toxic. Ingestion of sizable amount (over 100ml) may cause some gastrointestinal upset and temporary central nervous system depression. Effects appear more severe in individuals with kidney problems. Skin Contact: Mild irritant and defatting agent, especially on prolonged contact. Eye Contact: May cause transitory stinging and tearing. Chronic Exposure: Lactic acidosis, stupor and seizures have been reported following chronic ingestion. Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions: Kidney disorders. LD50 in both rats and rabbits is ~20g/Kg. The FDA calls propylene glycol "generally recognized as safe". That means it can be used as a food additive. It's used to absorb water in some cosmetics, medicines, as an oil substitute, and as a solvent. The other things that are in propylene glycol anti-freezes are not as non-toxic. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:23:01 -0400 From: "Perrone Ford" Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Re: Changing RR coolant > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On > Behalf Of christian147@juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:49 AM > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Changing RR coolant > > As I stated last night.. I didn't mean the SAAB stuff was generic anti-freeze, I only meant that I didn't think it was exactly unique. As for the different anti-freeze solutions not protecting brass radiators, that came directly from the literature on Dexcool. The warnings it gives about it not containing certain ingredients to protect some types of radiators (Brass). In other words, be sure your radiator AND engine are aluminum! I've never tried the voltmeter test, but may try it on a slow day... - -P > Not quite true. Silicates Borates and Phosphates are common additives. > They all settle out and can block cooling passages. That is one reason > for the for the coolant change. Any coolant containing also has a shelf > like. When was the last time you saw a "sell by" date on a jug of > antifreeze? How long was that cheep antifreeze on the shelf? How long > before it settles or gels? Silicates also bond to the ceramic seal and > increase ware a few hundred percent. > As for protecting aluminum and not protecting brass,please point me to > your references > > Propylene Glycol is a food additive. The standard stuff is Ethylene > Glycol. > > For a quick check of corrosion resistance of your antifreeze try sticking > the probes of a high impedance volt meter, one in the coolant not > touching anything else and one on the engine block, you might be > surprised at the potential. > > Chris > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:54:31 -0400 From: "Robert McCullough" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: GRRRRR-engine rebuild time i'm with you on this teri ann, sounds to me that its the points ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 04:02:51 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks > PETA 'world citizens' (from guess > which state, in guess which country) > > Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass > for a very good reason! Actually I believe PETA headquarters is still on the waterfront in downtown Norfolk, VA. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:10:39 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: LRO: Coil Equivalent # I think I saw this in passing recently on the list but I didn't pay attention. Is there an equivalent for a LR coil, such as an MG or something else? Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:26:05 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Coil Equivalent # On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Rick Grant wrote: : :I think I saw this in passing recently on the list but I didn't pay :attention. Is there an equivalent for a LR coil, such as an MG or :something else? : On April 02, 2001, I wrote: >The OVLR alternate parts list lists it as a lucas HA 12. If they can't get >a cross for that, tell 'em you've got an MGB. I'm pretty sure it's a normalish 12V internally ballasted coil. Whether that means anything to an auto parts drone is another problem.... David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:11:16 -0400 From: "Matt Kohr" Subject: LRO: Re: Coil Equivalent # I don't know about the MG, but I went into NAPA and talked to good guy. He let me look through the pre-'71 ignition and electrics, and I can tell you that i was thoroughly impressed. The coil is a code IC64 (which he had in stock), there were also parts for the starter, stop light switch, distributor, tune up parts, all kinds of stuff just for Land rover, and sorted by year and model (including ser 1.) If your interested, look under Rover in the book and they should have a whole list of stuff. Hope this helps. Matt Kohr 1961 Ser IIA SWB SW - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Grant" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:10 PM Subject: LRO: Coil Equivalent # > > I think I saw this in passing recently on the list but I didn't pay > attention. Is there an equivalent for a LR coil, such as an MG or > something else? > > > > Rick Grant > > 1959 Series II "88" > VORIZO > > > > Rick Grant Communications > Media and Crisis Management > Calgary Ottawa > www.rickgrant.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:17:31 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Why do we own Land Rovers? Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:39:53 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: LRO: Why do we own Land Rovers? >It must be the memories that makes me like them. I look at a Freelander or a Defender and see nothing. They are good machines, but the character has gone. I wonder if you can say that about almost every "new" vehicle, however. The Freelander has certainly been a success in terms of sales, and I guess you could consider the Defender a success, too. When I bought my SIII in 1973, I didn't buy it for memories or character, as it was a brand new vehicle. It, along with the Toyota FJ40, the Jeep CJ, and the Bronco represented the state of the art in civilian 4wds. Twenty- eight years later, you can certainly talk about memories and character, but I don't recall thinking about that when I bought it. I wonder if, twenty-eight years from now, people will be saying the same thing about a 2001 Freelander? The current crop of SUVs don't have any character to me, either, but a lot of people are queuing up to buy them. It would be interesting to know what THEY see in the new vehicles. >Range Rovers reach far enough back to still be associated with Home and my misspent youth. The classic Range Rover, 2 or 4 doors, is a great design for its intended purpose. We debated buying a new one a couple of years ago, but neither I nor my wife wanted to give up the design of our '91 for the "Explorer" shape of the current model, even though the current model puts ours to shame in the technology department. We bought our Range Rover because we needed a 4-door vehicle and we wanted something with full-time 4wd. There were other choices, but I'd had good luck with my Series III and I've always liked the look of the Range Rover (classic). I could see that the Range Rover actually had a lot in common in its design philosophy with the Land Rover, so it would be a vehicle I would be somewhat familiar with from the outset when it came to maintaining it. But it would be interesting to know what it is about the new Land Rover models that makes people shell out the substantial amounts of money it takes to buy them. What do they see in the new vehicles that so many of us seem not to? ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:44:43 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Coil Equivalent # At 22:11 11/04/01 -0400, Matt Kohr, wrote >I don't know about the MG, but I went into NAPA and talked to good guy. He >let me look through the pre-'71 ignition and electrics, and I can tell you >that i was thoroughly impressed. The coil is a code IC64 That's good to know. Armed with that and the Lucas number that David mentioned was on the OVLR site I should be up and running before noon tomorrow. Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:45:36 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa Ron, Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the paint code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web). The guys there are v. nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel for me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with disposable foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than enough for my 109. bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:10:35 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: Marin, the Swedish Chef This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ----__JNP_000_1d25.013f.0308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found a groovy website that converts text a good number of dialects. http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/ I pasted Marin's latest post re. new vehicles in and selected "swedish chef." For anyone who has no clue who he is, the Swedish Chef is a Sesame Street (old US children's TV show) character and this is how he talks. Here's the masterpiece: I vunder iff yuoo cun sey thet ebuoot elmust ifery "noo" feheecle-a, hooefer. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Zee Freelunder hes certeeenly beee a sooccess in terms ooff seles, und I gooess yuoo cuoold cunseeder zee Deffender a sooccess, tuu. Vhee I buooght my SIII in 1973, I deedn't booy it fur memureees oor cherecter, es it ves a brund noo feheecle-a. It, elung veet zee Tuyuta FJ40, zee Jeep CJ, und zee Bruncu represented zee stete-a ooff zee ert in ceefiliun 4vds. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Tventy- ieeght yeers leter, yuoo cun certeeenly telk ebuoot memureees und cherecter, boot I dun't recell theenking ebuoot thet vhee I buooght it. Um de hur de hur de hur. I vunder iff, tventy-ieeght yeers frum noo, peuple-a veell be-a seyeeng zee seme-a theeng ebuoot a 2001 Freelunder? Zee coorrent crup ooff SOoFs dun't hefe-a uny cherecter tu me-a, ieezeer, boot a lut ooff peuple-a ere-a qooeooeeng up tu booy zeem. 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- ----__JNP_000_1d25.013f.0308-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:29:43 -0500 From: "oldhaven" Subject: LRO: DC-3 > At one time the DC-3 in question was based in Maine, but I couldn't > say for sure that's where it is now. It was created several years > ago by mating the only remaining set > of C-47 amphibious floats made by EDO during WWII to a > civilian DC-3, which is for all practical purposes identical to > a C-47. The idea was to create a unique airplane that could be > taken to airshows around the country, thus paying the cost > of the initial project and operating expenses. From talking > to folks I know in the seaplane business, this concept hasn't > really panned out very well. The last I heard, the airplane was for sale, > although finding someone with the money to buy and operate such a beast > won't be easy. Well I haven't seen it since I was up at my camp last summer, but last time I looked, (from about 3 feet away from the amphibious EDO's on the ramp) it was still in Greenville. It's about as impressive thing as you will ever see, sort of Spruce Goose silly. The Titanic, Empire State Building, same thing. Somebody had a great idea and found someone to pay for it. Being a design engineer I am very impressed with anything someone drew by hand and made work. Things are much easier now. Ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:34:18 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Coil Equivalent # On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Matt Kohr wrote: :I don't know about the MG, but I went into NAPA and talked to good guy. He :let me look through the pre-'71 ignition and electrics, and I can tell you :that i was thoroughly impressed. The coil is a code IC64 (which he had in :stock), there were also parts for the starter, stop light switch, :distributor, tune up parts, all kinds of stuff just for Land rover, and :sorted by year and model (including ser 1.) If your interested, look under :Rover in the book and they should have a whole list of stuff. Heh. Most of the time they won't have Rover listed. Don't lose this place. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:44:35 -0700 From: "Lonn & Rhonda" Subject: LRO: Re: Hand cranking and engine swaps Compression is the bane of hand-cranking. I would have really liked to retain the ability to hand-crank my 109 after the conversion, but the reality is that it would take two strong men and a boy to crank my 10.25:1 compression V8. (can you say "Fill 'er up with Premium"?) You gain some things, and lose others when you change engines. Sadly, one of the things I gave up with my engine swap was the smell of the Land Rover. I remember the first time I sat in it... it smelled so... military. It had the smell of oiled canvas and cosmoline and something you can't define. My dad said it reminded him of the smell of a WWII tank when he first smelled it. It reminded me of the smell of a submarine. It smelled like it was serious. Anyway!!!! Enough lamenting the loss of some old stink! My notta-Rover rocks! What was the question? Never mind............... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:55:01 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Painting a IIa On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, William J. Rice wrote: :Ron, :Just get your butt over to CarQuest on Veterans Parkway with the paint :code (I think TeriAnn or OVLR has 'em on the web). The guys there are v. :nice--they mixed up a couple batches of Marine Blue DuPont enamel for :me--it ain't very expensive (especially if you put it on with disposable :foam brushes), something like $30 for a quart, which was more than enough :for my 109. The paint codes are in the LR FAQ at http://www.lrfaq.org/Series/FAQ.S.paint.3.html If you tell the paint people you're going to put the paint on with a brush, they'll probably laugh at you. Do it anyway, not just because you should be used to getting laughed at by people in parts stores, but because they can do things that will improve your painting. David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:54:05 -0700 From: "Lonn & Rhonda" Subject: Re: LRO: Shipfitters... >From: "Frank Elson" well now, there's me and Trevor Easton, and probably others, who have bits > of metal inside there that our mummies and daddies never made for us... Funny... all my bits of extraneous metal parts hang on the outside appendages of my body... It's an occupational hazard... Body Piercing. I've been at it for seven years now. It chagrins my parents to have contributed to my formal education as an electrical engineer only to have me poking holes in people for a living. Lonn o-----------o ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:11:28 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Galvanizing Bulkheads A few years back I had a conversation w/ Seth of British Bulldog infamy. It was over the fitting of a heater plug in the block of my 2.25l in preparation for our first winter. He says "why do you want to do that when you can just cut the lower rad. hose and put in an in-line heater from NAPA?" "'cause it's not as bulletproof-efficient-neato-complicated-trick-functional-whatnotandsoforth", says I. Hey says, "you know, all you series guys are the same." "excuse me?" "freakin' masochists, every one", he says. "excuse me?" "You guys, for some reason, make everything as complicated for yourselves as you possibly can. The more difficult and convoluted the better... 'This neat gadget, I should galvanize this, why don't I just weld that', masochists." "guilty" said I and I still am. By saying don't do it, I'm just looking out for my fellow masochists. Of course people will still go and dip their bulkheads... I just want them to know that it doesn't always turn out perfect. Oh, and yes, you were lucky. cheers, - -todd BTW- after 8 hours of trying to remove that butterfly-holed little bastard on the side of my engine block I took the man's advice. don't even ask how long I've been grinding away at zinc. >From: "Tackley, John" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: "'lro@works.team.net'" >Subject: LRO: RE: Galvanizing Bulkheads >Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:26:20 -0400 > >Todd commented: > >"Don't do it!" > > >Gosh, Todd, guess I was very lucky when I did my bulkhead. >I used Industrial Galvanizing in Petersburg, Va, who claim to be the >largest >facility in the east, and I believe their claim. Their principal business >seemed to be dipping those huge high voltage transmission towers, (some of >which are so large at the base that I could walk inside of them!). >They did cause some repairable damage by dropping another large item (one >of >those tower sections)into the vat on top of my BH, and they completely lost >some small items(which they gladly paid RN prices to replace), but with a >zinc vat 90' long(filled with zinc heated to 450 degrees F), that was >understandable. They ground off resulting and inevitable slag and drips as >part of their QC process. One of my new gas tanks also came back with a >fist sized lump of zinc inside...they re-dipped several times trying to >melt >and remove it to no avail. I'll have to plasma-cut & weld-shut a hole to >get it out...(but let me tell you, that tank has so much zinc coating it >that it will probably 'never' rust!). They did not charge me for that >tank. >They were fair, responsible and did what they could to accomodate my >unusual >needs (said they had never been asked to dip a vehicle frame, for instance, >but they took time to examine it carefully for proper zinc access and >drainage holes to interior surfaces and decided the best orientation for >dipping it. The frame was literally a thing of beauty when I picked it >up. >So experiences vary... > >Ahhh well, opinions...like armpits and navels, everybody has one. Take >them >for what they're worth... > >JT/ric > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:54:43 +0200 From: Paul Oxley Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: > PETA 'world citizens' (from guess > which state, in guess which country) I didn't say a thing, but since you raise the subject... > Don't blame US for California.....we're on the other end of the landmass > for a very good reason! Hmm, a list member (who shall remain nameless) has explained to me that the whole of the continental US is sloped downwards, towards the southwest. The result (he claims) is that anything loose or unstable ends up in southern California. Your comments seem to bear this out ;-{>} Regards Paul Oxley AfricanAdrenalin.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:55:48 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Re: Changing RR coolant I can't remember the name but the anti-freeze I want is the stuff they put in Italian wine... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Perrone Ford To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:27 AM Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Changing RR coolant > You absolutely CANNOT use "any fluid suitable for aluminum blocked engines" > in your Land Rover. They do NOT have the necessary ingredients to make a > healthy brass radiator in a Land Rover. You need to keep using the normal > stuff. As for the enviro-friendly stuff.. I totally recommend it. I did > about 2 weeks research on it last year, talking to everyone I could find who > would really know about the stuff, and it seems it really is good stuff. I > use Sierra personally, and it performs as well as better than the Prestone I > had been using. I now worry less about not being able to catch all the > coolant when I drain my truck. I have a lovely 2 year old dog to protect, > and my GF works for a vet.. so she is DAMN sensitive about this stuff. > > SAAB's antifreeze in no different than anything else. Its either Propylene > Glycol (standard stuff) Dexcool, or the enviro stuff. Have a look at the > label and figure out what's in it. > > -P > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On > > Behalf Of Lonn & Rhonda > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:58 PM > > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > > Subject: LRO: Re: Changing RR coolant > > You know, it's funny that I changed ALL the fluids in my new RR the > > first week I had it, but never even thought about the coolant. I just > > flushed the SAAB, because the factory is adamant about changing it > > every two years and using only SAAB anti-freeze. Maybe my RR will > > like SAAB anti-freeze? Seems that any coolant designed for aluminum > > blocked engines should work, but my SAAB tech is insistent on using > > only genuine SAAB anti-freeze. Wonder why? > > > > And what's the deal with the eco-anti-freeze that won't destroy Fido's > > liver? Anybody have any experience with it? > > > > Lonn > > '67 109 beast > > '90 RR County > > and obviously, a SAAB... > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:42:02 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: LRO: Re: Cameron Green??? One of the colors for series rovers is Cameron Green. Can someone describe this color. My 109 was originally a medium green, kind of a jade color. Been trying to find out what the color is. It is not really a pastel color so don't think its pastel green. The truck was repainted that institutional pastel green that every school in the 50's was painted. That's how the truck got the name 'slime'. See that there was a medium green that early series I's were painted, could it be this color??? The truck is a 1966 109 regular originally outfitted as a fire truck with pump on the front. Aloha Peter Ogilvie Kona Coffee Rover 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering from exposure of the dark side. 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally up and running 12/00. 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:59:23 +0100 From: Paul Subject: LRO: Marin`s prayer/was Land Rover bodied tedium In article <200104101520.IAA18989@blackie.cruzers.com>, TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > Oh almighty 2.25 three main bearing Land Rover engine, praise be to the > Land Rover factory. > As it was on Delivery, so shall it ever shall be, Roads without End Amen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:07:31 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: Shipfitters... > Funny... all my bits of extraneous metal parts hang on the outside > appendages of my body... > Like bolt on accessories. lol Pete ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:12:50 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Weber 34ICH update (crap no more) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C0C267.9556FD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fianlly got the dang thing to idle. Had to recut the nose of the idle = jet and run some thin gauge wire through all the passages after removing = the lead plugs. I did a write up for www.aloharovers.com , it's in the tech articles = section. or try http://www.aloharovers.com/ichoverhaul.htm lots of pictures and an exploded diagram. Pete - ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C0C267.9556FD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Fianlly got the dang thing to = idle.  Had to=20 recut the nose of the idle jet and run some thin gauge wire through all = the=20 passages after removing the lead plugs.
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lots of pictures and an exploded=20 diagram.
Pete
- ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01C0C267.9556FD20-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:42:47 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks Some how I imagine the protest was less than successful. The correct who have been to bring in the friendly young men in the clean white clothes bearing straight jackets. Obviously these poor people must be crazy. John and Muddy Paul Oxley wrote: > > Hope Peter wrote: > > > Yes I am kidding, sheesh you PETA folks should change yer name to PITA. > > Heh, heh, heh! > > Mainstreet Nairobi, yesterday, three PETA 'world citizens' (from guess > which state, in guess which country) lock themselves inside a chicken > coop to protest against Kenyans consuming meat/chickens (BTW, estimates > are that 4.4 million Kenyans are at risk of starving at the moment). A > bystander observing this shakes his head and says "Chickens are not an > endangered species. I don't see the sense of it. Tonight I'm leaving > here and I'm going for a chicken." > > Go figger... > > Regards > > Paul Oxley > AfricanAdrenalin.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:26:47 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: GRRRRR-engine rebuild time Yes John and Muddy Jim Hall wrote: > > So if my engine started missing, and when I step on the gas it backfires > through the carb, what is that most likely to be? Head gasket, burnt > valve? > -- > Jim Hall > 1966 88" Elephant Chaser > http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo > "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling > with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:35:59 +0200 From: Ivan Lukic Subject: Re: LRO: Why do we own Land Rovers? Mark Pilkington wrote: > > Very quiet this morning? > I have been thinking about why I like Land Rovers. Well, I guess its about my personality. I like to do things by myself, that allows me to learn a lot about different aspects of life. I built a house for me and my family. So maintaining a vehicle by myself is not all that uncommon. And which vehicle will last enough to allow me to play with? And which vehicle is not so complicated to let me understand how so-and-so works? And which vehicle will let me experiment with used parts from different cars (when original are not available)? And which vehicle smiles at me every time I came across? ... Well, currently, unmovable gray '59 s2 lwb sw. Regards, Ivan. ps. I hope you'll understand better my idea than my english :-). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 19:52:37 +0100 From: "John Bridgett" Subject: LRO: Classic LSE For Sale ? Hi, I may be shortly in a situation where I have to sell my mint 4.2LSE. It's the classic shape M reg 68,000 miles RPi LPG conversion with underfloor tank so still huge bootspace. Everything working, no dents, CD & radio etc. It has FULL SERVICE HISTORY from day one, Metallic Green / Grey leather. If anyone is remotely interested in this vehicle will you please email me off the list (john@lincit.com). Regards - John - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On Behalf Of Faure, Marin Sent: 11 April 2001 04:10 To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' Subject: LRO: Re: Changing RR coolant (Perrone Ford stated that he uses environmentally friendly coolant in his Range Rover now.) As it was explained to me, an environmentally- friendly coolant like Sierra does not have the same degree of corrosion-inhibiting qualities as the nasty stuff like Prestone, etc. The three diesels in our trawler had Sierra as their coolant when we bought the boat in California. When we got it to Bellingham, WA, I had a very reputable engine shop go over all three engines for a complete service. One of the first things they said was, the Sierra's got to go. The reason given was that it has pretty much no corrosion combatant properties. The diesel shop recommended changing to a coolant marketed under the Caterpillar name (Cat doesn't make it, of course), which is formulated specially for marine engines, with an even higher corrosion inhibiting factor that "normal " coolant. We had them make the switch, but in the discussion, they described what they'd come across in marine engines that had used Sierra or Sierra-type coolant for a period of time, and they said the end result wasn't pretty and was pretty expensive to fix, and in some extreme cases, ruined the engine. Given the aluminum nature of the Rover V-8, I would be leery of using a coolant type that does not provide a high degree of corrosion protection. There may be anti-freezes on the market that are both environmentally friendly and do a good job of corrosion protection. But I was certainly given the impression by people I figure should know that the two are mutually exclusive. I'm not implying that the Rover V-8 should be fed a coolant that's been formulated for the marine environment, which admittedly is tougher in terms of corrosion than the automotive environment. But everything I've been told (so far) seems to suggest that while the environmentally friendly coolants are certainly better for the environment, they are not better for an engine. Perhaps someone here with more knowledge of coolant properties can reinforce or refute my understanding. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:57:48 +0200 From: "S. Vels" Subject: Re: LRO: The great shock debate (U-bolts) TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: > ...There are some cheap poor strength 'U' bolts in the LR > aftermarket. Either get US "u" bolts or genuine ones. I've had British u-bolts strip the thread easily and u-bolts from India torque down real hard. The latter were even coated with some enamel type of paint. Before seeing this, i would have thought i was the other way round. rgds sv/aurens ..off to Turkey for a week. Wonder if they have anything other than Suzuki 4x4 rentals... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:57:34 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Mini quest-no Rover content I've got a pic of me standing next to the first Mini ever made - after I had just driven it. D'you want me to hunt it out, scan and send it? Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: David G. Russell To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 8:05 PM Subject: LRO: Mini quest-no Rover content > Please reply off-list. > > Does anyone have a link to a Mini page that just has a picture of a Mini > on it? > > I don't want Flash > I don't want frames > I don't want under construction > I don't want a bad link > > I just want a picture of a Mini and maybe a person standing next to it > for reference. > > http://www.minifreak.freeserve.co.uk/famous.htm > > is as close as I've come but there is no plain, simple, stock Mini on > the page > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:28:21 -0400 From: Gerald Subject: Re: LRO: RE: DC 3's Probably Greenvolle, Maine home of a well known Fly In for sea planes. On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 07:48:59 -0400, you wrote: > >>The set on the DC-3 in New England > >OK, I missed this - what DC3 on floats WHERE in New England? > >ROAD TRIP......8*) - -- Gerald ggg@mediaone.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:44:40 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: DC 3's >The set on the DC-3 in New England OK, I missed this - what DC3 on floats WHERE in New England? ROAD TRIP......8*) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:45:08 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: relay knock found? I never disturbed the lower retainer ring when I installed the new relay. Joe, get the ring on there - that will solve the problem. The inner diameter of the ring is a snug (almost driven) fit to the relay and is there to prevent the problem you're describing. If you don't have the ring, someone here may have one or there's always the other parts places. Don't shim anything till you've gotten the ring on - any shims you put in will likely over the fullness of time turn to rust...and then it's back again. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:49:22 -0400 From: "Matthew Wilson" Subject: LRO: RE: Painting a IIa Ron, I'm looking at Rustoleum Sage. It's a little lighter than the original Pastel Green, but relatively close. Matthew - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lro@works.team.net [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On Behalf Of RON WARD Sent: 11 April, 2001 11:03 To: lro@works.team.net Subject: LRO: Painting a IIa Hey, I have decided to hand paint my 88" and want a color close to pastel green. Now, about a week ago I was browsing around on the internet and recall seeing a picture of a young lady's 88" (on OVLR or ROAV site?) that had been painted the same color. The caption mentioned a Martha Stewart "garden collections," or something similar, paint color. Anyone recommend a variety or close color match in a rustoleum or other exterior paint that can be found at the Home Depot or someplace? Thanks Ron Ward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:51:21 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: coming from Yorkshire, Bill, you had enough trouble with English right? Best Cheers Frank By the way, Bill - last I was in York I had a couple of pints of Tetley's at the Monk Bar Hotel in your honor..... aj"Gooood beer....."r ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #330 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu Apr 12 15:15:02 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3CJF2N20706 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:15:02 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3CIAsX09687 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3CIAr809684 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11045 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3CHMqg04460 for lro-digest-gone; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:22:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:22:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200104121722.f3CHMqg04460@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #331 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, April 12 2001 Volume 01 : Number 331 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:59:11 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: MB Adapters It is *much* easier to find > an 8.5" 240D clutch > Clinton > > 2.25 Petrol Apostate How happy are you with an 8.5 inch clutch?. The land Rover has a 9.5. and doesn't have to handle the power of the 300 John and Muddy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:53:36 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: RE: Re: Changing RR coolant An economical (aka True LRO) substitute for RedLine Water Wetter is Jetdry dishwasher additive. OH? COOL! How is it on corrosiveness, though? ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:58:39 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Hand cranking and engine swaps Peter Oglive gloated: started on the 2nd crank despite having sat through a bitterly cold 68 degree night. Y'know, I hate you and the island you rode in on....8*) I've had to use the hand crank in anger one or two times - one of them being when the starter packed up in a motorway coffee stop on the way to Southampton. 40-odd year old truck, original wires, original points - and the bugger started on the third try! Not too shabby.... FYI - I know about the repeating messages - thanks - I fixed it - apologies to the list. ALan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:01:38 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: Shipfitters... There have been occasions when doubts have been cast. Trevor "Bionics and orthotics" Easton > well now, there's me and Trevor Easton, and probably others, who have bits > of metal inside there that our mummies and daddies never made for us... > > mind you, there are folk who don't think I'm human, how about you Trev ? > > Best Cheers > > Frank > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:05:43 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Coil Equivalent # Re: MG bits for LR: We were discussing distributors, but the coil for a Midget is the same as an LR.....internally ballasted. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:07:30 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: DC-3 Greenville, Maine? Wherethefratz is THAT? aj"8*)"r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:20:44 -0400 From: "Peter Thomson" Subject: LRO: paint G-Day, I was checking through my papers some time back when the paint subject came up to see if I could find the colour chart I had listing all the paint numbers up till the 80s, but it is nowhere to be found. We were repainting rovers in Australia years back and we got our paint from a company called "Wattle Paints "and we found that their colours at that time were just about spot on, they didn't have names just numbers. I carn't remember what year Land/Rover gave you a choise of colours but I do know at one time S/W/B was green L/W/B was Grey or Air Force Blue. I remember when I bought my new 88" in 1969 I couldn't belive it when they gave me a choise of colours and I picked Sand. I dodn't think those older paints are on the market any more because of their lead content etc. Peter. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Ogilvie To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:42 AM Subject: LRO: Re: Cameron Green??? > One of the colors for series rovers is Cameron Green. Can someone describe > this color. My 109 was originally a medium green, kind of a jade color. > Been trying to find out what the color is. It is not really a pastel color > so don't think its pastel green. The truck was repainted that institutional > pastel green that every school in the 50's was painted. That's how the > truck got the name 'slime'. See that there was a medium green that early > series I's were painted, could it be this color??? > > The truck is a 1966 109 regular originally outfitted as a fire truck with > pump on the front. > > Aloha > Peter Ogilvie > Kona Coffee Rover > 1970 88 soft top, 'huli' Mine since '84 but recovering > from exposure of the dark side. > 1966 109 pickup 'slime' In my garage since '90, finally up and running > 12/00. > 1965 88 parts car, slowly sinking into the lava. > 196? 88 hard top, possibly 'phoenix' if it rises, it will > certainly be from ashes or at least a pile of rust > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:27:42 -0400 From: Bill Adams Subject: Re: LRO: Marin, the Swedish Chef That's the most goddam hilarious thing I've seen in months. ROTFLMFAO!! - -- Bill Adams 3D & Motion Graphics Design Director International Broadcasting Bureau Washington, D.C. 202-205-9638 badams@ibb.gov '66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel '81 GoldWing '69 Le Sabre Convertible '63 Pearson Vanguard "Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:29:17 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: RE: LRO: Humanity... There have been occasions when doubts have been cast. Yes, usually by those of us who have met him..... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:34:00 -0500 From: "cde3" Subject: Re: LRO: DC-3 It is on Moosehead, a large lake in the northern part of the state. Beautiful area in the summer ( and winter if you like lots of snow!) Don Emery (formerly of Gardiner, Maine, now exiled in NW Indiana) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:07 AM Subject: Re: LRO: DC-3 > > Greenville, Maine? Wherethefratz is THAT? > > aj"8*)"r > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:53:56 -0400 From: Gerald Subject: Re: LRO: DC-3 52B 4.9 miles on heading 156 from the Squaw NDB. :-) On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:07:30 -0400, you wrote: > >Greenville, Maine? Wherethefratz is THAT? > > aj"8*)"r - -- Gerald ggg@mediaone.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:59:31 -0000 From: "G Spencer" Subject: LRO: Shuddering Well I fixed my zenith warp last night, makes a big difference, but now I have a new problem. While putting the truck back in the garage after a long "test" drive, the truck started shuttering while letting the clutch out in first. I put it in reverse, and I could hear metal banging in the engine compartment as I let the shuddering get worse to try to diagnose. It seems if I let the clutch out fast, there feels like some slight slippage, but if I east it out the truck starts bucking and shuddering. I'm at a loss, I don't know where to start trouble shooting. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Oh, it's a 95% 1970 Land Rover IIa (it has new sparking plugs, some rubber bits, and I have changed the various oils several times so it's not 100% :) Thanks, Graham 70 IIa _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:59:38 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: Hand cranking and engine swaps Marin, Early RRs have a hand crank and a crank hole in the front bumber for hand-starting the 3.5 V8...not sure when LR stopped equipping RRs that way. Marin said: "Of course it may not even be possible to hand-crank a V-8, 300 cu in. six, Iron Duke, etc., in which case creating the hardware to do it would be a waste of time." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:00:49 -0400 From: "M. Tompkins" Subject: LRO: Re: Mini quest I'm sure you'll get a kick out of the picture but I believe most of us would get more of a kick reading your review. Some LR content - I've had a few Minis when I was stationed in England. The last one I owned was in 1994, I believe it was an 1984, and had an 850 engine. At the time I also had a 1987 Harley Low Rider (FXLR) that had a 1350 engine. I went from driving that Mini to my hybrid 109. BTW, there are a few pictures of Minis on my web site. Look under the BCD events from 1999 and 2000. Cheers, Mike '66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/ Frank Elson wrote: > I've got a pic of me standing next to the first Mini ever made - after I had > just driven it. > D'you want me to hunt it out, scan and send it? > Best Cheers > > Frank > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:08:05 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: DC-3 OK - Mossehead Lake area - way the fratz up tin the boonies.... Not going to happen as a casual run...8*) aj"6 bloody hours from here...."r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:09:23 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: DC-3 Gerald mumbles: 52B 4.9 miles on heading 156 from the Squaw NDB. :-) And when I put wings on my 109 that will be really handy...... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:11:58 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Hand cranking and engine swaps Alan, How do you have your winch mounted? The Red Zit has the original mount (I think) for the Belleview which precludes hand cranking. Did you just mount your's on top of the bumper? Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:20:33 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Shuddering This is usually caused by oil on the clutch plates but also by broken antishudder springs in the clutch disc, Bad pilotshaft bushing and sticky linkage and all or any of the above. John and Muddy G Spencer wrote: > > Well I fixed my zenith warp last night, makes a big difference, but now I > have a new problem. While putting the truck back in the garage after a long > "test" drive, the truck started shuttering while letting the clutch out in > first. I put it in reverse, and I could hear metal banging in the engine > compartment as I let the shuddering get worse to try to diagnose. It seems > if I let the clutch out fast, there feels like some slight slippage, but if > I east it out the truck starts bucking and shuddering. I'm at a loss, I > don't know where to start trouble shooting. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Oh, it's a 95% 1970 Land Rover IIa (it has new sparking plugs, > some rubber bits, and I have changed the various oils several times so it's > not 100% :) > > Thanks, > Graham > 70 IIa > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:20:21 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel Frank, In weeks past there was some discussion of the future of this very popular UK BBC production. I thought it had died, like some of the cast members...but...I saw last night that Ballykissangel is returning to BBC America next week, with some new cast members to replace those who sadly passed on...have you been viewing it over there? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:51:50 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Hand cranking and engine swaps Marin, Early RRs have a hand crank and a crank hole in the front bumber for hand-starting the 3.5 V8...not sure when LR stopped equipping RRs that way. As do 101s wirth the same engine. You CAN start a RR so equipped on the hand crank....damn near killed myself, but it can be done. Actually, scratch that - it was the 3.9 I put in that I did that with. aj"Kicked HARD..."r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:13:18 +0100 From: "Steve Mace" Subject: Re: LRO: Shuddering Took me 2 years to sort this out on my SIII LtWt. I tried new engine mounts, new gearbox mounts, bleeding the clutch, adjusting clutch etc.... etc..... Turned out that the two bolts that secure the salve cylinder were loose. On 12 Apr 2001, at 12:59, G Spencer wrote: > Well I fixed my zenith warp last night, makes a big difference, but now I > have a new problem. While putting the truck back in the garage after a long > "test" drive, the truck started shuttering while letting the clutch out in > first. I put it in reverse, and I could hear metal banging in the engine > compartment as I let the shuddering get worse to try to diagnose. It seems > if I let the clutch out fast, there feels like some slight slippage, but if > I east it out the truck starts bucking and shuddering. I'm at a loss, I > don't know where to start trouble shooting. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. Oh, it's a 95% 1970 Land Rover IIa (it has new sparking plugs, > some rubber bits, and I have changed the various oils several times so it's > not 100% :) Steve 1972 SIII LtWt Green 1993 D90 Red - ------------------------------------- Name: Dr Steve Mace E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk www: http://www.solwise.co.uk Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate) Fax: 0845 458 4559 Intl. Fax. +44 1482 621877 - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:53:38 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Shuddering Clutch is on the way out, or oil-soaked. The one in my II sis the same thing before it eventually started to slip big-time. Another possibility if the clutch is fairly new is bad engine mounts, or transmission mounts. ajr1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:56:54 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Hand cranking and engine swaps Spool the cable off and use a longer crank handle through the fairlead... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:58:57 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel OK, who died in the cast? Oh, dear....there goes my Monday evenings.... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:22:21 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: DC-3 > Greenville, Maine? Wherethefratz is THAT? > > aj"8*)"r Hey, my dad has a house in Greeneville, so we all have a place to stay during this road trip. Well it's not really a house, more of a cabin, err maybe a shack. And if we go in the winter, will need snowmobiles to get to it. Will definately need the Series to make it if no snow on the ground. Oh and remember to bring a can of lpg or two for the stove and the lights, ohh and a toilet seat. The skunks/racoons/beavers (not sure which) will eat one if left in the out house. A gun is a good idea also, last time i was there a pack of coy dogs (wild dog/coyote pack) tore up some stuff. Was a pretty scary night, could hear them sniffing around, trying to find a way in. I would say scare the crap out of yah, but that would involve trecking to the outhouse, not a good plan. Greenville itself is a hoot. Got a date? Don't waste your money on dinner and a movie (because that involves a 2 hour round trip drive), oh no drive over to the dump to watch the bears. Did I mention the gun thing yet? The drive to Geenville is pretty awsome. Lots of great sites and you drive through some of Maines less known towns, Like Letter E, Letter K, and Letter L. Be carefull in Letter L though, you can get easily losts, there are those two raods ya know. Or worse yet, get caught up some of the gangland warfare going on between it's 13 residents. You think I am kidding? Look at a map and you will see that most of northern Maine is broken down into the towns Letter A through Letter Z. I ought to dig out a picture I took of myself in Letter E a few winters ago. Think thats about it. Hmm, maybe I wont go after all. But you are still welcome to use the cabin, no lock on the door so don't need my key. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:26:41 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Hand cranking and engine swaps Reminds me of a large diesel I encounted in my youth. I was around 8.5 litres and drove a water pump on a flow test rig. Hand cranked by lifting a decompression lever and winding up to some revs then progressively engaging cylinders. Very aerobic and exciting exercise. We also used to semi hand crank the 16 cyl Alco engine in the LRC locomotives when the batteries were not up to the job (often). Even more exciting as it was never designed for hand starting. Procedure was to open all the cylinder bleed cocks then using battery power and barring gear spin engine over. close cocks one by one. As cylinders started to fire the revs would increase and then some open cylinders would fire also so that the last eight or so bleed cocks were spouting flame as you reached up to close them. > You CAN start a RR so equipped on the hand crank....damn near killed > myself, but it can be done. Actually, scratch that - it was the 3.9 I put > in that I did that with. > > aj"Kicked HARD..."r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 01 07:26:56 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Hand cranking and engine swaps >Compression is the bane of hand-cranking. I would have really liked >to retain the ability to hand-crank my 109 after the conversion, but >the reality is that it would take two strong men and a boy to crank my >10.25:1 compression V8. (can you say "Fill 'er up with Premium"?) >You gain some things, and lose others when you change engines. You know in the 20 years I had a 2.25 engine in my LR I never once had occasion to use the hand crank. So I do not miss it in the slightest. Not being obsesed with raw power like Lonn & some others are ( I think 3X the rated 2.25L HP is acceptable performance), I ended up with the low compression version of the 302. And yes I can say "Fill'er up with regular please". And I can also look the coiler Land Rover owners straight and the eye and say "Is that all the fuel milage you get? And you only have how much HP?". I can almost do it with a straight face. And yes I can say hybrid TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 01 07:37:10 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: The great shock debate (U-bolts) >> ...There are some cheap poor strength 'U' bolts in the LR >> aftermarket. Either get US "u" bolts or genuine ones. > >I've had British u-bolts strip the thread easily and u-bolts from India >torque >down real hard. The latter were even coated with some enamel type of paint. >Before seeing this, i would have thought i was the other way round. Hard to say who is formulating what. I soft ones I got were British made too. The threads started stripping just a little over 40 pounds torque. I ended up getting new ex-Mod stock from P.A. Blanchard. But the US 4X4 people will absolutly not put up with that kind of junk, so US aftermarket 'U' bolt sources are safe bets. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 01 07:58:36 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Coil Equivalent # Any internally balasted coil should do. Or an externally balasted one with a ballast resister. Most people just get the Lucas Sports coil since it is the high voltage version of the original Lucas coil. Some people who don't mind buchering the originality of their car use the Bosch blue coil. But you would no longer have a real Land Rover if you did that. If you are going for concourse let me know and I will dig into the Lucas parts catalog I have filed away and dig up the correct Lucas number for the application. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 01 07:59:00 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Marin Faure >Hey come on guys, at least he takes the time and trouble to rant and it does >at least create some discussion. Give the guy break and I'm sure he'll >quieten down a little perhaps but not too much. Golly, about a year or so ago people were wondering about people that were not posting much if at all any anymore. I do recall multiple people wondering why Marin was so quiet and saying that they really liked his postings. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:30:35 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: RE: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel ajr asked: "OK, who died in the cast? Oh, dear....there goes my Monday evenings...." Names, you want names I bet...sheesh, I'm an old fart...I remember faces but not the names that go with 'em... OK let's see now...Tony Boyle(hey! I remembered one!), the rich RR driving golf course owner & Neih's father(pronounced 'Neve', but I haven't a clue why...); and the old short pig farmer, Danny's uncle (and also of 'Waking Ned Divine' fame). In the pre-quels, the young priest/assisstant pastor is gone (sure hope Orla, his looker sister stays on...), replaced by an Aussie priest from down under(now that's a long range transfer). Also shown are some new and old faces (the vet is one I remember). There's a preview on BBC America Easter Sunday night, the 15th, and the regular episodes begin Monday the 16th. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:38:07 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: MB-LR Adapter and cranks Alan wrote, >So, essentially, you're doing a Scotty's trick - replacing the arse end >of the motor with a flywheel cover that mimics the LR... I did not realize that was how Scotty did it. I got the idea after looking at a Steve Parker PUG diesel adapter kit... >Nice design Wait to tell me that after its build and running... > - that's got to be an interesting bit of CNC work. Actually, I think they are going to be dong it on a mucking huge lathe and milling machine. It is pretty basic maching... I am going to try to figure out a way to weld the bits of a starter dog onto the front pulley of the MB. IF that is not reasonable, then I will adapt a wobble bit to fit on the end of the hand crank to hold a deep socket to run into the pulley socket. I don't have any illusions about being able to hand crank a diesel, but I would miss the ability to wedge the engine around by hand. Besides, I need to have something to fill up those clips on the bulkhead behind the seat... Speaking of front pulleys, this engine has a removable/replaceable distance piece on the pulley where the front crank oil seal runs. Much like the pieces on a series stub shaft. Lots of nice little touches like that on this motor... Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:51:17 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: RE: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel Damn - bummer on Tony Boyle. he was one of the more pivotal players - definitely troublesome. This is going to be interesting. I like that show and Brit TV in general. With some very notable exceptions (Coronation Street), I find Britccoms and serials much more watchable than US TV. Anyone else here like "As Time Goes By"? ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:01:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Harder Subject: LRO: castoral brake fluid... i am having problem finding castoral lm5 brake fluid locally. is this still a requirement for british brake rubber or is that an urban myth. or is it that nobody knows and nobody wants to take a chance... Sincerely, Ray Harder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:12:46 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: MB-LR Adapter and cranks I am going to try to figure out a way to weld the bits of a starter dog onto the front pulley of the MB. Simple enough - if the damn thing uses a central nut (and most do as well as pulley bolts) then take a starter dog, mill off the old bolt and drill and thread it for a bit of allthread or a bolt end of the right pitch. A bit of Loctite and Bob's your uncle... OR If the threading on the end of the crank is of a small enough size in comparison to the LR starter dog (which wouldn't be a big surprise) then just machine the threads off the stud and rethread it. As LBSC would say, "A kiddie's practice job..."...and well within the capabilities of Hans and Frantz at your machine shop either way. Either way, no welding involved....much better that way. Welded anything that is under tension alweays makes me nervous....just a personal fetish. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:15:00 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: Coil Equivalent # At 07:58 12/04/01 -0700, TeriAnn Wakeman, wrote >Any internally balasted coil should do. Or an externally balasted one >with a ballast resister. > >Most people just get the Lucas Sports coil since it is the high voltage >version of the original Lucas coil. Some people who don't mind buchering >the originality of their car use the Bosch blue coil. But you would no >longer have a real Land Rover if you did that. > >If you are going for concourse let me know and I will dig into the Lucas >parts catalog I have filed away and dig up the correct Lucas number for >the application. I picked up a Lucas Sports this morning at what I think is the only British car repair outfit in town. Concourse? Not hardly bloody likely. I just want it to run reliably. Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:16:35 -0400 From: Perrone Ford Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid... Well.. its Castrol GT/LMA that you SHOULD be looking for!  :)

And I believe that the "castrol only" is a myth.  I am perfectly comfortable using other brake fluid.  I intend to change over to ATE blue with my next fluid change.

- -P

Ray Harder wrote:
i am having problem finding castoral lm5
brake fluid locally.  is this
still a requirement for british brake rubber or is
that an urban myth.  or is it that nobody knows
and nobody wants to take a chance...

Sincerely,

Ray Harder





------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:28:20 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid... is this still a requirement for british brake rubber or is that an urban myth. THis is NOT a myth as far as I am concerned and I ate the braking system to prove it. It was when I first owned Mr. C - had done all new seals and the like and flushed it with Pyroil DOT4 fluid. A week later I was doing it all again as the DOT 4 fluid had eaten my braking system. Never, never, never again will I put anything other than GT-LMA in my trucks. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:41:24 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid... On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Ray Harder wrote: : :i am having problem finding castoral lm5 :brake fluid locally. is this :still a requirement for british brake rubber or is :that an urban myth. or is it that nobody knows :and nobody wants to take a chance... I'd not want to take the chance. You're in columbia, right? I've bought GT/LMA there. I think it was a place on the west end of business 70, but I'm not sure, and it was a couple years ago. David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:44:27 -0400 From: Perrone Ford Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid... Thanks Alan...

What kind of truck do you have (series I am assuming).  I forgot to ask Ray what kind of truck he was running.  I have GOT to remember that this is a SERIES truck forum...

My apologies.

- -Perrone

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
 is this
still a requirement for british brake rubber or is
that an urban myth.

THis is NOT a myth as far as I am concerned and I ate the braking system to
prove it.

It was when I first owned Mr. C - had done all new seals and the like and
flushed it with Pyroil DOT4 fluid. A week later I was doing it all again as
the DOT 4 fluid had eaten my braking system.

Never, never, never again will I put anything other than GT-LMA in  my
trucks.

                         ajr





------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:45:33 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Coil Equivalent # >I picked up a Lucas Sports this morning at what I think is the only British >car repair outfit in town. Good choice - Mr. C has had one for years. Works great. >Concourse? Not hardly bloody likely. I just want it to run reliably. Amen, brother... aj"DELCO! DELCO! DELCO! 8*)"r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:51:11 EDT From: Lemurstew@aol.com Subject: LRO: Painting I have had excellent results by having having dupont centari mixed up in rattle cans. You get the original color, ease of touchups and its not to expensive. Much easier to get good results with rattle cans. If you are careful, you can get factory finish results or very close. Also, you'll save time over brush painting. - -Regards - -Ike Goss (1959 SII 88) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:52:43 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: MB-LR Adapter and cranks >Welded anything >that is under tension alweays makes me nervous....just a personal fetish. > > ajr You just haven't met the right welder, that's all. ;^] - -todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:52:17 -0400 From: Matt Peckham Subject: RE: LRO: castoral brake fluid... OK, Alan, I was about to replace all my wheel cylinders today, and put new shoes on. Is there anywhere around here to pick up the correct stuff? Matt - -----Original Message----- From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus To: lro@Works.Team.Net Sent: 4/12/01 12:28 PM Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid... is this still a requirement for british brake rubber or is that an urban myth. THis is NOT a myth as far as I am concerned and I ate the braking system to prove it. It was when I first owned Mr. C - had done all new seals and the like and flushed it with Pyroil DOT4 fluid. A week later I was doing it all again as the DOT 4 fluid had eaten my braking system. Never, never, never again will I put anything other than GT-LMA in my trucks. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:56:34 EDT From: Lemurstew@aol.com Subject: LRO: Galvanizing I have had just about every part on a rover dipped at some point and have had good luck doing it. Bulkheads turn out very nicely in my experience. I guess I appreciate the fact that I wont have to waste my time with rust in the future . . . .I'd rather be driving my truck anyway. - -Regards - -Ike Goss (1959 SII 88 Wagon) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:00:15 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Marin, the Swedish Chef Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:10:35 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: Marin, the Swedish Chef >I found a groovy website that converts text a good number of dialects. http://www.rinkworks.com/dialect/ I pasted Marin's latest post re. new vehicles in and selected "swedish chef." I'm flattered that you associated me with the Muppets Show, as it was one of the best-conceived, best-written, and best-executed television shows ever. Even their odd-ball characters like the Swedish Chef were very cleverly done. But although it's nice to be put on the same status as this show, I'm surprised you selected this production to insult me, as I would have thought the Muppets Show was far above your capacity to grasp. But perhaps one of your neighbors or your kids explained it to you. I would have expected you to superimpose me on top of something perhaps more to your ability to understand, say Baywatch, As the World Turns, or a Bud Lite commercial. Well, maybe not a Bud Lite commercial, as they are usually quite clever and require a modicum of intelligence to appreciate. Keep in mind that 99.999 percent of the world's population doesn't know or care that either one of us exist. Perhaps you can explain to me why I should be an exception in your case. But do so off-list as I'm guessing most of the participants here aren't all that interested. I look forward to your reply. Cheers. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:00:46 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid... And I believe that the "castrol only" is a myth.  I am perfectly comfortable using other brake fluid.  I intend to change over to ATE blue with my next fluid change. - -P Perrone, are you referring specifically to your Range Rover or is there another truck you're working with here? Rangies may well have later type seals - Series vehicles most definitely do NOT in the vast majority of cases. It's not worth the risk at the price. Uless you're doing silicone fluids (another kettle of fish i don't plan to stew) GT/LMA is the way to go. BTW, Pep Boys sells LMA in 1 liter bottles for about 5 bucks... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:02:44 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid... Thanks Alan... What kind of truck do you have (series I am assuming). Which one? 8*) Got 2 - an 88 and a 109. Both essentially original - the only mod on the 88 is a CD player mount bolted to the dashboard. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:07:06 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: MB-LR Adapter and cranks You just haven't met the right welder, that's all. ;^] - -todd _______ Considering I do all my own welding, you're right....... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:13:19 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: MB-LR Adapter and cranks Clinton, Have you seen Jim Young's website w/ his mercedes 240 diesel conversion? He might be a good person to contact if you are looking for some more specific advice. heres the URL: http://mercedesrover.freeservers.com/ regards, - -todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:15:21 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: RE: LRO: castoral brake fluid... Re: Where to get it: Look up the nearest Pep Boys - or there is an auto-parts place on 129 past the 38 Junction heading for 93 that has it - across from the Textron facilities if I remember correctly. NOTE: I know where Matt lives...and it's in my old stomping grounds.....8*) ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:21:58 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: MB-LR Adapter and cranks On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: : :You just haven't met the right welder, that's all. ;^] : :-todd :_______ : :Considering I do all my own welding, you're right....... : I trust you've read "Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments" in the "Journal of Personality and Social Psych." vol 77 no 6? (Available online at http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html ) - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #331 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu Apr 12 22:09:45 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3D29iN21832 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:09:44 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3D15bU24481 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3D15a824478 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@works.team.net [216.35.192.56]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08675 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3D0Vpo10048 for lro-digest-gone; Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:31:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:31:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200104130031.f3D0Vpo10048@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #332 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, April 12 2001 Volume 01 : Number 332 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:24:24 -0400 From: Perrone Ford Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid... I was referring to the Rangie, which is why I apologized and said I should have asked what type of truck.  Also why I mentioned that I need to be careful posting to the series list.

I DID get my LMA at Pep Boys and that is what is in my truck right now.

- -P

Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:
And I believe that the "castrol only" is a myth.  I am perfectly
comfortable using other brake fluid.  I intend to change over to ATE blue
with my next fluid change.

-P

Perrone, are you referring specifically to your Range Rover or is there
another truck you're working with here? Rangies may well have later type
seals - Series vehicles most definitely do NOT in the vast majority of
cases.

It's not worth the risk at the price. Uless you're doing silicone fluids
(another kettle of fish i don't plan to stew) GT/LMA is the way to go.

BTW, Pep Boys sells LMA in 1 liter bottles for about 5 bucks...

                    ajr

------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:39:05 -0700 From: "Dick Love" Subject: LRO: Fw: "Best of British" ride SoCal (USA) area 4/29/01 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Love" > Sunday 4/29/01 the SoCal section of the Vincent Owner's Club and the Morgan > +4 Club are co-sponsoring a 2/3/4 wheel ride/drive of the Malibu Hills and > the Pacific Coast Highway with a stop at the Rock Store and ending with a > lunch at a pub in the West San Fernando Valley. It's open to British bikes > and autos of all makes. Meet at Deidrich's coffee shop in Malibu at 10:30am. > Ride departs at 11:00. Contact me for details. I'll send you a flyer if you > want. Tell a friend. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:31:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: Marin the Swedish Chef: I'm going to te Oh Yeah?!... Yeah!....Oh Yeah?!....Yeah!...Oh Yeah?! ....Yeah!... Are too! Am not! Are too! Am not! Are too! Am not! I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna tell! Vell, isn't this a fine kettle uv lutefisk? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:43:46 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid... Sorry - our responses crossed in the mail - I replied long before your reply got to my address... aj"SImultaneity is a myth"r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:55:43 EDT From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com Subject: LRO: RE: Hand cranking and engine swaps - --part1_13.1422c5a2.2807461f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone fitted a Coffman starter to a Land Rover engine? Paul Donohue 1965 Land Rover 109 Denver - --part1_13.1422c5a2.2807461f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Has anyone fitted a Coffman starter to a Land Rover engine?

Paul Donohue
1965 Land Rover 109
Denver - --part1_13.1422c5a2.2807461f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:56:49 From: "Chris Oles" Subject: LRO: castoral brake fluid I just picked up some at a Pep Boys last Saturday. Any of those where you're at? Chris Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:01:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Harder Subject: ... i am having problem finding castoral lm5 brake fluid locally. is this still a requirement for british brake rubber or is that an urban myth. or is it that nobody knows and nobody wants to take a chance... Sincerely, Ray Harder _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:12:31 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Hand cranking and engine swaps Has anyone fitted a Coffman starter to a Land Rover engine? Paul Donohue Yes, but only when stuck in the desert and trying to revive the crashed bits of a C-87..... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:41:05 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Shipfitters... I'll go along with that Lee, just don't hit me too hard with the hammer ! Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Jones To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: RE: LRO: Shipfitters... > Hi Frank! > > I kinda look at my stent as a bailing wire fix and therefore is (in the Land > Rover sense) still a factory item - I believe that bailing wire, chewing > gum, hitting with a 4 pound sledge, and duct tape are all considered proper > fixes for a Land Rover and therefore for me as well! > > Lee > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lro@works.team.net [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On > Behalf Of Frank Elson > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:43 PM > To: lro@works.team.net > Subject: Re: LRO: Shipfitters... > > > well now, there's me and Trevor Easton, and probably others, who have bits > of metal inside there that our mummies and daddies never made for us... > > mind you, there are folk who don't think I'm human, how about you Trev ? > > Best Cheers > > Frank > +--+--+--+ > I !__| [_]|_\___ > I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV > "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus > To: > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:40 PM > Subject: Re: LRO: Shipfitters... > > > > > > her > > question was, if a person gets a mechanical heart, are they still human? > > How about a replacement heart from another person? How about a baboon > > heart? What makes a person a person? > > > > > > The question above all of that, Clinton, Is whether or not they were to > > begin with..... > > > > Parts is parts... > > > > ajr > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:52:32 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Changing RR coolant its always worth reverse flushing the whole system while changing the coolant. Get as much as you can out - in whatever way suits you best, then use the hose pipe on the radiator (put it in the bottom hole). also take out the thermostat and get that hose working again. that way, even if you haven't removed all the old coolant you will dilute it down to nothing with the hose. I had all sorts of overheating problems with my 1972 Range Rover. Tried all sorts as well, including twin electric fans. 'Mr Range Rover', Geoff Miller (who helped test the Range Rover and sorted out the Darien Gap problems) also tried a few ideas out... we even got close to putting cold air vents into the bonnet (hood) - something he'd worked on in the Sahara during testing. Eventually he said that it was just 'old Range Rover disease' which translates as, after so many years with indifferent coolant changes the ali block is just too furred up to carry the coolant around properly. Even using flushing compound didn't work. So it's either a new engine or don't tow anything and keep the revs down on warm days. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Faure, Marin To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:32 AM Subject: LRO: Re: Changing RR coolant > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:57:58 -0700 > From: "Lonn & Rhonda" > Subject: LRO: Re: Changing RR coolant > > >Maybe my RR will > like SAAB anti-freeze? Seems that any coolant designed for aluminum > blocked engines should work, but my SAAB tech is insistent on using > only genuine SAAB anti-freeze. Wonder why? > > Based on my conversations with the engine shop I deal with, it would > seem you are best off sticking with whatever the vehicle manufacturer > recommends. In the Jaguar URL that Perrone Ford posted > there are some comments in the article about why it's not > a good idea to switch coolant types in an engine that's been > run on one type for awhile. > > Obviously all the coolants sold in containers labeled > for a particular vehicle or engine manufacturer are not made by those > manufacturers. I suspect that, like batteries and VCRs, there are only > a few actual coolant manufacturers in the world. So it may well > be that the coolant sold under the Saab name is fine for a Range > Rover. But I think you should make real sure it is before you try it. > > According to the person I talked to at Solihull, the Rover V-8 is > pretty particular about having the right kind of coolant in it, in > the right condition. Old coolant is apparently pretty detrimental. > As another poster said, the anti-corrosion properties start to > fail as coolant gets older. Maybe not a big deal in an iron engine > but it seems to be a very big deal in an aluminum one. Now that > I've started siphoning the old coolant out of our Range Rover instead > of using the extremely messy, factory-recommended method of > removing the lower radiator hose, I've become much more > willing to change the coolant once a year, which from everything > I've been told is an important contributor to maximizing the engine's > life. > > Our '91 Range Rover came from the factory, or at least from the US distributor, > with Prestone in it, and that's what we've run ever since. We did have to > install a new radiator > a year or so ago, not because the original was leaking but because > it wasn't doing as efficient a job of cooling as it had. Upon removal, > we found that about a third of the front surface was plugged with dirt, bugs, > grass, etc. This had been hidden behind the air conditioning and > transmission fluid heat exchanger assemblies, and so wasn't apparent > until we actually removed the radiator. So that was certainly responsible for some > of the radiator's lost efficiency. However, I had been told by several Range Rover > mechanics that eight or nine years is about average for a Range Rover > radiator to go before starting to lose its effectiveness. In any event, > it's worth spraying water forward through the radiator periodically to > clear the crud that gets trapped in front if you do a lot of driving in > dusty, buggy, etc. conditions. > > >And what's the deal with the eco-anti-freeze that won't destroy Fido's > liver? Anybody have any experience with it? > > From what I've heard, it's certainly better for the environment, but it's still > a chemical, and as such still has some toxic qualities. I would take the > same precautions when draining a cooling system and disposing of the > old coolant as you would if you were using Prestone. I suspect that an > animal lapping at a puddle of Sierra won't suffer the same > consequences as they would at a puddle of Prestone, but that's not to > say nothing will happen to them at all. Nor do I know what a Sierra-type > coolant will do in the ground water or in a pond, but I suspect it's not > good. Probably just not as bad as a Prestone-type coolant. > ___________________________ > C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:32:20 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: LRO: More on coil stuff Well, I really did want to get the Lucas Sports coil on after hearing about its benefits and because I was convinced that the existing coil had failed. But turns out that I have the screw in type of leads and the Sports needs push in. I had been convinced that the coil was at fault because when the engine failed last night I spent ten minutes replacing the condenser, points and rotor and still got no ignition. So this morning, back in with the old coil after scraping the lead and coil contacts nice and shiny (they were badly oxidized), and another look at the Green and Haynes manuals for ideas, whereupon I discovered that I had improperly secured the condenser and LT wires to the contact breaker terminal. Having put that right I was able to start instantly. Rick Grant Rick Grant Communications International Media and Crisis Management Calgary - Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:06:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: overdrive decals If interested in an Overdrive by Superwinch oval decal, please contact me off list. Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:51:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Harder Subject: Re: LRO: castoral brake fluid i am going to order 3 bottles from british victoria in kcmo -- that is the plan. i called all around, none locally no pep boys in town. ray On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Chris Oles wrote: > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:56:49 > From: Chris Oles > Reply-To: lro@works.team.net > To: lro-digest@works.team.net > Subject: LRO: castoral brake fluid > > I just picked up some at a Pep Boys last Saturday. Any of those where > you're at? > > Chris > > > Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:01:07 -0500 (CDT) > From: Ray Harder > Subject: ... > > i am having problem finding castoral lm5 > brake fluid locally. is this > still a requirement for british brake rubber or is > that an urban myth. or is it that nobody knows > and nobody wants to take a chance... > > Sincerely, > > Ray Harder > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > Sincerely, Ray Harder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:58:23 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: LR-MBZ related stuff First off, the parking brake light on my 300D started acting up last week, flickering on and off at random intervals sometimes when hitting bumps in the road etc. I tried pulling the parking brake lever while toeing the pedal up to no avail. Put it down to screwy electrics and decided to fix it later. You know, probably a bad ground, loose connection with the pedal switch etc. It NEVER ocurred to me that the blasted thing was doing what it was designed to do, telling me that the brake fluid was low in one of the resevoirs... ;-) John asks... >How happy are you with an 8.5 inch clutch?. The land Rover has a 9.5. >and doesn't have to handle the power of the 300 Right you are. However, the engine under question is a 240D, not a 300D, and as far as being happy/unhappy, it is not in the truck yet.... Tho' I know of several converted 300Ds running around with 4 speed standard shifts from 240Ds that have been running well for in excess of 100,000 miles. The 300D only puts out between 77 and 88 hp, depending on the year (turbo is much more powerful). And, Jim Young has been running his setup quite happily for over a year now (to answer another question). He and I have been in fairly close communication over this engine swap since before it was actually running... Alan suggests... >Simple enough - if the damn thing uses a central nut It does. I had thought of the rethreading options as well. Welding is a last option if I cannot make the thing work any other way... It would be pretty cool to be able to crank start a diesel. Just call me Popeye... I have seen starter crank holes in the bumpers of diesel LWB Land Cruisers, no idea whether folks were supposed to be able to crank them or not. Maybe it is just something to get excess energy from the kids. Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:26:50 -0400 From: William L Leacock Subject: LRO: Spelling Frank writes - coming from Yorkshire, Bill, you had enough trouble with English right? Ee ba gum Frank, thats reet int it! Regards from Western New York State Bill Leacock. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:02:40 -0400 From: William L Leacock Subject: LRO: Castrol Ray writes i am having problem finding castoral lm5 brake fluid locally. You will have trouble findinhg this product any where in the world, look for Castrol! - grin Regards from Western New York State Bill Leacock. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:47:16 -0400 From: William L Leacock Subject: LRO: AJR Al writes By the way, Bill - last I was in York I had a couple of pints of Tetley's at the Monk Bar Hotel in your honor.... Sadist !!!! Regards from Western New York State Bill Leacock. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:59:50 -0400 From: William L Leacock Subject: LRO: U Bolts >I've had British u-bolts strip the thread easily and u-bolts from India >torque >down real hard. The latter were even coated with some enamel type of paint. >Before seeing this, i would have thought i was the other way round. How do you know they were made in Britain? Purchased in Britain or supplied from Britain is not the same as "Made in Britain" Supplied in a Bearmach box does not mean Made in Britain, supplied in a Rover box does not mean Made in Britain either. (There used to be a place in China called England, so goods could be labelled Made in England.) A friend of mine used to make compter products in Israel labelled' Made in USA" I have some U bolts that were made in Britain, I know because I made them in Britain, but I don't know if the steel was British Steel, even though it was AQD released! YPYMATYC. Regards from Western New York State Bill Leacock. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:18:15 +0100 From: Paul Subject: Re: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel In article , John Tackley wrote: > Tony Boyle(hey! I remembered one!), > Not quite. Its Tony Doyle. And sadly, he passed away recently. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:05:12 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: fuel tanks This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0C361.F8DC3900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did I read one of the emails correctly where someone (I think it was = Marin) stated that there is a protective plate under the fuel tank? I = looked at mine last night and found nothing but a ton of scratches and = dings from the P.O. =20 Just wondering. Rich - ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0C361.F8DC3900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Did I read one of the emails correctly where someone (I think it = was Marin)=20 stated that there is a protective plate under the fuel tank?  I = looked at=20 mine last night and found nothing but a ton of scratches and dings from = the=20 P.O. 
 
Just wondering.
 
Rich
- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0C361.F8DC3900-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:48:08 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Shuddering Steve wrote: >>>Turned out that the two bolts that secure the salve cylinder were loose.<<< one loose and one missing has the same affect... ask me how I know! Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:45:24 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel Hi John, yes we've been watching the new series of BallyK - complete with Australian priest who drives a Ford Granada Ghia Coupe. It is definitely the last series tho' - so they say but there's been quite a campaign going to keep it so who knows? My opinion only, it's gone back to being as good as the first series. Of course we all miss Tony Doyle who died last year. I've had a personal mail in with Marin - we often discuss television off list - but I'd appreciate anyone's views on the very first of the series. I won't say why until you've seen it. Biggest bummer is Peak Practice which I understand you lot didn't get after the first series. In a later series a young doctor came in driving a Ser3. The UK Ser3 Club sent him a sticker at my suggestion and the vehicle wore it in later programmes. Don't ask what happened to the character (and vehicle) but the actor now owns his own Land Rover! We have a cable channel here called BBC Knowledge - all history and architecture programmes. One day this week I watched a programme about tracing a family after building work found a grave - the presenter drove a ragtop Ninety. The next programme was about the Martello Towers built to resist a Napoleonic invasion - the presenter drove a hardtop Ninety. The next programme was about the Industrial Revolution - the presenter drove a 110... They were all oldish and therefore quite probably personal vehicles. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tackley, John To: 'lro@works.team.net' Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel > > Frank, > > In weeks past there was some discussion of the future of this very popular > UK BBC production. I thought it had died, like some of the cast > members...but...I saw last night that Ballykissangel is returning to BBC > America next week, with some new cast members to replace those who sadly > passed on...have you been viewing it over there? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:36:12 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Mini quest I wrote the review years ago. It was a press day at Gaydon, before it opened. Loads of toys to play with. Virtually everything they had that drove. Of course I drove the first Land Rover (HUE), the Darien Gap Range Rover, the Mini, Paddy Hopkirk's Monte Carlo winning Cooper S - which after thirty years or so wasn't as quick as my own Cooper S - just loads and loads. What a great, great day. It's a tough job but somebody has to do it. On my way to the MG launch next month... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: M. Tompkins To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: LRO: Re: Mini quest > I'm sure you'll get a kick out of the picture but I believe most of > us would get more of a kick reading your review. > > Some LR content - I've had a few Minis when I was stationed in > England. The last one I owned was in 1994, I believe it was an > 1984, and had an 850 engine. At the time I also had a 1987 Harley > Low Rider (FXLR) that had a 1350 engine. I went from driving that > Mini to my hybrid 109. > > BTW, there are a few pictures of Minis on my web site. Look > under the BCD events from 1999 and 2000. > > Cheers, > Mike > '66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW > http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/ > > > Frank Elson wrote: > > > I've got a pic of me standing next to the first Mini ever made - after I had > > just driven it. > > D'you want me to hunt it out, scan and send it? > > Best Cheers > > > > Frank > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:00:44 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: TO: Frank E./other UK listers...Ballykissangel Alan writes:<< definitely troublesome.<<< it was 'Doyle'...and one of the best actors on British television for many years, a Policeman in one show, an IRA activist in another, a working class docker in one and a multi-millionaire businessman in another - and yet Bally K made him an 'overnight star' - his daughter is in the new Bally K - his real daughter I mean. >>> This is going to be interesting. I like that show and Brit TV in general. > With some very notable exceptions (Coronation Street)<<< uh ho - NOW you're for it. If I was to tell that to the beloved Marjorie there'd be a contract out on you tomorrow. We KNOW those folk in Corrie - they are our neighbours and found in every town in the North, not even allowed to answer the phone while it's on...and there's a Land Rover in it... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:20:05 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: More on coil stuff If it feels any better you are certainly not the first to do that. John and Muddy Rick Grant wrote: > > Well, I really did want to get the Lucas Sports coil on after hearing about > its benefits and because I was convinced that the existing coil had failed. > > But turns out that I have the screw in type of leads and the Sports needs > push in. > > I had been convinced that the coil was at fault because when the engine > failed last night I spent ten minutes replacing the condenser, points and > rotor and still got no ignition. > > So this morning, back in with the old coil after scraping the lead and coil > contacts nice and shiny (they were badly oxidized), and another look at the > Green and Haynes manuals for ideas, whereupon I discovered that I had > improperly secured the condenser and LT wires to the contact breaker > terminal. Having put that right I was able to start instantly. > Rick Grant > > Rick Grant Communications > International Media and Crisis Management > Calgary - Ottawa > www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:43:23 +0200 From: "S. Vels" Subject: Re: LRO: U Bolts William L Leacock wrote: > How do you know they were made in Britain? Purchased in Britain or As far as i remember there was a "Made in England" sticker on the bag. Could be wrong though. It's been years since i bought them. But i certainly remember the "Made in India" sticker. Apart from that, you are of course right. > YPYMATYC. Gesundheit. rgds sv/aurens - signing off for a weeks vacation. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:31:31 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: Peace and Love Hey everyone, I just wanted to say publicly that my post using the dialogizer to convert Marin's post into Swedish Chef dialect was not at all intended as an attack on Marin. I found that site and thought I'd type something in and convert it and post it for humor value. Then I thought, "what if I take a recent wordy post and convert it?" So, I dug through the last five or so messages received, and there was Marin's nice paragraph discussing the merits of old cars. Viola! I apologize for causing any unnecessary tension (goodness knows we have enough necessary tension here). And for those of you who were able to enjoy it w/o perceiving it as an attack, congratulations. If I weren't heading out the door for the evening I'd convert this very post into a dialect, perhaps "redneck" or "jive" and post it just to show how fun (and non-confrontational) this can be. bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:57:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom Rowe" Subject: LRO: 300TDI...price? Greetings. Any of the folks in the UK know about what a new 300tdi sells for? I mean just an engine. Thanks Tom Rowe Atlanta, GA Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:28:29 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: Re: LRO: fuel tanks - --------------ED5AF78E936E4E3D95746C13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know, I was concerned about not having plates under my tank too. Someone said to remove a plate to be able to paint the tank. I have two tanks, one each side and neither has anything under it except a lot of dents and scratches. It must have been knocked off!!! My next concern, one that I have not tackled yet is that the gear oil drains on both differentials have been smeared flat against the casing by being dragged against their will over rocks for years. You cannot see the edge, or the slot any more. How the hell am I supposed to undo those when I come to put oil in there!!!!!! She's had a hard life for sure, I know that because the last owner told me as I bought her "she's had a hard life, this one" which is always a giveaway. He owned her since new and did all the "upgrades" that I am now fixing. The 5.25 liter V8 is the tip of the iceberg. You should see where the clutch master cylinder is! He pointed at the engine and cocked his head at me and said "don't try to get that old engine running, because it's screwed, you'll need to replace it. I know........I screwed it!!" This was after 16 years of sitting in the woods below his house. 16 summers over 100 degrees and 16 winters of being buried in snow. Well she needed a little cleaning, but she is running as I have mentioned in previous posts. The decision about wether the engine needs to be rebuilt or not will be left until I have got the tanks back in and the hydraulics for the clutch and brakes back on. Next week will be an eye-opener, because I will be able to drive her a little. She will be drooling all manner of colored fluids, but she will drive. Green from the water pump, black from the engine (old oil) and probably red from all four wheels. Once running and drivable, with the fenders still off, I will trailer her up the road to a mechanic friend of mine who will go right through her from top to bottom, tuning, fixing, making, replacing and me paying. I am "in" her nothing, so I have allowed myself $4000 to spend fixing her up because that is what she will be worth when done. It is frustrating but fun as you well know. Bored at work, nobody is buying planes today, so I thought I'd ramble a bit to kill the time, sorry if anyone was bored too. Mark Pilkington Rich Williams II wrote: > Did I read one of the emails correctly where someone (I think it was > Marin) stated that there is a protective plate under the fuel tank? I > looked at mine last night and found nothing but a ton of scratches and > dings from the P.O. Just wondering. Rich - --------------ED5AF78E936E4E3D95746C13 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know, I was concerned about not having plates under my tank too.  Someone said to remove a plate to be able to paint the tank. I have two tanks, one each side and neither has anything under it except a lot of dents and scratches. It must have been knocked off!!! My next concern, one that I have not tackled yet is that the gear oil drains on both differentials have been smeared flat against the casing by being dragged against their will over rocks for years. You cannot see the edge, or the slot any more.  How the hell am I supposed to undo those when I come to put oil in there!!!!!!  She's had a hard life for sure, I know that because the last owner told me as I bought her "she's had a hard life, this one" which is always a giveaway. He owned her since new and did all the "upgrades" that I am now fixing. The 5.25 liter V8 is the tip of the iceberg.  You should see where the clutch master cylinder is!  He pointed at the engine and cocked his head at me and said "don't try to get that old engine running, because it's screwed, you'll need to replace it.  I know........I screwed it!!" This was after 16 years of sitting in the woods below his house. 16 summers over 100 degrees and 16 winters of being buried in snow.  Well she needed a little cleaning, but she is running as I have mentioned in previous posts. The decision about wether the engine needs to be rebuilt or not will be left until I have got the tanks back in and the hydraulics for the clutch and brakes back on.  Next week will be an eye-opener, because I will be able to drive her a little.  She will be drooling all manner of colored fluids, but she will drive. Green from the water pump, black from the engine (old oil)  and probably red from all four wheels.  Once running and drivable, with the fenders still off, I will trailer her up the road to a mechanic friend of mine who will go right through her from top to bottom, tuning, fixing, making, replacing and me paying. I am "in" her nothing, so I have allowed myself $4000 to spend fixing her up because that is what she will be worth when done.  It is frustrating but fun as you well know.
Bored at work, nobody is buying planes today, so I thought I'd ramble a bit to kill the time, sorry if anyone was bored too.
Mark Pilkington

Rich Williams II wrote:

Did I read one of the emails correctly where someone (I think it was Marin) stated that there is a protective plate under the fuel tank?  I looked at mine last night and found nothing but a ton of scratches and dings from the P.O. Just wondering. Rich
- --------------ED5AF78E936E4E3D95746C13-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:33:54 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: LRO Enthusiast Magazine or... ...in search of a decent Land Rover mag. Does anyone get this newish mag? If so, what is it like? I stopped getting landyporn a couple of years ago as the content-advert ratio in LRO and LRW was getting pretty high. Besides, I was getting tired of reading about all the funky things one could do with Freelanders... Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:07:25 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: High lift jack storage I was looking at the rear crossmember on my 109 last night, thinking that it almost looks like Land Rover deliberately designed the thing to catch grit, salt and mud to enhance the corrosion potential. Then started to think, why not replace the whole thing with a beefy piece of rectangular tube. Then started to think, what could fit into that big rectangular tube. And thought, aHa! A high lift jack would fit in there, and with a good sealable door, it would stay dry... Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:03:14 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: 127" turning radius compared to a 109" Just curious, I know the coilers have a sharper turning radius than the leafers. Does anyone know firsthand how tight the 127/130 trucks are compared to a standard 109? Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:35:21 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: Looking for Vehicle Dependent Expedition Guide Does anyone know where there is a used copy of this book for sale (in North America, or preferably Canada...)? Or, where to find it other than at a land rover dealership? I have had no luck with Chapters or Amazon or alibris. Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 01 17:05:34 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: fuel tanks >Did I read one of the emails correctly where someone (I think it was >Marin) stated that there is a protective plate under the fuel tank? I >looked at mine last night and found nothing but a ton of scratches and >dings from the P.O. The factory tank has a second bottom plate for extra strength. Of course rust likes to start at seams along the extra plate too. The common aftermarket fuel tank ( seam around the side at the middle, about half the price as the genuine artical) does not have a second protective plate. I don't remember anyone mentioning holing an aftermarket tank. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 01 17:05:16 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: U Bolts >> How do you know they were made in Britain? Purchased in Britain or > >As far as i remember there was a "Made in England" sticker on the bag. Could >be wrong though. It's been years since i bought them. Mine had little made in England stickers on the sides. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 02:27:02 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: fuel tanks > I know, I was concerned about not having plates under my tank too. > Someone said to remove a plate to be able to paint the tank. I have two > tanks, one each side and neither has anything under it except a lot of > dents and scratches. It must have been knocked off!!! Aloha Mark and Rich. Believe that was me. Seperate the plate from the tank, to paint and prevent future rust. You have the plate also, if you don't then the tank is only held in place by the inlet hose, or you have some custom after market jobby. The 'plate' is a 14-16 piece that gets welded to the bottom of the fuel tank, gets a few bends in her, and has the holes drilled in it to mount to the chassis. I definately is NOT a skid plate. It's more like a 'catch water and mud till the bottom of the tank rusts through' plate. Pete ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #332 **********************************************