From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Sun Apr 8 00:12:14 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f384CDN31501 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:12:13 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3837tg11811 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3837s811808 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11880 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f382M9914141 for lro-digest-gone; Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:22:09 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:22:09 -0400 Message-Id: <200104080222.f382M9914141@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #319 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Saturday, April 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 319 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:46:23 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #313 http://www.mcmaster.com/ > Does anyone have the URL? > > Peter Rosvall > Wolfville, Nova Scotia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:48:05 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: re: power > How about a "Mr. Fusion" like the Doc has rigged up on the DeLorean at the end > of "Back To The Future," just dump in a little household trash and away you > go! > > Casey Ahh, but that only powered the flux capacitor, still needed the internal combustion engine to get up to 88 mph. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:37:32 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: crap crap crap 32/34dmtl kit showed up today. Got it all put together. Pulled the old 34ich and intake off and cleaned everything up for the new mainifold. The 2.5 is designed to bolt to the exhaust just like the 2.25, bonus I figure. Nope, POS has a larger bolt pattern. Would have to remove large amounts of aluminium to be able to bolt a flat plat to the top of the exhaust and still be able to fit the intake, like about 3/8-1/2 inch. Or I could drill new holes in the intake. EIther way, it's a bodge an a half. So just went ahead and cleaned up the 2.25 intake, replaced all the gaskets and put it back on. I removed everyfitting from the intake and carb and plugged em up. No vacuum leaks anywhere. Drove around the block, ran great. Had the mixture screw at 2 turns, idle at 2-1/2. Shut down. Got my wallet to go get some fuel. Started, but wouldn't keep an idel...step on the gas and it dies. Aaargh. Screw the idle screw in about 5 full turns and it almost stays running. Stalls out at lights, but accelerates fine. f-ing POS...hahahaha Ahhwell, guess its time for a pierce and a 32/36dvg or the ACR intake with the SU setup. They recomend it with their head and cam, so might as well order everything from one place. Pretty strange to see a side draft in a series though. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 11:33:10 +0100 From: Andy Smith Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard In message <00b201c0bee7$1c856180$96729d18@slnt1.on.wave.home.com>, Jean-Leon Morin writes >Marin, I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way, didn't mean to do it. >Your aggressive attacks on young people did get to me a bit, not because I >feel singled out, but they reinforce the notion that I will have to prepare >myself in order to deal with you when I enter the real workforce. I forgive >you as you obviously have never come into contact with smart young people, >and I feel sorry for you. It must be hell living when you think everything >you do is to benefit a generation that is without value. Just a thought and if somebody else has said I apologies now. Did Marin hate himself when he was young ?, those years must of been Tortuous for him.................. - --- Andy Smith ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:08:35 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Webber Carb question. Sure, why not? you use to warm your toes. John and Muddy christian147@juno.com wrote: > > Coolant to prevent carb icing? > > Chris hall ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 06:59:28 -0400 From: Keith Elliott Subject: LRO: RE: Webber Carb question. This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BF51.D0F1FD30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Bill... I just bought and sent one of these carbs back to Wise Owl. The 2 larger outlets on the bottom are for coolent (so I was told by WO) to help with the iceing problem. I sent mine back because it didn't fit the intake adapter that I also bought from WO. You might want to check to see if it fits the adapter that you have also. The holes in the base of mine were a little too close together. TTYL Keith - -----Original Message----- From: William L Leacock To: lro@land-rover.team.net Sent: 4/6/01 5:25 PM Subject: LRO: Webber Carb question. I have just recieved a Webber Carb, model 341CEV which is significantly different to the Webber carb I purchased 8 or 9 years ago. It came with no instructions. Thge throttle butterfly is mounted in a separate casting which is fixed to the base of the carb by a couple of screws. In this separate base is the obviuos connection for the distibutor vacuum supply. There are two additional - approx. 1/4" dia - pipes fitted to the base casting. Anyone any idea what these are used for? If I blow into one, the air exits the other one, if I block one off with a finger and suck on the other I can feel the suction at my finger. It appears to me that these pipes are of no use. Seems odd to fit a couple of pipes that serve no function, unless the base is used on another carb variant that has some use for them. Regards from Western New York State Bill Leacock. 21 years old ( for the 34th time!) - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BF51.D0F1FD30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Webber Carb question.

Hi Bill...

   I just bought and sent one of these = carbs back to Wise Owl. The 2 larger outlets on the bottom are for = coolent (so I was told by WO) to help with the iceing problem. I sent = mine back because it didn't fit the intake adapter that I also bought = from WO. You might want to check to see if it fits the adapter that you = have also. The holes in the base of mine were a little  too close = together.

TTYL
Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: William L Leacock
To: lro@land-rover.team.net
Sent: 4/6/01 5:25 PM
Subject: LRO: Webber Carb question.

I have just recieved a Webber Carb, model 341CEV = which is significantly
different to the Webber carb I purchased 8 or 9 = years ago. It came with
no instructions.
Thge throttle butterfly is mounted in a separate = casting which is fixed
to the base of the carb by a couple of = screws.
In this separate base is the obviuos connection for = the distibutor
vacuum
supply. There are two additional - approx. 1/4" = dia - pipes fitted to
the
base casting. Anyone any idea what these are used = for? If I blow into
one, the air exits the other one, if I block one off = with a finger and
suck on the other I can feel the suction at my = finger. It appears to me
that these pipes are of no use. Seems odd to fit a = couple of pipes that
serve no function, unless the base is used on = another carb variant that
has some use for them.

Regards from Western New York State

  Bill Leacock.

21 years old ( for the 34th time!)

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0BF51.D0F1FD30-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:05:14 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: re: power Nuclear engineer we had giving a talk to the Red Rose Land Rover Club a few years ago said a nuclear plant to drive a Land Rover would only need to be the size of a pea. It was the six feet thick lead shielding that he said might cause problems... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Casey McMullen To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: Re: LRO: re: power > > Talking about engine swaps, wouldn't a little nuclear reactor that you only > > > had to fill up once, and drive forever, be a dandy source of power for the > > old series. Eliminate the problem of high fuel consumption and pollution of > > > the Petrol engines. > > How about a "Mr. Fusion" like the Doc has rigged up on the DeLorean at the end > of "Back To The Future," just dump in a little household trash and away you > go! > > Casey > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:54:39 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing you write: > I wonder if the Discos will still be produced with GM door latches like > they are now.<<< Austin Montego/Maestro, surely? Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:53:01 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Quest for Verisimilitude sorry Al, forget the 90. It got parked up, we walked, like I said, only twelve houses. Can I make it clear here that I in no way condone drinking and driving, I would never do it. Rosie just got herself in a pickle by accepting a couple more 'Christmas Boxes' than she should, but she was clear headed enough to know that she couldn't go and drive down into the village. Mind you, we were equally funny staggering all over the place on shanks'. Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Quest for Verisimilitude > > Y'know, Frank, the vision of you lot staggering about the countryside in a > GPO 90 singing Christmas carols and delivering mail is going to make me > giggle for the next week or so... > > ajr > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:39:25 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Frank Elson, The Quest for Tunesmiths ISTR it was a pseudonym for John Lennon and Paul McCartney but I guess someone else will put you straight. I had a brilliant url for a site that purports to tell you everything you wanted to know about popular music but lost it during one of my crashes. Somewhere it's on a piece of paper... Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Ogilvie To: Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:05 PM Subject: LRO: Re: Frank Elson, The Quest for Tunesmiths > Frank Elson > > Since most of the music I like is as old as my rovers, have a question for > you. I was going through my old vinyl records of the Stones and kept coming > across Nanker Phelg as the writer of many of their early songs. Was there a > guy named Nanker Phelg (did his parents hate him) or are these the last > names of two people?? They wrote many of the Stones best songs but I've > never heard anything about them, either then or now. Can you enlighten > me??? > > Aloha > Peter > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:36:39 -0500 From: "Brian Willoughby" Subject: LRO: 30 years into the future You know, if Land-Rovers were such junk in the form in which they left the factory, I wonder why so many have survived 30, 40 even 50 years in unmolested, original form for all the engine conversion crowd to work their magic upon them? It will be interesting to see in 30 years which vehicles are going stronger: the 60, 70 and even 80 year old Land-Rovers with their original drivetrains or all of these amateur conversions. Coincidentally, someone questioned my knowledge of Land-Rover history since I didn't mention any of the military or license-produced vehicles. Since these were factory-approved and entered series production, they simply do not fall into the same category as the current crop of one-off engine conversions being performed by individuals. There's a difference between the Royal Army having a fleet of Series Is fitted with Rolls-Royce engines for evaluation as compared to an individual taking this upon himself. Just because I didn't mention these, does not mean I was unaware of them. If the engine swappers are so convinced that what they are doing is so right, then why do they get so defensive and attempt to cling onto something that the factory did or gave its blessing to 40 or more years ago for validity? Brian Willoughby ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 01 09:39:16 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: 30 years into the future >If >the engine swappers are so convinced that what they are doing is so right, >then why do they get so defensive and attempt to cling onto something that >the factory did or gave its blessing to 40 or more years ago for validity? I can speak for myself. I wanted to go to a more powerful engine several years before I did. During those years I did not make the swap because I wanted to be accepted as part of the group. I was afraid I would be ostracized and being accepted was something that was important to me. So I stayed with a Land Rover engine. I'm an atypical Land Rover owner in that I actually put miles on my series Land Rover. American LR parts houses are convinced that the vast majority of North American series LRs get used 5000 miles or less per year. Looking at some of the series rigs that show up at local British car meets I can believe this claim, because they are not in dependable running condition and the same rigs show up year after year with the same problems. An owner who just puts on a few miles a month but depends on a different car for REAL traveling, can be a dedicated to something non-practical. Because it is their fantasy toy car and they have their real car for commuting and real traveling. For many years I have been putting a minimum or 25,000 miles per year on my Land Rover. That is why I "snuck in" such things as dual power brakes from a series III, the later series optional heated windscreen, the series III two speed wiper system (I was actually driving long distances in bad weather and wanted to see), and a series III 109 rear axle assembly after I broke my sixth stock rear axle. But through all my driving I have been in a very large number of potentially life threatening driving situations. Going as fast as I can I was still not going as fast as relevant traffic. Impatient drivers were passing on hills near the crest, on blind curves and in any number of dangerous situations. In highways I was always having vehicles coming up from behind at much higher speeds. Sometimes at over twice my best speed. In 1997 I got run off the road by an 18 wheeler that tried to pass me and discovered an oncoming 18 wheeler he hadn't seen. It was then I decided that an engine with more power was more important to me than being accepted by the American series Land Rover purists. Then of course in my own way I have set about trying to make an engine swap acceptable to the average American series Land Rover owner. I get upset when people deny that my car is not Land Rover at all. I have no problem with Land Rover/Ford or Land Rover hybrid. But the body is Land Rover, the frame is Land Rover the suspension, brakes, and axle assemblies are Land Rover as well as the prop shafts and transfer case. All of the volume II and part of volume I of the Factory workshop manual still applies. SO yes I get upset if someone denies those parts as having any "Land Roverness" at all. Even though I tend to travel alone, I guess deep down inside I still want to be accepted as part of the series Land Rover group. So I guess that is why I for one tend to get defensive. I feel the ONLY people who can legitimately criticize my Land Rover are those who put at least 20,000 miles per year on their own series Land Rover. The people who have their fantasy toy rigs that only go out for occasional short trips don't have a clue about what people who put real miles on their rigs go through. TeriAnn Wakeman If you send me direct mail, please Santa Cruz, California start the subject line with TW - twakeman@cruzers.com I will be sure to read the message http://www.shadow-catcher.net <- Photography for sale http://www.overlander.net <- Web directory for Land Rover http://www.cruzers.com/~twakeman <- My personal web site "In the world of type A & type B drivers consider me a type C gypsy traveler. Destinations are optional and not necessarily desirable." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:13:10 EDT From: NADdMD@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: 30 years into the future In a message dated 4/7/2001 12:45:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, twakeman@cruzers.com writes: << I feel the ONLY people who can legitimately criticize my Land Rover are those who put at least 20,000 miles per year on their own series Land Rover. >> Oh, I don't really agree. I don't have any rigs that come close to approaching 20K a year--10-12K per year for most. My Land Rover is my daily drive and when I need parts for it, a 79 J10 with slipping clutch is my back up. I put 10K per year on my LR, 12K per year on my Chevy 3500 (all towing btw), 8K on my JGC and 3-4K on a 1983 GMC 6000 series Horse Van. Puh-leeze don't try to tell me my LR is just my fantasy toy car. On the flip side, I might imply you should consider less driving since I think you are at least 1 and probably 2 SD's from the US mean for miles traveled by privately owned vehicle per year. Nate (and before you decide to start adding the mileages above, remember we own and operate a Horse Farm--commercial/agricultural and transporting horses is part of the business) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 20:01:48 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard (Long and Bitter) Brian Willoughby wrote: >> I think that a vehicle properly restored to original condition or maintained from new in its original state is a considerably more difficult goal to accomplish than cutting one up and modifying it. << true, but so what? Why 'restore' something to its flawed original when you have the knowledge and competence to improve it? >>I enjoy the challenge of tracking down rare parts that the engine swappers don't give > two cents about: I even have a set of four long-out of production Lodge > spark plugs for car show display purposes. (I could explain what Lodge > spark plugs are and look like; however, those who care already know and > those who are concerned about Iron Dukes will never understand.)<<< you own a set of useless, old fashioned spark plugs? wow, do you keep them in a glass case? >>>I didn't buy a Land-Rover expecting it > to be a perfect vehicle and I accepted it for what it was. People accept most other vehicles for what they are: why can't they do it with Land-Rovers?<<< because the technology exists to improve it. Do you light your home with gas or electricity? > I think it would do some of these engine swapping kids good to be forced to > read a history of the Rover Company Ltd. Mind you, I mean something > concerning Rover as a whole and not just Land-Rover. I would like them to > realize the company had a history prior to producing Land-Rovers, beginning > with bicycle manufacture during the late 1800s and proceeding to building > some of the first jet engines during World War II. Then after they've > covered the pre-war history, they could research the mergers of all the > automobile companies that formed British Leyland and finally proceed to > BMW's buyout of Rover Group and then the selling and division of the > remains to the subsequent purchase of the Land-Rover division by Ford. > Perhaps if they'd do this they'd have a little more respect for their > Land-Rovers and what they represent. <<< you mean a commercial company, dedicated to making a few pounds (sorry, dollars) for selling something? Car making isn't fine art. > I'm sure that in 1948 Maurice remarked, "You know, this vehicle is a heap > of crap and, quite honestly, I'm ashamed of it. My conscience is also > bothering me: these things are going to have a high selling price and they > are so flawed and irregular--simply trash. Though that's okay. We > designed them so that the people who buy them will be able to make their > own modifications and change them 'round. Nevertheless, it still seems a > pity to ask such a high price for the things and then expect people to be > forced to go out and have to purchase another engine to replace these > worthless lumps we're installing. Alas, I'm certain that 20 year old kids > in the year 2001 will understand that we so poorly engineered these things > that they have to be rebuilt by their owners to be any good." Of course, > Maurice Wilkes didn't say that and if the factory-stock Land-Rover had been > as bad as some people make them out to be, Rover wouldn't have ever sold a > single unit. For that matter, Rover, much less Land-Rover, would probably > have never survived.<< No, according to Tom 'Mr Land Rover' Barton, who was around at the time and who I have actually spoken to (have you?) the thought was: 'We have to get a vehicle out into the boonies to sell and bring a few pounds in. This old Jeep I'm runing around on Anglesey seems OK, it is very good on the farm. If we make a copy of it, we'll have to use aluminium for the body 'cos the government won't give us any steel, and make the chassis up out of the few off-cuts of steel we can get hold of, and use this old Rover car engine 'cos we've got the tooling for it, we might sell a few to farmers, like me, and get a few quid into the coffers while we sort out what to do with the cars.' (not a perfect quote, but the gist of what he said) The fact that a company called Land Rover might ever see the light of day was totally incomprehensible in those days of 1947. They didn't even see the thing lasting more than a couple of years. > All this engine swapping nonsense shows a complete lack of understanding of > Rover's history and how the Land-Rover came about.<<< see above, nobody even considered in their wildest dreams that they would build a 'second' Land Rover themselves. >> I guess that's what > happens when people buy them because they "look cool". The cool looks wear > thin after a short while and they can't and don't satisfy these peoples' > need for a modern car and, thus, they start in on engine conversions. << So, forget gas, rushes soaked in bear grease is good enough to light your house then? >> It's > too bad that perspective buyers can't rent a Series Land-Rover for a couple > of weeks to find out if they really do want one. (Before any of you get > any ideas, I thought of this renting scheme first!)<<< I agree, first time this message tho. >>About seven years ago, being an admirer of all things Rover,<<< you admire a commercially operated company dedicated to selling anything that brings a pound (sorry again, a dollar) into the bank? Not an artist, or a composer, but a commercial company? Weird that. >>I nearly > bought a '66 Rover 2000SC from a college student: it had been bought > merely based on the fact that it "was funky". The idiot hadn't a clue > about how to care for the car and used DOT 3 to top off the fluid > reservoir. Naturally, the rubber in the brake system quickly > self-destructed and to alleviate the problem, a bottle of "Heavy Duty DOT > 3" was purchased (I found the bottle in the boot.) Of course, the car > wouldn't stop and since the kid was too dumb and proud to ask a question or > try to analyze what had gone wrong, the car was for sale as someone else's > problem to solve. The deal fell through and I later found out that a > salvage yard was called to haul the car away. I was told the kid got paid > $25 for the "funky car." The moral is that if the kid had bother to learn > something about the car, it might still be on the road rather than having > been crushed. What a shame, it was a really nice, original P6. <<< Having owned 23 products of the Rover Car Company over the years I have to admit that I never bought a one 'cos I 'admired' the company. I bought them (including a P6 that is still running today) 'cos they were better than the competitors. The 'Kid' you refer to was just a prat. I guess he'd have screwed up any car he got his hands on. > The thing that bothers me about these homemade hybrids is that they are not > being designed by automotive engineers. For that matter, they're not even > being approached in a very scientific manner at all. Engineering or > re-engineering a car is not for amateurs.<<< Gifted amateurs, without stockholders to answer to, can often do a better job than the professionals. No financial bottom line y'see. I've seen Land Rovers, and other vehicles, made far better than the original that came out of the factory with a stockholder breathing down the neck of the makers. >>>for that matter, even the experts > can develop things that are death-traps (the grossly overpowered Sunbeam > Tiger and A.C. Cobra are prime examples of a legitimate [i.e. > factory-built] hybrids that could be downright dangerous in the hands of an > inexperienced driver.) <<< 'Could' was a word you used here. A tricycle 'could' be downright dangerous in the hands of an inexperienced driver. Your point is completely invalid. >> I have to seriously question the abilities of some > of the people currently contemplating re-engineering their Land-Rovers. Do > these people have the capabilities to perform testing with computer models > of how all their modifications will work out? I doubt it. << See above, I have to seriously question your ability to comment on some of the people currently contemplating re-engineering their Land-Rovers. How many of them have you met? Over the years I have met 'amateur' engineers who, because of the unlimited time they have and because the end-cost does not matter - only the result - have totally out-engineered the professionals. Also, the vehicle you seem to like in its original guise was not built with the aid of computers. They didn't have any at Solihull in 1947. >>>They certainly > can't build a series prototypes to help envision what the finished > product's dynamics will be like. Most car companies build test mule after > mule in an attempt to get everything right. <<< well, yes, today. Not, with the original Land Rover according to Tom Barton. Except of course for the centre steer prototype. His words: 'When I drove it on the roads for the first time I came back into the works and said, that thing is bloody dangerous.' >>Does the Motor Heritage Trust go out seeking > hacked up Land-Rovers with Iron Dukes in them? Hardly. What is in their > collection? Vehicles like HUE 166--which was bought back from a farmer who > had owned and used it for years and hadn't "re-engined" it. <<< and the 'modified' Darien Gap Range Rover, a handful of fire-engine mods, the London-Sydney Rally 1800, the Paddy Hopkirk Monte Carlo Rally winning Mini Cooper, the Triumph 2.5 pi Mexico Rally vehicle, and loads more. (Many of which I have driven, with their permission, I've also driven HUE, wow!) all radically modified from the showroom model and all part of the Rover/British Leyland heritage. >>> Does anyone > ever discussed these vehicles after the fact? I've never heard anyone > concerning themselves about John Q. Public's Volkswagen-diesel powered > Land-Rover bodied bastard after John Q. does his conversion--no one cares > after a few months or years. If these things are so important in the > greater scheme of Land-Rover history, why aren't they detailed and > discussed in depth in books dealing with Land-Rover history? Could it be > because they aren't part of the history that the manufacturer was > responsible for? <<< I've not read many Land Rover books that don't have at least a chapter on modifications/alterations, for sport and other uses. >>> Obviously, the manufacturer (as well as many others) does > not recognize the Land-Rover-bodied bastards as being Land-Rovers and why > should they? They aren't anything more than a Land-Rover bodyshell in the > end.<<< On my many visits to the Land Rover factory I frequently see 'hybrid' vehicles being evaluated. Hell, my own IVECO engined vehicle was given the once over (and the seal of approval as in 'that fits very well') at the factory. They are interested in anything anyone does to a Land Rover, they just can't invite every altered Land Rover for a look-see and, anyway, they aren't very interested in any Land Rover more than five years old. They only sell new ones you see. >>>Speaking of hot rods, there's an interesting one locally--it's based on a > Citroen 15CV. Yes, it's fascinating that someone put a Chevy engine and > rear end in it, though what a shame to chop up what is a quite scarce car > on this side of the Atlantic. In this transition, it's lost all of its > original French charm that made it uniquely Citroen; now it's just a > collection of parts. Hell, it's even lost its famous "traction avant" in > this futile attempt to create a better Big 15. Is there a single auto > museum that would want this thing in their collection? <<< cars, you may be interested in knowing this, don't belong in museums. They belong on the road, going vroom vroom... ah, but you keep some old spark plugs in a glass case don't you? >>what these Land-Rover > engine swappers are doing is creating collections of unrelated parts that > have no value except to their owners<<< so who should your car have a value to, other than yourself? A car thief? Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:01:37 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: LRO: Re: Nanker Phelg It appears the Phelg comes from an early hanger on with the last name of Phelg. According to him, the Nanker part was a name they had for something like making a face. Apparently Phelg was a friend of Charlie Watts but not particularly liked by the rest of the band. I guess Nanker Phelp was the Stones (Jagger's amd Richard's way to get even) choice as a name for their publishing company not the tunesmith who penned the song. I'd have to dig back in my staff it looked Nanker Phelg was the writer, however. Mahalo for getting back to me. Aloha Peter >From: "Frank Elson" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: Re: LRO: re: power >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:05:14 +0100 > >Nuclear engineer we had giving a talk to the Red Rose Land Rover Club a few >years ago said a nuclear plant to drive a Land Rover would only need to be >the size of a pea. > It was the six feet thick lead shielding that he said might cause >problems... >Best Cheers > >Frank > +--+--+--+ > I !__| [_]|_\___ > I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV > "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Casey McMullen >To: >Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:29 PM >Subject: Re: LRO: re: power > > > > > Talking about engine swaps, wouldn't a little nuclear reactor that you >only > > > > > had to fill up once, and drive forever, be a dandy source of power for >the > > > old series. Eliminate the problem of high fuel consumption and >pollution of > > > > > the Petrol engines. > > > > How about a "Mr. Fusion" like the Doc has rigged up on the DeLorean at >the >end > > of "Back To The Future," just dump in a little household trash and away >you > > go! > > > > Casey > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1 > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 13:37:53 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: LRO: Global Warming A few days ago Mark wrote: "The average commercial airport runway is about 10,000 feet long, imagine how short one is as you drive past it. If that were upended vertically, it would reach higher than where humans can comfortably live." Whereum you live flatlander? 10,000ft is just letting the air get to a breathble consistency.... Rob "Mountain Goat" Ries ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 14:19:20 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: LRO: Power "However to all those who try to assure us that nuclear is non poluting have you so soon forgotten Chernobyl. It simply saves its polution to be released in one catastrophy. Then there is question of spent fuel which is just being hidden at the present. John and Muddy" For an interesting way on dealing with power plant spent fuel material, read Larry Nivens book "All the Myriad Ways". A more realistic solution would be to put it all in glass bricks (chemically stable), fence off a not to large section of desert (5-8 square miles of Death Valley) and stack the bricks behind barbed wire with signs every 50 feet "You will die if you pass this fence". Save the material until it cools off or we find a better use for it (recycling, yes?) Idiots who tresspass will clean themselves from the gene pool. Second option, drop the bricks into geological subduction zones (deep ocean trenches mostly) for the ultimate in recycling. Problem is that uranium/plutonium for fission reactors is also a finite resource that will one day be used up like coal/oil. Need to develop renewable resources such as fusion (engineering problems, Marin get on it!. ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 09:59:11 -0400 From: William L Leacock Subject: LRO: LR dating I have followed the dating discussion without even bothering to look at the pictures. To attempt to date a more than thirty year old Land Rover - possibly 40 years old, by lamps, steps, door locks etc is ridiculous. Particulalry in an area of the world that spares are hard to come by. All the items mentioned can easliy be moved from vehicle to vehicle. My 1959 88 has number plate lamp(chromed) , a 1964 engine, 1998 pistons, valves etc, an alternator circa 1980, 1998 galvanized steel plates welded to the chassis (could have been rolled in 1997!) , a 1968 truck cab, no steps, 1998 headlamps and ex miltary side lamps, no sills, an anti burst door lock on the drivers side, How would you date it? Regards from Western New York State Bill Leacock. PS is it still a Land Rover? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:43:53 EDT From: NADdMD@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: LR dating In a message dated 4/7/2001 5:33:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, roverbilly@juno.com writes: << My 1959 88 has number plate lamp(chromed) , a 1964 engine, 1998 pistons, valves etc, an alternator circa 1980, 1998 galvanized steel plates welded to the chassis (could have been rolled in 1997!) , a 1968 truck cab, no steps, 1998 headlamps and ex miltary side lamps, no sills, an anti burst door lock on the drivers side, How would you date it? >> I'd tell it I have a heated garage with fresh 90 wt and would it want to come over and see my etchings of the service manual. Nate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:22:50 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: LRO: Exhaust manifold differences SIIa/SIII? I'm replacing the cracked manifold on my IIa (okay, cracked is an understatement - the #4 runner fell off) and the replacement one I have is off an SIII. There's quite a difference - the original has a (jammed) butterfly valve in the exhaust manifold that's apparantly heat activated, while this bit is absent on the replacement. What exactly is this for (heating the carb?), should I be concerned for my Solex and why the change? For those of you interested in the progress, my site is being updated every few days: http://keith.miata.net/landy . I think it's still a Land Rover :) Keith Tanner - ------------ Keith's page de home: http://keith.miata.net - ------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:21:59 -0400 From: Keith Tanner Subject: LRO: Clutch Bleeding mystery resolved! It's good to live in Ottawa. Ted Rose stopped by today to help troubleshoot my recalcitrant clutch system. After some goofing around with my vacuum pump, we pulled apart the clutch master cylinder while it was still installed in the truck. It turns out that I had neglected to bend the locking tab for the spring retainer down enough during my rebuild and the piston was roaming free in the bore. About three pumps later and voila! A hard pedal. Ted vanished off again after spending an hour in the driveway, spreading Land Rover cheer as he went. So - the moral of the story: even if you think the spring is always compressed and doesn't really need that locking tab, it isn't and it does :) Things still aren't adjusted quite right, as the clutch seems to drag just enough to prevent me from selecting a gear when the truck is stopped - but that's something I can deal with by getting the right adjustment on the pushrod, I hope. It will sit happily in the driveway with the clutch in and a gear selected so it's obviously a very small amount of drag. Unless there's some "feature" I don't know about - it's a IIa with the later hydrostatic clutch. Thank you Ted! Keith Tanner - ------------ Keith's page de home: http://keith.miata.net - ------------ ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #319 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Sun Apr 8 22:11:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f392BhN01884 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 22:11:43 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f3917RR08454 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3917Q808451 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01752 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f390WF521242 for lro-digest-gone; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:32:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:32:15 -0400 Message-Id: <200104090032.f390WF521242@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #320 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Sunday, April 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 320 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 23:36:27 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: LR dating e, How would you date it? > > Regards from Western New York State > > Bill Leacock. > Hi, Honey wanna dance? John and Muddy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:39:01 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Clutch Bleeding mystery resolved! On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Keith Tanner wrote: : :Things still aren't adjusted quite right, as the clutch seems to drag just :enough to prevent me from selecting a gear when the truck is stopped - but :that's something I can deal with by getting the right adjustment on the :pushrod, I hope. It will sit happily in the driveway with the clutch in and :a gear selected so it's obviously a very small amount of drag. Unless :there's some "feature" I don't know about - it's a IIa with the later :hydrostatic clutch. I'd guess you need to adjust the push rod. It's also possible that the pins in the sleeve the pushrod attaches to are worn or broken. Same thing for the spherical bushing at the end of the rod. It takes only a very slight amount of wear at that end of the linkage to greatly reduce the movement of the clutch. David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 02:47:02 -0000 From: "N Forbes" Subject: Re: LRO: Clutch Bleeding mystery resolved! Hey Keith, I hope it's not but that sounds exactly like the problem I had with mine. It would sit still in gear with the clutch in but it wouldn't go into gear. I had to replace the pressure plate. like you said, fiddle with the pushrod first. Good luck. Niall Forbes 66 IIa 88SW - The Red Zit Dartmouth, Nova Scotia The Nova Scotian Rover - http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/forbes/intro.htm "See the happy moron, He doesn't give a damn. I wish I were a moron. My God! Perhaps I am!" - --author unknown _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:55:10 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: LR dating On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, John Cranfield wrote: :e, How would you date it? :> :> Regards from Western New York State :> :> Bill Leacock. :> :Hi, Honey wanna dance? :John and Muddy Surely that should be "Wanna play in the mud?" - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 19:50:03 -0700 From: Jeremy Bartlett Subject: Re LRO: crap crap crap > Ahhwell, guess its time for a pierce and a 32/36dvg or the ACR intake with > the SU setup. They recomend it with their head and cam, so might as well > order everything from one place. Pretty strange to see a side draft in a > series though. Be aware that the ACR SU requires and adaptor plate for LHD mounts. I have the kit in my garage and the adaptor drawing from Bill at GBR (shows you how much spare time I've got). The Pierce/Weber works wonders on the three or four vehicles I've seen use it. I'm intrigued to find out what the ACR SU will do by comparison (BTW ACR also recommend an enlarged exhaust). Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 06:38:13 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: Re LRO: crap crap crap > > Ahhwell, guess its time for a pierce and a 32/36dvg or the ACR intake with > > the SU setup. > Be aware that the ACR SU requires and adaptor plate for LHD mounts. I have the > kit in my garage and the adaptor drawing from Bill at GBR (shows you how much > spare time I've got). The Pierce/Weber works wonders on the three or four > vehicles I've seen use it. Thanks for the info. Makes sense, I was thinking about it tonight as I was working on the 34ich, and wondered how it fit. Will call Pierce back on Monday and order the manifold. 32/36dvg's are available from a local race shop at a great price. Pete ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 22:55:04 -0700 From: "Jim Hall" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: amazing Landrover Well, I got video of some of the twist off. My battery died before the competition was over. Unfortunately, Timm didn't make it either, so it was all D-90's. Funny part is the one that seemed to do the best on the "obstacle course" which was a section of 21 road, was the most stock. The only series at all to show up was an ambulance. John Hong was there however, and it was nice talking to him. Hope Peter wrote: > > > What is he up to for a > > replacment????? Michael Slade would know but he is not talking. > > > > TeriAnn Wakeman > > Maybe the Ser I 109? > > Say anyone taking a video camera to the Twist Off? Let me get a copy, can > trade for some Kona Gold. > Pete - -- Jim Hall 1966 88" Elephant Chaser http://www.users.qwest.net/~jimfoo "You know, I never really damaged my Rover 'till I started wheeling with Jim." Mitch Stockdale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: LRO: Power "Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:48:05 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: Re: LRO: re: power > How about a "Mr. Fusion" like the Doc has rigged up on the DeLorean at the end > of "Back To The Future," just dump in a little household trash and away you > go! > > Casey Ahh, but that only powered the flux capacitor, still needed the internal combustion engine to get up to 88 mph. Pete" An obvious design flaw that could be fixed by the "amatuer backyard Rover engineer", but afterwards it could not be classified as a L.R. due to "non-factory approved/tested" modifications... LONG LIVE THE FLAME!! (well, spark anyway...) Toungue planted firmly in cheek 8>) ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:11:00 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: LRO: Power "Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:36:46 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: re: power In the 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' vein, hear that those that haven't died of the immediate and radiation caused secondary effects of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are living longer and healthier lives than their non exposed counter parts. Looks like a little radiation may be a good thing. Anybody want to volunteer to find out what 'little' is??" Read "Know Nukes" by James Hogan in his collection "Minds, Machines and Evolution". By the way, the glass bricks/desert storage idea was cribbed from Spyder Robinson/R.A. Heinlein/Larry Niven or one of their ilk. Apologies for non-attribution.. mea culpa! (If you have to ask who these people are, you really need to look outside your own head.) ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: LRO: Living forever "Correct me if Im wrong, and at the risk of sparking a religious debate, but nobody lives forever..... Regards :-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix)" I bloody well plan to, mate!! See you at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe!! ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Robert=20Ries?= Subject: [none] "- -Just look look at the first land rover . . .it was a conversion -> on a Jeep . . . Need I say more? - - -Regards - - -Ike Goss (1959 SII 88)" Some things we don't talk about in polite company, my good man... ===== Robert D. Ries SSgt, USAF Burwell, England "With friends like these..." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 08:50:51 -0400 From: Keith Elliott Subject: LRO: RE: Exhaust manifold differences SIIa/SIII? This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C02A.8AE77D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Keith It is my understanding that this is called a heat riser valve (i could be wrong here) and yes it allows heat to rise and warm the intake. There was one on my Series II as well when I got it and I replaced it for the exact same reason as you. I do have icing problems with my solex but I don't know if it is because I don't have the heat riser valve on the new manifold or not. I'm switching to a Weber so hopefully that will do away with my problem. I would say change it and see how it goes. Keith - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Tanner To: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net Sent: 4/7/01 10:22 PM Subject: LRO: Exhaust manifold differences SIIa/SIII? I'm replacing the cracked manifold on my IIa (okay, cracked is an understatement - the #4 runner fell off) and the replacement one I have is off an SIII. There's quite a difference - the original has a (jammed) butterfly valve in the exhaust manifold that's apparantly heat activated, while this bit is absent on the replacement. What exactly is this for (heating the carb?), should I be concerned for my Solex and why the change? For those of you interested in the progress, my site is being updated every few days: http://keith.miata.net/landy . I think it's still a Land Rover :) Keith Tanner - ------------ Keith's page de home: http://keith.miata.net - ------------ - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C02A.8AE77D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Exhaust manifold differences SIIa/SIII?

Hi Keith

   It is my understanding that this is = called a heat riser valve (i could be wrong here) and yes it allows = heat to rise and warm the intake. There was one on my Series II as well = when I got it and I replaced it for the exact same reason as you. I do = have icing problems with my solex but I don't know if it is because I = don't have the heat riser valve on the new manifold or not. I'm = switching to a Weber so hopefully that will do away with my problem. I = would say change it and see how it goes.

Keith
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Tanner
To: lro@Land-Rover.Team.Net
Sent: 4/7/01 10:22 PM
Subject: LRO: Exhaust manifold differences = SIIa/SIII?

I'm replacing the cracked manifold on my IIa (okay, = cracked is an
understatement - the #4 runner fell off) and the = replacement one I have
is
off an SIII. There's quite a difference - the = original has a (jammed)
butterfly valve in the exhaust manifold that's = apparantly heat
activated,
while this bit is absent on the replacement. What = exactly is this for
(heating the carb?), should I be concerned for my = Solex and why the
change?

For those of you interested in the progress, my site = is being updated
every
few days: http://keith.miata.net/landy . I think it's still = a Land Rover
:)

Keith Tanner
------------
Keith's page de home:
    http://keith.miata.net
------------

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C02A.8AE77D40-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 09:04:46 EDT From: HeirPhoto@aol.com Subject: LRO: Re: - --part1_e8.1310c89e.2801bbee_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/01 8:16:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, robert_ries09459@yahoo.com writes: > "- -Just look look at the first land rover . . .it was a > conversion -> on a Jeep > Robert, The frame switch does not bother me at all especially since it gives me a near assembly line new Lightweight ! I was more interested in knowing about the Scots Dragoon Guards. I see the old covered up stencil lettering on the door but have never seen a picture of a British Rover in service with lettering other than a Red Cross or UN version. Without the original military numbers it is hard to trace this one. I have the previous UK owners address and will fire off a letter seeing what he knows. Best, Tony ANTHONY D. MILLER & Co. ~ The Tintype Artist ~ Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes 34 Perryfalls Place Baltimore, Maryland 21236 410-256-7442 www.tintype-artist.com - --part1_e8.1310c89e.2801bbee_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/01 8:16:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
robert_ries09459@yahoo.com writes:


"- -Just look look at the first land rover . . .it was a
conversion -> on a Jeep


Robert,
The frame switch does not bother me at all especially since it gives me a
near assembly line new Lightweight !  I was more interested in knowing about
the Scots Dragoon Guards. I see the old covered up stencil lettering on the
door but have never seen a picture of a British Rover in service with
lettering other than a Red Cross or UN version. Without the original military
numbers it is hard to trace this one.
I have the previous UK owners address and will fire off a letter seeing what
he knows.
Best,
Tony

ANTHONY D. MILLER & Co.
       ~ The Tintype Artist ~
     Ambrotypes & Ferrotypes
          34 Perryfalls Place
   Baltimore, Maryland 21236
                410-256-7442
      www.tintype-artist.com
- --part1_e8.1310c89e.2801bbee_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 01 06:40:52 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: Re LRO: crap crap crap >Thanks for the info. Makes sense, I was thinking about it tonight as I was >working on the 34ich, and wondered how it fit. >Will call Pierce back on Monday and order the manifold. 32/36dvg's are >available from a local race shop at a great price. Be sure to check Pierce's price too. THe speed shop's carb will be off the shelf and probably jetted for a very different engine than your LR engine. Pierce, on the other hand has some staff tech people who know Webers very well. They can FAX you an engine spec sheet to fill out if you have a nonstock engine. It asks such things as cam specs, RPMs you plan to run, and compression ratio. Send it back and they should be able to send you a new carb already jetted for their best guess for your particular engine. Weber jets and tubes tend to be pricy so if you can get a new carb jetted correctly you will be well ahead of the game. My concern is that you might buy an off the shelf carb with generic jetting then either drive with the jetting off and try to make due or spend a bunch more money than you saved buying jets and tubes to dial the carb in to work correctly. Another thought. If you're going through all this you might want to have your distributer checked for wear then add a pertronix breakerless system if the distributer is up to snuff. Having spot on timing helps all this cam & carb stuff work better. And if you havn't done it, go up one diameter in exhaust tubing (maybe two) and add a low restriction muffler. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:11:33 -0700 From: Winn Bearden Subject: LRO: Series radiator questions Is there a difference in the 2.25 rad and the 2.6 rad (SIIA)? I took one of my 2.6 rads down to Steve Johnson's and compared it to a 2.25, but didn't see a difference. All the state-side parts dealers only show one rad, but LR Supermarket shows a different part no. for the 2.6. The reason that I am asking is that Steve Parker reccomends a larger rad for the Pug 2.5 turbo-diesel , but I want to stick with a standard looking rad. Also, a saw an ad in one of the LR mags (Martin Motors, I think) for a tropical climate 4 row rad. Any suggestions? Another question. The SII rad seems to be superior to the SIII as it has 5 rows that are offset to each other. the SIII rad only has three rows that are in line. Does the SII have more cooling power? So, should I try to R&R one of my SII 2.6 rads to use with the 2.5 TD, or purchase the tropical climate rad, or find a big crossflow rad that will fit in between the wings? I have plenty of room between the rad panel and the motor because it's got a 4cyl. in a 6 cyl. frame. Another option is that the SII rad has a thicker top tank than the bottom tank. If a could find a thicker core and bottom tank I could have more capacity and keep roughly the same dimensions. - -- Winn Bearden 19XX SIIa/SIII/RR 100" Hybrid P.O. Box 464 1967 NADA 109" SW (rolling chassis) Americus, GA 31709 1996 4.0 SE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 16:20:09 +0100 From: "John Bridgett" Subject: LRO: RE: Living forever >> Nobody lives for ever << Well I'm going to even if I die trying ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:06:21 +0100 From: Paul Subject: Re: LRO: LR dating In article <20010407.172545.-279705.28.roverbilly@juno.com>, William L Leacock wrote: > PS is it still a Land Rover? > Only if you still have the boxes with the "Land Rover Original Parts" logo on them. You don`t? Well, it`s not a Land-Rover then. Paul Lonsdale Owner of B 895 OJT. A vehicle that was a Series III SWB. Until H.M. Coastguard fitted worklights, Dexion racking and a Fairy CG Winch, and I fitted Parabolic springs! And it is called "Dougal". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:06:22 +0100 From: Paul Subject: Re: LRO: 30 years into the future In article <200104071439.f37EduE11732@works.team.net>, Brian Willoughby wrote: > the Royal Army > Just "The Army". We have a Royal Navy, a Royal Air Force, Her Majesty`s Coastguard & Her Majesty`s Customs & Excise. But the Army is just that. The Army. Dunno why though... Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:38:34 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Power On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Robert Ries wrote: :"Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:36:46 -1000 :From: "Peter Ogilvie" :Subject: Re: LRO: re: power : : :In the 'what doesn't kill you makes you stronger' vein, hear that those :that haven't died of the immediate and radiation caused secondary :effects of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki are living :longer and healthier lives than their non exposed counter parts. Looks :like a little radiation may be a good thing. Anybody want to volunteer :to find out what 'little' is??" Even if this is true, is it controlled for unexpected side-effects like they're more studied than the general population, and so see more doctors? : : : : : :Read "Know Nukes" by James Hogan in his collection "Minds, Machines :and Evolution". By the way, the glass bricks/desert storage idea was :cribbed from Spyder Robinson/R.A. Heinlein/Larry Niven or one of their :ilk. Apologies for non-attribution.. mea culpa! (If you have to ask :who these people are, you really need to look outside your own head.) It's also unworkable. Storage of nuclear waste needs to be safe for longer than one can expect people to be able to read the signs. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:30:13 -0700 From: "Bruce Powell" Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #319: Weber carb warming Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 08:08:35 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Webber Carb question. Sure, why not? you use to warm your toes. John and Muddy christian147@juno.com wrote: > > Coolant to prevent carb icing? > > Chris hall I own a custom built Sand rail that is Turbocharged and had a problem with the turbo and intake body(between carb and turbo) iceing up. what i did to resolve the problem was to wrap tubing around the exhaust side of the turbo then over to the air side of the turbo that was iceing up then out to a high quality fuel pump out of the pump to a small oil type cooler then to the hot side of the turbo. In return I have the hot coolant from the exhaust side warming up the frosted up air side then going to the pump and out to a cooler and around and around it goes. Have been useing it that way for 1 1/2 years now...going to port injection now for better fuel management. And all this on a VW motor Hope it gives you some ideas Bruce Powell 1996 Range Rover 4.0SE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 14:50:01 -0400 From: "Lee Jones" Subject: RE: LRO: Power Not unworkable at all - the die off in the far future will warn those others that live away from the area! Maybe they could leave the skeletons nearby or on the perimeter.... Lee :Read "Know Nukes" by James Hogan in his collection "Minds, Machines :and Evolution". By the way, the glass bricks/desert storage idea was :cribbed from Spyder Robinson/R.A. Heinlein/Larry Niven or one of their :ilk. Apologies for non-attribution.. mea culpa! (If you have to ask :who these people are, you really need to look outside your own head.) It's also unworkable. Storage of nuclear waste needs to be safe for longer than one can expect people to be able to read the signs. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 09:27:48 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: RE: LRO: Power If you assume that we will be become illiterate in the future. That must be the eco freak assumption as they would have us either disappear completely or assume a hunting and gathering, stone age level of society. Oops, guess we would have to make that gathering only as we wouldn't want to offend the sensibilities of the PETA people by actually hunting animals. In reality, A storage sight would be designated, signed etc. in the current lingua franca. Should a new or different language or logo come into vogue, the warnings would undoubtedly be changed to reflect the new current language. Of course those that either couldn't read or understand the warnings and/or those who chose to ignore the warnings could be left as an additional reminder that the area isn't such a good place to set up new digs. Actually, the plan is to bury the waste in deep tunnels that would be very secure to penetration and not dangerous to anyone who didn't actively attempt to get an overdose of radiation. You wouldn't be able to accidentally walk up to the radiating material. The only reason that long term storage hasn't been under taken is NIMBY. The same reason that California doesn't have adequate electrical generation capacity from whatever power source. Has nothing to do with ability to create just the peoples ability to accept the solution. Aloha Peter >From: "Lee Jones" >Not unworkable at all - the die off in the far future will warn those >others >that live away from the area! Maybe they could leave the skeletons nearby >or >on the perimeter.... > >Lee >It's also unworkable. Storage of nuclear waste needs to be safe for longer >than one can expect people to be able to read the signs. > >-- >dscheidt@tumbolia.com >Bipedalism is only a fad. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:34 +0100 (BST) From: doghouse@cix.compulink.co.uk (Michael Dyer) Subject: Re: UK-LRO: Living forever In-Reply-To: <20010408121229.17236.qmail@web9208.mail.yahoo.com> >>>I bloody well plan to, mate!! See you at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe!!<<<<< ROFL! Will do, so long as its the veggie non-smoking section Regards :-) Mick Dyer (doghouse@cix) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:06:11 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: LRO: Re: HiLift Jack Accessories. Have become the proud owner of a high lift jack and now have to figure how to store it and use it. To use it as a winch, is there an adaptor so you can keep tension on the line while you reposition the lift part to keep pulling continuously. I'm aware of http://www.rescue42.com/off-road.htm. Their device looks like it allows the dead end to be hooked up to a chain or whatever around a tree. I don't how you can keep tension on the moving side, however. Somewhere I seem to remember seeing an attachment that allowed you to snub a chain up and hold the tension. Hope the above makes sense. Am up in the air as to where to mount the jack. My feeble mind has come up with four possibilities: 1. Toss it in the back and let it bounce around. 2. Bracket it to the front bumper. 3. Vertiacally hanging in the rear 4. Bracket it in the bed of the truck. Vertically in the rear seems good but it will either be on a 109 standard or 88 with a full soft top. The rear mounting leaves me a little nervous especially if I remove the top and bows which I will do on occasion. It seems that even with the tilt in place that the jack upper end could get hooked on something and tear the rear out of the truck as well as bending the jack. Mounting on the front bumper doesn't seem like a good idea given my propensity for using the truck as a D-9. If I decide to go this route, what available mounts are there out there. Bracketing in the back is the safest place to mount it but it will restrict storage in the back. Not such a big deal on the 109 but is a factor in the 88. What mount would work best if I decide to go that route?? Somehow I remember someone posting a blow molded case for the HiLift. Can that case be bolted in place in the back and where can I find the case?? Does someone make a cover for the jack when it is mounted on brackets?? The bag that I've seen doesn't seem to have pockets for the clamps to fit through >From: "Kirk Hillman" >Reply-To: lro@works.team.net >To: >Subject: LRO: Re: RE: RE: Engine Balancing >Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:19:09 -0600 > >Peter, > What is the URL for ACR? I have looked everywhere from magazine ads >to >internet searches, nothing is helping. What can you tell me? > >Kirk > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 16:23:06 EDT From: Zaxcoinc@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Re: HiLift Jack Accessories. - --part1_c0.1264a25d.280222aa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/01 1:11:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, konacoffee2@hotmail.com writes: > Does someone make a cover for the jack when it is mounted on brackets?? The > bag that I've seen doesn't seem to have pockets for the clamps to fit > through > > > Every one knows or should, that the appropriate cover for a hi-lift jack is a greasy bit of burlap. Extra points for reading the seed company through the grease. Even more extra points for seed companies that have been out of business for more than ten years. The bracket that's best is to grind flats on two opposing sides of a large bolt, such that the bolt will fit through the holes in the rail. A few washers, and nuts and you can arrange the bolts penetrating some flat surface (bumper, or bed, or body). If you then set up added nuts and washers, you can arrange things such that the jack is supported above the flat surface, and bolted down by another set of nuts and washers to limit the rattle. If you add a 1/4" hole to the end of one of the bolts, you can add a lock. I'd say to add one small enough to break off when you're on the trail and forgot your key. That makes it easier to find your key later on the dash tray. Clear? Zack - --part1_c0.1264a25d.280222aa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/8/01 1:11:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
konacoffee2@hotmail.com writes:


Does someone make a cover for the jack when it is mounted on brackets??  The
bag that I've seen doesn't seem to have pockets for the clamps to fit
through




Every one knows or should, that the appropriate cover for a hi-lift jack is a
greasy bit of burlap. Extra points for reading the seed company through the
grease. Even more extra points for seed companies that have been out of
business for more than ten years.

The bracket that's best is to grind flats on two opposing sides of a large
bolt, such that the bolt will fit through the holes in the rail. A few
washers, and nuts and you can arrange the bolts penetrating some flat surface
(bumper, or bed, or body). If you then set up added nuts and washers, you can
arrange things such that the jack is supported above the flat surface, and
bolted down by another set of nuts and washers to limit the rattle. If you
add a 1/4" hole to the end of one of the bolts, you can add a lock. I'd say
to add one small enough to break off when you're on the trail and forgot your
key. That makes it easier to find your key later on the dash tray.

Clear?
Zack - --part1_c0.1264a25d.280222aa_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 20:08:06 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Power What if the Pyramids had been ancient nuclear burial sites. It a couple of hundred years to understand the writing. The tomb raiders didn't heed any warning that might have been there. Those strucrures were as safe from break in as their technology could make it. As soon as any thing get buried or locked away the rumour starts thatthere must be a great treasure there. To say that the contents would be well documented does no good as there are today those who deny well documented history of only 60 years ago. It's not a solution it is burial of a problem and the soon that the proneculear lobby gets out of denial the better. John Peter Ogilvie wrote: > > If you assume that we will be become illiterate in the future. That must be > the eco freak assumption as they would have us either disappear completely > or assume a hunting and gathering, stone age level of society. Oops, guess > we would have to make that gathering only as we wouldn't want to offend the > sensibilities of the PETA people by actually hunting animals. > > In reality, A storage sight would be designated, signed etc. in the current > lingua franca. Should a new or different language or logo come into vogue, > the warnings would undoubtedly be changed to reflect the new current > language. Of course those that either couldn't read or understand the > warnings and/or those who chose to ignore the warnings could be left as an > additional reminder that the area isn't such a good place to set up new > digs. > > Actually, the plan is to bury the waste in deep tunnels that would be very > secure to penetration and not dangerous to anyone who didn't actively > attempt to get an overdose of radiation. You wouldn't be able to > accidentally walk up to the radiating material. > > The only reason that long term storage hasn't been under taken is NIMBY. > The same reason that California doesn't have adequate electrical generation > capacity from whatever power source. Has nothing to do with ability to > create just the peoples ability to accept the solution. > > Aloha > Peter > > >From: "Lee Jones" > > >Not unworkable at all - the die off in the far future will warn those > >others > >that live away from the area! Maybe they could leave the skeletons nearby > >or > >on the perimeter.... > > > >Lee > > >It's also unworkable. Storage of nuclear waste needs to be safe for longer > >than one can expect people to be able to read the signs. > > > >-- > >dscheidt@tumbolia.com > >Bipedalism is only a fad. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 01 16:12:31 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Re: HiLift Jack Accessories. >> Does someone make a cover for the jack when it is mounted on brackets?? The >> bag that I've seen doesn't seem to have pockets for the clamps to fit >> through >Every one knows or should, that the appropriate cover for a hi-lift jack >is a greasy bit of burlap. Having spent too much time with WD40 and a hammer trying to get a dirty slightly rusty hi-lift to work I disagree. A cover that keeps the mud from being kicked up into the jack, the rain from soaking the jack and starting rust is OK in my book. I would just as soon remove a good quality cover and start jacking then fighting the pins for 10 or 20 minutes trying to get them to walk up & down the post. I use the commercial hi-lift cover. I also made a hole in the side of the cover for my mounting pin. For a mounting pin I use a large grade 2 bolt with the top and bottom filed down. It is on a bracket make from a galvanized joist hanger. The base of the jack sits in the pocket of my rear militaty bumperette. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 17:16:07 -0600 From: "Todd Ondick" Subject: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) Terriann's post got me thinking about my wobbly distrubuter shaft. It isn't too bad yet, but I'd like to get it fixed sometime in, say, the next 10 to 15 years. Does anyone know of an outfit that cures shaft wobble? Um, I mean, re-bushes dist. shafts? regards, - -Todd _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 01 16:34:17 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) >Terriann's post got me thinking about my wobbly distrubuter shaft. It isn't >too bad yet, but I'd like to get it fixed sometime in, say, the next 10 to >15 years. Does anyone know of an outfit that cures shaft wobble? Um, I >mean, re-bushes dist. shafts? Most any automotive electric shop can rebush distributors. On ther other hand BP has been selling brand new Lucas distributors for around $100 (I bought one about 3 years ago so the pirce may have changed). It might actually come out cheaper to purchase a new distributor than to pay someone to go through your old one plus the parts. If your distributor shaft wobbles you are not getting rated performance out of your engine. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 19:31:57 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Dizzy repair (was crap, crap, crap) On Sun, 8 Apr 2001, Todd Ondick wrote: :Terriann's post got me thinking about my wobbly distrubuter shaft. It isn't :too bad yet, but I'd like to get it fixed sometime in, say, the next 10 to :15 years. Does anyone know of an outfit that cures shaft wobble? Um, I :mean, re-bushes dist. shafts? :regards, A good machine shop should be able to replace the bushes. Shockingly, you can get a rebuilt one from AutoZone, for $65 or so. They won't have one for a Land-Rover but one for an MGB will work. The advance curves are different, but that shouldn't matter. I ran a dizzy out of an MG and didn't have a problem. david - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #320 **********************************************