From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue Apr 10 03:52:56 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3A7qtN08698 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:52:55 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3A6mgC08528 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3A6mf808525 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA27828 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3A64kN13494 for lro-digest-gone; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:04:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 02:04:46 -0400 Message-Id: <200104100604.f3A64kN13494@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #324 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Tuesday, April 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 324 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:07:44 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Re: radiators Speaking of radiators, I am looking at re-coring my Series II radiator. But that is the same as replacing the whole thing with a IIa radiator from RN. Any advantages/disadvantages to going one way or the other. FWIW I would be recoring with what they call an MX core. Rich Williams Series II 109 SW - ----- Original Message ----- From: William L Leacock To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: LRO: radiators > Winn, the core of the 2.25 and 2.6 L rads are the same. There is a > difference in the inlet /outlet pipe positions. ISTR that the top > connection is at the side on the 2.6 and in the center on the 2.25 > The core is 439 mm between headers, 458 wide and 52 mm deep, ( 3 row - > 10 fins per inch) or 73 mm deep on the ser2. There are a number of > factors to be considered when comparing performance, the type and the > spacing of the fin (fin density) are significant. I believe that the > core thickness was reduced when the fin was changed to a higher > performance type. > > Regards from Western New York State > > Bill Leacock. > > aged 21 (33 times) > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:29:26 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Series Fuel tanks Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:45:44 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: LRO: Series Fuel tanks >Can anyone suggest a way to clean out and seal a series land rover's fuel tanks if they do not leak, but have a lot of loose scale and debris inside. Is there a cunning sealant you can slosh around in there and tip out leaving a perfectly clean and rust protected tank? >From what you told me awhile back about the business you're in, I suspect you may have a possible solution to your problem on the shelf in your hangar. Aircraft fuel tank sloshing compound might do what you want. It's a liquid that's designed to be poured into a tank, then the tanks turned every whichway to distribute the material on all inner surfaces. When it dries, it forms a sort of vinyl- like coating on the inside of the tank that's impervious to fuel. It's purpose is to seal seeping seams in a fuel tank, but I would imagine you can use it for the purpose you describe. Obviously, you have to remove the fuel tank from the plane or vehicle in order to use the stuff. It's a multi-step process, and the instructions are on the can. I can't remember how clean the inside of the tank has to be, however. It may be that it won't adhere properly to a dirty, rusted, or scaly surface. The can will tell you that. I used sloshing compound to seal up a number of pinholes I had in my original fuel tank. Series fuel tanks tend to rust from the outside in because of moisture that gets trapped in the dirt that builds up between the tank and the skidplate underneath it. My tank was actually quite clean and shiny on the inside even after ten years or so. But rust had attacked the bottom. I used the sloshing compound, and it did a good job. Unfortunately, my tank was deteriorating rapidly, and in about a year it started to seep fuel again. I replaced it with a new tank, but was careful to apply heavy coats of primer and black Rustoleum to the tank before I installed it. It's been almost twenty years since I installed the second tank, and so far it has held up perfectly. If you simply want to remove the dirt and debris on the inside, I suppose a strong solvent would be the way to go. Or you could dump in some coarse gravel and rattle that around in there for awhile to loosen the scale and whatnot first. We used this technique on a road grader fuel tank in Colorado, and it seemed to work great. Gravel is large enough to get all of it out, as opposed to sand or some other finer abrasive. If you decide to do this, it's imperative that you get all the loosened crud out, as if you leave any in there, it can do a neat job of clogging your fuel filters in a big hurry. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:52:07 -0700 From: christian147@juno.com Subject: Re: LRO: Distibutors Its not that difficult to swap weights and springs from the used dist. to the new, just keep the spring and its weight together. Chris hall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:48:37 -0400 From: "M. Tompkins" Subject: Re: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium wow, what a notice. wonder how many lawyers actually own a series vehicle and take passengers along. can you imagine being a passenger and signing your name on some huge releasability of liability document. is this what our country has turned into? Mike '66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/ SJH wrote: > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are > intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any > attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have > received this message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone > at (503) 223-4131, and permanently delete the original and any copy of > this message. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:52:34 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:34:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard: WAAAY OT >Kids tend to shed less than dogs, depending on the dog, and the kid. Good, point, particularly with my dog, a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever (five points to anyone on this list who has even HEARD of a Duck Toller. It's a real breed, by the way.) >Marin, as Lou Reed once sang, think of it as raising your own pallbearers. Also a good point. But as to the question people always ask adults without kids, "who's going to take care of you when you're old," my answer (and the answer of all the mostly kid-less people I work with), is "your kid's taxes." >So its all very well to say the world is going to hell in a handbasket and kids these days are the worst, etc, but it is more credible of the person saying it is also trying to do something about it. And I am sure you are. The problem is time. I don't have any for anything outside of what I'm already doing. This is one reason my wife and I decided not to have kids, as with all our activities we didn't feel we could give children the attention they need, and we weren't willing to give up our activities to do so. So we figured if we can't do it right, we won't do it at all. > But when it comes to bad kids? Blame the parents and the kids themselves, once they reach a certain (I think fairly young) age. Not society, not the schools. Not the Gov'mint. I'm not sure I'd even blame the kids, at least not at a young age. I've heard and read countless times that whatever you're going to be in terms of basic values and attitudes, it's pretty much set by the time you're five or six. Assuming that's true, the burden's pretty much entirely on the parents, it seems to me. >But all that said about making the future rosier, I did buy a gas powered weed whacker yesterday.... I don't think you could do that if you were in California. I believe you can no longer buy two-stroke anythings in California, mowers, weed whackers, outboard motors, etc. Personally, I'm using as much fossil fuel as I possibly can in every piece of machinery I use. I figure the only way man is going to buckle down and come up with a better, cleaner, more efficient, environmentally friendly fuel source is when he is faced the absolute crisis of having no more fuel. Only then will he step up to the plate. So the faster we burn up the world's supply of fossil fuel, the better. I am doing my share- the plane I fly burns 25 gallons an hour, and I drive a Land Rover and a Range Rover, two of the most fuel-inefficient vehicles one can come up with. Our pickup gets squat for mileage, and I put a higher-performance engine control computer in my BMW 635csi which knocked at least five mpg off the economy of the thing, which was none too good to begin with. See, that's another reason against Land Rover hybrids with engine conversions. You might accidentally put in an engine that gets better mileage, and will thus be delaying the day when man is forced to use his brain enough to come up with a better energy source. So all you conversion freaks out there- you're making the planet worse, not better. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:53:01 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: amazing Landrover But that isn't the one that seemed to do best on the course. The final winner was picked by points from several catagories, the trail being just one of them. The one that I'm talking about had the least articulation of all the rovers and seemed almost stock. Mike's was sweet looking, but I think the other guy was a better driver. Jeff Gauvin wrote: > > >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:55:04 -0700 > >From: "Jim Hall" > >Subject: Re: LRO: Re: amazing Landrover > > > >Well, I got video of some of the twist off. My battery died before the > >competition was over. Unfortunately, Timm didn't make it either, so it > >was all D-90's. Funny part is the one that seemed to do the best on the > >"obstacle course" which was a section of 21 road, was the most stock. > > "Most Stock" Eh? Well, maybe, but that ain't saying much! > > Vehicle - 1995 Defender 90 (originally a soft top) > Modifications > Custom paint > Custom hard top > 4 point internal roll cage > Custom made chassis, with off road protection items built in, and then > galvanized (Maine winters you know) > 300 Tdi (turbo diesel) engine with a Phase 2 intercooler, custom fueling > and custom set up injection pump > R380 5 speed gearbox > LT230 1.4 transfer case > Underdrive > 4.11 ring and pinions > 35" Super Swamper Radials > Defender 130 steel wheels > ARB lockers front and rear > 30 spline rear axles > 24 spline HD front axles, with modified 1 ton CV joints > Modifed ARB front bumper > Warn HS9500 winch > Modifed Safari Gard Stage III suspension with modifed 3 link > Aux. lights, raised breathers, intake, recovery points, engine driven > compressor, tie rod guard, HD drag link, etc. > > -- > Jeff Gauvin > '94 D90 - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 17:54:28 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:06:41 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard >Anyway, if this topic is going to persist, I've got a brain twister for you. If I have a Bronco and a IIa and I swap the engines and bodies from one to the other and vice versa, which one is which? Neither is neither. You have two hybrids, one based on a Bronco and one based on an SIIa. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:05:46 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard >Good, point, particularly with my dog, a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever >(five points to anyone on this list who has even HEARD of a Duck Toller. >It's >a real breed, by the way.) Alright!! What can I get with my points?? Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:08:35 -0400 From: "Larry Smith" Subject: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) Ok folks, we've talked about Land Rovers, coffee, boats, planes, etc. I have a birthday coming up and have an unfulfilled fantasy. I want a ride in a DC-3/C-47. Don't care whether I go as passenger or cargo (Hey I retired after 22 years in the Army - I'm used to going as cargo!) I've ridden in a lot of military aircraft, but never one of these. Anyone know of a Charter or Scheduled flying, preferably on or near the East Coast, I can hook up with? If so, please respond off list. Thanks for the band width. Larry Smith Chester, VA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:10:19 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: What is LR ownership about (was LR-bodied bastard) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:18:04 +0100 From: "Neil Brownlee" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard >Can we please STOP THIS THREAD. Someone is going to get offended. Marin's comment about children offended me...A LOT. Even if people are jesting, it's just not right, this is not what Land Rover ownership is about. And, what, pray tell, IS Land Rover ownership about? I don't recall anything in my SIII owners manual describing that, and I know there's no section in the factory service manual covering ownership. So how would you define it? That's not a challenge or snide comeback; I'd be interested to know just what you (and anyone else who wants to comment) think owning a Land Rover means. Any Series Land Rover- stock, accessorized to the max, hybrid, any of them. I know what it means to me, what does it mean to you? >Please, can we just cease this thread? And all "just get along?" Sounds kind of boring.... PS. I'm curious about your e-mail address. "metalthrasher.screaming" doesn't seem to jibe with a post containing a degree of sensitivity. Or does it refer to an industry? When we filmed in New Zealand a couple of years ago, we got a kick out of the term used there (and other places we found out) for auto body repair shops. They're called "panel beaters." That's great, it should become the universal term. Much better than "body shop." ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:11:37 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard >Neither is neither. You have two hybrids, one based on a Bronco >and one based on an SIIa. >___________________________ >C. Marin Faure Well I knew you'd say that and some people will say that they're whatever the owner says they are. I want to know what the other folks think. Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:13:32 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: LRO: Fwd: Power (Nucular!!) - --- Robert Ries wrote: > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:07:28 -0700 (PDT) > From: Robert Ries > Subject: Power (Nucular!!) > To: uk-lro@works.team.net > > Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:38:34 -0500 (CDT) > From: David Scheidt > Subject: UK-LRO: Re: LRO: Power > > Read "Know Nukes" by James Hogan in his collection "Minds, > Machines > :and Evolution". By the way, the glass bricks/desert storage > idea was > :cribbed from Spyder Robinson/R.A. Heinlein/Larry Niven or > one > of their > :ilk. Apologies for non-attribution.. mea culpa! (If you > have > to ask > :who these people are, you really need to look outside your > own > head.) > > It's also unworkable. Storage of nuclear waste needs to be > safe > > for longer > than one can expect people to be able to read the signs. > > - -- > dscheidt@tumbolia.com > Bipedalism is only a fad. > > > > > > If we breed ourselves out of the ability to read, we deserve > to > fry... > > > ===== > Robert D. Ries > SSgt, USAF > Burwell, England > "With friends like these..." > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:34:47 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Since you asked - C-47 Larry, When is the next time you'll be in California? Can't help out with a C-47 on the Atlantic Coast but probably can get you on one in California. Rich SII 109SW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Smith To: Land Rover Owner Net Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) > Ok folks, we've talked about Land Rovers, coffee, boats, planes, etc. > > I have a birthday coming up and have an unfulfilled fantasy. I want a ride > in a DC-3/C-47. Don't care whether I go as passenger or cargo (Hey I > retired after 22 years in the Army - I'm used to going as cargo!) I've > ridden in a lot of military aircraft, but never one of these. > > Anyone know of a Charter or Scheduled flying, preferably on or near the East > Coast, I can hook up with? If so, please respond off list. > > Thanks for the band width. > > Larry Smith > Chester, VA > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:48:01 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: Oh, the humanity! ajr intones: Parts is parts... Exactly right. As much as I would love to provoke more knee-jerk responses, I will, in the interests of the list, refrain... So, when you compare the pertronix with the Crane, does the pertronix look more robust than the Crane system? My installation ran just fine for 20,000 miles, but I was constantly peeking a jaundiced eye under the dizzy cap to see if the gimcracky little screw and arm thingy was still in place. The darned thing never shifted, but I had a spare breaker plate with P&C just in case... Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:38:50 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: LRO: Power Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that plutonium supply is limited. BS it keeps ticking, doesn't occur anywhere naturally (yes its man-made), and produces lots of energy. Use low wattage bulbs, recycle, don't get emotional and protest (nobody listens to a raving idiot anyway), get educated, do something smart. Oh and what Marin said about Kids, that too. Hurricane Mitch Hey Mitch, I think that was me, I'm sorry, you're right. IIRC plutonium is made in breeder reactors from uranium? But isn't the uranium supply limited? (at least until we can get off-earth resources in our grasp.) I was a physics major 14 years ago, but dropped out due to a drinking/skiing/skipping class/chasing women problem. It sure shows some days, don't it? Help! ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: LRO: Spare wheel was Hi-lift Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:53:32 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: Hi-lift I keep my spare in the back all the time. Ever tried lifting a 33x1250 on custom 35lb rims up onto the hood? Not to mention trying to drive that way. lol Pete But it keeps the bonnet well down in the bumps. Also can nearly decapitate a man when working on the engine and said bonnet falls off the support sticks... DON'T ASK!!! ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 03:57:17 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: 2.25 Turbo > >BTW, ACR is also developing a turbocharger for the 2.25. > > A note here. Rover went from a three main bearing engine to a five main > bearing engine BEFORE they added a turbo. It is my understanding that > the 3 main will not hold up long term with the turbo. > > Save that mod for the five main 2.25 and 2.5 engines. Not doing it myself...ohhh no. Just wanted to pass the info along. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:47:15 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: Time Crunch Marin said, "The problem is time. I don't have any for anything outside of what I'm already doing." . . . which apparently is spending hours and hours every day writing verbose posts to this list :- ) bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:08:52 -0400 From: "Robert McCullough" Subject: LRO: Re: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) hey Larry, i remember exiting a C-47 while in flight back in '70-'71, some sort of demo jump for Nato. i believe it was over Nimaegen(?). seems to me there was only one door on the right side of the aircraft. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:16:32 -0600 From: Ivan Van Laningham Subject: Re: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) Hi All-- Larry Smith wrote: > > Ok folks, we've talked about Land Rovers, coffee, boats, planes, etc. > > I have a birthday coming up and have an unfulfilled fantasy. I want a ride > in a DC-3/C-47. Don't care whether I go as passenger or cargo (Hey I > retired after 22 years in the Army - I'm used to going as cargo!) Indeed you do! Maybe not the same level of cargo as hopping up and down Vietnam in asthmatic C-130s for three weeks trying to get to your assignment station. I don't think I *saw* a seat in a plane till I took the Freedom Bird out. ... > I've > ridden in a lot of military aircraft, but never one of these. > > Anyone know of a Charter or Scheduled flying, preferably on or near the East > Coast, I can hook up with? If so, please respond off list. > I wish you luck. I can't help, but I can give you some advice. The *first* airplane I ever rode in was a DC-3, when I was six or seven. That would have been 1953 or 54. Ozark Airlines used to have a fleet of them, and were the only airline to serve Peoria IL, so gooney birds were the only planes I flew in till Ozark bought turboprops in the sixties (we called those "screaming mimis"). I remember looking out of the window of my first gooney bird at the engine and thinking, "Gee, I wonder if those rivets are supposed to bounce up and down in their holes like that?" Then I remember thinking, "Gee, is the engine supposed to spit fire like that every now and then?" I don't think that ever changed in all the DC-3s I flew in. So my advice to you is either don't look out the windows at plane parts _or_ start drinking heavily. -ly y'rs, Ivan;-) - ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham Symantec http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 04:20:05 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Series Fuel tanks > not sure about the cleaner, but I hear this stuff works great at sealing and > prolonging the tank. > > http://www.por15.com/tankseal_fuelpreserve.html > > Been happy with their other products, maybe there's someone who's actually > used it on the list. > > Matt One of our local LROs has used it. But just did the job in the past week, so no longevity data yet. I used the sloshing compound available from JC Whitney on my tank, well it's been at least 16 months becasue I did it at the last house. The tank has been mounted on the vehicle with fuel in it for about a year now. No leaks. Now I also removed the shield, wire wheeled and sand blasted the tank, and painted the hell of it before welding the shield back on. When I pulled the tank, let it dry and then shook the dust out, I probably ended up with a styrofoam cup size pile of dust and small scale. With the runability problems I have been having I pulled the feed tube and nothing in the screen, nothing in the sediment bowl either. Also yanked the float and shone a light into the tank, looked clean still. I have filled the tank only 4 times so far, and the speedo wasn't working for a couple of weeks, so not sure how many miles I have driven. Anyway, thats my results so far. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 04:21:11 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard > We have little enough time on this planet > as it is. Why waste any of it on kids. I have > a dog. Cheaper, more fun, never turn into > druggies or glue sniffers, and are always > dependable..... :-) Wouldn't want to admit it to SWMBO, but I kinda feel the same way. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 04:28:13 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: RE: crap crap crap > >Pete, > Take a look at this...if you want to see te SU ona LR, in situ... > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=195874&a=12520726 > Ahhh RHD vehicle. I went ahead and talked to ierce today. Got a manifold and carb from them. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:33:18 -0600 From: Ivan Van Laningham Subject: Re: LRO: Spare wheel was Hi-lift Hi All-- Robert Ries wrote: > > But it keeps the bonnet well down in the bumps. Also can nearly > decapitate a man when working on the engine and said bonnet > falls off the support sticks... > > DON'T ASK!!! > Sorry, you can't get away with that around here. Sounds like something I need to know about, or I'll make something up that's even more embarassing than the truth to put in my book. -ly y'rs, Ivan;-);-) - ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham Symantec http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 04:46:15 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: Re LRO: crap crap crap > Peter, Dwell meters are getting rare. If your Fluke has Duty Cycle you > are in business. on a four cylinder 90 deg dwell = 100% duty cycle, so > the conversion is straight forward. > Yes, my fluke measures duty, dwell, etc. Just dont know how to hook it up. Will check the green manual again, but don't remember seeing it there. > If you can change point gap by gently wiggling the dist. shaft it needs > rebushed. Checking point gap like you described would find a bent shaft > but might not find worn bushes. Very good point. I should yank the dizzy and check for bushing wear. Rebushing is pretty easy. I am also concerned becasue I know that the PO changed out the timing chain. I have an 8:1 head and am running hightest right now, but if I go any more advanced then tdc it pings on load. > The carb really sounds like you have no fuel flowing in the idle circuit, > Try loosing the idle jet and see if you can close the throttle some more > with it stalling. If so you have a clogged idle jet. If you have a > anti-diesel solenoid on your idle jet make sure you get a good solid > click when it energizes. Yes, I can enrichen the mixture and can back off on the idle. When I rebuilt the carb I removed the brass plug that is on the outside of the carb for the idle ports. Soaked the body in a carb tank over night. I replugged with a brass plug and then blew compressed air through the ports. Finsihed rebuilding the carb. No difference in idle :-( Guess I could pull it all back off again and recheck. Maybe try some thin copper wire through the circuit. Wont spend too much time with it though, the Pierce and DVG will be here Thursday. Thanks for the info Pete ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:48:23 -0700 From: "Lonn & Rhonda" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard If she goes for your crotch a wonderfully soft mouth is definitely a plus. Did I just say that out loud? Oh well, if you're still reading this thread you're a glutton for pulp and deserve to read such cheap and debased humor. Lonn - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard > Speak for your own dog. Ours would sniff anything which was little > embarrassing because she always went for the crotch. She was a Labrador > Retriever and was always into something including bringing home drug > paraphenalia. Usually just a smelly rotten bird carcass but did bring home > a McDonalds dinner for two once. Dog had a wonderfully soft mouth, didn't > even put a hole in the bag the food was in and it was still hot. Had to > send her back for Ketchup, though. > > Aloha > Peter > > > >From: "Faure, Marin" > >We have little enough time on this planet > >as it is. Why waste any of it on kids. I have > >a dog. Cheaper, more fun, never turn into > >druggies or glue sniffers, and are always > >dependable..... :-) > >___________________________ > >C. Marin Faure > > (original owner) > > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > > Seattle > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:10:28 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) On Mon, 9 Apr 2001, Ivan Van Laningham wrote: : :So my advice to you is either don't look out the windows at plane parts :_or_ start drinking heavily. : I had a friend describe a flight as one he had wanted to be really hung-over for. When I said "Don't you mean drunk?", he explained that he wanted a really bad hang-over so the invitable seeming firey crash would be an improvement. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:56:19 -0400 From: "d.h.lowe" Subject: Re: LRO: Distibutors To check if your distributor is worn put your timing light pickup on number one plug lead and check the timing position. Change the pickup to number four lead and check the timing position again. It should be in the same spot. If it isn`t the distributor is worn. If it is jumping about it could be the distrib. or a tired timing chain. Dave christian147@juno.com wrote: > Its not that difficult to swap weights and springs from the used dist. to > the new, just keep the spring and its weight together. > > Chris hall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:52:59 +1200 From: "Macka" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard Yawn..... Spoken like a true old coozer with a gigantic chip on his shoulder..... I suppose you walked barefoot to school thru a snow covered minefield as well? Macka - -----Original Message----- From: Faure, Marin To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' Cc: 'andy@bobstar.demon.co.uk' Date: Tuesday, 10 April 2001 05:02 Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:33:10 +0100 >From: Andy Smith >Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard > >>Just a thought and if somebody else has said I apologies now. >Did Marin hate himself when he was young ?, those years must of been >Tortuous for him.................. > >No, I was too busy riding horses, working on ranches, riding around >the California and Colorado mountains in the summer in Jeeps (with Chevy V-8 >engines, no less), sailing, deep-sea fishing, learning how to fly, and doing about a zillion >other things. I didn't have a television until I was 16, so I actually had >to DO interesting stuff to entertain myself. One of the things I love about >both television and the internet is that as more and more people remain in >their homes experiencing life on a screen, there are less and less people >crowding up the real world. So I'm sorry to disappoint, but no, I didn't >hate myself when I was young. I had a great time, same as I am now. My >lack of interest in today's youth in not due to my own experiences, but to >my observations that today's youth for the most part are not worth wasting >time on. At least not my time. There are exceptions, but they seem to be >few and far between. But my opinions are not the result of having a bad time >as a kid. In fact, I feel sorry for most of today's youth because they seem >to have no direction and no opportunities to do the kinds of things I was able >to do when I was a kid. I make a fair amount of money, have a boat, a plane, >and can pretty much travel anywhere in the world whenever I want. I attribute >those benefits in large part to the experiences I had as a kid. Hauling logs >out of the woods with a Caterpillar tractor when you're 14 teaches you something >you don't get in front of a TV screen. You can say that hauling logs out of the >woods isn't a skill today's kids are going to need, but I'm not talking about the >skill itself, but the values- discipline, responsibility, and self-reliance- you gain >from doing things like that. >___________________________ >C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:04:10 +1200 From: "Macka" Subject: LRO: Re: What is LR ownership about (was LR-bodied bastard) Jeeez, Marin, you actually found something in ol NZ that you liked while you were down in our country...... I am saddened that it was tarnished with the moronic idiotic youths you met tho.... Guess now you'll never come back .... what a tragedy!! Macka >When we filmed in New Zealand a couple of years ago, we got a kick out of the term >used there (and other places we found out) for auto body repair shops. They're called >"panel beaters." That's great, it should become the universal term. Much better than >"body shop." > >___________________________ >C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:42:55 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) At 20:16 09/04/01 -0600, Ivan Van Laningham, wrote >So my advice to you is either don't look out the windows at plane parts >_or_ start drinking heavily. Given that there are several hundred it not thousands of the birds still working daily worldwide I don't think you have to worry too much. Back in the early seventies when I was putting myself through university after a three year air-crew stint in the RCAF I flew DC-3's right seat for 40 or 60 or so hours. I will never forget the feeling that those things had in the air. Rock steady except on final when there was always a bit of a fatlady waddle down the aisle type of feel, smooth as anything through however much of a turn you wanted to crank in, and one son of a bitch of a cold bugger to be sitting in because the heaters were probably designed by the same people who designed Land Rover heaters. If I won a lottery and I wanted a Land Rover type of intensive maintenance aircraft I'd snap up a DC-3 right away. But if I had lots of money and still wanted ultra reliability in the air, superb handling, and outstanding STOL capability I'd go for a Twin Otter. (Again, right seat time only) Shortly after moving here to Calgary about five years ago I went to the local aviation museum and found to my great distress that the DC-3 they have parked on their front lawn is a NorthWest Territorial Airways 3 that I had flown. I went back to the museum with my logbook to show them that their "museum artefact" was something I had first hand knowledge of and they were gracious enough to open it up and let me clamber through it. Makes one feel really old (NO! I am not restarting the Youth thread!) to find part of your past in a museum. Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:57:33 -0400 From: "Andre Shoumatoff" Subject: LRO: Got any spare frame sections kickin' around? Does anyone in the north east as close to Burlington VT as possible have an old frame kicking around that they'd be willing to sell to me so I can lop off some pieces to make my now dangerously disintegrating frame somewhat safe for offroading in the near future. Or, would someone be willing to lop off some sections and mail them to me? I am willing to drive, even to Canada if it matters. The sections most of concern to me right now are in the front above and to the front of the rear spring hanger, particularly on the drivers side. I have spoken to a good welder who can do a number on the frame but 100% fabrication of these sections are going to cost me an arm an a leg. Andre ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #324 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue Apr 10 14:43:03 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3AIh3N10631 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:43:03 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3AHcoZ00547 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3AHcn800544 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27119 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3AH3co25945 for lro-digest-gone; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:03:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:03:38 -0400 Message-Id: <200104101703.f3AH3co25945@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #325 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Tuesday, April 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 325 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:05:40 +0100 From: "Steve Mace" Subject: Re: LRO: NAS D90 replica See this months LROi... They have details of some of the parts needed. Looks like a fair bit of money is required: New doors New rear quarter body panels (both sides) New rear lights New tailgate New spare wheel carrier New rear bumper/tow-bar Soft Top Roll bar Rear seats. Plus about 10 or 20 other bits and bobs. Looks quite easy to do - nothing that throwing money at the problem can't fix! On 8 Apr 2001, at 15:25, Chico Salgueiro wrote:  I am about to buy a D 90 Td5, however i love the look of the NAS. How can turn my D90 Td5 into a NAS replica.(Roll cage;forward facing seat,sliding front seats;etc..)  Thank you very much  Chico Salgueiro - ------------- Steve 1972 SIII LtWt Green 1993 D90 Red - ------------------------------------- Name: Dr Steve Mace E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk www: http://www.solwise.co.uk Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate) Fax: 0845 458 4559 Intl. 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I did that on a DC-3 several times, Ron Franklin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:48:41 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Oh, the humanity! So, when you compare the pertronix with the Crane, does the pertronix look more robust than the Crane system? My installation ran just fine for 20,000 miles, but I was constantly peeking a jaundiced eye under the dizzy cap to see if the gimcracky little screw and arm thingy was still in place. The darned thing never shifted, but I had a spare breaker plate with P&C just in case... Clinton The Pertronix is a flat metal plate with a little black plastic block riveted to it. Period. No more, no less, unless you count the wires. No adjustments at all - it is held in place by the points pivot and the condenser hold-down screw. No fuss, no adjustments. That's one of the biggest things I like on the Pertronix vs. the Crane. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:48:53 +0200 From: Paul Oxley Subject: LRO: Paint codes (no lr content) Hi All, Sorry for the non-lr stuff, but my neighbour (who owns two Landies, so maybe that'll suffice) has some old Duco paint codes, and is looking for a modern alternative. I can remember someone on the list (in the distant past) talking about this. I wasn't listening at the time since I have no interest in automotive paint colours other than dark green and white :-{)} Regards Paul Oxley AfricanAdrenalin.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:51:31 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) So my advice to you is either don't look out the windows at plane parts _or_ start drinking heavily. -ly y'rs, Ivan;-) Y'know, I like this guy...... OK! HEADS UP IN THE PUB! VOTE ON MAKING IVAN WRITER/ARTIST IN RESIDENCE! ALL IN FAVOR? ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:21:30 -0400 From: "Alex Maiolo" Subject: Re: LRO: Oh, the humanity! I second that emphatically. I've heard the fancier systems work a little better, but the marked improvement you'll get with the Pertronix, its reliability, the fact that it drops in in 20 minutes, and it's low price make it the best bet. Drop it in a "fahgeddaboutit." I always carried points and a condensor with me when I was running a Pertronix, but I've always carried them in any Rover I've owned that was originally designed to use points. Anybody know if Pertronix makes a V8 rig? - -Alex Maiolo Chapel Hill NC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:48 AM Subject: Re: LRO: Oh, the humanity! > > So, when you compare the pertronix with the Crane, does the pertronix look > more robust than the Crane system? My installation ran just fine for > 20,000 > miles, but I was constantly peeking a jaundiced eye under the dizzy cap to > see if the gimcracky little screw and arm thingy was still in place. The > darned thing never shifted, but I had a spare breaker plate with P&C just > in > case... > > Clinton > > The Pertronix is a flat metal plate with a little black plastic block > riveted to it. Period. No more, no less, unless you count the wires. > > No adjustments at all - it is held in place by the points pivot and the > condenser hold-down screw. No fuss, no adjustments. That's one of the > biggest things I like on the Pertronix vs. the Crane. > > ajr > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:51:26 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Oh, the humanity! Anybody know if Pertronix makes a V8 rig? Most definitely. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:09:16 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Distibutors Bill, I stand corrected. Thanks for the information. I will admit I have been known to grind the finger on the inside of the distributor to make up for the advance, however... aj"Naughty, I know..."r ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:11:16 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Distibutors On the question 0f 5-8-3 suction and the like: Could you translate that into poor dumb American? I assume it is advance at various levels of vacuum though I might well (and often have been) wrong. I sit at the feet of the master and await the wisdom... Seriously, though - I am interested. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:14:52 -0500 From: "cde3" Subject: LRO: RE: Marin Faure If you are bored (as I am) or offended by Marin Faure's e-mails, do what I do. Have all of them directly deposited into their own folder which goes directly into the recycle bin. I occasionally have to do this on the Porsche List (rarely on the Triumphs List) when the person's rantings outweigh whatever helpful e-mails (if any)they may contribute. The longer you are a member of these types of e-mail lists, the more you will realize that this is a common occurrence and it's best just to ignore them, and send their e-mails directly to the recycle bin. Don Emery ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:26:56 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: Shipfitters... Clinton, If you are going to the trouble of removing the bulkhead, then there's only one sensible solution...Galvanize it! You will not need to prep it at all, that is, you don't have to sandblast or scrape paint, grease or rust, as the acid prep bath will take care of all that, just plan on re-tapping any threaded holes that get clogged with that fresh, new, shiny, non-rusting zinc stuff. Weld it/repair it to your heart's content prior to the dip and all the welds will get coated in zinc too. The zinc will flow into the cracks and crevices,sealing and rust-inhibiting the inaccessible areas. I'd say it's 'bout time to start asking around locally as to where the galvanizer is located... check out: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=195874&a=12427531&p=45615497 JT/ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:42:58 GMT From: mstockdale@mho.net Subject: LRO: Birthday wish Larry; I believe that Royal Nepal Airlines still fly DC-3's. I once flew from Dehli to Katmandu in one. Great flight except that it was cold, noisy and bumpy, but a great experience. Tell the SO what a great B-day gift it would be to go to Nepal, Fly in a DC-3, stop in Darjeeling and see some SI Land Rovers, and ride the narrow gage. S'cuse me I've got to make some reservations. Hurricane Mitch - --------------------------------------------- This message was sent using MHO WebMail. http://www.mho.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:06:42 From: "Chris Oles" Subject: LRO: Anyone tape the Cubs/Expos game last Thursday? ***no LR content*** Played hookie from work last Thursday and went to the game. A freind of a friend that was there with me has said that we're on TV. Did anyone on this list happen to record the game? I'd love to get a copy of it and will reimburse any expense needed to get this forwared to me. Drop me a note off-line if you can help! Sorry for the bandwidth! TIA, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:27:22 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: Hi-lift & Tailgates Larry Smith Chester, VA, wrote... "I still like Dave Bobeck's idea of using skate board wheels as the isolators." Not hard to believe Dave had a skateboard, but it is hard to believe Dave had an idea...oh, well...that's another completely different topic... Or you can just use the old dust boots off your discarded wheel cylinders...which also make GREAT anti-rattle bumbers when installed on the anti-luce latches of your tailgate...and they have the added benefit of being GENUINE ORIGINAL LAND ROVER OEM PARTS...(...errr, well Girling, OE used by LR...which should be close enuff to avoid the dreaded NLR syndrome)!!! Notta-Land-Rover = NLR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:32:57 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: heater install Simon J. Harding Attorney at Law Schulte Anderson Downes Aronson & Bittner, P.C. 503.223.4131 sharding@schulte-law.com ...said... Re: the kodiak: make that a Mark III, sorry for the typo. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have received this message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (503) 223-4131, and permanently delete the original and any copy of this message. Thanks for that correction, my good sir. Bobby Braun Schmidt, III Attorney at Law Dewey, Skrewum and Howe, P.C. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:28:50 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Shipfitters... John Tackley said, you don't have to sandblast or scrape paint, grease or rust, as the acid prep bath will take care of all that" But really it depends on the galvanizer--the one in Denver I'll be taking my bulkhead to soon doesn't care about rust, but paint must be removed for some reason. Maybe his acid bath only eats rust and not paint? So I'll have to get mine sandblasted before taking it down there. bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:08:10 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks Marin commented: "If you simply want to remove the dirt and debris on the inside, I suppose a strong solvent would be the way to go. Or you could dump in some coarse gravel and rattle that around in there for awhile to loosen the scale and whatnot first. " ___________________________ CREEM (available at MC shops and online at MC supply houses,for sealing leaking gas tanks) in its prep instructions suggests a length of heavy chain (18") be inserted into the dirty tank and then shake the tank about. The chain does the work of the gravel, nuts and bolts, but being heavier probably is more efficient at this task. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:09:31 +0200 From: Luca Ingianni Subject: Re: LRO: Power - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am Montag, 9. April 2001 01:08 schrieben Sie: > As soon as any thing get buried or locked away the rumour starts > thatthere must be a great treasure there. To say that the contents would Another story from my archaeologist friend: he's doing excavations in Jordan, Syria, Israel and other places in the area and of course he employs local (arab) workers. The local people just don't undertand how someone could be stupid enough to dig for *stones* and are convinced he's digging for treasures. More than one excavation site has been totally and irreparably devastated while he was away by locals with bulldozers digging for the gold. have fun, Luca - - -- There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrTIi8ACgkQ7uxRR5vRvyvptwCeKWo+tRakXN7pAfnNhI8Jxj7e rqgAniP6Rr0v9YKUr0Fxuub+mqH9MtFh =6TQG - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:11:10 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: RE: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium Uh, oh...Simon, kindly disregard my previous message, as it may have been a major faux-pas to have disseminated it back to the list... Bobby Braun Schmidt, III Dewey, Skrewum and Howe, P. C. ;>) - -----Original Message----- From: M. Tompkins [mailto:mmglass@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 8:49 PM To: lro@works.team.net Subject: Re: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium wow, what a notice. wonder how many lawyers actually own a series vehicle and take passengers along. can you imagine being a passenger and signing your name on some huge releasability of liability document. is this what our country has turned into? Mike '66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/ SJH wrote: > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are > intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any > attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have > received this message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone > at (503) 223-4131, and permanently delete the original and any copy of > this message. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:14:13 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) Larry, I've ridden in a DC-3 and would be happy to tell you all about my experience at your Birthday Party... BTW are you planning on having any beer at your party???...what kind??? JT/ric/;-> >...previously, Larry wrote: Ok folks, we've talked about Land Rovers, coffee, boats, planes, etc. I have a birthday coming up and have an unfulfilled fantasy. I want a ride in a DC-3/C-47. Don't care whether I go as passenger or cargo (Hey I retired after 22 years in the Army - I'm used to going as cargo!) I've ridden in a lot of military aircraft, but never one of these. Larry Smith Chester, VA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 01 08:17:55 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium >I heard that if you swap a ford into a chevy and a chevy into a ford, >they'll both go faster! I'm sorry for my part in perpetuating this muck. You are skirting the profane and risk being sentenced to an eternity of US SUVs. Oh almighty 2.25 three main bearing Land Rover engine, praise be to the Land Rover factory. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:50:44 +0100 From: "Steve Mace" Subject: RE: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium Will you reimburse the cost of the phone call (from the UK)? > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are > > intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or > > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > > not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any > > attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have > > received this message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone > > at (503) 223-4131, and permanently delete the original and any copy of > > this message. Steve 1972 SIII LtWt Green 1993 D90 Red - ------------------------------------- Name: Dr Steve Mace E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk www: http://www.solwise.co.uk Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate) Fax: 0845 458 4559 Intl. Fax. +44 1482 621877 - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:56:25 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Anyone tape the Cubs/Expos game last Thursday? ***no LR content*** What sort of a game was that then? John and Muddy Chris Oles wrote: > > Played hookie from work last Thursday and went to the game. A freind of a > friend that was there with me has said that we're on TV. Did anyone on this > list happen to record the game? I'd love to get a copy of it and will > reimburse any expense needed to get this forwared to me. Drop me a note > off-line if you can help! Sorry for the bandwidth! > > TIA, > > Chris > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 01 08:52:17 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Distibutors >Its not that difficult to swap weights and springs from the used dist. to >the new, just keep the spring and its weight together. And pray that the springs haven't streched and are still within spec after all those years and that you remeber which goes where. Or that one doesn't go sprong and fly off into an alternate universe where it will never be found until after you replace it. Hail be to the sacred 2.25 three main bearing Land Rover engine, praise be to the Land Rover factory. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 01 08:57:29 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Distibutors You need to keep in mind that unless you replace your worn Land Rover distributor with another genuine Land Rover distributor, you will no longer driving a Land Rover. Add a MGB, Sprite or other off marque distributor and your car will become a totally valueless pile if hybrid junk. The distributor is the heart of the engine. Praise be to the Land Rover engineers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:01:55 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks How come the insertion of gravel/glass/chains into my fuel tanks and the subsequent vigorous shaking does not break off the tube that sucks the fuel up and out of the tank. I assume that there is a tube hanging down inside the tank because I have a Chevy 327 V8 in the vehicle and the fuel pump is a "sucker" stuck to the side of the engine. Anyone have any experience with the internal construction of these Series tanks. Do I have to remove the sender guage float for example etc etc? All help is greatly appreciated. Thank you all for the information you have supplied already on this subject. It is all of great interest. Kind regards, Mark Pilkington "Tackley, John" wrote: > Marin commented: > "If you simply want to remove the dirt and debris on the inside, I suppose a > > strong solvent would be the way to go. Or you could dump in some coarse > gravel > and rattle that around in there for awhile to loosen the scale and whatnot > first. " > ___________________________ > > CREEM (available at MC shops and online at MC supply houses,for sealing > leaking gas tanks) in its prep instructions suggests a length of heavy chain > (18") be inserted into the dirty tank and then shake the tank about. The > chain does the work of the gravel, nuts and bolts, but being heavier > probably is more efficient at this task. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:08:21 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Time Crunch Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:47:15 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: LRO: Time Crunch >>Marin said, "The problem is time. I don't have any for anything outside of what I'm already doing." >. . . which apparently is spending hours and hours every day writing verbose posts to this list :- ) No, I'm a really fast writer. The longest posts I've written took about ten minutes to whack out. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:11:46 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:52:59 +1200 From: "Macka" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard >Yawn..... Spoken like a true old coozer with a gigantic chip on his shoulder..... >I suppose you walked barefoot to school thru a snow covered minefield as well? If your life's boring don't come whining to me. As to walking barefoot through the snow to school, that was my parents, not me. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:02:12 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: Re: LRO: Anyone tape the Cubs/Expos game last Thursday? ***no LR content*** If the Expos were playing the Cubs, I'd expect them to be playing baseball. But you never know. Keith Tanner At 12:56 10/04/2001 -0300, John Cranfield wrote: >What sort of a game was that then? >John and Muddy > >Chris Oles wrote: > > > > Played hookie from work last Thursday and went to the game. A freind of a > > friend that was there with me has said that we're on TV. Did anyone on > this > > list happen to record the game? I'd love to get a copy of it and will > > reimburse any expense needed to get this forwared to me. Drop me a note > > off-line if you can help! Sorry for the bandwidth! > > > > TIA, > > > > Chris > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:09:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: RE: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium No. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please terminate your existence with extreme prejudice. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Mace [SMTP:steve@solwise.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:51 PM To: schultelaw@transport.com; catchall@schulte-law.com; SJH; lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: RE: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium Will you reimburse the cost of the phone call (from the UK)? > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are > > intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or > > confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > > not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any > > attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have > > received this message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone > > at (503) 223-4131, and permanently delete the original and any copy of > > this message. Steve 1972 SIII LtWt Green 1993 D90 Red ------------------------------------- Name: Dr Steve Mace E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk www: http://www.solwise.co.uk Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate) Fax: 0845 458 4559 Intl. Fax. +44 1482 621877 ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:18:25 -0600 From: Ivan Van Laningham Subject: Re: LRO: Anyone tape the Cubs/Expos game last Thursday? ***no LR content*** Hi All-- John Cranfield wrote: > > What sort of a game was that then? > John and Muddy > > Chris Oles wrote: > > > > Played hookie from work last Thursday and went to the game. Hmmm, I'm not sure either, but whatever kind it was I think the Cubs were supposed to lose. -ly y'rs, Ivan;-) PS: Hey, Chris, you live in Chicago???? - ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham Symantec http://www.pauahtun.org http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:21:28 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: What is LR ownership about Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:04:10 +1200 From: "Macka" Subject: LRO: Re: What is LR ownership about (was LR-bodied bastard) >Jeeez, Marin, you actually found something in ol NZ that you liked while you were down in our country...... That was about the only thing, though. No, wait, the maritime museum in Auckland was terrific. >I am saddened that it was tarnished with the moronic idiotic youths you met tho.... It was no worse than most of the other places we've been. >Guess now you'll never come back .... what a tragedy!! I doubt it. We've got some filming assignments in Australia over the next couple of years, and from everyone I've talked to who's been there, that's the really cool place to visit. New Zealand wasn't any different than being here in the northwest. You take fourteen hours worth of airplane rides to end up in the same kind of place you left. Everyone on my crew thought Auckland was no different from Seattle, only about 30 years back in time (which, given the current condition of Seattle is a really good thing for you). We drove all over the north island, and it was just like the Pacific Northwest only with tree ferns and sheep. Nice, but nothing new. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:29:24 -0400 From: "Alex Maiolo" Subject: Re: LRO: Oh, the humanity! You know, indeed they do. I went down to our local Brit Car Concern and purchased me one today. Had a spare in the back. Is $129 a good deal? I figure they are naturally more than the 4-knocker models. - -Alex Maiolo Chapel Hill NC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: Re: LRO: Oh, the humanity! > > Anybody know if Pertronix makes a V8 rig? > > Most definitely. > > ajr > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:18:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: simple powder coating question I've removed my seat bases for the middle row seats on my 109 and removed the seat cushions. I had planned to repaint the bases, but have decided to have them sandblasted, since the paint is fairly thick and chipped. A lot of the blasters here advertise powdercoating. Does powder coating tend to be brittle, or is it fairly resilient/flexible? Given its baked on, I'd formed the impression its brittle, but I could be absolutely wrong. I fold the seats up and throw gear and firewood in the back frequently, so they will be getting some abuse, but not much. I'll skip powdercoating if I get the impression it will chip and rust underneath, etc, as painting is easier to re-do in the distant future. Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:26:22 -0700 From: "Lonn & Rhonda" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks Yes Mark, you will need to remove the breakable/bendable/costly-to-replace components from the tank prior to shaking a heavy chain about in it. Chain works best. Expect a thorough workout of your upper body. Lonn - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pilkington" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks > How come the insertion of gravel/glass/chains into my fuel tanks and the > subsequent vigorous shaking does not break off the tube that sucks the fuel up > and out of the tank. I assume that there is a tube hanging down inside the tank > because I have a Chevy 327 V8 in the vehicle and the fuel pump is a "sucker" > stuck to the side of the engine. Anyone have any experience with the internal > construction of these Series tanks. Do I have to remove the sender guage float > for example etc etc? All help is greatly appreciated. Thank you all for the > information you have supplied already on this subject. It is all of great > interest. > Kind regards, > Mark Pilkington > > "Tackley, John" wrote: > > > Marin commented: > > "If you simply want to remove the dirt and debris on the inside, I suppose a > > > > strong solvent would be the way to go. Or you could dump in some coarse > > gravel > > and rattle that around in there for awhile to loosen the scale and whatnot > > first. " > > ___________________________ > > > > CREEM (available at MC shops and online at MC supply houses,for sealing > > leaking gas tanks) in its prep instructions suggests a length of heavy chain > > (18") be inserted into the dirty tank and then shake the tank about. The > > chain does the work of the gravel, nuts and bolts, but being heavier > > probably is more efficient at this task. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:30:38 +0100 From: "John Leah" Subject: LRO: The Boss... This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C1DB.93A497D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" My bosses boss, one very senior person, just dropped into my office. He doesn't make house calls often and when he does it's usually bad. "John", said the man on nodding terms with God "I need some help..." A phrase which injects fear into all at whom it's directed and guarantees much grief and burning of midnight oil. "...yes John, would you help me choose a Land Rover" He wants one to 'take the dogs out' - this has promise! John - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C1DB.93A497D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Boss...

My bosses boss, one very senior person, just dropped = into my office. He doesn't make house calls often and when he does it's = usually bad. "John", said the man on nodding terms with God = "I need some help..." A phrase which injects fear into all at = whom it's directed and guarantees much grief and burning of midnight = oil. "...yes John, would you help me choose a Land Rover" He = wants one to 'take the dogs out' - this has promise!

John

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C1DB.93A497D0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:39:34 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks You take out all the nasty dangly bits from the tank - this way they don't get beaten up by the vigour of the cleaning process. If you feel the need to stay dry a bit of duct tape would serve the purpose... As far as the internal construction - there isn't any. No baffles, ducts or anything else - just a big hollow box with a drain plug in the bottom. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:46:04 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Oh, the humanity! Is $129 a good deal? I figure they are naturally more than the 4-knocker models. Er...no....8*) Seriously, only difference was the baseplate and 8 magnets instead of 4 in the rotor. Can you say serious markup? Paid $79 for the last v8 one I bought..... Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.. -ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:48:23 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: simple powder coating question Considering it's done to wheels and the like and is considered a durable finish I'd definitely powdercoat 'em. Only time I've ever seen powdercoat in failure in a big way was the light guards on my old 84 Rangie (and the grille and the bumper...). ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:00:43 -0700 From: Paul Quin Subject: LRO: RE: The Boss... Nortel eh? He's not one of the bosses that sold a ton of Nortel shares recently, is he?? I don't know if I'd get too close to one of those... =8-0 Paul in Victoria. -----Original Message----- My bosses boss, one very senior person, just dropped into my office. He doesn't make house calls often and when he does it's usually bad. "John", said the man on nodding terms with God "I need some help..." A phrase which injects fear into all at whom it's directed and guarantees much grief and burning of midnight oil. "...yes John, would you help me choose a Land Rover" He wants one to 'take the dogs out' - this has promise! John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:10:32 -0400 From: "Jean-Leon Morin" Subject: LRO: Re: The Boss... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C0C1BF.9F5165C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Boss...If this is your boss's boss I would highly recommend an = engineless basket case series one. Hey, a nervous breakdown = automatically shoots you up a rung in the ladder! J-L ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John Leah=20 To: LRO@land-rover. Team. Net (E-mail)=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: LRO: The Boss... My bosses boss, one very senior person, just dropped into my office. = He doesn't make house calls often and when he does it's usually bad. = "John", said the man on nodding terms with God "I need some help..." A = phrase which injects fear into all at whom it's directed and guarantees = much grief and burning of midnight oil. "...yes John, would you help me = choose a Land Rover" He wants one to 'take the dogs out' - this has = promise! John=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C0C1BF.9F5165C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Boss...
If this is your boss's boss I would = highly=20 recommend an engineless basket case series one. Hey, a nervous breakdown = automatically shoots you up a rung in the ladder!
 
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My bosses boss, one very senior person, just dropped = into my=20 office. He doesn't make house calls often and when he does it's = usually bad.=20 "John", said the man on nodding terms with God "I need some help..." A = phrase=20 which injects fear into all at whom it's directed and guarantees much = grief=20 and burning of midnight oil. "...yes John, would you help me choose a = Land=20 Rover" He wants one to 'take the dogs out' - this has = promise!

John

- ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01C0C1BF.9F5165C0-- ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #325 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue Apr 10 18:03:10 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3AM3AN11544 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:03:10 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3AKwvN10433 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3AKwv810430 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24537 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3AKHpM30655 for lro-digest-gone; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:17:51 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:17:51 -0400 Message-Id: <200104102017.f3AKHpM30655@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #326 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Tuesday, April 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 326 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:04:53 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: The Boss... Bravo - you've found an in to the senior ranks...8*) Whatever you do make sure he gets it from a dealership and gets it serviced there otherwise you'll own him for the rest of your life...8*). Of course, if that meant he hired you as his private mechanic for 100K+ a year that has possibilities too... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:14:23 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: anti-luce > Or you can just use the old dust boots off your discarded wheel > cylinders...which also make GREAT anti-rattle bumbers when installed on the > anti-luce latches of your tailgate Just wondering...what rattling? Mine latch up tighter-n-snot. I have to push forward against the tailgate to lock and unlock as a matterofact. My tailgate has rubber bumpers where it goes against the tub that supply this pressure. Where these not stock? Damn, guess I have a NLR now also ;-) Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:22:29 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks > Yes Mark, you will need to remove the > breakable/bendable/costly-to-replace components from the tank prior to > shaking a heavy chain about in it. Chain works best. Expect a > thorough workout of your upper body. I was thinking of attaching my empty fuel (with a bit of gravel) to my problem child - a 2 year old Spring Spaniel named Oliver. I figure a few hours with him running about the dog park dragging my series fuel tank ought'a take care of any internal build up. With his love for water I am sure that he will kindly rinse the thing out in the slough too. No, he won't sink - trust me - you have to know this dog to understand! This should accomplish two things: 1) bang the tank around enough to knock any rust or gunk off of the inside. 2) exhaust my dog enough so that I can get at least one night's sleep - pleeeeeeeeze Rich (Sleepless in Seattle) '60 SII 109 SW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:26:58 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Fuel in the tank Okay, hold your laughter - I know this is a dumb question but since I have never had to do this before I thought I would ask first. What's the best way to remove the remaining fuel in the tank? Is it best to empty it using the drain in the bottom of the tank or siphon it out from above? Anyone have any experience with those "jiggle hoses"? There are about 8 gallons in there approximately and I was thinking of transfering it into some gerry cans. And no wise-cracks ".....a lit match will quickly burn off any unwanted fuel....." Thanks, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:35:16 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: RE: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) Rick mentioned: "Given that there are several hundred it not thousands of the birds still working daily worldwide I don't think you have to worry too much." ...and most of them have to be in the Carribean...in February, when I flew in San Juan, PR, I counted at least a dozen DC-3s on the tarmac, with 2 or 3 more either in TO or Landing. They are constantly overhead @ the SJ airport. It seems every little island is serviced by DC-3s and they are the mainstay of every little Carribiean airline's fleet. Has to be due to ease of maintenance and ease of piloting...not to mention that they are overbuilt like a LR. JT/ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:36:02 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Paint codes (no lr content) On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Paul Oxley wrote: :Hi All, : :Sorry for the non-lr stuff, but my neighbour (who owns two Landies, so :maybe that'll suffice) has some old Duco paint codes, and is looking for :a modern alternative. The obvious method is to find a decent paint shop, and ask them. I've had good luck with that. The various paint companies publish a reference that cross-lists the comptetion's codes to their own. I presume Duco is a defunct brand? -- if that's the case, you'll need to find a shop that's been around for a while, as they may still have a list old enough. Oh. A couple minutes of searching turns up that DUCO is a DuPont lacquer process, developed in the mid-twenties. I'd think any DuPont dealer could get the info, though they might have to ask DuPont. A bit more searching turns out that might not be true. DUCO is nitro-cellulose lacquer, and not all of DuPont's nitro-cullulose colors have matching acrylic lacquer colors. If your neighbor's colors date from the 60's or later, he should be okay. If they're for a popular color earlier than that, they should be okay. If they've got something that's the original color, that hasn't faded horribly or yellowed, it can be matched. PPG (Ditzler) can provide an offset color code in acrylic for all of their nitro-cellulose lacquers, but some of them are not really a good match. David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:45:43 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: Re: LRO: Fuel in the tank Just undo the big slotted bolts under the tanks and let it pour out. The best tool for this is the outside curve of a spanner/wrench. This is of course assuming that you are talking about a Series Landrover fuel tank. Then...........use the match to get the dregs!! DISCLAIMER. Any and all explosions caused and deformation of Land Rovers or their accessories, fuel tanks, seats or owners as a direct result of the use of a match to "purge" the system has nothing to do with me.etc etc etc etc. Rich Williams II wrote: > Okay, hold your laughter - I know this is a dumb question but since I have > never had to do this before I thought I would ask first. > > What's the best way to remove the remaining fuel in the tank? > > Is it best to empty it using the drain in the bottom of the tank or siphon > it out from above? Anyone have any experience with those "jiggle hoses"? > > There are about 8 gallons in there approximately and I was thinking of > transfering it into some gerry cans. > > And no wise-cracks ".....a lit match will quickly burn off any unwanted > fuel....." > > Thanks, > > Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:40:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: RE: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks Rich Williams wrote: 2) exhaust my dog enough so that I can get at least one night's sleep - pleeeeeeeeze Rich (Sleepless in Seattle) '60 SII 109 And Marin thought kids were bad! Each of our three kids slept through the night by age two! Why not simply take the tank to a rad. shop and have it boiled? Simon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:50:47 From: "Chris Oles" Subject: LRO: cubs game **no LR content...again** John & Muddy: The game was between 2 teams in Major League Baseball. Nearly as exciting as watching paint dry and grass grow but a great time if one is in to drinking beer, socializing with friends and enjoying the "friendly confines" of Wrigley Field. Ivan/John: I do live in Chicago, about 6 blocks south of Wrigley in a very eclectic neighborhood called Lakeview. I'm sure the Cubs were supposed to lose but they actually pulled it out 2-1. I'm still amazed that all of these years of losing seasons and they still sell-out nearly every game. Still no leads on the tape... Chris 70 SIIa 88 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:18:25 -0600 From: Ivan Van Laningham Subject: Re: LRO: Anyone tape the Cubs/Expos game last Thursday? ***no LR content*** Hi All-- John Cranfield wrote: > >What sort of a game was that then? >John and Muddy > >Chris Oles wrote: > > > > Played hookie from work last Thursday and went to the game. Hmmm, I'm not sure either, but whatever kind it was I think the Cubs were supposed to lose. -ly y'rs, Ivan;-) PS: Hey, Chris, you live in Chicago???? - - ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham Symantec http://www.pauahtun.org http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:59:48 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Fuel in the tank On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Rich Williams II wrote: :Okay, hold your laughter - I know this is a dumb question but since I have :never had to do this before I thought I would ask first. : :What's the best way to remove the remaining fuel in the tank? : :Is it best to empty it using the drain in the bottom of the tank or siphon :it out from above? Anyone have any experience with those "jiggle hoses"? I'd siphon what I could (not by mouth, oh no. I'd never do that!), and then drain the rest by yanking the drain plug. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:09:20 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks > Why not simply take the tank to a rad. shop and have it boiled? fine - but what about my dog? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:14:18 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: LRO: RE: DC 3's Over built is an understatement in relation to the DC3. One got flew into a thunderstorm (before radar) and hit a down draft so severe it literally ripped some of the seats out of the floor. Plane went on to a normal landing and was back in service after a little 'maintenance'. Some people are rebuilding the 3 with turbine engines. Haven't seen a whole much of them. Would expect them to soldier on into the next century with such a modification. They were such a quantum leap in aircraft technology that its hard to duplicate, even today. Expect availability at a low price, however, is a big factor in keeping them in the air. Had the experience of flying in a DC3 that had been all gussied up to look like a modern commercial plane. It was used for regularly scheduled flights from Miami to Key West back in the 70's. Definitely faster and quieter than a Ford Tri Motor. The float plane DC3 must have some humongous floats. DC3s weigh a bit more than a Cessna 180. Talking about flying in archaeological artifacts. Used to fly as a passenger in a C54 from Oahu to Kauai back in the early '70s. Was poking around in the airplane and found a plaque that the airplane had been used in the Berlin airlift. Further investigation found that the airplane was built before I was borne in '44. Assume that plane has long since gone to the bone yard. That squadron also had a C-47 that I flew in once. Was afraid to ask how old that one was. >From: "Tackley, John" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: "'lro@works.team.net'" >Subject: RE: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:35:16 -0400 > >Rick mentioned: > >"Given that there are several hundred it not thousands of the birds still >working daily worldwide I don't think you have to worry too much." > >...and most of them have to be in the Carribean...in February, when I flew >in San Juan, PR, I counted at least a dozen DC-3s on the tarmac, with 2 or >3 >more either in TO or Landing. They are constantly overhead @ the SJ >airport. It seems every little island is serviced by DC-3s and they are >the >mainstay of every little Carribiean airline's fleet. >Has to be due to ease of maintenance and ease of piloting...not to mention >that they are overbuilt like a LR. > >JT/ric _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:38:01 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Rich Williams II wrote: :> Why not simply take the tank to a rad. shop and have it boiled? : :fine - but what about my dog? Dog is good boiled, too. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:47:59 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: Pertronix Hi Alan, OK, now I am wishing that I had put the pertronix in my rig way back when instead of the Crane. Sigh. So, how long does it take to install. Two minutes? Five? biggest things I like on the Pertronix vs. the Crane. Not to mention that little matter of cost... Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:56:56 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: Galvanizing Bulkheads and Shipfitters... Hi John, don't even get me started on galvanizing! My time budget cannot afford that right now! I know this question has been flogged to death, but how does one get a bulkhead galvanized without having it distort? I vaguely remeber someone saying to search for an outfit that would pre heat/soak the item before dipping? Or do you just wrench it into place and bolt 'er in. And, I know that paint thread was just up and I ignored it completely. I gathered the upshot was that you have to remove the outer protective layer of whatever before painting. I had another look last night, and it seems that I can probably get away with keeping the bulk of the wiring in place, just bundle it out of the way, detach the brakes and clutch, unbolt the firewall and deal with the rust and put it back in place. I have plans, however, to ensure minimize future water pooling between the top of the footwell/splash guard, and to keep gravel from spitting up and removing the paint on the lower footwell. And, was looking at chainsaw bar oil and amongst its ingredients are "tack additive" and "anti corrosion additive" so I think that may be my cheap bugger solution for spraying into the box sections afterwards. As far as spraying goes, has anyone had success using a garden sprayer, or is it just better to bite the bullet and get a compressed air wand style? Eastwood has those for about 35 bucks last time I looked.... >check out: >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=195874&a=12427531&p=45615497 I see you ported your Kodiak heater hole... Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:05:31 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Marin Faure Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:14:52 -0500 From: "cde3" Subject: LRO: RE: Marin Faure >If you are bored (as I am) or offended by Marin Faure's e-mails, do what I do. Have all of them directly deposited into their own folder which goes directly into the recycle bin. Sounds like a good solution. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone on the list as that wasn't my intention. But the subject of what's a Land Rover and what isn't escalated to the point where it became more an exercise in semantics than a useful discussion, and I'm certainly largely to blame for that. The stuff on youth was an entertaining (but not to everyone, I guess) sideline, but that, too, got out of hand, for which I, again, was largely responsible. So I'm sorry for getting people wrapped around the axle on what didn't seem to me to be very big deals. When I started participating in this list a few years ago, it seemed to be largely made up of people who were interested in keeping their Series Land Rovers running more or less in original form. As this is what I am interested in, too, and is what I've been doing for almost three decades now, I found the list a useful exchange of information. The list has changed dramatically over the last year or so, to the point where it now seems to be made up mostly of people who are interested in modifying their Land Rovers to suit their purposes. That's okay, of course. But with a dwindling interest in the marque as built, I suppose it's natural for someone who is interested in the vehicles as they were designed to express some frustration. Judging by the reaction of the "new" list membership, I guess I went too far in expressing that frustration. So I'm sorry for upsetting so many of you. Those of us in the US who bought Land Rovers back in the "old days" of the '60s and '70s got used to being almost totally self-reliant outside of finding a parts source. There was no internet, no mailing list, and pretty much no communication between people who had Land Rovers unless you happened to live near someone who had one. For help, you called the few people who were selling parts back then or a Land Rover representative. Of course the Land Rover reps were gone after 1974. Those of us who ran Land Rovers back then (and there were a fair amount of folks who did; I'm certainly not some sort of rare breed in that respect) learned a lot about the vehicles in the course of keeping them going day after day. That's useful information to someone with a stock Land Rover, but that knowledge is of dwindling value today, at least in the US. I understand the Toyota FJ40 folks are undergoing the same shift, from driving and maintaining the vehicles as built to heavily modifying them to suit the owners' needs or desires. I'm sorry to see the same thing happening to Land Rovers, but I guess it's inevitable as parts become harder to get and people try to make a forty-year old design cope with today's traffic conditions. I can certainly understand the frustration of trying to drive a stock Land Rover in traffic today, as I am in that boat myself. I will continue to maintain my Series as-built, and if I see a question on the list that I think I can help answer, I'll do so. I'm not reversing my opinion on what's a Land Rover and what's a hybrid, but it's certainly not productive to argue a point that has no meaning or importance anymore for most Land Rover owners. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:10:28 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: RE: DC 3's Peter said: "Talking about flying in archaeological artifacts. Used to fly as a passenger in a C54 from Oahu to Kauai back in the early '70s. Was poking around in the airplane and found a plaque that the airplane had been used in the Berlin airlift. Further investigation found that the airplane was built before I was borne in '44. Assume that plane has long since gone to the bone yard. That squadron also had a C-47 that I flew in once. Was afraid to ask how old that one was." OK, here's my only flying 'story'...many many years ago, in a past life before reincarnation into the present one...sorry...I worked in Long Beach...one of my accounts was the LA Cty Sherriff's Office on Catalina Island...you remember the song..."26 miles across the sea"yadayada...so, OK, when I had to visit to repair this or that machine, I would purchase a ticket on the only commercial airline servicing the village of Avalon (the only settlement on the island)which was called...damn, what was it called....oh yeah....Catalina Airlines. Took off from Long Beach Municipal...I thought the plane was old and it had those big skis on them...what do you cal them Marin?...oh yeah...floats. Well the seats were quaint, made of some natural material after all...rattan...some dried weed?...all 6 or 8 of 'em...anyway, they were light in weight...the pilot flung back the cloth curtain to the cockpit and asked if we were all ready..."yup"...we taxi out and take off...then he reaches down beside his seat and grabs what looked like a short LR handcrank...WTF???...he sticks it into a hole in the floor and nonchalantly cranked up the landing gear!!!...OK, so now I had to ask him..."What is this plane???"...I shouted...he shouts back... "1937 Grumman Seaplane...tough as nails," he says... we fly awhile, he circles the island...makes his approach...hits the water...which completly covers my window...I remember thinking..."This can't be good..."...but we son bob to the surface, the pilot uses that crank again to drop the wheels and he taxis up a concrete ramp next to a little shack..."We're here, folks"...and that's my story...it was so cool...but the coolest was when they had an 'emergency' call/repair...then they would send the Sherriff's Bell Helo to pick me up...yeah that was the life! JT/ric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:16:53 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Re: Pertronix > OK, now I am wishing that I had put the pertronix in my rig way back when > instead of the Crane. Sigh. So, how long does it take to install. Two > minutes? Five? Pertronix - allow about 5 minutes - that should leave you enough time to look for the screwdriver that you just had in your hand but now can't find because you forgot that it's in your back pocket. Speaking from personal experience of course. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:19:56 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Galvanizing Bulkheads and Shipfitters... Now, if you want to do this to your hellish heathen UN Land Rover you might want to try a trick I saw a guy do once. The splash guards were rubber rather than metal and had been made from ine belting. These were held in place with galvanized fasteners, with spacers between the rubber and the footwell to allow for drainage. Seemed a really nice idea to me - were I to do it however I'd likely use truck anti-sail flap material (1/2" thick neoprene). ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:21:13 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix OK, now I am wishing that I had put the pertronix in my rig way back when instead of the Crane. Sigh. So, how long does it take to install. Two minutes? Five? Twenty minutes if you're in a hurry - a half-hour if you let the engine warm up well to time it properly... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:24:09 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: Galvanizing Bulkheads and Shipfitters... ...you say I have a Kodiak heater hole???....that's gotta be cool...how much does that increase the value of my truck??? Clinton says: "I know this question has been flogged to death, but how does one get a bulkhead galvanized without having it distort? I vaguely remeber someone saying to search for an outfit that would pre heat/soak the item before dipping? Or do you just wrench it into place and bolt 'er in." Distort from the heat???, hell that's nothing compared to when the idiot crane operator drops in my bulkhead, then drops a 90' long high voltage steel pole right on top of it...can you spell "dents and twists"...but to answer your question, yes, a twisted bulkhead can be wrenched and bolted into place. "And, I know that paint thread was just up and I ignored it completely. I gathered the upshot was that you have to remove the outer protective layer of whatever before painting." Paint, why would I want to paint a perfectly good gavanized bulkhead???...are your truck's cappings painted...aren't they galvanized? How would anybody know I was so smart as to choose to galvanize my bulkhead, if I were to paint over it??? Paint indeed!!! "I had another look last night, and it seems that I can probably get away with keeping the bulk of the wiring in place, just bundle it out of the way, detach the brakes and clutch, unbolt the firewall and deal with the rust and put it back in place. I have plans, however, to ensure minimize future water pooling between the top of the footwell/splash guard, and to keep gravel from spitting up and removing the paint on the lower footwell. And, was looking at chainsaw bar oil and amongst its ingredients are "tack additive" and "anti corrosion additive" so I think that may be my cheap bugger solution for spraying into the box sections afterwards." Industrious bugger, aren't you???...why not just cut some drain holes to let the water out...and stay on the pavement! ;-)> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:32:20 -0700 From: "Clayton Kirkwood" Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Marin Faure Marin-- I definitely agree with you that the list has been listing one direction. Personally, I like your memos well enough and I appreciate your comments. I certainly don't read everything anymore, most of the titles don't seem to be worthwhile. There are plenty of folks still interested in maintaining not mangling. Hey, and piss on 'em if their pants are a little tight. C > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lro@works.team.net [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On > Behalf Of Faure, Marin > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:06 PM > To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' > Subject: LRO: Re: Marin Faure > > > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:14:52 -0500 > From: "cde3" > Subject: LRO: RE: Marin Faure > > >If you are bored (as I am) or offended by Marin Faure's > e-mails, do what I > do. Have all of them directly deposited into their own > folder which goes > directly into the recycle bin. > > Sounds like a good solution. I'm sorry if I've offended > anyone on the > list as that wasn't my intention. But the subject of what's > a Land Rover > and what isn't escalated to the point where it became more an > exercise > in semantics than a useful discussion, and I'm certainly > largely to blame > for that. The stuff on youth was an entertaining (but not to > everyone, > I guess) sideline, but that, too, got out of hand, for which > I, again, > was largely responsible. So I'm sorry for getting people > wrapped around > the axle on what didn't seem to me to be very big deals. > > When I started participating in this list a few years ago, it > seemed to > be largely made up of people who were interested in keeping > their Series > Land Rovers running more or less in original form. As this > is what I am > interested in, too, and is what I've been doing for almost > three decades > now, I found the list a useful exchange of information. The > list has changed > dramatically over the last year or so, to the point where it > now seems to be made up > mostly of people who are interested in modifying their Land > Rovers to suit their > purposes. That's okay, of course. But with a dwindling > interest in the marque > as built, I suppose it's natural for someone who is > interested in the vehicles as > they were designed to express some frustration. Judging by > the reaction of the > "new" list membership, I guess I went too far in expressing > that frustration. So > I'm sorry for upsetting so many of you. > > Those of us in the US who bought Land Rovers back in the "old > days" of the > '60s and '70s got used to being almost totally self-reliant > outside of finding a > parts source. There was no internet, no mailing list, and > pretty much no > communication between people who had Land Rovers unless you happened > to live near someone who had one. For help, you called the > few people who > were selling parts back then or a Land Rover representative. > Of course the > Land Rover reps were gone after 1974. Those of us who ran > Land Rovers > back then (and there were a fair amount of folks who did; I'm > certainly not some > sort of rare breed in that respect) learned a lot about the > vehicles in the course of > keeping them going day after day. That's useful information > to someone with a > stock Land Rover, but that knowledge is of dwindling value > today, at least in the > US. > > I understand the Toyota FJ40 folks are undergoing the same > shift, from > driving and maintaining the vehicles as built to heavily > modifying them to > suit the owners' needs or desires. I'm sorry to see the same > thing happening > to Land Rovers, but I guess it's inevitable as parts become > harder to get and > people try to make a forty-year old design cope with today's > traffic conditions. > I can certainly understand the frustration of trying to drive > a stock Land Rover > in traffic today, as I am in that boat myself. > > I will continue to maintain my Series as-built, and if I see > a question on the list > that I think I can help answer, I'll do so. I'm not > reversing my opinion on what's > a Land Rover and what's a hybrid, but it's certainly not > productive to argue a > point that has no meaning or importance anymore for most Land > Rover owners. > ___________________________ > C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:40:50 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks >> not simply take the tank to a rad. shop and have it boiled? > > fine - but what about my dog? > Rich, I think he meant that getting the dog boiled will cure any barking problems Yes I am kidding, sheesh you PETA folks should change yer name to PITA. Pete'bringing all the Rovers to Seattle' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 12:52:57 -0700 From: "Hoult, Bryan" Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Marin Faure Group hug time. Bryan 62 88 71 109 - -----Original Message----- From: Faure, Marin [mailto:Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:06 PM To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' Subject: LRO: Re: Marin Faure Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:14:52 -0500 From: "cde3" Subject: LRO: RE: Marin Faure >If you are bored (as I am) or offended by Marin Faure's e-mails, do what I do. Have all of them directly deposited into their own folder which goes directly into the recycle bin. Sounds like a good solution. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone on the list as that wasn't my intention. But the subject of what's a Land Rover and what isn't escalated to the point where it became more an exercise in semantics than a useful discussion, and I'm certainly largely to blame for that. The stuff on youth was an entertaining (but not to everyone, I guess) sideline, but that, too, got out of hand, for which I, again, was largely responsible. So I'm sorry for getting people wrapped around the axle on what didn't seem to me to be very big deals. When I started participating in this list a few years ago, it seemed to be largely made up of people who were interested in keeping their Series Land Rovers running more or less in original form. As this is what I am interested in, too, and is what I've been doing for almost three decades now, I found the list a useful exchange of information. The list has changed dramatically over the last year or so, to the point where it now seems to be made up mostly of people who are interested in modifying their Land Rovers to suit their purposes. That's okay, of course. But with a dwindling interest in the marque as built, I suppose it's natural for someone who is interested in the vehicles as they were designed to express some frustration. Judging by the reaction of the "new" list membership, I guess I went too far in expressing that frustration. So I'm sorry for upsetting so many of you. Those of us in the US who bought Land Rovers back in the "old days" of the '60s and '70s got used to being almost totally self-reliant outside of finding a parts source. There was no internet, no mailing list, and pretty much no communication between people who had Land Rovers unless you happened to live near someone who had one. For help, you called the few people who were selling parts back then or a Land Rover representative. Of course the Land Rover reps were gone after 1974. Those of us who ran Land Rovers back then (and there were a fair amount of folks who did; I'm certainly not some sort of rare breed in that respect) learned a lot about the vehicles in the course of keeping them going day after day. That's useful information to someone with a stock Land Rover, but that knowledge is of dwindling value today, at least in the US. I understand the Toyota FJ40 folks are undergoing the same shift, from driving and maintaining the vehicles as built to heavily modifying them to suit the owners' needs or desires. I'm sorry to see the same thing happening to Land Rovers, but I guess it's inevitable as parts become harder to get and people try to make a forty-year old design cope with today's traffic conditions. I can certainly understand the frustration of trying to drive a stock Land Rover in traffic today, as I am in that boat myself. I will continue to maintain my Series as-built, and if I see a question on the list that I think I can help answer, I'll do so. I'm not reversing my opinion on what's a Land Rover and what's a hybrid, but it's certainly not productive to argue a point that has no meaning or importance anymore for most Land Rover owners. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:53:55 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: Galvanizing Bulkheads and Shipfitters... > I know this question has been flogged to death, but how does one get a > bulkhead galvanized without having it distort? I vaguely remeber someone > saying to search for an outfit that would pre heat/soak the item before > dipping? Or do you just wrench it into place and bolt 'er in. > Why not get a piece of thick walled U channel with the innder dimension large enough to fit the bolkhead out rigger fittings. If the U is not available then make your own from 2"x2"x1/2" angle. You could also use an I beam I guess. Drill holes in appropriate spot, drop in the bulkhead. This would prevent any distortion of the legs. Plenty of people have done the galvy bulkhead without problem (Timm Cooper and ...damm mind just went blank.) Someone just posted a link for the SU sidedraft on a Series Rover. They had a galvy BH also. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:09:36 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Re: Marin Faure > Bryan > 62 88 > 71 109 <<<< covering both the front yard and the back yard ;-P > > -----Original Message----- > From: Faure, Marin [mailto:Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:06 PM > To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' > Subject: LRO: Re: Marin Faure > > > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:14:52 -0500 > From: "cde3" > Subject: LRO: RE: Marin Faure > > >If you are bored (as I am) or offended by Marin Faure's e-mails, do what I > do. Have all of them directly deposited into their own folder which goes > directly into the recycle bin. > > Sounds like a good solution. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone on the > list as that wasn't my intention. But the subject of what's a Land Rover > and what isn't escalated to the point where it became more an exercise > in semantics than a useful discussion, and I'm certainly largely to blame > for that. The stuff on youth was an entertaining (but not to everyone, > I guess) sideline, but that, too, got out of hand, for which I, again, > was largely responsible. So I'm sorry for getting people wrapped around > the axle on what didn't seem to me to be very big deals. > > When I started participating in this list a few years ago, it seemed to > be largely made up of people who were interested in keeping their Series > Land Rovers running more or less in original form. As this is what I am > interested in, too, and is what I've been doing for almost three decades > now, I found the list a useful exchange of information. The list has > changed > dramatically over the last year or so, to the point where it now seems to be > made up > mostly of people who are interested in modifying their Land Rovers to suit > their > purposes. That's okay, of course. But with a dwindling interest in the > marque > as built, I suppose it's natural for someone who is interested in the > vehicles as > they were designed to express some frustration. Judging by the reaction of > the > "new" list membership, I guess I went too far in expressing that > frustration. So > I'm sorry for upsetting so many of you. > > Those of us in the US who bought Land Rovers back in the "old days" of the > '60s and '70s got used to being almost totally self-reliant outside of > finding a > parts source. There was no internet, no mailing list, and pretty much no > communication between people who had Land Rovers unless you happened > to live near someone who had one. For help, you called the few people who > were selling parts back then or a Land Rover representative. Of course the > Land Rover reps were gone after 1974. Those of us who ran Land Rovers > back then (and there were a fair amount of folks who did; I'm certainly not > some > sort of rare breed in that respect) learned a lot about the vehicles in the > course of > keeping them going day after day. That's useful information to someone with > a > stock Land Rover, but that knowledge is of dwindling value today, at least > in the > US. > > I understand the Toyota FJ40 folks are undergoing the same shift, from > driving and maintaining the vehicles as built to heavily modifying them to > suit the owners' needs or desires. I'm sorry to see the same thing > happening > to Land Rovers, but I guess it's inevitable as parts become harder to get > and > people try to make a forty-year old design cope with today's traffic > conditions. > I can certainly understand the frustration of trying to drive a stock Land > Rover > in traffic today, as I am in that boat myself. > > I will continue to maintain my Series as-built, and if I see a question on > the list > that I think I can help answer, I'll do so. I'm not reversing my opinion on > what's > a Land Rover and what's a hybrid, but it's certainly not productive to argue > a > point that has no meaning or importance anymore for most Land Rover owners. > ___________________________ > C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:17:07 -0600 From: Ivan Van Laningham Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks Hi All-- Hope Peter wrote: > > Yes I am kidding, sheesh you PETA folks should change yer name to PITA. > Pete'bringing all the Rovers to Seattle' As a card-carrying member of PETA, I can respond to this patently inflammatory missive;-) A while back when PETA wanted to register the domain www.peta.com and set up their website, they found that the domain was unavailable. Visitors to www.peta.com found themselves perusing a web page entitled, "People Eating Tasty Animals." -ly y'rs, Ivan;-) - ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham Symantec http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #326 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Tue Apr 10 23:35:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3B3ZjN12598 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:35:45 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3B2VY121069 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3B2VX821066 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22803 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f3B1g5e02218 for lro-digest-gone; Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:42:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:42:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200104110142.f3B1g5e02218@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #327 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Tuesday, April 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 327 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:21:29 -0400 From: William L Leacock Subject: [none] Al writes On the question 0f 5-8-3 suction and the like: Could you translate that into poor dumb American? I assume it is advance at various levels of vacuum though I might well (and often have been) wrong. I sit at the feet of the master and await the wisdom... Seriously, though - I am interested. I have been trying to lern Americun for the past six years and have finally mastered aluminum ( I process enough in a year to circulate the globe 4 times - is that Ameriken enuf?) Your assumption is correct. The 25D4 is a basic distributor model, the parts that can be varied include- the flyweights, the springs, the cam, and the vacuum advance unit. There are a few types of cap too, but they are not a problem with the appropriate wires. The mechanical and the vacuum advance angles are all matched to the ngine requirements. I have salvaged several LR distributors by using only the casing from a dizzie that showed less bearing wear on units from a number of BMC 4 cyi engines Regards from Western New York State Bill Leacock. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:37:31 +0200 From: jos de vries Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix does a pertronix fit a militairy 24 v (actualy 12v) distibutors?? gr JOS Jos de Vries Delft, Holland Land Rover SANTANA 109 D Especial '71 Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 LPG > > OK, now I am wishing that I had put the pertronix in my rig way back when > instead of the Crane. Sigh. So, how long does it take to install. Two > minutes? Five? > > > Twenty minutes if you're in a hurry - a half-hour if you let the engine > warm up well to time it properly... > > ajr > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:48:57 +0200 From: jos de vries Subject: LRO: Re: RE: DC 3's sadly dc3's do fail. 2/3 months ago a DC3 went down in Venezuela, (very bad maintenance) all were killed. 5 years a dutch dc3 went down, the highest maintenaince possible. Again all were killed. Was not flown for a commercial airline, but by a club,Dutch dacota association dedicated to flying dc3 and dc4 yet both engines failed. (some small but important thing, could not be discovered beforehand, fatigue). gr JOS member of DDA Delft, Holland Land Rover SANTANA 109 D Especial '71 Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 LPG > Over built is an understatement in relation to the DC3. One got flew into a > thunderstorm (before radar) and hit a down draft so severe it literally > ripped some of the seats out of the floor. Plane went on to a normal > landing and was back in service after a little 'maintenance'. > > Some people are rebuilding the 3 with turbine engines. Haven't seen a whole > much of them. Would expect them to soldier on into the next century with > such a modification. They were such a quantum leap in aircraft technology > that its hard to duplicate, even today. Expect availability at a low price, > however, is a big factor in keeping them in the air. > > Had the experience of flying in a DC3 that had been all gussied up to look > like a modern commercial plane. It was used for regularly scheduled flights > from Miami to Key West back in the 70's. Definitely faster and quieter than > a Ford Tri Motor. > > The float plane DC3 must have some humongous floats. DC3s weigh a bit more > than a Cessna 180. > > Talking about flying in archaeological artifacts. Used to fly as a > passenger in a C54 from Oahu to Kauai back in the early '70s. Was poking > around in the airplane and found a plaque that the airplane had been used in > the Berlin airlift. Further investigation found that the airplane was built > before I was borne in '44. Assume that plane has long since gone to the > bone yard. That squadron also had a C-47 that I flew in once. Was afraid > to ask how old that one was. > > > >From: "Tackley, John" > >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net > >To: "'lro@works.team.net'" > >Subject: RE: LRO: Birthday Wish (Non-Land Rover) > >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:35:16 -0400 > > > >Rick mentioned: > > > >"Given that there are several hundred it not thousands of the birds still > >working daily worldwide I don't think you have to worry too much." > > > >...and most of them have to be in the Carribean...in February, when I flew > >in San Juan, PR, I counted at least a dozen DC-3s on the tarmac, with 2 or > >3 > >more either in TO or Landing. They are constantly overhead @ the SJ > >airport. It seems every little island is serviced by DC-3s and they are > >the > >mainstay of every little Carribiean airline's fleet. > >Has to be due to ease of maintenance and ease of piloting...not to mention > >that they are overbuilt like a LR. > > > >JT/ric > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:49:20 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: Swappin' ramblings (no flames, just commentary) Ok, so that was fun wasn't it? I will be the first to admit, I have modified my truck in a few ways to make it fit better into my life. And, yes, I am putting a non rover engine into the rig that I think will also help it fit better for what I want the truck to do. I also quite admire what people like TeriAnn have done with their trucks, and belive that solid, well thought out hybrids and conversions can be very nice trucks. What is that converted truck worth? Whatever anyone is willing to pay. Is it a land rover? Well, we have had that discussion already, haven't we? ;-) OTOH, I was driving last year through Vancouver and was approched and passed by what was once an 80". It now was wearing 35" boggers, lifted to the sky with lift blocks and super arced springs, from the looks of it, it was buit on a scout or perhaps jeep chassis. It had ultra cheesy fender flares and basically was a driving (barely) testament to land rover butchery. Worse, in my mind, was, it was a prime example of how not to "build" a 4x4 in the first place. Just looking in my mirror and at its behind, I could see that it had violated several fundamental rules about conversions, things like using overarced springs, extravagant axle spacer blocks, body lift (not in itself a bad thing) and twisted diffs. Who knows what more lied beneath. The fenders would give about 2mm of articulation, heck, driving over a speed bump on one side would probably cross axle this rig! This, to me, is a "bad" conversion. So, back to me... I find that I am very very reluctant to cut, chop, weld or otherwise mangle my truck. Bolting and unbolting things is a different matter. This is one of the beauties of engine conversions like the iron duke. One can convert the truck over to the engine without modifying the fundamental fabric of the vehicle one whit. If the truck is sold 10 years down the road and someone wants to restore it to previous condition, it is a simple bolt out-bolt in job. I think it is admirable that some people keep their trucks in stock condition, both "original used" and "concourse" shape. I happen to have a garage full of bits that I hope one day will be transformed into a more or less stock 80". It will probably never be 100% original, as it has led an extremely hard life and I am going to have to bitsa quite a few pieces together. But, I know a farmer in the Similkameen who has two 80" trucks that he has run constantly for the past 30 years or so as his about the farm trucks. These have been used, maintained, rebuilt and slightly modified (farm things, like installing a rack to carry irrigation pipe). I have my eye on one of these trucks, and I think if I manage to get one of them, I would like to keep it in more or less "original used" shape. In this case, I think it would be a shame to restore it to concourse condition as it would loose some of its historical character. Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:02:17 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: cubs game **no LR content...again** I once tuned into a baseball game on the TV I got bored and switched it off. When I next checked about a year later the game was still going on. Might still be for all I know. John and Muddy Chris Oles wrote: > > John & Muddy: The game was between 2 teams in Major League Baseball. > Nearly as exciting as watching paint dry and grass grow but a great time if > one is in to drinking beer, socializing with friends and enjoying the > "friendly confines" of Wrigley Field. > > Ivan/John: I do live in Chicago, about 6 blocks south of Wrigley in a very > eclectic neighborhood called Lakeview. I'm sure the Cubs were supposed to > lose but they actually pulled it out 2-1. I'm still amazed that all of > these years of losing seasons and they still sell-out nearly every game. > > Still no leads on the tape... > > Chris > 70 SIIa 88 > > Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:18:25 -0600 > From: Ivan Van Laningham > Subject: Re: LRO: Anyone tape the Cubs/Expos game last Thursday? ***no LR > content*** > > Hi All-- > > John Cranfield wrote: > > > >What sort of a game was that then? > >John and Muddy > > > >Chris Oles wrote: > > > > > > Played hookie from work last Thursday and went to the game. > > Hmmm, I'm not sure either, but whatever kind it was I think the Cubs > were supposed to lose. > > -ly y'rs, > Ivan;-) > > PS: Hey, Chris, you live in Chicago???? > - ---------------------------------------------- > Ivan Van Laningham > Symantec > http://www.pauahtun.org > http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html > Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 > Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:05:56 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Re: Series Fuel tanks David Scheidt wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Rich Williams II wrote: > > :> Why not simply take the tank to a rad. shop and have it boiled? > : > :fine - but what about my dog? > > Dog is good boiled, too. > -- I understand they serve it a baseball games between cardboard buns covered with red,green and yellow slime John and Muddy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:11:24 -0700 From: Tom Gross Subject: LRO: A little plug for Rovers Down South I recently rebuilt part of my Fairey overdrive. Just wanted to tell the list that Rovers Down South had the parts at a fair price, and delivered them promptly. George, in true New Orleans tradition, included a little lagniappe. I replaced the input gear and bearings at the rear of the mainshaft. The OD is still noisy, but I can keep replacing parts until George runs out, or I throw the thing away. Tom Gross '67 NADA 6cyl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:24:30 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: LRO: Galvanizing Bulkheads > >I know this question has been flogged to death, but how does one get a >bulkhead galvanized without having it distort? I vaguely remeber someone >saying to search for an outfit that would pre heat/soak the item before >dipping? Or do you just wrench it into place and bolt 'er in. > Don't do it! >From the info I've gathered, there is NOTHING that will prevent heat related warping at some scale. Regardless of how carefully you heat and cool, all lengthy, flat spans of unsupported thin sheet metal will warp a bit (esp. the panel above tranny tunnel and rear portions of shelves). The critical thing is how it is handled out of the zinc bath until the piece cools. The bulkhead is mostly made of spot welded pieces of thin steel sheet. If man-handled while still hot, the whole thing can bend. bolting channel iron across critical spans will help (you usually pay by the pound) but other surfaces can still bend. I saw a galv. SI bulkhead at David Gage's shop that looked like it had been set down on the engine side a bit too hard. The bottom/front of all the shelves & inst. panel had curled up and in... ouch. That said, to do it over again, I wouldn't galvanize my bulkhead. Too many things can and do go wrong. Mine didn't warp too much, but it had a large amount of slag and drizzle to grind off (HUGE PIA and it still ain't straight). To get it slag free they have to "bump" the piece, while still hot, adding to to the inevitable warpage. It is also hard to get the piece totally free of slag because of it's compound angles & difficulty in manipulation so every section can drain. The passivating solution after the zinc bath also has a large effect on slag and surface appearance and all galvinizers do not use the same process (so ask). Maybe, If you had a spare bulkhead to fall back on, knew the right questions to ask, and had a good working relationship w/ the folks at the galvanizers (or went thru someone who did), It might be worth considering. maybe but probably not. cheers, - -todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:33:15 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: LRO: distributor thread Holy bats, cow man... This sure beats arguing over the inarguable. Thanks, for the input, everyone. This is what I love about this list. everbody knows a little about everything and lots about somethings and it all comes together in the most utterly mysterious of ways. Beautiful! - -todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:39:38 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Re: Galvanizing Bulkheads I have also heard of potential problems with sandblasting bulkheads. I was preparing to blast the BH but was told not to by someone who knows more than I do about such matters. Any thoughts to this out there? Rich Williams Series II 109 SW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Ondick To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 3:24 PM Subject: LRO: Galvanizing Bulkheads > > > > >I know this question has been flogged to death, but how does one get a > >bulkhead galvanized without having it distort? I vaguely remeber someone > >saying to search for an outfit that would pre heat/soak the item before > >dipping? Or do you just wrench it into place and bolt 'er in. > > > > > Don't do it! > > >From the info I've gathered, there is NOTHING that will prevent heat related > warping at some scale. Regardless of how carefully you heat and cool, all > lengthy, flat spans of unsupported thin sheet metal will warp a bit (esp. > the panel above tranny tunnel and rear portions of shelves). > > The critical thing is how it is handled out of the zinc bath until the piece > cools. The bulkhead is mostly made of spot welded pieces of thin steel > sheet. If man-handled while still hot, the whole thing can bend. bolting > channel iron across critical spans will help (you usually pay by the pound) > but other surfaces can still bend. I saw a galv. SI bulkhead at David > Gage's shop that looked like it had been set down on the engine side a bit > too hard. The bottom/front of all the shelves & inst. panel had curled up > and in... ouch. > > That said, to do it over again, I wouldn't galvanize my bulkhead. Too many > things can and do go wrong. Mine didn't warp too much, but it had a large > amount of slag and drizzle to grind off (HUGE PIA and it still ain't > straight). To get it slag free they have to "bump" the piece, while still > hot, adding to to the inevitable warpage. It is also hard to get the piece > totally free of slag because of it's compound angles & difficulty in > manipulation so every section can drain. The passivating solution after > the zinc bath also has a large effect on slag and surface appearance and all > galvinizers do not use the same process (so ask). Maybe, If you had a > spare bulkhead to fall back on, knew the right questions to ask, and had a > good working relationship w/ the folks at the galvanizers (or went thru > someone who did), It might be worth considering. maybe but probably not. > > cheers, > -todd > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:30:19 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: Galvanizing Bulkheads and Shipfitters... Alan extemporizes... >Now, if you want to do this to your hellish heathen UN Land Rover you might >want to try a trick I saw a guy do once. ONce you have taken that first step down the slippery slope, you cannot stop... >The splash guards were rubber rather than metal and had been made from ine >belting. These were held in place with galvanized fasteners, with spacers >between the rubber and the footwell to allow for drainage. Funnily enough, this is *exactly* what I was planning on doing! Seemed a really nice idea to me - were I to do it however I'd likely use truck anti-sail flap material (1/2" thick neoprene). Then John adds... >...you say I have a Kodiak heater hole???....that's gotta be cool...how much >does that increase the value of my truck??? None, the truck comes standard with the hole. You see, there is this little thing about the bulkhead being made to be either LHD or RHD and the kodiak uses one of these holes... ;-) So it seems, either forget the distortion (just wrench it to shape) or bolt some HD channel to the thing to keep it straight. Considering how many folks have done this now, I guess it sounds reasonably safe. Not quite sure I am ready for the galvanized bulkhead look yet. I will have to think about that one... >Industrious bugger, aren't you???...why not just cut some drain holes to let >the water out...and stay on the pavement! 'Cause what I am planning on doing shouldn't take more than a couple of hours to do. Besides, there are already drain holes that let some of the water into the footwell... Regards Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:00:02 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Galvanizing Bulkheads >From: "Rich Williams II" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: LRO: Re: Galvanizing Bulkheads >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:39:38 -0700 > >I have also heard of potential problems with sandblasting bulkheads. I was >preparing to blast the BH but was told not to by someone who knows more >than >I do about such matters. > >Any thoughts to this out there? don't know about problems w/ blasting. had mine done w/ ceramic beads & it worked great. Had some beads get stuck at the seams between spot-welded panels, but a paper clip got most out & stubborn ones came w/ the addition of a little heat. more annoyance than problem. - -todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:11:37 -0400 From: Lori Sickley Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix Might find your answer from: http://www.classicgarage.com/classicgarage/parts-pertronix-ignitors-land-rover.html or http://www.pertronix.com/ignitor.htm 1 800-827-3758 Sorry, it's California : ) Lori >does a pertronix fit a militairy 24 v (actualy 12v) distibutors?? > >gr JOS >Jos de Vries >Delft, Holland >Land Rover SANTANA 109 D Especial '71 >Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 LPG > > > > > > OK, now I am wishing that I had put the pertronix in my rig way back when > > instead of the Crane. Sigh. So, how long does it take to install. Two > > minutes? Five? > > > > > > Twenty minutes if you're in a hurry - a half-hour if you let the engine > > warm up well to time it properly... > > > > ajr > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:11:36 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Galvanizing Bulkheads > I have also heard of potential problems with sandblasting bulkheads. I was > preparing to blast the BH but was told not to by someone who knows more than > I do about such matters. > > Any thoughts to this out there? Sand blasting does generate heat. It is possible to warp body panels. I wouldn't worry about the BH though. Just vacume the heck out of it after wards, then wipe down with copiuos amounts of laquer thinner or some such to remove any residue. Then etch prime imediately, or else it will rust within hours. The big problem with blasting some parts is ensuring that the dust from the process gets out of all the cracks and crannies, otherwise the second you hit the triger on the spray gun, the surface suddenly looks and feels like sand paper. When I disassembled my BH I used chem paint stripper and then sandblaster the rust spots. AT the resto shop we had a blaster that mixed water into the stream. Theory was that it cooled the metal and prevented warping. Seemed to me that what you were really doing was injecting water into the freshly exposed steel. Surface rust would start before the parts was even dry. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:39:01 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Pertronix On Tue, 10 Apr 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: : :OK, now I am wishing that I had put the pertronix in my rig way back when :instead of the Crane. Sigh. So, how long does it take to install. Two :minutes? Five? : : :Twenty minutes if you're in a hurry - a half-hour if you let the engine :warm up well to time it properly... : I guess I'm horribly slow. It took me an hour this afternoon. That does include finding the dang thing. And figuring out I don't have any timing marks! (unless they're way off on the flywheel.) - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:25:38 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Fuel in the tank Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:26:58 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Fuel in the tank >What's the best way to remove the remaining fuel in the tank? Drain what you can out of the drain in the bottom of the tank. Then remove the tank from the vehicle if you haven't already, and remove the fuel gauge sender unit from the top of the tank. This will leave a pretty good sized hole that you can use to get the remaining fuel out. If you're concerned about fumes, put the drain plug back in and fill the tank with water, then drain. Although the fuel and water won't mix, this will tend to pull out whatever fuel is left in the tank. If you're going to weld on the tank for any reason, either use some system of ensuring the tank is purged of all fumes, or fill it with water. This is what our maintenance guy at the TV station I worked at in Honolulu would do when he had to weld brackets, etc. onto generator fuel tanks and so on. >Is it best to empty it using the drain in the bottom of the tank or siphon it out from above? Anyone have any experience with those "jiggle hoses"? Siphoning won't get all the fuel out. It will get most of it out, but not all. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:40:22 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: RE: DC 3's Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 08:14:18 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: LRO: RE: DC 3's >The float plane DC3 must have some humongous floats. DC3s weigh a bit more than a Cessna 180. If you're interested..... the float-equipped C-47s were conceived during WWII because it was thought that they would be needed to supply the army and marines during the island-hopping campaign. The floats were designed and built by EDO, and are actually amphibious. Each float displaces 29,400 pounds. Only a few sets were made and fitted to C-47s. As it turned out, the Navy's Seabees could construct usable airfields within days of an assault landing on an island, so the need for the float-equipped C-47s never materialized, and the program was scrapped after only two airplanes had been fitted with the floats. The set on the DC-3 in New England is the last remaining set in existence, and they sat abandoned in the weeds at an East Coast airport for decades. The floats were never put under DC-3s, but only the two C-47s, which are basically the same airplane but there are some differences. So the DC-3 exhibit plane is ALMOST accurate, but not quite. However, the fellow who spearheaded the project had access to a DC-3 but not a C-47, so he used what he had. The Navy also had a program to put floats under F4F Wildcat fighters to counter the float-equipped Japanese Zero. The idea was the same- provide air support for forward combat areas that did not have airfields yet. The Seabees rendered this project unnecessary, as well, and only two Wildcats, called Wild Catfish by the Navy, were ever put on floats. I got all this information from Jay Frey, the past president of the EDO company's float division when I was writing my float plane book. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:47:41 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: The great shock debate Not to start a big war here but I need to replace the entire suspension on my 109 station wagon and would like some advice. Springs: I understand my 2 options are parabolic or stock and I am going with stock. If anyone has any insight or comments here I'm all ears. Shocks: Gas or hydraulic? The Woodhead (Genuine LR) hydraulic shocks work very well on heavier Jaguars (my only point of reference) and they seem to be of good quality. Gas shocks (most speak of Old Man Emu shocks) seem to be very popular as well. This truck will be my everyday driver but I will also be using it a great deal in the woods. Not hairy 4WD stuff but it will see plenty of trails. So anyone who has used some of this stuff please chime in - and is there anything else I need to consider when replacing the suspension? I was told I need to upgrade to IIa shackles and replace the frame bushings. Anything else? Thanks everyone. Rich '60 SII 109 Station Wagon (now filling 2 of the 3 stalls in my parent's garage) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:00:00 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Changing RR coolant I notice some of you have Range Rovers in addition to your Series. One of the really annoying things about the Range Rover, at least the US-spec classic version, is that there is no radiator drain as there is on a Series. The factory service manual instructions for draining the radiator are to remove the lower radiator hose. As you probably know, it's critical that the Rover V-8 (or any aluminum engine) have the correct ratio of anti-freeze, and that it be in good condition. If left unchanged for a few years, old coolant will actually start to dissolve the block from the inside (so I was told by the factory manager at Land Rover's Solihull plant in the early '90s). So it's important to change the coolant in a Rover V-8 at least once a year if you're interested in getting the longest life possible out of the engine. Pulling off the lower radiator hose makes an amazing mess as the coolant splashes all over the place, most of it missing the bucket you put under there. After doing this five or six times and watching toxic anti-freeze escape down the driveway (it will kill almost any animal that licks it up), I started siphoning the coolant out with a long length of clear plastic tubing. This gets about two gallons out, the capacity of the radiator. It doesn't drain the block, but there's not enough in there to worry about. The comments on draining a Series gas tank reminded me of this technique that works well on the Range Rover radiator. Why they didn't include a simple drain on the Range Rover's radiator is beyond me. You wouldn't think it would increase the cost of the thing THAT much. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:14:10 -0400 From: "Perrone Ford" Subject: LRO: RE: Changing RR coolant Marin, The first time I drained the coolant, I decided then and there that I would switch over to the more environmentally friendly coolant. So that is what I run now. But the REAL travesty in all of this is that the Range Rovers USED to have a draincock BEFORE they were imported to the US!!! Damn silly. - -Perrone > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On > Behalf Of Faure, Marin > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:00 PM > To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' > Subject: LRO: Changing RR coolant > > > I notice some of you have Range Rovers in addition to > your Series. One of the really annoying things about > the Range Rover, at least the US-spec classic version, > is that there is no radiator drain as there is on a Series. > The factory service manual instructions for draining the > radiator are to remove the lower radiator hose. As you > probably know, it's critical that the Rover V-8 (or any aluminum > engine) have the correct ratio of anti-freeze, and that it > be in good condition. If left unchanged for a few years, old > coolant will actually start to dissolve the block from the > inside (so I was told by the factory manager at Land Rover's > Solihull plant in the early '90s). So it's important to change > the coolant in a Rover V-8 at least once a year if you're > interested in getting the longest life possible out of the engine. > > Pulling off the lower radiator hose makes an amazing mess as > the coolant splashes all over the place, most of it missing the > bucket you put under there. After doing this five or six times > and watching toxic anti-freeze escape down the driveway (it will > kill almost any animal that licks it up), I started > siphoning the coolant out with a long length of clear plastic tubing. > This gets about two gallons out, the capacity of the radiator. It > doesn't drain the block, but there's not enough in there to worry about. > The comments on draining a Series gas tank reminded me of this > technique that works well on the Range Rover radiator. Why they > didn't include a simple drain on the Range Rover's radiator is beyond > me. You wouldn't think it would increase the cost of the thing > THAT much. > ___________________________ > C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:19:04 -0400 From: "Perrone Ford" Subject: LRO: RE: The great shock debate Rich, Forget the woodheads. If for no other reason than they need to be replaced about ever 40-50k miles while the OMEs or the Bilstein shocks will go over 200k. Not to mention they ride better, are built better, and have better damping characteristics. I've ridden on parabolic and stock springs. If you ride without heavy loads most of the time, the parabolic are FAR superior. If you are going to be on expedition often, then the LR springs are in order. - -P > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On > Behalf Of Rich Williams II > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:48 PM > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > Subject: LRO: The great shock debate > > > Not to start a big war here but I need to replace the entire suspension on > my 109 station wagon and would like some advice. > > Springs: I understand my 2 options are parabolic or stock and I am going > with stock. If anyone has any insight or comments here I'm all ears. > > Shocks: Gas or hydraulic? The Woodhead (Genuine LR) hydraulic > shocks work > very well on heavier Jaguars (my only point of reference) and they seem to > be of good quality. Gas shocks (most speak of Old Man Emu shocks) seem to > be very popular as well. > > This truck will be my everyday driver but I will also be using it a great > deal in the woods. Not hairy 4WD stuff but it will see plenty of trails. > > So anyone who has used some of this stuff please chime in - and is there > anything else I need to consider when replacing the suspension? > I was told > I need to upgrade to IIa shackles and replace the frame bushings. > Anything > else? > > Thanks everyone. > > Rich > '60 SII 109 Station Wagon > (now filling 2 of the 3 stalls in my parent's garage) > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:28:21 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Shipfitters... >But really it depends on the galvanizer--the one in Denver I'll be taking >my bulkhead to soon doesn't care about rust, but paint must be removed >for some reason. Maybe his acid bath only eats rust and not paint? So >I'll have to get mine sandblasted before taking it down there. > >bill The one in town here won't dip anything that is dirty. It must be clean, bare metal. They don't want to get their acid bath dirty!! Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:32:45 -0700 (PDT) From: joe mulqueen Subject: LRO: relay knock found? Well, I loosened my new relay's well torqued top cross mounting bolts and I think I've confirmed the knocking sound (that was heard only under higher driving forces) is coming from the relay shifting in the frame at the bottom end. I never disturbed the lower retainer ring when I installed the new relay. It's always been tight but now apparently not securing the relay. Does anyone know how it's supposed to work? I had simply pushed in the new relay until the top cross bolts had aligned with the frame tabs and thought I was done. Something needs to "shimmed" in this lower region of the frame hole to prevent the new relay from shifting...someone had mentioned someone who had designed a "sleeve"? Thanks for any experiences, Joe Mulqueen '67 SIIA 109 SW __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 01:35:27 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: simple powder coating question My Rocky Mountain mountain bike is powder coated and it is extremely durable. I think you'll only have problems if the prep work is not done. Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:40:33 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: The great shock debate Damn, you mean my woodheads on the 88 with 30 years and 150,000 miles should have been replaced four times. The series' spings move so little, the shocks seem to go on forever. Of course whether shocks are even necessary on a stock sprung truck is a subject for debate. If I was going with stock springs, not much reason to put a lot money in the shocks, the Woodheads will last as long as the springs. Would I put stock springs and shocks back on a series truck, NO!!! Put parabolics on the 88 with OME shocks and love them. I am doing the same thing to the 109. Aloha Peter >From: "Perrone Ford" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: LRO: RE: The great shock debate >Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:19:04 -0400 > >Rich, > > Forget the woodheads. If for no other reason than they need to be >replaced about ever 40-50k miles while the OMEs or the Bilstein shocks will >go over 200k. Not to mention they ride better, are built better, and have >better damping characteristics. > > I've ridden on parabolic and stock springs. If you ride without heavy >loads most of the time, the parabolic are FAR superior. If you are going >to >be on expedition often, then the LR springs are in order. > >-P > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On > > Behalf Of Rich Williams II > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:48 PM > > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > > Subject: LRO: The great shock debate > > > > > > Not to start a big war here but I need to replace the entire suspension >on > > my 109 station wagon and would like some advice. > > > > Springs: I understand my 2 options are parabolic or stock and I am >going > > with stock. If anyone has any insight or comments here I'm all ears. > > > > Shocks: Gas or hydraulic? The Woodhead (Genuine LR) hydraulic > > shocks work > > very well on heavier Jaguars (my only point of reference) and they seem >to > > be of good quality. Gas shocks (most speak of Old Man Emu shocks) seem >to > > be very popular as well. > > > > This truck will be my everyday driver but I will also be using it a >great > > deal in the woods. Not hairy 4WD stuff but it will see plenty of >trails. > > > > So anyone who has used some of this stuff please chime in - and is there > > anything else I need to consider when replacing the suspension? > > I was told > > I need to upgrade to IIa shackles and replace the frame bushings. > > Anything > > else? > > > > Thanks everyone. > > > > Rich > > '60 SII 109 Station Wagon > > (now filling 2 of the 3 stalls in my parent's garage) > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #327 **********************************************