From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Mon Apr 9 10:41:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f39EfYN04302 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:41:34 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f39DbJU25949 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f39DbI825944 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19421 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f39CugZ29740 for lro-digest-gone; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:56:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:56:42 -0400 Message-Id: <200104091256.f39CugZ29740@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #321 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Monday, April 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 321 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:03:34 -0400 From: "Rolston" Subject: Re: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) Might be a good time to go to a Crane or the like electronic points replacement. the Cranes optical shutter doesn't mind a bit of shaft wobble. Jim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Scheidt" To: Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Re: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) > On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Todd Ondick wrote: > > :Terriann's post got me thinking about my wobbly distrubuter shaft. It isn't > :too bad yet, but I'd like to get it fixed sometime in, say, the next 10 to > :15 years. Does anyone know of an outfit that cures shaft wobble? Um, I > :mean, re-bushes dist. shafts? > :regards, > > A good machine shop should be able to replace the bushes. Shockingly, you > can get a rebuilt one from AutoZone, for $65 or so. They won't have one for > a Land-Rover but one for an MGB will work. The advance curves are > different, but that shouldn't matter. I ran a dizzy out of an MG and > didn't have a problem. > > david > -- > dscheidt@tumbolia.com > Bipedalism is only a fad. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:19:38 -0400 From: "James G.Wolf" Subject: LRO: 5 door soft top Who did this? I believe it was someone in GA. It could be someone on the Mostly Metro list. There is a guy on the RN BBS that wants info on this mod. AND YES IT WILL STILL BE A LAND-ROVER FER CHRISTS SAKE. Even if they don't use an official genuine govmnt issue canvas top. Jim Wolf "had my 109 since 71" will do what I damn well want to do to it!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:16:54 EDT From: HeirPhoto@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: 5 door soft top - --part1_c9.ecee7c9.28026786_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/01 9:11:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, elvenwood@whro.net writes: > It could be someone on the > Hello, I have heard of this list but am unable to find it. Are there other interesting Land Rover mailing lists out there. Tony ANTHONY D. MILLER & Co. ~ The Tintype Artist ~ Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes 34 Perryfalls Place Baltimore, Maryland 21236 410-256-7442 www.tintype-artist.com - --part1_c9.ecee7c9.28026786_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/01 9:11:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
elvenwood@whro.net writes:


It could be someone on the
Mostly Metro list.


Hello,
I have heard of this list but am unable to find it. Are there other
interesting Land Rover mailing lists out there.
Tony

ANTHONY D. MILLER & Co.
       ~ The Tintype Artist ~
     Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes
          34 Perryfalls Place
   Baltimore, Maryland 21236
                410-256-7442
      www.tintype-artist.com
- --part1_c9.ecee7c9.28026786_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 15:29:30 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Power Personally, I've never been big on robbers, anyway. Would serve them right. Imagine if we still had all the nifty Egyptian pieces that were destroyed and/or melted down by the robbers of the tombs. Assuming they lose the ability to read English or understand the sign for nuclear danger, must assume a step way back in knowledge and would assume technology. Would they have the ability to bypass modern technology to gain access. I believe we are talking about something that is going way underground, like a 1,000 feet or more. Its not going to be just a pit with a few feet of topsoil over the top. If it was deemed the stuff didn't need to be inspected, the shaft could actually be filled up when it reached capacity and no one would be the wiser. It then could lie very well protected for a long long time. We can't even get to the bottom of that pirate well up in your neighborhood and we're only talking a hundred feet or so. That Pebble Bed reactor the South Africans sure sounds like a solution to non polluting power needs. They are still trying to get the demonstration project up and running. Of course you'll never guess who's trying to prevent them from doing the research. Aloha Peter From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: lro@Works.Team.Net >Subject: Re: LRO: Power >Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:08:06 -0300 > >What if the Pyramids had been ancient nuclear burial sites. It a couple >of hundred years to understand the writing. The tomb raiders didn't heed >any warning that might have been there. Those strucrures were as safe >from break in as their technology could make it. >As soon as any thing get buried or locked away the rumour starts >thatthere must be a great treasure there. To say that the contents would >be well documented does no good as there are today those who deny well >documented history of only 60 years ago. >It's not a solution it is burial of a problem and the soon that the >proneculear lobby gets out of denial the better. >John > >Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > > > If you assume that we will be become illiterate in the future. That >must be > > the eco freak assumption as they would have us either disappear >completely > > or assume a hunting and gathering, stone age level of society. Oops, >guess > > we would have to make that gathering only as we wouldn't want to offend >the > > sensibilities of the PETA people by actually hunting animals. > > > > In reality, A storage sight would be designated, signed etc. in the >current > > lingua franca. Should a new or different language or logo come into >vogue, > > the warnings would undoubtedly be changed to reflect the new current > > language. Of course those that either couldn't read or understand the > > warnings and/or those who chose to ignore the warnings could be left as >an > > additional reminder that the area isn't such a good place to set up new > > digs. > > > > Actually, the plan is to bury the waste in deep tunnels that would be >very > > secure to penetration and not dangerous to anyone who didn't actively > > attempt to get an overdose of radiation. You wouldn't be able to > > accidentally walk up to the radiating material. > > > > The only reason that long term storage hasn't been under taken is NIMBY. > > The same reason that California doesn't have adequate electrical >generation > > capacity from whatever power source. Has nothing to do with ability to > > create just the peoples ability to accept the solution. > > > > Aloha > > Peter > > > > >From: "Lee Jones" > > > > >Not unworkable at all - the die off in the far future will warn those > > >others > > >that live away from the area! Maybe they could leave the skeletons >nearby > > >or > > >on the perimeter.... > > > > > >Lee > > > > >It's also unworkable. Storage of nuclear waste needs to be safe for >longer > > >than one can expect people to be able to read the signs. > > > > > >-- > > >dscheidt@tumbolia.com > > >Bipedalism is only a fad. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:34:39 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: 5 door soft top On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, James G.Wolf wrote: :Who did this? I believe it was someone in GA. It could be someone on the Bill Rice did this. He does have a non-Rover motor, so it might be land-rover after all. Daivd - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:35:01 -0600 From: Ivan Van Laningham Subject: LRO: I drove a series II Hi All-- I was driving to the grocery store and spotted a 1961 Series II for sale. I took notes; 70K original miles, series III Weber carb, lots of other little improvements I didn't understand. I peered into it and looked it over very thoroughly and wrote down the telephone numbers, meaning to call later. I drove back from the grocery the same way, and I spotted a new green Disco pulling into the driveway of the home in front of which the Series II was parked. A young woman got out; I rolled down my window and asked if she were the one selling the Landy. She nodded, so I stopped and explained that I wasn't interested in buying. I would, however, like to sit in it and smell it and stuff like that; it was research for a story. "Want a ride?" she asked, jingling her keys and grinning. Oh, indeed, I did. She tooke me around several blocks and then made me drive the last half-block back to her house. I actually managed it without ruining any gears; not bad for someone who hasn't driven a stick for over twenty years. No one told me there was no insulation on the doors and that you could see all the parts for the latches. When people said Series vehicles don't have very good heaters, I didn't realize that meant that there was a small black box next to the steering wheel that was supposed to heat up the entire interior, and that if you weren't careful you could bang something on it. Shifting and using the clutch, though, those were as described. Now I know what the yellow and red knobs do. But most of all I got to smell it. It smelled like the jeep I drove in the Army thirty-one years ago. I was scared to ask her how much she wanted for it. Good thing, too. I got home and said to my wife, "I spotted a Land Rover for sale. ..." and she interrupted me to say, "I hope you didn't buy it!" -ly y'rs, Ivan;-) - ---------------------------------------------- Ivan Van Laningham Symantec http://www.pauahtun.org/ http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 22:01:02 -0400 From: "M. Tompkins" Subject: LRO: Re: HiLift Jack Accessories. - --------------EBB241AED3C3DC9510136286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try here for the case... http://www.jackguard.com/ I believe I'll order one for mine. I do have a jackmate for mine and believe it's worth the $. I got mine at the last Mid-Atlantic Rally for a few dollars less than listed on the web page. Usual disclaimers about no association.... blah blah blah Cheers, Mike '66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/ Peter Ogilvie wrote: > Have become the proud owner of a high lift jack and now have to figure how > to store it and use it. > > To use it as a winch, is there an adaptor so you can keep tension on the > line while you reposition the lift part to keep pulling continuously. I'm > aware of http://www.rescue42.com/off-road.htm. Their device looks like it > allows the dead end to be hooked up to a chain or whatever around a tree. I > don't how you can keep tension on the moving side, however. Somewhere I > seem to remember seeing an attachment that allowed you to snub a chain up > and hold the tension. Hope the above makes sense. > - --------------EBB241AED3C3DC9510136286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try here for the case...  http://www.jackguard.com/
I believe I'll order one for mine. I do have a jackmate
for mine and believe it's worth the $. I got mine at
the last Mid-Atlantic Rally for a few dollars less than
listed on the web page.
Usual disclaimers about no association.... blah blah blah

Cheers,
Mike
'66 Hybrid Coiler 109" SW
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Trails/6623/
 
 

Peter Ogilvie wrote:

Have become the proud owner of a high lift jack and now have to figure how
to store it and use it.

To use it as a winch, is there an adaptor so you can keep tension on the
line while you reposition the lift part to keep pulling continuously.  I'm
aware of http://www.rescue42.com/off-road.htm.  Their device looks like it
allows the dead end to be hooked up to a chain or whatever around a tree.  I
don't how you can keep tension on the moving side, however.  Somewhere I
seem to remember seeing an attachment that allowed you to snub a chain up
and hold the tension.  Hope the above makes sense.
 

- --------------EBB241AED3C3DC9510136286-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:05:29 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: I drove a series II On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Ivan Van Laningham wrote: :No one told me there was no insulation on the doors and that you could :see all the parts for the latches. When people said Series vehicles :don't have very good heaters, I didn't realize that meant that there was :a small black box next to the steering wheel that was supposed to heat :up the entire interior, and that if you weren't careful you could bang :something on it. Shifting and using the clutch, though, those were as :described. Now I know what the yellow and red knobs do. There were optional things like door panels. They're basically bits of particle board with vinyl on them. Some of them have things like a map pocket in them. They stop a suprising amount of heat loss through the door skins. Heaters are a varied lot. The most common heater is the round smiths heater. It's about 12" in diameter, located next to the driver's right shin in a LHD rover. It's in the same place in RHD truck, except the driver's knee isn't anywhere near it. It's often called the shin burner. The series rover equipped with one is one of the few vehicles that can give the driver second degree burns and frostbite at the same time. David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:36:55 EDT From: Solihull@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: 5 door soft top In a message dated 04/08/2001 18:37:18, dscheidt@tumbolia.com writes: >Bipedalism is only a fad. > > Is this something we can stand on? :-) Cheers!! John Dillingham Vintage Rover Service Canton, Georgia 85 Range Rover Vogue 5speed 68 SWB series IIa 72 SWB series III ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 04:40:59 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: Re LRO: crap crap crap > My concern is that you might buy an off the shelf carb with generic > jetting then either drive with the jetting off and try to make due or > spend a bunch more money than you saved buying jets and tubes to dial the > carb in to work correctly. > Very good point. The people I have talked to at Pierce have been great. Again makes sense to get everything from one source. > Another thought. If you're going through all this you might want to have > your distributer checked for wear then add a pertronix breakerless system > if the distributer is up to snuff. Checked the point gap on all four lobes and it is uniform, so no bent shaft. Not sure of the procedures for checking the dwell. Have a good fluke, but not sure where the manual is. Also don't know what the dwell spec is. GBR is sending me a pertronix. Someone already mentioned that an MGB dizzy fits in the 2.25 Rover. I did this with my first Series III. When checking the points, the gap on # 1 was spec (off the top of my head .014) but #4 was around .10 . It run, but back fired so bad it blew the muffler up :-). I would like to bump the exhaust up to 2". ACR is currently developing an exhasut header for their head/cam/carb set up. Want to talk some more to them about the outlet size they are shooting for. Wait and change out my exhaust after they have it done. DO the rest of the rebuild now, but exhaust could wait. BTW, ACR is also developing a turbocharger for the 2.25. Finally got the Project to hold an idle. Idle screw is in almost all the way. Has to be about an 1/8" gap between the butterfly and carb body, idle is at 850. Hesitation is just about gone on acceleration. Been driving around all day with the window down. 85 degrees, Kona winds, great day :-) Pete ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:04:15 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: LRO: Battery question I've got this battery that doesn't hold a charge. Sort of. What it does is not produce starting current, but only if it's been sitting. It's got 13 something volts, hit the starter and the starter doesn't spin. I'm not sufficently super human to be able to report what the voltage is when the starter isn't. If I start it with the handy-dandy hand crank, it will then start with the starter. This is true even if the engine hasn't run enough to possibly recharge the battery. If it sits for an hour or three, it'll still start. Overnight, it won't. I'm quite certain I'm not draining the battery -- it happens even if the battery is disconnected. Clearly, the battery is junk. (I knew that; it does warn "Made in England") Is there anything worth trying to fix it? - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 21:09:00 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: Re LRO: crap crap crap Clifford Performance makes a header for the 2.25. It was $200 when I got one a couple years ago. The outlet size on it is 2 1/2" OD. Hope Peter wrote: > I would like to bump the exhaust up to 2". ACR is currently developing an > exhasut header for their head/cam/carb set up. Want to talk some more to > them about the outlet size they are shooting for. Wait and change out my > exhaust after they have it done. DO the rest of the rebuild now, but > exhaust could wait. - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 00:24:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Subject: Re: LRO: re: power On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Peter Ogilvie wrote: > Are you Canadian's really happy with the coal fired electrical generation > byproducts drifting up into your neck of the woods??? I'm amazed that so They are going to retube Bruce A, so that plant will be coming back online in the next couple years. Dixon (Bruce is a rather large nuclear power station on Lake Huron, just north of Kincardine, Ontario. Well, there are nine reactors there, eight are 860 megawatts, the ninth is to power the heavy water plant) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 23:39:29 -0500 From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: Hi-lift "Peter Ogilvie" wrote: >Bracketing in the back is the safest place to mount it but it will restrict >storage in the back. Not such a big deal on the 109 but is a factor in the >88. What mount would work best if I decide to go that route?? The standard 4 footer will fit crossways in the back of an 88. Place it on the wheel wells, hard up against the bulkhead. The spare tire bracket (did anyone *ever* use the inside tire mount?) when screwed down vertically will hold the jack in place in even the roughest going. A bit of neoprene under each end and a bungee in the middle keeps down the rattles. Cheers *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary-----* | | | A. P. "Sandy" Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | | (757)423-4898 (757)622-7054 FAX (757)622-7056 | | | *----1972 Series III 88"----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:30:25 -0600 From: "The Stockdales" Subject: LRO: More Power Lets face it folks; Pro-Nuke and No-Nuke parties will continue to fight a emotional battle not a technical one. Yes I work in the Nuke Field, Yes I have been responsible for the burial of thousands of tons of radioactive waste, and Yes I have a small amounts of some of the nastier isotopes inside me. Nuclear power can be a clean and efficient power source. Regulations are created from what-if scenarios that are asked by politicians and citizens alike. We the people created nuclear power (not space aliens or Mr. Spock) and we have to solve the problems of disposal of the waste. Not only waste from the power plants, but medical wastes, fuel cycle wastes and waste from all the other uses of these great unstable isotopes. NIMBY is BS and so is protest. Push on the politicians in a manner that is not confrontational but responsible. We must all accept some of the responsibility. The DOE and NRC, ARE looking for the best technology to store and ultimately eliminate the waste form both govt and civilian sources. Accept that there are possible ends and accept the fact that we all helped create the problem. We are all consumers, and to insure production of goods and the protection to use them we need electricity and heat. We the people of the world created this power source now help to manage it. The media has provided the ignorant with words to get angry about but the media has never educated the public about what really is happening. Words like radiation and contamination are often incorrectly used. Readers Digest version for those who are unsure: Radiation - energy in the form of waves or particles that is emitted from an unstable isotope. Contamination - Finely divided radioactive material in an undesired location. Ask a professional Health Physicist for detailed definitions. Burial of spent fuel. It exists now lets figure out where to put it. first lets ask what you would rather do with these extremely high sources of radiation. Not in your back-yard, thats smart nobody really wants to dose you up anyway. In the basement of the kindergarten down the road, naw that could get embarrassing. In a salt cavern below the desert. Well its not a back yard, nobody ever vacations down there and its a relatively stable place that can be monitored. Your choice Other sources of energy are out there. Fossil fuels are limited and the Btu output per unit of fuel is lousy. Wave and solar are viable and for those of you who keep saying that the energy conglomerates and governments are out to stop these, how come there are so many solar success stories. Have you personally tried it, no well shut up then. If governments and corporations were out to stop inventors, how come we all know about sterling engines and fuel cell technology. Come on Ginger People of the third world cook food over cow dung because its a great heat source thats plentiful. Throw out your microwave and give it a try. Coal fired power plants emit more uncontrolled radioactive particles out the stacks than nuclear power plants release. Sad but true. The combustion of fossil fuels also produces carcinogens. You could get hit by a bus, or shot in a drive by. Earlier in this thread someone mentioned that plutonium supply is limited. BS it keeps ticking, doesn't occur anywhere naturally (yes its man-made), and produces lots of energy. Use low wattage bulbs, recycle, don't get emotional and protest (nobody listens to a raving idiot anyway), get educated, do something smart. Oh and what Marin said about Kids, that too. Hurricane Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 23:09:52 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Hi-lift On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, A. P. "Sandy" Grice wrote: :the wheel wells, hard up against the bulkhead. The spare tire bracket (did :anyone *ever* use the inside tire mount?) when screwed down vertically will Yes. Me. Until I built a toolbox in the back of Mr. Sinclair, I'd put the spare there when off-roading, since I didn't need the space, and it greatly improves visability not to have a 31x9.5 tire on the bonnet. David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:45:18 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: HiLift Jack Accessories. > To use it as a winch, is there an adaptor so you can keep tension on the > line while you reposition the lift part to keep pulling continuously. I'm > aware of http://www.rescue42.com/off-road.htm. Waiste of money. Head over to city mill and pick up some proof chain and some chain connectors, anchor shackles. > Am up in the air as to where to mount the jack. My feeble mind has come up > with four possibilities: 1. Toss it in the back and let it bounce around. > 2. Bracket it to the front bumper. 3. Vertiacally hanging in the rear 4. > Bracket it in the bed of the truck. Horizontally on the bulkhead behind the seats. Do you have a couple of threaded holes behind each seat? Mine does, not sure if it's part of the shoulder seat belt or what. Anyway, threaded rod gets screwed into these holes. Place about a nut and washer about an inch and 1/2 sover this. Acts as a spacer. Then the Jack. Then one large fender washer, then wingnut. A small bungie cord wraped around the body and handle cures the rattles. Or you could drill a couple of holes through the bulkhead and push the bolts from front to rear into the load bed. Secure with a nut. and then follow above procedure. > Does someone make a cover for the jack when it is mounted on brackets?? The > bag that I've seen doesn't seem to have pockets for the clamps to fit > through If doing the two bolts method, cut a couple of holes in the cover in the appropriate spots. Place the jack in the bag, and then onto the bolt holes. Take a look at my roll cage and let me know if you want one. If so I could add a mount point to the cage possibly. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:50:05 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: roolcage and bullbars Been doing some web work. Have the bullbars up and the beginning of the construction of the rollcage. Hoping to be able to finish the rollcage this week. Need to weld on a few more mounting tabs and paint it. Then finish up the rear tire/fuel can carrier and get started on the roof rack :-) Down to 5 months until the pack out....need to get welding :-) Pete http://www.aloharovers.com/rollcage.htm http://www.aloharovers.com/brush_bar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:53:32 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: Hi-lift > Yes. Me. Until I built a toolbox in the back of Mr. Sinclair, I'd put the > spare there when off-roading, since I didn't need the space, and it greatly > improves visability not to have a 31x9.5 tire on the bonnet. > > > David I keep my spare in the back all the time. Ever tried lifting a 33x1250 on custom 35lb rims up onto the hood? Not to mention trying to drive that way. lol Pete ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 07:02:18 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: Re LRO: crap crap crap > Clifford Performance makes a header for the 2.25. It was $200 when I got > one a couple years ago. The outlet size on it is 2 1/2" OD. > Not familiar with them..web site, contact info? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 19:58:37 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Hi-lift Most of us do not drive around on donuts. Surprized you haven't been hijacked by a couple of hungry members of HPD on your way to work. With those bullet proof (literally) fat wheels and the tires you probably couldn't see anything but clouds over the hood. That's why you find a skinny tire for the spare with roughly the same diameter as the real tires on your truck. Much easier to see over a skinny 7.50/16 road tire than a 235/85/16 MT. Might even track down a 5" 88 16" wheel to make the spare even skinnier. Someone was talking about buying old tires, don't. I've got a full set of 7.50/16 Goodyear road ribs that came on my 109. I've had the truck for 10 years, assume the OE Dunlop tractor tires didn't last long so the Goodyears are probably 30 years old. They look real good, no checking, lots of tread left but they are dangerous. Absolutely no traction on a wet road. The rubber must be hard as a rock. Even though my 2.5 cam'd, 8-1 polished head, and weber 2 barrel has transformed the old 2 1/4, it wasn't the power that kept me continuously sideways in the rain. I could break the rear end loose in a gentle turn, at 30 mph, in 4th gear. 1st gear starts were like motivating on ice. Forget stopping. I had the tires on for a couple of weeks in the dry and didn't notice anything except a very stiff ride and the fact they felt a little lumpy. Once it rained, it was white knuckles. Haven't had such poor traction since driving on a frozen lake in my youth. Be careful if someone wants to sell you a set of tires that may have been sitting in a warehouse for a decade or two. Aloha Peter >From: "Hope Peter" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: Re: LRO: Hi-lift >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 06:53:32 -1000 > > > Yes. Me. Until I built a toolbox in the back of Mr. Sinclair, I'd put >the > > spare there when off-roading, since I didn't need the space, and it >greatly > > improves visability not to have a 31x9.5 tire on the bonnet. > > > > > > David > > >I keep my spare in the back all the time. Ever tried lifting a 33x1250 on >custom 35lb rims up onto the hood? >Not to mention trying to drive that way. lol >Pete > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:14:22 +0100 From: "John Bridgett" Subject: LRO: RE: Battery question >>(I knew that; it does warn "Made in England")<< Obviously the lead and acid technology is far too complex for your under developed countries to understand #8o) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On Behalf Of David Scheidt Sent: 09 April 2001 04:04 To: land-rover-owner Subject: LRO: Battery question I've got this battery that doesn't hold a charge. Sort of. What it does is not produce starting current, but only if it's been sitting. It's got 13 something volts, hit the starter and the starter doesn't spin. I'm not sufficently super human to be able to report what the voltage is when the starter isn't. If I start it with the handy-dandy hand crank, it will then start with the starter. This is true even if the engine hasn't run enough to possibly recharge the battery. If it sits for an hour or three, it'll still start. Overnight, it won't. I'm quite certain I'm not draining the battery -- it happens even if the battery is disconnected. Clearly, the battery is junk. (I knew that; it does warn "Made in England") Is there anything worth trying to fix it? - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 00:12:03 -0600 From: "William J. Rice" Subject: Re: LRO: 5 door soft top > Who did this? I believe it was someone in GA. It was. But that someone now is in CO. And that someone is me, tho' I don't think I'm the first. Please give the inquirer my address and tell him to inquire away. bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:59:42 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Battery question Have you checked the battery with a gravity tester, the turkey baster thingy?? What you describe is typical of a battery with one bad cell. If its 13 volts at rest, I'd want to be sure that a bad connection isn't the problem, however. Aloha Peter >From: "John Bridgett" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: LRO: RE: Battery question >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:14:22 +0100 > > >>(I knew that; it does warn "Made in England")<< > >Obviously the lead and acid technology is far too complex for your >under developed countries to understand #8o) > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-lro@Works.Team.Net [mailto:owner-lro@Works.Team.Net]On >Behalf Of David Scheidt >Sent: 09 April 2001 04:04 >To: land-rover-owner >Subject: LRO: Battery question > > >I've got this battery that doesn't hold a charge. Sort of. What it >does is not produce starting current, but only if it's been sitting. >It's got 13 something volts, hit the starter and the starter doesn't >spin. I'm not sufficently super human to be able to report what the >voltage is when the starter isn't. If I start it with the handy-dandy >hand crank, it will then start with the starter. This is true even if >the engine hasn't run enough to possibly recharge the battery. If it >sits for an hour or three, it'll still start. Overnight, it won't. I'm >quite certain I'm not draining the battery -- it happens even if the >battery is disconnected. Clearly, the battery is junk. (I knew that; >it does warn "Made in England") Is there anything worth trying to fix >it? > >-- >dscheidt@tumbolia.com >Bipedalism is only a fad. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 05:07:52 -0600 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: Re LRO: crap crap crap http://www.cliffordperformance.com/ Hope Peter wrote: > > > Clifford Performance makes a header for the 2.25. It was $200 when I got > > one a couple years ago. The outlet size on it is 2 1/2" OD. > > > Not familiar with them..web site, contact info? - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:32:01 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) Re: Distributors: As TeriAnn said you can get the mrebushed, but the shaft wear is likely to be a problem also. Rebuilt MG Midget distributors (basically same as an LR) are available from AutoZone for $60..... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:35:31 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: I drove a series II -ly y'rs, Ivan;-) Bravo! Careful there Luke, the Dark Side is closer than you think.....8*) ajr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 08:44:26 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Battery question If you connect the voltmeter to the acessory plug on the dash you should get a system voltage when cranking. If this drops much below 10V your battery is gone. It sounds more like a connection or solenoid problem than battery. John and Muddy David Scheidt wrote: > > I've got this battery that doesn't hold a charge. Sort of. What it > does is not produce starting current, but only if it's been sitting. > It's got 13 something volts, hit the starter and the starter doesn't > spin. I'm not sufficently super human to be able to report what the > voltage is when the starter isn't. If I start it with the handy-dandy > hand crank, it will then start with the starter. This is true even if > the engine hasn't run enough to possibly recharge the battery. If it > sits for an hour or three, it'll still start. Overnight, it won't. I'm > quite certain I'm not draining the battery -- it happens even if the > battery is disconnected. Clearly, the battery is junk. (I knew that; > it does warn "Made in England") Is there anything worth trying to fix > it? > > -- > dscheidt@tumbolia.com > Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:39:36 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Battery question Is there anything worth trying to fix it? Nope, plates are sulphated. I ruined an alternator trying to keep a battery like that in service. Get rid of the damn thing before it eats your charging system. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:30:17 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Frank Elson, The Quest for Tunesmiths look at http://www.phelge.com/ Appears the real name was James, Nanker was obviously a corruption of another word. Perhaps he had a lisp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:56:15 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: 30 years into the future The Royal Navy consists of assorted ships and shore units but is one navy, The Royal Air Force consists of assorted squadrons performing various flying roles. The "ARMY" is actually an all encompassing term for several military units which individually are "Royal" eg Royal Electrical and Mechamical Engineers, Royal Scots Guards, Royal Marines, etc > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul [SMTP:l.andie@btinternet.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2001 12:06 PM > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > Subject: Re: LRO: 30 years into the future > > In article <200104071439.f37EduE11732@works.team.net>, Brian Willoughby > wrote: > > the Royal Army > > > Just "The Army". We have a Royal Navy, a Royal Air Force, Her Majesty`s > Coastguard & Her Majesty`s Customs & Excise. > > But the Army is just that. The Army. > > Dunno why though... > > > Paul > > > ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #321 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Mon Apr 9 16:20:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f39KKbN05529 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:20:37 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f39JGN312040 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f39JGM812037 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27409 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:16:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f39ISdK04362 for lro-digest-gone; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:28:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:28:39 -0400 Message-Id: <200104091828.f39ISdK04362@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #322 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Monday, April 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 322 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:47:21 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Quest for Verisimilitude Alan, you didn't see Frank dancing on the table at the ARC National a couple of years ago. That image will stay with me for a while 8). - --- Andy Smith In your nightmares, no doubt......8*) aj"And he woke up screaming "Frank, off the flipping table!"..."r ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:56:39 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Quest for Verisimilitude Frank intones: Can I make it clear here that I in no way condone drinking and driving, I would never do it. Not to worry - we never thought you did. It's just one of those mental movie projector images that seems so striking... COmpletely agreed - driving and drinking is stupid in a big way. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:00:40 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: LR dating >How would you date it? Offer to buy it dinner? ajr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:02:30 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Vehicle identification needed >Judging from the fact some of the lenses don't even exist I wouldn't >want to use lenses as an age marker. >John and Muddy Agreed - the beast has seen a few miles. From the look of 'em, though, faded as they are I wouldn't think them unoriginal to the truck... Still thinking early IIa.... aj"Wonder if it still exists?"r ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:34:43 -0400 From: "A. P. \"Sandy\" Grice" Subject: LRO: Battery woes David Scheidt wrote: >I've got this battery that doesn't hold a charge. Sort of. What it >does is not produce starting current, but only if it's been sitting. >It's got 13 something volts, hit the starter and the starter doesn't >spin. There is a JC Whitless product that actually works...I've used it and it isn't "snake oil." It's a cadmium solution (real poisonous stuff, BTW....) called VX-6 or somesuch. Had the same symptoms...'dead' battery, hand crank to get going. But before I did, I added the VX-6 to all the cells. 3-4 miles later and 100 yards from work, I run out of gas - at a stop light in the middle of an intersection. The battery had developed enough ummmph in those five minutes to crawl through the intersection on just the starter motor. See ya'll in a few days...have to fly off to San Fran for a funeral.... Cheers *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* | | | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | | www.roav.org | | (original owner) (pre-production) | *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 01 07:55:49 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: Re LRO: crap crap crap >BTW, ACR is also developing a turbocharger for the 2.25. A note here. Rover went from a three main bearing engine to a five main bearing engine BEFORE they added a turbo. It is my understanding that the 3 main will not hold up long term with the turbo. Save that mod for the five main 2.25 and 2.5 engines. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:04:03 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) Thanks Teriann... I'll give BP a ring. - -todd >From: TeriAnn Wakeman >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: "LRO list" >Subject: Re: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) >Date: Sun, 8 Apr 01 16:34:17 -0700 > > >Terriann's post got me thinking about my wobbly distrubuter shaft. It >isn't > >too bad yet, but I'd like to get it fixed sometime in, say, the next 10 >to > >15 years. Does anyone know of an outfit that cures shaft wobble? Um, I > >mean, re-bushes dist. shafts? > >Most any automotive electric shop can rebush distributors. On ther other >hand BP has been selling brand new Lucas distributors for around $100 (I >bought one about 3 years ago so the pirce may have changed). It might >actually come out cheaper to purchase a new distributor than to pay >someone to go through your old one plus the parts. > >If your distributor shaft wobbles you are not getting rated performance >out of your engine. > >TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. >Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing >webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics > and more > >http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:06:38 +0100 From: Paul Subject: Re: LRO: Battery question In article , David Scheidt wrote: > Clearly, the battery is junk. (I knew that; > it does warn "Made in England") Is there anything worth trying to fix > it? > If you fit a battery that is not Made in England you will be the proud owner of a Notta-Land-Rover. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:06:37 +0100 From: Paul Subject: Re: LRO: I drove a series II In article <3AD111C5.CF610E2A@pauahtun.org>, Ivan Van Laningham wrote: > I was scared to ask her how much she wanted for it. Good thing, too. I > got home and said to my wife, "I spotted a Land Rover for sale. ..." > and she interrupted me to say, "I hope you didn't buy it!" > > > Go on, you know you want to! And you can rent it out to the studios when they pick up the movie rights to your book.... Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 16:12:24 +0100 From: Paul Subject: Re: LRO: 30 years into the future In article , Easton Trevor A wrote: > he "ARMY" is actually an all encompassing term for several military > units which individually are "Royal" > eg Royal Electrical and Mechamical Engineers, Royal Scots Guards, Royal > Marines, etc > Very true, all except for the last one. The Royal Marines are part of the Royal Navy. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:13:36 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) >Might be a good time to go to a Crane or the like electronic points >replacement. the Cranes optical shutter doesn't mind a bit of shaft >wobble. >Jim Yeah, I've heard the same thing about the pertronix from Bill at GBR. What are the pros/cons between optical and magnetic ignition systems? Any serious concerns w/ field repair, longevity, or conversion back to points? regards, - -todd BTW-I'm not concerned about my land rover's identity as it is no longer a "land rover". It already sports an MG starter and parabolics. oh, and a new frame. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:24:03 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: LRO: MG distributor swap (was Dizzy repair) w/ the MG dist. is there a way to swap/modify the bits that control the timing advance curve? Wait, let me rephrase that... has anyone done, or seen it done and how? regards, - -todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:29:08 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: TARC Mad May Muddiness Club news editors, and others see http://www.hwcn.org/~ag278/mmm2001.jpg for a poster on the Toronto Area Rover Club, Mad May Muddiness. May27th 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:28:53 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: Re: LRO: I drove a series II >Go on, you know you want to! And you can rent it out to the studios when >they pick up the movie rights to your book.... If Ivan buys a Series, he'll never get the book written :) Keith Tanner and Basil, mobile at last. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 01 08:32:29 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) >Might be a good time to go to a Crane or the like electronic points >replacement. the Cranes optical shutter doesn't mind a bit of shaft wobble. The Pertronics is a hall effect element breakerless system. Like the crane, set it properly once and forget it as the timing will remain as spot on as the distributor allows it to. The advantage of a Pertronix unit is that it fits completely inside the distributor cap with no outside module. An engine relys upon a tight timing chain and a distributor that delivers a spark at just the right time for maximum performance and fuel efficency. Many people don't seem to mind driving with worn out parts. My personal preference is to have everything in very good to excellent condition. I feel it increses the vehicle's efficency and reliability. Those two aspects are important to me as a woman traveling long distances alone. Everyone maintains their Land Rover or Land Rover like vehicle (Didn't want to resume that discussion here) to the level they personally feel comfortable with. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 15:25:04 +0100 From: "Chico Salgueiro" Subject: LRO: NAS D90 replica This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0C040.161E5360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am about to buy a D 90 Td5, however i love the look of the NAS. How can turn my D90 Td5 into a NAS replica.(Roll cage;forward facing = seat, sliding front seats;etc..) 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Two questions mate: 1) how many times does SWMBO think you've seen the truck or driven by? 2) how many times have you REALLY driven by (just to see if it's still there? That summer vacation can be put off just one more year ("...honey, we really need to get that tranny rebuilt...") BTW, have you asked Rovers North to send out a catalog yet? If not, they are probably "safer" to call than the seller. Here, let me help: 1-802-879-0032. What are you waiting for? DO IT MAN! Cheers, Rich 1960 Series II 109 Station Wagon LEGAL FINE PRINT: (Simon, you may want to chime in here) The author of this email cannot be held liable or responsible for any action(s) taken by Ivan nor is the author of this email liable or responsible for the results or consequences of said action(s) as related to the acquisition of any Land Rover Series vehicle. > Hi All-- > I was driving to the grocery store and spotted a 1961 Series II for > sale. I took notes; 70K original miles, series III Weber carb, lots of > other little improvements I didn't understand. I peered into it and > looked it over very thoroughly and wrote down the telephone numbers, > meaning to call later. > > I drove back from the grocery the same way, and I spotted a new green > Disco pulling into the driveway of the home in front of which the Series > II was parked. A young woman got out; I rolled down my window and asked > if she were the one selling the Landy. She nodded, so I stopped and > explained that I wasn't interested in buying. I would, however, like to > sit in it and smell it and stuff like that; it was research for a story. > > "Want a ride?" she asked, jingling her keys and grinning. > > Oh, indeed, I did. She tooke me around several blocks and then made me > drive the last half-block back to her house. I actually managed it > without ruining any gears; not bad for someone who hasn't driven a stick > for over twenty years. > > No one told me there was no insulation on the doors and that you could > see all the parts for the latches. When people said Series vehicles > don't have very good heaters, I didn't realize that meant that there was > a small black box next to the steering wheel that was supposed to heat > up the entire interior, and that if you weren't careful you could bang > something on it. Shifting and using the clutch, though, those were as > described. Now I know what the yellow and red knobs do. > > But most of all I got to smell it. It smelled like the jeep I drove in > the Army thirty-one years ago. > > I was scared to ask her how much she wanted for it. Good thing, too. I > got home and said to my wife, "I spotted a Land Rover for sale. ..." > and she interrupted me to say, "I hope you didn't buy it!" > > > > -ly y'rs, > Ivan;-) > ---------------------------------------------- > Ivan Van Laningham > Symantec > http://www.pauahtun.org/ > http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html > Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70 > Author: Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:47:28 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) Re: Pertronix vs. Crane: Personally, I like the Ignitor 10X more than the Crane I had. I had a lot of difficulty with the Crane's "One size fits all" internal distributor mounts, and mounting the extra box was a PITA and ugly. Also, I'm not convinced that the grubby interior of a Lucas distributor is a good spot for optical bits...but that is more of an opinion than gospel. The Ignitor is a bolt in with no extrnal gubbins at all - just 2 wires to hook it up and then retime the engine. Magnets don't care if they get oily. Also, the best price I've ever seen for Crane's offering is still 20-30 bucks more than the Ignitor. Cheaper, easier...works for me...8*) ajr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:01:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Ray Harder Subject: LRO: series landrovers and airstream trailers... i was kinda busy when the airstream thread went by 4-6 weeks ago and didn't pay attention. can someone get to me back-channel and discuss pulling an airstream with a 2.25l series landie... Sincerely, Ray Harder ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:14:13 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: Shipfitters... Well, In preparation for my impending transmission build and engine swap, I had pulled all the wings/breakfast etc. off the 109. It turns out that it was a good thing that the transmission went south; if it had lasted a few more years, there would have been some serious rustermite to deal with on the bulkhead. As it is, it appears to be surficial damaga only so far, along the lower outsides of each footwell, and around the struts that com up from the frame to attach to the fronts of the 'wells. So, last night, I go out with a wire brush and a putty knife to do some exploratory probing. And... no perforations or such, but the problem extends to areas I cannot really access without pulling the bulkhead. So, time to start labelling wires and drawing diagrams and suchnot... (sigh). And, of course, while I am there, I am thinking, I might as well do a proper job, sandblast the thing and start from scratch again. Which brings up the question of what to do with the seams in between the stitch welds (and that annoying overlap on the door pillar sides just below the windscreen). 1) weld all those little buggers up nice and tight inside and out 2) get a good seam sealer and apply before repainting And on a separate note. Last night I was telling my wife about the fundamentalist land rover jihad. AFter she stopped choking on her tea from laughter (and her comment on what absolute loosers we must be...), her question was, if a person gets a mechanical heart, are they still human? How about a replacement heart from another person? How about a baboon heart? What makes a person a person? Yours in landroverishness Clinton "and I put about 15K miles a year on my truck" Coates 109" Bastardized II/IIA/Fiero/Delco/Mercedesinwaiting/hybrid and proud of it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:22:58 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Rover Sighting Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 13:31:17 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: ROVER SIGHTING >Parked in an office parking lot (around 11:30am) in Bellevue, Washington = USA was a white Series IIa 109 Station Wagon. I have seen an all-Limestone 109 SIIa in the Issaquah area from time to time in the evening on my commute home. It appears to be driving to or from the Sammamish plateau. May or may not be the same vehicle, as I've never examined it closely. >Oh, it also had a rear window wiper unit. Was that a factory option? I don't know if the factory ever installed a rear window wiper themselves. However, through the 1970s, you could buy a rear window wiper/washer kit from the LR parts houses. It consisted of a wiper motor, arm, blade and washer nozzle which you installed on the door, and a washer reservoir and pump motor identical to the one that came in my SIII for the windscreen washer. The reservoir and pump were meant to be mounted on the inside of the rear door by the motor, although I imagine you could put it anywhere you liked back there. The kit also came with a switch for the dash that was the same as the SIII's rotary/push switch for the windscreen wiper/washer. The fact that the reservoir, pump, and switch were identical to the ones fitted in the engine bay at the factory leads me to believe this was at least a factory "approved" option that dealers or owners could install. I meant to buy one, but kept putting it off until one day they were no longer available. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:23:24 -0700 From: Wise Owl Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #318 At 10:50 PM 06/04/01, you wrote: >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:25:22 -0400 >From: William L Leacock >Subject: LRO: Webber Carb question. > >I have just recieved a Webber Carb, model 341CEV which is significantly >different to the Webber carb I purchased 8 or 9 years ago. It came with >no instructions. >Thge throttle butterfly is mounted in a separate casting which is fixed >to the base of the carb by a couple of screws. >In this separate base is the obviuos connection for the distibutor vacuum >supply. There are two additional - approx. 1/4" dia - pipes fitted to the >base casting. Anyone any idea what these are used for? If I blow into >one, the air exits the other one, if I block one off with a finger and >suck on the other I can feel the suction at my finger. It appears to me >that these pipes are of no use. Seems odd to fit a couple of pipes that >serve no function, unless the base is used on another carb variant that >has some use for them. > >Regards from Western New York State > > Bill Leacock. > >21 years old ( for the 34th time!) Those pipes are for coolant. These are a more modern carb that Bearmach has been selling for a year or two. 73, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:26:05 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 18:14:22 -0400 From: "Jean-Leon Morin" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard >I am now wondering if this whole debate thing was simply a contest, to see who would come out winning. No, it was just something to do during lunch. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:30:11 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: Re: LRO: series landrovers and airstream trailers... Yeah, first you swap in a large displacement american V8... ;^} - -todd >From: Ray Harder >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: lro@Works.Team.Net >Subject: LRO: series landrovers and airstream trailers... >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:01:44 -0500 (CDT) > > >i was kinda busy when the airstream thread >went by 4-6 weeks ago and didn't pay >attention. can someone get >to me back-channel and discuss pulling an >airstream with a 2.25l series landie... > > >Sincerely, > >Ray Harder > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:37:42 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: LRO: Give Me a Brake!! We all know that Land Rover parts are cheaper in England, but I had a beauty yesterday. Certain suppliers here in the USA want $239 for a CB type Brake master for a Series IIA. The same item can be bought NEW in England for $32 and shipped for $20 by Fed Ex to get it here in two days. The Clutch slave cylinder is $16. I was thinking of buying overhaul kits for these after Keith Tanner very kindly e-mailed me the diagrams on how to do this, but after seeing the prices, I ordered everything new and will just bolt it on. Am I right in thinking that the CV (single circuit) brake master off a SWB SIIA is the same unit as the clutch master, because the Land Rover website lists the brake master in the clutch section as well as the brake section and the parts look alike and have the same part number. What I got from England in a bag marked "Brake master cylinder SWB" was identical to the item I removed from the Clutch position on the bulkhead. I know that all the pedals are on the wrong side of the car, but they are still in the right order...I think. Kind regards, Mark Pilkington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:40:41 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Shipfitters... her question was, if a person gets a mechanical heart, are they still human? How about a replacement heart from another person? How about a baboon heart? What makes a person a person? The question above all of that, Clinton, Is whether or not they were to begin with..... Parts is parts... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:42:10 EDT From: LillianJB@aol.com Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #321 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:52:44 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:33:10 +0100 From: Andy Smith Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard >Just a thought and if somebody else has said I apologies now. Did Marin hate himself when he was young ?, those years must of been Tortuous for him.................. No, I was too busy riding horses, working on ranches, riding around the California and Colorado mountains in the summer in Jeeps (with Chevy V-8 engines, no less), sailing, deep-sea fishing, learning how to fly, and doing about a zillion other things. I didn't have a television until I was 16, so I actually had to DO interesting stuff to entertain myself. One of the things I love about both television and the internet is that as more and more people remain in their homes experiencing life on a screen, there are less and less people crowding up the real world. So I'm sorry to disappoint, but no, I didn't hate myself when I was young. I had a great time, same as I am now. My lack of interest in today's youth in not due to my own experiences, but to my observations that today's youth for the most part are not worth wasting time on. At least not my time. There are exceptions, but they seem to be few and far between. But my opinions are not the result of having a bad time as a kid. In fact, I feel sorry for most of today's youth because they seem to have no direction and no opportunities to do the kinds of things I was able to do when I was a kid. I make a fair amount of money, have a boat, a plane, and can pretty much travel anywhere in the world whenever I want. I attribute those benefits in large part to the experiences I had as a kid. Hauling logs out of the woods with a Caterpillar tractor when you're 14 teaches you something you don't get in front of a TV screen. You can say that hauling logs out of the woods isn't a skill today's kids are going to need, but I'm not talking about the skill itself, but the values- discipline, responsibility, and self-reliance- you gain from doing things like that. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:19:02 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Battery question Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:04:15 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: LRO: Battery question >I've got this battery that doesn't hold a charge. Sort of. What it does is not produce starting current, but only if it's been sitting. It's got 13 something volts, hit the starter and the starter doesn't spin. Couple of things to check before tossing the battery completely. First, make sure the battery connections are good. A dirty or corroded connection can give enough resistance to keep a starter from working if the battery voltage drops even a little, like over a period of time. Second, make sure the ground connection is good to the frame or wherever it's attached on your vehicle. However, batteries can go bad on their own. They can suddenly reverse polarity or short out. Also, as batteries sit, the acid and water separate somewhat. What you end up with is a battery that's only got perhaps a third of its effective plate depth working for you. (I learned all this because we just had an inverter/charger installed on our trawler and the guy told me more about batteries than I thought there was to know). Anyway, as the batteries sit, you slowly lose the power (cranking power) in the battery. It will indicate 12-14 volts just fine, but there's just no power there to do much work. The solution is called "equalizing" the battery. What you do is deliberately overcharge it for about eight hours. It makes nasty gas and boils water out of the cells, but the important thing is that it re-mixes the acid and water and gets all the accumulated sulfide off the plates so that the entire plate surface is working for you again. The inverter/charger we have on the boat has this "equalizing" function built in. Most smaller automotive chargers do not. By the way, this is not something you do a lot and frequently. Most battery manufacturers recommend doing this every ten to twenty cycles (a cycle is when you run a battery almost completely dead, as you do with the house power batteries on a boat.) So equalizing only needs to be done perhaps two or three times a year. You don't run a car battery dead on a routine basis, so you can't use cycles to judge when to equalize. So maybe once a year would make sense on a car, if it's worth doing at all. If you can find a charger that will overcharge your battery (about 16 volts is what you want to pump in there), you might want to try that. Just remember to do it in a well ventilated area and don't turn on any accessories in the car that might be damaged by 16 volts DC. Probably the best thing is to take the battery out of the vehicle altogether. And make sure it doesn't run low on water during this process. However, it may be less hassle simply to discard the battery and get a new one. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:59:03 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Shipfitters... Hey, my wife has laughed at me from the time I started looking for my Series IIa almost 3 years ago until Friday, April 6th at noon, as we began our assault on the trails at Monteagle, Tennessee, home of Camp Rover USA April 6,7, & 8. On the way back yesterday afternoon she would say things like, "that was so much fun, I bet the kids would love it!" and "when in the SOLAROS annual event...in September?" She's starting to look for reasons to join me on trail rides rather than avoiding them. When the tranny fluid temp light on the dash of my RR Classic came on necessitating a tow yesterday to complete our trip, she sat there quietly. I asked if she was mad or something (which was possible since we were late) and she said "no, no just trying to figure out if the light itself is bad, or water somehow got in the transmission when we were wading through the river yesterday." Clinton, get your wife to accompany you on a trail ride weekend and soon she'll pick a side on the purist / bastard argument. Ron Ward 1965 Land-Rover Series IIa 88" 1995 Range-Rover Classic SWB >>> CCoates@golder.com 04/09/01 12:14PM >>> Well, In preparation for my impending transmission build and engine swap, I had pulled all the wings/breakfast etc. off the 109. It turns out that it was a good thing that the transmission went south; if it had lasted a few more years, there would have been some serious rustermite to deal with on the bulkhead. As it is, it appears to be surficial damaga only so far, along the lower outsides of each footwell, and around the struts that com up from the frame to attach to the fronts of the 'wells. So, last night, I go out with a wire brush and a putty knife to do some exploratory probing. And... no perforations or such, but the problem extends to areas I cannot really access without pulling the bulkhead. So, time to start labelling wires and drawing diagrams and suchnot... (sigh). And, of course, while I am there, I am thinking, I might as well do a proper job, sandblast the thing and start from scratch again. Which brings up the question of what to do with the seams in between the stitch welds (and that annoying overlap on the door pillar sides just below the windscreen). 1) weld all those little buggers up nice and tight inside and out 2) get a good seam sealer and apply before repainting And on a separate note. Last night I was telling my wife about the fundamentalist land rover jihad. AFter she stopped choking on her tea from laughter (and her comment on what absolute loosers we must be...), her question was, if a person gets a mechanical heart, are they still human? How about a replacement heart from another person? How about a baboon heart? What makes a person a person? Yours in landroverishness Clinton "and I put about 15K miles a year on my truck" Coates 109" Bastardized II/IIA/Fiero/Delco/Mercedesinwaiting/hybrid and proud of it ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:00:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: Land Rover Bodied Bastard Marin has no kids. Just a guess. I'm 35. I suppose that makes me a no good, low down no account punk. I had TV when I was little (I actually watched Hogans Heroes, Gilligan's Island and Pthe Dukes of Hazzard AND I did stuff outside. And I have kids, and they have TV and they do stuff outside. And I'm a firm believer that (put on grumpy old man voice here) "the good old days" weren't so great. And my kids think the rover is the greatest. But they like the Suburban better for long trips. I'd say that bodes well as far as their common sense is concerned (they're a little young to judge whether or not they'll conribute to the world going to hell in a handbasket yet, being 3, 5 and 6 and a half). Simon "Sob, Can't we all just gewt along?, sob" Harding ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:13:03 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: 5 door soft top Bill Rice did it on his 109. Just unbolt and lift off the roof. You will still have the top of the "T" piece that runs up between the front and rear doors. He has a hoop set that goes in place of the hard top and it looks pretty good. He will argue otherwise (hates the look) but you could leave your door tops on and then you wouldn't really notice the T pillar piece. Neatest Land-Rover I ever saw was Bill's blasting down the highway with the top off, the hoop set off, no front doors and the windscreen down... >>> elvenwood@whro.net 04/08/01 09:19PM >>> Who did this? I believe it was someone in GA. It could be someone on the Mostly Metro list. There is a guy on the RN BBS that wants info on this mod. AND YES IT WILL STILL BE A LAND-ROVER FER CHRISTS SAKE. Even if they don't use an official genuine govmnt issue canvas top. Jim Wolf "had my 109 since 71" will do what I damn well want to do to it!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 01 11:25:48 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: LR dating I have been ignoring this thread but I've seen the subject line one too many times. Each time I see the subject line I keep thinking something like: 1960 109 seeks 88 between the ages of 1958 and 1964 with straight body and complete interior. Like to spend quiet days traveling the road less traveled? Enjoy nights circled around a camp fire? Maybe we could get together for some light trailing. Sorry no diesel smokers. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:28:24 -0400 From: Peter Monk Subject: RE: LRO: 30 years into the future - --------------DDF4BBD83175767FD7FBE67D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure this will be one of many comments without much Land Rover content.... Trevor Easton said: > The "ARMY" is actually an all encompassing term for several military units which individually are "Royal" > eg Royal Electrical and Mechamical Engineers, Royal Scots Guards, Royal Marines, etc Not the Royal Marines. They are Royal Navy (see Hornblower, more recently the Falklands conflict or for the official word http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk ). They all use Land Rovers however. Peter - -- Address: Department of Mathematical Sciences | Phone: 302-831-1873 University of Delaware | FAX : 302-831-4511 Newark, DE 19716 USA WWW : http://www.math.udel.edu/~monk - --------------DDF4BBD83175767FD7FBE67D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure this will be one of many comments without much Land Rover content....

Trevor Easton said:
> The "ARMY" is actually an all encompassing term for several military units which individually are "Royal"
>  eg Royal Electrical and Mechamical Engineers, Royal Scots Guards, Royal Marines, etc

Not the Royal Marines.  They are Royal Navy (see Hornblower, more recently the Falklands conflict or for the official word http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk ).  They all use Land Rovers however.

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  - --------------DDF4BBD83175767FD7FBE67D-- ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #322 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Mon Apr 9 21:31:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3A1ViN06572 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:31:44 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3A0RUK26579 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:27:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3A0RT826576 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07661 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f39NlNV08944 for lro-digest-gone; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:47:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:47:23 -0400 Message-Id: <200104092347.f39NlNV08944@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #323 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Monday, April 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 323 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:47:40 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: NAS D90 replica Once you get your truck, send it to me and I will modify it. once I'm satisfied that it is done, I'll send it back ;-) Seriously though, I think a lot of the accessories can be added. Check out the East Coast Rovers website (www.eastcoastrover.com) for some ideas. Good luck. I'm jealous ;-) Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:45:44 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: LRO: Series Fuel tanks Can anyone suggest a way to clean out and seal a series land rover's fuel tanks if they do not leak, but have a lot of loose scale and debris inside. Is there a cunning sealant you can slosh around in there and tip out leaving a perfectly clean and rust protected tank? Thanks, Kind regards, Mark Pilkington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:53:04 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Give Me a Brake!! Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:37:42 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: LRO: Give Me a Brake!! >We all know that Land Rover parts are cheaper in England, but I had a beauty yesterday. Certain suppliers here in the USA want $239 for a CB type Brake master for a Series IIA. The same item can be bought NEW in England for $32 and shipped for $20 by Fed Ex to get it here in two days. Which company in the UK did you buy it from? ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:59:43 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: When is a person a person? (was shipfitters) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:40:41 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Shipfitters... >her question was, if a person gets a mechanical heart, are they still human? How about a replacement heart from another person? How about a baboon heart? If a person gets a replacement heart from another person, they are still a person. If they get a mechanical heart or a conversion to a baboon heart, they are no longer a person, but a hybrid based on a person. As such, their value to people-collectors will be very low, and they probably won't even be allowed to enter concours events for people. Someone looking to buy a person won't even consider them as an example of the type. So while a person with a mechanical or non-human heart may suit the purposes of its owner just fine, and may even have better performance and reliability than a factory- original person, the fact remains that it is still a hybrid based on a person, not a real person. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:05:29 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:00:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: Land Rover Bodied Bastard >Marin has no kids. Just a guess. We have little enough time on this planet as it is. Why waste any of it on kids. I have a dog. Cheaper, more fun, never turn into druggies or glue sniffers, and are always dependable..... :-) ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:03:51 -0400 From: Matt Peckham Subject: LRO: RE: Series Fuel tanks not sure about the cleaner, but I hear this stuff works great at sealing and prolonging the tank. http://www.por15.com/tankseal_fuelpreserve.html Been happy with their other products, maybe there's someone who's actually used it on the list. Matt - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pilkington [mailto:mark@skywagons.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:46 PM To: lro@Works.Team.Net Subject: LRO: Series Fuel tanks Can anyone suggest a way to clean out and seal a series land rover's fuel tanks if they do not leak, but have a lot of loose scale and debris inside. Is there a cunning sealant you can slosh around in there and tip out leaving a perfectly clean and rust protected tank? Thanks, Kind regards, Mark Pilkington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:07:06 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: LR dating TeriAnn wrote > Each time I see the subject line I keep thinking something like: > > It leaves me wondering too, what sort of car would date a Land Rover. Pink Cadillac, retired Hollywood starlet seeks adventure on the wild side. Mature British charmer preferred. Jumped up oriental wannabes need not apply ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:11:43 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Series Fuel tanks POR15 make a tank sealant with which I have had good success. To clean the tank before starting suspend it from some bungie cords, put a couple of handfuls of coarse gravel inside and bounce it around vigorously. Empty crud and gravel, repeat a few times then treat with POR15 etchant, neutralizer and finish. I would also recommend separating the skid plate to clean between it and the tank. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Pilkington [SMTP:mark@skywagons.com] > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 2:46 PM > To: lro@Works.Team.Net > Subject: LRO: Series Fuel tanks > > Can anyone suggest a way to clean out and seal a series land rover's fuel > tanks if they do not leak, but have a lot of loose scale and debris > inside. Is there a cunning sealant you can slosh around in there and tip > out leaving a perfectly clean and rust protected tank? > Thanks, > Kind regards, > Mark Pilkington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:14:57 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: crap crap crap Ahhwell, guess its time for a pierce and a 32/36dvg or the ACR intake with the SU setup. They recomend it with their head and cam, so might as well order everything from one place. Pretty strange to see a side draft in a series though. Pete >Pete, Take a look at this...if you want to see te SU ona LR, in situ... http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=195874&a=12520726 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:18:04 +0100 From: "Neil Brownlee" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard Can we please STOP THIS THREAD. Someone is going to get offended. Marin's comment about children offended me...A LOT. Even if people are jesting, it's just not right, this is not what Land Rover ownership is about. Please, can we just cease this thread? - ------------------------------------------------------------- Neil - who has 2 children he loves dearly. 1978 Land Rover Series III 109" Ex-MOD - 'Harriet' 1997 Land Rover Discovery V8i ES - 'Piglet' - XD9000i, Terrain Master Winch Bumper & Hi-Lift carrier, Bearmach steering/sump guard, Mantec Side Protection Sills, Scorpion Racing +2" suspension lift, De-Carbon Shocks, Southdown Fuel Tank Guard, 225/75 Trac Edge Tyres, WH Wheelcarriers Diff Guards 1998 Land Rover Freelander - 'Misty' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:19:32 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Give Me a Brake!! Just a note of warning. The really cheap parts from the UK are typically not genuine Land Rover parts. Quite often not a big deal but can be. Cheap hydraulic cylinders function the same as OEM but will have some differences and may not be rebuildable or capable of being taken apart without destroying some crimped, or stamped in place piece. Peter Hope got a brand new 1st gear that split in two after very short time in service, as an example. Price was right on the part but was it after he had to tear down the gearbox a second time. The prices may be so good that rebuildability is not an issue but if they fail prematurely causing ancillary catastrophic damage, what then. Typically, cost of shipping back and forth, if you have a defect may be more than the part is worth. For me, any job I have to do twice because of a faulty part is too steep a price to pay. A deal ends up not being such a deal. This is not a genuine at all costs rant or support your local supplier plaint but just a note of caution. Find out exactly what your getting as it may not be what you think it is. You can specify OEM from overseas, by the way, and save some money. It may not be just as much. Aloha Peter >From: "Faure, Marin" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" >CC: "'mark@skywagons.com'" >Subject: LRO: Re: Give Me a Brake!! >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:53:04 -0700 > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:37:42 -0700 >From: Mark Pilkington >Subject: LRO: Give Me a Brake!! > > >We all know that Land Rover parts are cheaper in England, but I had a >beauty >yesterday. Certain suppliers here in the USA want $239 for a CB type Brake >master for a Series IIA. The same item can be bought NEW in England for $32 >and >shipped for $20 by Fed Ex to get it here in two days. > >Which company in the UK did you buy it from? >___________________________ >C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:21:49 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Give Me a Brake!! Just a note of warning. The really cheap parts from the UK are typically not genuine Land Rover parts. Quite often not a big deal but can be. After market hydraulic cylinders function the same as OEM but will have some differences and may not be rebuildable or capable of being taken apart without destroying some crimped, or stamped in place piece. Peter Hope got a brand new 1st gear that split in two after very short time in service. Price was right on the part but was it really after he had to tear down the gearbox a second time. The prices may be so good that rebuildability is not an issue but if they fail prematurely causing ancillary catastrophic damage, what then. Typically, cost of shipping back and forth, if you have a defect may be more than the part is worth. For me, any job I have to do twice, because of a faulty part, is too steep a price to pay. A deal ends up not being such a deal. This is not a genuine at all costs rant or support your local supplier 'plaint but just a note of caution. Find out exactly what your getting as it may not be what you think it is. You can specify OEM from overseas, by the way, and save some money. It may not be just as much money. Aloha Peter >From: "Faure, Marin" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" >CC: "'mark@skywagons.com'" >Subject: LRO: Re: Give Me a Brake!! >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:53:04 -0700 > >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:37:42 -0700 >From: Mark Pilkington >Subject: LRO: Give Me a Brake!! > > >We all know that Land Rover parts are cheaper in England, but I had a >beauty >yesterday. Certain suppliers here in the USA want $239 for a CB type Brake >master for a Series IIA. The same item can be bought NEW in England for $32 >and >shipped for $20 by Fed Ex to get it here in two days. > >Which company in the UK did you buy it from? >___________________________ >C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:27:39 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard Speak for your own dog. Ours would sniff anything which was little embarrassing because she always went for the crotch. She was a Labrador Retriever and was always into something including bringing home drug paraphenalia. Usually just a smelly rotten bird carcass but did bring home a McDonalds dinner for two once. Dog had a wonderfully soft mouth, didn't even put a hole in the bag the food was in and it was still hot. Had to send her back for Ketchup, though. Aloha Peter >From: "Faure, Marin" >We have little enough time on this planet >as it is. Why waste any of it on kids. I have >a dog. Cheaper, more fun, never turn into >druggies or glue sniffers, and are always >dependable..... :-) >___________________________ >C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:33:10 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Series Fuel tanks Another product is called Cream (sp) available at motorcycle shops. JC Whitney also has a similar product. Typically comes in a kit with cleaner and the sealer. Will seal up pin hole leaks on a more or less permanent basis. Suspect the sealer is an expoxy coating. Someone also mentioned hanging the tank from the rafters with equal length bungy cords. Dump in a bunch of scrap nuts and bolts and then bounce the tank around till its all cleaned out. Kind of a do it yourself 'wheelabrator'. Aloha Peter >From: Matt Peckham >http://www.por15.com/tankseal_fuelpreserve.html >Matt >From: Mark Pilkington [mailto:mark@skywagons.com] >Can anyone suggest a way to clean out and seal a series land rover's fuel >tanks if they do not leak, but have a lot of loose scale and debris inside. >Is there a cunning sealant you can slosh around in there and tip out >leaving >a perfectly clean and rust protected tank? >Thanks, >Kind regards, >Mark Pilkington _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:31:02 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: Re: LRO: Re: When is a person a person? (was shipfitters) >. If they get a mechanical heart or a conversion to a >baboon heart, they are no longer a person, but a hybrid based on a >person. As such, their value to people-collectors will be very low, >and they probably won't even be allowed to enter concours events >for people. Unless the hybrid was assembled by the original manufacturer as a prototype for future models? Keith Tanner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:39:22 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: RE: LRO: 30 years into the future Yeah, I knew that, just wasn't thinking as I hastily typed the note. Must be too long since I've been in Blighty. > Not the Royal Marines. They are Royal Navy (see Hornblower, more recently > the Falklands conflict or for the official word > ). They all use Land Rovers however. > > Peter > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:34:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: RE: Land Rover Bodied Bastard: WAAAY OT Hey I resemble that remark! I was a glue sniffer - but only as a result of building plastic and later balsa models (the tissue paper dope is WAY better than the glue). sniffing glue is nothing. Try the smoke from burning/exploding them while simulating the Battle of Britain. Kids tend to shed less than dogs, depending on the dog, and the kid. Marin, as Lou Reed once sang, think of it as raising your own pallbearers. As I once described my mother's situation (seven kids) it can also be described as a third world retirement plan: a bit less than two months of the year with each kid, and she won't need to go in a home. Of course that assumes you raise them well enough to trust they will do unto you in old age as you did unto them. And for Rover content (I feel a certain sense of hypocrisy coming on in light of my OT comments ofa few days ago): I have a photo of my mother and her sister standing in front of the family's 88 (SII??) somewhere in Europe, in the fifties. They used to keep a jug of sangria and the dishes inside the bonnet mounted spare. Her father's never attained dream, was to have a Dormobile. I've talked to her about getting a dormie and dropping a chevy drivetrain in it for her, as she has misgivings about power and reliability (Her being English, I am mortified she could feel this way! Mortified I say!) She dated a wheat farmer who once had his Jag towed a hundred plus miles to Portland for repair, and after that converted it, and she doesnt like the idea of doing the cascades (or remote Nevada) with a Rover powerplant. And none of her kids are glue sniffers. Dad left when I was 10 (don't get me started on the single mom thing causing kids to be screwed up. Its crapola). Oldest kid was 16. He's succesfully retired from his own business, at age 41 or so, now works for the railroad for fun. grad degree in Russian and music. Next is sister, PhD immunology, Genencor research scientist, brother, graduate degree computer science, Tacoma Pierce health dept, Sister, PhD Geophysics, doing something I don't really understand at MIT for two years, budding Perfessor type, then me (the black sheep) lawyer, then brother, engineering degree, high level yes-man for Autodesk software, then youngest son, soon to be a cop, ex truck driver/Les Schwab guy. What's my point? We all watched TV, and were given free rein (mom worked graveyard, my brother worked for a beer distributor when we were in high school - need I say more?), my mom made us what we are through example, the power of guilt and an insistence on educashun. I am a world class cynic, and not much of an optimist when it comes to the future, but I am making my own efforts at improving it by raising my kids to be good productive citizens, and by trying to make it better my own way. I have a sister who has no kids. I wish she had, because she would have raised kids who would have made the world better. A license ought to be required to have kids, IMHO. Too many bad child raisers out there. (He said keeping his fingers crossed for the next 20-50 years) So its all very well to say the world is going to hell in a handbasket and kids these days are the worst, etc, but it is more credible of the person saying it is also trying to do something about it. And I am sure you are. But when it comes to bad kids? Blame the parents and the kids themselves, once they reach a certain (I think fairly young) age. Not society, not the schools. Not the Gov'mint. But all that said about making the future rosier, I did buy a gas powered weed whacker yesterday.... Simon "I blame society. Society made me what I am"" Harding ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:43:21 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: SOs and Land Rovers Hi Ron, >Clinton, get your wife to accompany you on a trail ride weekend and >soon she'll pick a side on the purist / bastard argument. Sorry, I already know where she stands on that. We have had the 109 since 1994 and it was our daily drive and work vehicle for several years in northern BC. After several generator and VR "episodes" (including a memorable trip from Smithers to Kamloops in -20 C with no heater to keep the battery from loosing its charge...) I put in a delco alternator. No more worries. After replacing the umpteenth point and condensor set (granted, these are not as good as the originals) I put in a Crane ignition. No more ignition problems, (though I would still cast a leery eye under the dizzy every 2-3,000 miles or so). Etc. etc. etc. She loves the truck, but, being rather practical (but not so practical that she would rather have a Dakota...), also can see the benefits of selective upgrades such as cushier springs, a synchro gearbox, an engine that allows a faster average speed, better heat... When I get the firewall back in, I am going to "port match" my Kodaik heater per TeriAnn's instructions. I was surprised at how much restriction there is in the firewall! I absolutely love this truck, I get a foolish grin on my face every time I drive it. When I got it, I knew squat about mechanics, but firmly resolved to do all my own work. The only times repairs went wrong is when I faltered and farmed out the work to a shop. I know a *lot* more about vehicles now than I did 6 years ago. Even my wife catches herself sometimes. Know that movie about the mechanic and Einstein (Walter Matthau). There is a scene where some git drives up to the mechanics shop in a wheezing little Brit sportscar. Reah says, "geeze, that sounds like a problem with the ignition, I wonder if the cap is cracked or the points aren't gapped right?" then the mechanics find out a bit later that the cap is cracked... Clinton "you can pay a mechanic to screw up your truck, or you can screw it up yourself for a fraction of the cost" Coates ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:47:45 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: SU on LR Since the LR is low revving and would probably benefit from a long intake runner how about mounting the SU on an adaptor between the manifold and air cleaner above the engine. A cable throttle shouldn't be difficult to fabricate and with a progressive quadrant could be made to give a very delicate low end operation too. Trevor"I still have the Bosch mechanical injection in the parts box" Easton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 20:06:41 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Land Rover Bodied Bastard Well, this thread is just soldiering on, isn't it. Although I was enjoying it at first it has become a bit tedious. Not sure why people are getting offended because other people have differing opinions but I guess that's up to them. I think you're wasting your energy and risking your health unnecessarily. Anyway, if this topic is going to persist, I've got a brain twister for you. If I have a Bronco and a IIa and I swap the engines and bodies from one to the other and vice versa, which one is which? Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 14:16:56 -0600 From: Jeff Gauvin Subject: Re: LRO: Re: amazing Landrover >Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:55:04 -0700 >From: "Jim Hall" >Subject: Re: LRO: Re: amazing Landrover > >Well, I got video of some of the twist off. My battery died before the >competition was over. Unfortunately, Timm didn't make it either, so it >was all D-90's. Funny part is the one that seemed to do the best on the >"obstacle course" which was a section of 21 road, was the most stock. "Most Stock" Eh? Well, maybe, but that ain't saying much! Vehicle - 1995 Defender 90 (originally a soft top) Modifications Custom paint Custom hard top 4 point internal roll cage Custom made chassis, with off road protection items built in, and then galvanized (Maine winters you know) 300 Tdi (turbo diesel) engine with a Phase 2 intercooler, custom fueling and custom set up injection pump R380 5 speed gearbox LT230 1.4 transfer case Underdrive 4.11 ring and pinions 35" Super Swamper Radials Defender 130 steel wheels ARB lockers front and rear 30 spline rear axles 24 spline HD front axles, with modified 1 ton CV joints Modifed ARB front bumper Warn HS9500 winch Modifed Safari Gard Stage III suspension with modifed 3 link Aux. lights, raised breathers, intake, recovery points, engine driven compressor, tie rod guard, HD drag link, etc. - -- Jeff Gauvin '94 D90 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:39:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium I heard that if you swap a ford into a chevy and a chevy into a ford, they'll both go faster! I'm sorry for my part in perpetuating this muck. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have received this message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (503) 223-4131, and permanently delete the original and any copy of this message. Simon J. Harding Attorney at Law Schulte Anderson Downes Aronson & Bittner, P.C. 503.223.4131 sharding@schulte-law.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:26:38 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: amazing Landrover I'm glad Mike won. That's one sweet truck. It's great off-road and on road too. I drove in it at the Winter Romp and it was very nice. Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 21:27:36 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Land rover bodied tedium >I heard that if you swap a ford into a chevy and a chevy into a ford, >they'll both go faster! I'm sorry for my part in perpetuating this muck. Is that 'cause the engine is trying to get away from the rest of the car? ;-) Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:25:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: rear heater install and Kodiak heater f A few months ago I was given an eight inch square box shaped vehicle heater. I've had a bleed screw installed in it and after painting it, I plan to install it at the rearmost right corner of my SIII 109SW, atop the wheel well. Getting the heater caused a mild case of shippfitter's disease - but witha good result: I first stripped the carpet from the rear (previous owner), and then the carpet padding, glued down, only where the heater was to go, then the whole rear, then stripped the adhesive off (cripes), sanded, primed, wet sanded, and painted (due to mutiple colors showing under the carpet...), so now the rear interior of my 109 is quite nice, but the heater isnt in yet. And its Spring! There may be an issue or two with the gas filler hose and a piece of reinforcing channel in the vicinity of the heater but I think it will work. Before doing the install, and drilling two largish holes for the water inlet and outlet, I thought I'd ask for input from any among us who have installed a second heater. One concern I have is for abuse (rocks, mud dirt) that may be cast toward the water pipes by the tire. I'm toying with a small sheet aluminum shield that I may bolt on when I bolt down the heater. I'd be pleased to hear from anyone. Second, I have a kodiak heater installed and want to hole the wing for the fresh air intake now that I've resoredt the air hose and the flange which screws to the inside of the wing. The heater itself is installed. It is a Mark IV, with an integrated squirrel cage fan and core, with a steel air inlet pointed toward the wing. Any tips on making the hole, lining it up with the heater air inlet, short of wing removal? I have the installation instructions from OVLR, which don't call for wing removal when making this hole (at least, as I recall them), and planned to refer to them. I just want a second method to be double sure before I get the old jigsaw and file out. As you can see, drilling big holes in my rover makes me nervous. Thanks, Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:31:54 +0200 From: jos de vries Subject: Re: LRO: 5 door soft top >Neatest Land-Rover I ever saw was Bill's blasting down the highway with the >top off, the hoop set off, no front doors and the windscreen down... damm, my santana does all that too (santana especial) but when is it ever nice weather for a couple of days so i can lift the roof off. So still no pictures too. gr JOS Jos de Vries Delft, Holland Land Rover SANTANA 109 D Especial '71 Land Rover 88 4x2 '75 LPG > >>> elvenwood@whro.net 04/08/01 09:19PM >>> > Who did this? I believe it was someone in GA. It could be someone on the > Mostly Metro list. There is a guy on the RN BBS that wants info on this > mod. AND YES IT WILL STILL BE A LAND-ROVER FER CHRISTS SAKE. Even if they > don't use an official genuine govmnt issue canvas top. > > Jim Wolf "had my 109 since 71" will do what I damn well want to do to > it!!!!!!! > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:58:59 -0800 From: Russ Wilson Subject: Re: LRO: Series Fuel tanks >Can anyone suggest a way to clean out and seal a series land rover's fuel >tanks if they do not leak, but have a lot of loose scale and debris >inside. Is there a cunning sealant you can slosh around in there and tip >out leaving a perfectly clean and rust protected tank? >Thanks, >Kind regards, >Mark Pilkington look up Eastwoods I think they sell a gastank cleaner / sealer kit. Good luck Russ and Leslie Wilson "Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." - --Ronald Reagan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:08:29 -0400 From: "Larry Smith" Subject: LRO: Re: RE: crap crap crap Yep! Got one of them on a SWB S3 in my back yard right now. Vastly different performance over a Zenith setup. AND for the 'Merican hot rodders, even sounds "mean". Brought the truck in last November. Also has parabolics. It may be for sale soon. Will keep the net posted. Larry Smith Chester, VA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tackley, John" To: Sent: 09 April, 2001 03:14 PM Subject: LRO: RE: crap crap crap > Ahhwell, guess its time for a pierce and a 32/36dvg or the ACR intake with > the SU setup. They recomend it with their head and cam, so might as well > order everything from one place. Pretty strange to see a side draft in a > series though. > Pete > > > >Pete, > Take a look at this...if you want to see te SU ona LR, in situ... > > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=195874&a=12520726 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:10:07 -0400 From: "Larry Smith" Subject: LRO: Re: Hi-lift I still like Dave Bobeck's idea of using skate board wheels as the isolators. Larry Smith Chester, VA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. P. "Sandy" Grice" To: Sent: 09 April, 2001 12:39 AM Subject: LRO: Hi-lift > "Peter Ogilvie" wrote: > > >Bracketing in the back is the safest place to mount it but it will restrict > >storage in the back. Not such a big deal on the 109 but is a factor in the > >88. What mount would work best if I decide to go that route?? > > The standard 4 footer will fit crossways in the back of an 88. Place it on > the wheel wells, hard up against the bulkhead. The spare tire bracket (did > anyone *ever* use the inside tire mount?) when screwed down vertically will > hold the jack in place in even the roughest going. A bit of neoprene under > each end and a bungee in the middle keeps down the rattles. > > Cheers > > *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is legendary-----* > | | > | A. P. "Sandy" Grice | > | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | > | 1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | > | (757)423-4898 (757)622-7054 FAX (757)622-7056 | > | | > *----1972 Series III 88"----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:19:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: heater install Re: the kodiak: make that a Mark III, sorry for the typo. Simon CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorized to read, print, copy or disseminate this message or any attachments to it, or to take any action based on them. If you have received this message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (503) 223-4131, and permanently delete the original and any copy of this message. Simon J. Harding Attorney at Law Schulte Anderson Downes Aronson & Bittner, P.C. 503.223.4131 sharding@schulte-law.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:42:16 +0100 From: Subject: LRO: Re: Series Fuel tanks The most effective way I've tried is to tie the tank to a concrete mixer and chuck in a shovelfull of broken toughened windscreen. Let the thing rumble round for a couple of hours then hoover out the glass/rust and apply whatever sealant you've chosen. Works beautifully #:o) Chaz http://freespace.virgin.net/chaz.mackenzie/home.htm - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pilkington To: lro@Works.Team.Net Date: Monday 9 April 8:02 Subject: LRO: Series Fuel tanks >Can anyone suggest a way to clean out and seal a series land rover's fuel tanks if they do not leak, but have a lot of loose scale and debris inside. Is there a cunning sealant you can slosh around in there and tip out leaving a perfectly clean and rust protected tank? >Thanks, >Kind regards, >Mark Pilkington > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:05:39 -0400 From: William L Leacock Subject: LRO: Distibutors Rebuilt MG Midget distributors (basically same as an LR) are available from AutoZone for $60..... ajr Whilst the distributor is the same basic model (25D4) and will fit, the LR has an ECM curve # 705, 20-22 deg adv with 4 -18-2 suction, the US spec Spridget has curve # 0909, 12 - 14 deg advance and 5-8-3 suction. So by the time you have cahnged all the parts it is aas simple to change the bushes. New bushes with a worn shaft is still better than worn bushes and worn shaft! Regards from Western New York State Bill Leacock. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:50:02 -0400 From: William L Leacock Subject: LRO: radiators Winn, the core of the 2.25 and 2.6 L rads are the same. There is a difference in the inlet /outlet pipe positions. ISTR that the top connection is at the side on the 2.6 and in the center on the 2.25 The core is 439 mm between headers, 458 wide and 52 mm deep, ( 3 row - 10 fins per inch) or 73 mm deep on the ser2. There are a number of factors to be considered when comparing performance, the type and the spacing of the fin (fin density) are significant. I believe that the core thickness was reduced when the fin was changed to a higher performance type. Regards from Western New York State Bill Leacock. aged 21 (33 times) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:36:24 -0700 From: christian147@juno.com Subject: Re: Re LRO: crap crap crap >Not sure of the procedures for checking the dwell. Have a good fluke, but >not sure where the manual is. Also don't know what the dwell spec is. Peter, Dwell meters are getting rare. If your Fluke has Duty Cycle you are in business. on a four cylinder 90 deg dwell = 100% duty cycle, so the conversion is straight forward. If you can change point gap by gently wiggling the dist. shaft it needs rebushed. Checking point gap like you described would find a bent shaft but might not find worn bushes. I have changed a fare number of optical triggers but can't remember a single hall effect sensor going bad. That would make them the most reliable sensor in my study group. I avoid optical triggers except on model trains. The carb really sounds like you have no fuel flowing in the idle circuit, Try loosing the idle jet and see if you can close the throttle some more with it stalling. If so you have a clogged idle jet. If you have a anti-diesel solenoid on your idle jet make sure you get a good solid click when it energizes. Chris hall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:47:09 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Distibutors >From: William L Leacock >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: lro@land-rover.team.net >Subject: LRO: Distibutors >Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 19:05:39 -0400 > >Rebuilt MG Midget distributors (basically same as an LR) are available >from >AutoZone for $60..... ajr > > Whilst the distributor is the same basic model (25D4) and will fit, the >LR has an ECM curve # 705, 20-22 deg adv with 4 -18-2 suction, the US >spec Spridget has curve # 0909, 12 - 14 deg advance and 5-8-3 suction. So >by the time you have cahnged all the parts it is aas simple to change the >bushes. New bushes with a worn shaft is still better than worn bushes and >worn shaft! > >Regards from Western New York State > > Bill Leacock. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #323 **********************************************