From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu Apr 5 14:56:38 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f35IubN21604 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:56:37 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f35HqD913734 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f35HqD813731 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06633 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f35GwsS17887 for lro-digest-gone; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:58:54 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:58:54 -0400 Message-Id: <200104051658.f35GwsS17887@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #313 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, April 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 313 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:30:46 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: Weber 34 ICH Well, the 32 ICH kit was pretty easy to get so I ordered one while I was waiting for the 32/34dmtl kit and some other parts to arrive. Went ahead and rebuilt the carb today. Have a dip tank, so soaked the striped parts over night. Blew out all the passages with compressed air. Set the float level. Replaced all the parts. Installed on vehicle. Thing still runs like crap. Have to have the idle screw turned in about 5-6 turns, so far thet the butterfly is into the transition area. It also has a terrible hesitation on rapid aceleration. From an idle if I go straight to full throttle, it stalls. Have double checked all the manifold bolts. Checked for vacuum leaks with carb clean. Nothing. When looking at the bottom flange, manifold mounting area of the carb, there are 3 holes in the base. Two of these holes are plugged with lead balls, one is not. The gasket isn't notched for this 'port'. There is also a 4th port that is near the shoulder, but more in the throat of the venturi. This leads to the external vacuum port for the dizzy. So anyone have a 32ich laying about? I can snap a few pics and send to you to show what I am talking about. Should all 3 of the holes be filled, or should I notch the gasket? I am thinking of plugging the feed to the brake booster, and plugging the vacume advance port and seeing if there is any difference. I am so stumped with this one. 1970 Ser IIa 2.25 petrol 8:1 head, stock dizzy and ignition. Plugs are new. Points, valve and timing are spot on. Compression is 138-145psi. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 2001 00:00:55 -0700 From: Bryan Hoult Subject: Re: LRO: Weber 34 ICH Pete, That 3rd port on the bottom of my 34ICH is blocked by the gasket as well. I just rebuilt mine too, so I remember thinking "hmmm" as I reassembled it. Mine chokes and sputters quite a bit off throttle, and I am pulling my hair out over what's wrong. I think I may have a vacuum leak, but I haven't been able to find it. Mine will back fire and miss when I'm going down hill off throttle. If I rev it a bit as I come off the gas, it seems to behave a bit better. Best of luck. Bryan On Wed, 04 April 2001, "Hope Peter" wrote: > > Well, the 32 ICH kit was pretty easy to get so I ordered one while I was > waiting for the 32/34dmtl kit and some other parts to arrive. > Went ahead and rebuilt the carb today. Have a dip tank, so soaked the > striped parts over night. Blew out all the passages with compressed air. > Set the float level. Replaced all the parts. Installed on vehicle. > Thing still runs like crap. Have to have the idle screw turned in about 5-6 > turns, so far thet the butterfly is into the transition area. It also has a > terrible hesitation on rapid aceleration. From an idle if I go straight to > full throttle, it stalls. > Have double checked all the manifold bolts. Checked for vacuum leaks with > carb clean. Nothing. > When looking at the bottom flange, manifold mounting area of the carb, there > are 3 holes in the base. Two of these holes are plugged with lead balls, one > is not. The gasket isn't notched for this 'port'. There is also a 4th port > that is near the shoulder, but more in the throat of the venturi. This > leads to the external vacuum port for the dizzy. > So anyone have a 32ich laying about? I can snap a few pics and send to you > to show what I am talking about. > Should all 3 of the holes be filled, or should I notch the gasket? > I am thinking of plugging the feed to the brake booster, and plugging the > vacume advance port and seeing if there is any difference. > I am so stumped with this one. > 1970 Ser IIa 2.25 petrol 8:1 head, stock dizzy and ignition. Plugs are new. > Points, valve and timing are spot on. Compression is 138-145psi. ________________________________________________ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 00:24:09 -0700 From: Ben Mitchell Subject: LRO: RE: RE: Wasted youth > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lro@works.team.net [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On > Behalf Of Faure, Marin > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:12 PM > To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' > Subject: LRO: RE: Wasted youth > By the way, the "they don't make 'em like they used to" > statement applies as much to people as it does to vehicles..... Marin, if you're any indication of how they used to make them, I'd consider this an encouraging sign. Happy whittling, - -Ben Mitchell '70 SIIA 88" '94 D90 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:29:00 +0100 From: "Steve Mace" Subject: Re: LRO: Kelly's Heroes : Re: LRs in WWII movies and it was on the box about two nights ago... Good entertainment value. On 4 Apr 2001, at 12:57, Paul Quin wrote: > Makes me think of the scene from "Kelly's Heroes" where Donald Sutherland's > driver trades his Sherman for his dream Tiger. He was very shocked to find > out just how bad the conditions were inside the Tiger. At least that movie > (Starring Clint Eastwood among many others - great movie...) made an attempt > having the tanks look like Tigers. I think that they were actually plywood > mock-ups on some other tank chassis as the turrets were just to big compared > the rest of the hull... Steve 1972 SIII LtWt Green 1993 D90 Red - ------------------------------------- Name: Dr Steve Mace E-mail: steve@solwise.co.uk www: http://www.solwise.co.uk Tel: 0845 458 4558 (local rate) Fax: 0845 458 4559 Intl. Fax. +44 1482 621877 - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:43:23 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: 87RR Brake System If the brake are sticking on as well not being effective the caliper pistons are stuck. John and Muddy Lori Sickley wrote: > > Hoping this isn't too off topic : ) > > 87 RR > Girling brake master cylinder. The type with the sending unit in the cap. > Low level switch. > It has normal brake pressure only to front when applied. > > The past repairs: > New caliper rubber and pistons three years ago with new rotors. All OEM. > No obvious problems with calipers then or now, however, this problem > existed some time prior to these repairs. Neighbor is betting on calipers.... > > The symptoms: > Not enough pressure to both rear brakes. > Brake pads are not removing from contact with the rotors. > Doesn't smell too good either : ) > > The questions: > Air in system is the obvious answer however the system has been bled > numerous times with no resolve. > Anything else that could diminish the braking capacity to the rear wheels > besides the in line pressure reducing valve that controls the rear brake > pressure or the MC? > > Suggestions for testing these two components? > Parts source? > > It just passed Pennsylvania inspection with flying colors yet the daily 88" > didn't for two rotted of the three tub supports.....go figure. > > Thanks! > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:51:53 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Kelly's Heroes : Re: LRs in WWII movies And the funny thing is that Moriarty was complaining about the fuel system...the one weak link in an otherwise good design. aj"Somebody did a bit of research..."r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:03:19 +0100 From: Ian Stuart Subject: Re: LRO: RE: RE: Engine Balancing On Wednesday 04 April 2001 7:28 pm, you wrote: > What I am thinking of doing is to go with the ACR manufactured > upper end (head, cam)and a 2bbl carb and intake. From ACR's web > site this can result in 20-25 extra hp and 30 lbs torque. > I have some noise in the lower end, and oil pressure is 35, when > hot and driving 30mph down the road....drops down to 32ish at idle. > Rear main is leaking (yes I should have just gone and swapped it > out when the tranny was rebuilt). So am going to do a total > rebuild. Just wonder if getting the thing balanced would be a good > idea given the increase in power and to improve longevity. It certainly will! Roland (the guy from Automotive) does this to all his own engines.. (He also runs a SII with Parabolic and all the engine tweeks going :) - -- --==**==-- Ian Stuart - EdINA, DataLibrary, University computing services. - --------------------------------- Truth is what you believe it to be. I cannot force my facts on you, only make you believe my beliefs. - --------------------------------- http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:00:30 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: LRO: Re: Peter's accolade: Awwwww....shucks...{blush} Kudos, peter - glad you got the old boy up and running. You really need to come up and say hello before you move off to Northern California (too close to Marin!). 8*) Alan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:01:35 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: RE: RE: RE: What's a Land Rover (was Parts availability vs. bulletproofing) Funny, but if I try and go from 1 to 2 with out double clutching I get a horrendous grinding. Pete Agreed - unless you shift like a tree sloth double-clutching is not an option..... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:02:41 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Dynamat Re: Dynamat on the fuel line: PLEASE tell me you were joking.....8*) Seriously, get some ally-backed insulation and use that - Dynamat's too damn expensive! ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:04:34 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Coil and Flasher it preforms dwell compensation. How is it managing that? Vacuum attachment, or a curve off RPM? ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:10:50 +0100 From: Ian Stuart Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Youth On Thursday 05 April 2001 6:18 am, you wrote: > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:39:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Peter Halt > Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #310 > > >Marin, no > > disrespect intended, as you seem like an articulate > and thoughtful guy. But where do you live and hang out that you > meet all these moronic young people? > > Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, Austin, Dallas, > London, Birmingham, Manchester, Brussels, Paris, Frankfurt, > Stuttgart, Leipzig, Oslo, Dubai, Tokyo, Taipei, Kuala Lumpur, > Auckland, Santiago, Palma de Mallorca, Malta, Istanbul, Vienna, > Zurich, Reunion Island, Spokane, Honolulu, Orlando, Miami, St. > Louis, Atlanta, Washington DC, Hong Kong. Those are some of the > bigger places.... You notice none of these are in Scotland ;) - -- --==**==-- Ian Stuart - EdINA, DataLibrary, University computing services. (somewhere between apathetic young waster and lecherous old man) ((..ish)) - --------------------------------- Truth is what you believe it to be. I cannot force my facts on you, only make you believe my beliefs. - --------------------------------- http://lucas.ucs.ed.ac.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:27:45 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Non rover question, but still about British Iron... Clinton, I've seen this more than once. If I remember correctly (and I should - I owned a 68 Healey Sprite) that bugger used the 45D4. Dump the electronic POS and fit it with a general replacement 45D4. Go back to points as a test, then put in a Pertronix and never look back. Works fine, lasts a long time. If you want to bail him out, I believe a 25D4 from a 60s Rover would fit just as well...again, you'll need to wire it to the coil a la points rather than the electronic gimcrackery. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:41:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Halt Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #312 You are right, Marin, You're opinion doesn't matter a bit, except for the enormous amount of bandwidth your absurd novellas take up when you get on your soapbox. And what good does it do to see all these places if you travel with your eyes closed? I won't even get started with your mind. By the way, I am older than my Rover. I just happen to have an open mind. I like young people, I like old people. In some strange way, I am even starting to like you. Regards, Peter >Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, Austin, >Dallas, London, >Birmingham, Manchester, Brussels, Paris, Frankfurt, >Stuttgart, Leipzig, >Oslo, Dubai, Tokyo, Taipei, Kuala Lumpur, Auckland, >Santiago, Palma >de Mallorca, Malta, Istanbul, Vienna, Zurich, Reunion >Island, Spokane, >Honolulu, Orlando, Miami, St. Louis, Atlanta, >Washington DC, Hong Kong. >Those are some of the bigger places.... >___________________________ >C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:49:44 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: LRO: Clinton's Midget Clinton, i just went and had a look at the Moss Motors catalogue for MG Midgets. Other than their denial that new Lucas units exist (oh, yes, go buy a Mallory at 4X the price! and 5 X the replacement parts price!) the illustrations were most illuminating. The 1500CC Midget did indeed use a 45D4 from what I can see here - essentially late IIa production and non-US Series III (USA used the emissions horrid lump....). A 45D4 conventional should literally plug and play, as would a 25D4 if you have one laying around you want to lend him. The electronic jobby he has is just a variant on the 45D4 body - scrap otherwise but uses the same mountings. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:05:59 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Re: Re: Youth > I am saddened to see you met moronic people in my neck of the woods > Marin..... > > Andrew MacGowan (25) > Auckland > New Zealand > It was once read that NZ was deporting all those with an IQ lower than 50 to Oz. The effect would be to raise the average IQ of both countries. (Duck, hide, enter witness protection program) This note written on behalf of Marin I don't know where the information came from :-{) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:43:31 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: LRO: Re: Marin;' off his meds..... Y'know, considering of late we have heard from Marin: 1) Land Rovers are horrid - Toyotas are better (age for age - of course not? 10 years newer are better....) 2) Young folks are twits - bar none (don't let my daughter hear you say that...you'll regret it). 3) The only proper Land-Rover is one with NO modifications (what about tune-ups?) and the like. If all of this is so horrid why do you hang about with us? Or is it so we can share in your "wisdom"? You remind me a lot of my Dad - and that is not a compliment. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:44:23 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: The Quest for Verisimilitude A couple of Christmases ago me and some neighbours finished the mail run one day while my wife sobered our postwoman up! Best Cheers Frank Oh, please do elaborate on this Frank - sounds like a great story. ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:52:45 EDT From: NADdMD@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Youth - --part1_97.13903669.27fdd2ad_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/5/01 1:31:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com writes: > Don't defend youth like it matters. When you grow > up, you'll learn that in the larger scope of things, nothing > really matters much, particularly other peoples' opinions, > including mine. > Sounds a bit fatalistic. Marin, you might find a little relief from a mild antidepressant. Nate - --part1_97.13903669.27fdd2ad_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 4/5/01 1:31:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com writes:


Don't defend youth like it matters.  When you grow
up, you'll learn that in the larger scope of things, nothing
really matters much, particularly other peoples' opinions,
including mine.


Sounds a bit fatalistic.  Marin, you might find a little relief from a mild
antidepressant.

Nate - --part1_97.13903669.27fdd2ad_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:55:23 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Dynamat Hmm, you're right, AJ. That, of course, would make my Land-Rover NOT a Land-Rover;> BTW, I wrapped the fuel line (extra long, routed near the bulkhead) in tinfoil last night. The Dynamat is going on the underside of the bonnett when I return from CampRover East!! Rgds, RW >>> Alan_Richer@Lotus.com 04/05/01 08:02AM >>> Re: Dynamat on the fuel line: PLEASE tell me you were joking.....8*) Seriously, get some ally-backed insulation and use that - Dynamat's too damn expensive! ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:17:06 -0400 From: "Lee Jones" Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Youth This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C0BDB9.91216C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Marin! One thing we have to remember - all these kids one day will be your age - or worse, mine! Lee -----Original Message----- From: owner-lro@works.team.net [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On Behalf Of NADdMD@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:53 AM To: lro@works.team.net Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Youth In a message dated 4/5/01 1:31:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com writes: Don't defend youth like it matters. When you grow up, you'll learn that in the larger scope of things, nothing really matters much, particularly other peoples' opinions, including mine. Sounds a bit fatalistic. Marin, you might find a little relief from a mild antidepressant. Nate - ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C0BDB9.91216C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey=20 Marin!
 
One=20 thing we have to remember - all these kids one day will be your age - or = worse,=20 mine!
 

Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-lro@works.team.net=20 [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On Behalf Of=20 NADdMD@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:53=20 AM
To: lro@works.team.net
Subject: Re: LRO: Re:=20 Youth

In a message=20 dated 4/5/01 1:31:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, =
Marin.Faure@PSS.Boeing.com=20 writes:


Don't defend youth like it matters.  When you grow =
up,=20 you'll learn that in the larger scope of things, nothing
really = matters=20 much, particularly other peoples' opinions,
including mine.=20


Sounds a bit fatalistic.  Marin, you = might find=20 a little relief from a mild
antidepressant.

Nate=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C0BDB9.91216C20-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:22:13 EDT From: Gbrovers@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.) In a message dated 4/5/01 12:38:29 AM, konacoffee2@hotmail.com writes: << Global warming is not a fact. There has been a very slight increase in temperature but its way too soon to tell if that is a normal variation in the temperature of the earth or an actual long term trend. >> Peter Global warming is not a proven fact but it is an undisputable fact that the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere has dramaticly risen since the start of the industrial revolution and the trend is accelerating. To claim to know exactly what effect this is going to have on the environment i.e. global warming vs a new ice age is intellectualy arrogant but on the other hand to claim it is not going to have any effect is idiotic and indefensible. The problem with waiting to see what the net result is going to be is that by the time we know for sure, it may be too late to do much. Unlike Marin, who doesn't have any children, and doesn't seem to give a flying f___ what happens after he is gone, I have 3, ages 2 thru 18 and I do care. Bill GBR 47 and an uncynical old fart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:23:38 EDT From: Gbrovers@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: RE: RE: Wasted youth In a message dated 4/5/01 1:27:03 AM, ben@mitchellfamily.com writes: << Marin, if you're any indication of how they used to make them, I'd consider this an encouraging sign. >> Ben I'll second that Bill GBR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:02:40 -0400 From: "Robert A. Virzi" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth - Global warming Bill, Peter, and others- An interesting article on global warming, truth or fiction, can be found at http://www.latimes.com/news/science/science/20010401/t000027891.html Light reading, but a bit long. Covers such interesting phenomena like the Ross ice shelf, ice ages, and temp fluctuation on geologic time scales. Worth a read if you're planning to contribute to this thread. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:14:42 +0200 From: Luca Ingianni Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Youth - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am Donnerstag, 5. April 2001 07:18 schrieben Sie: > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:39:36 -0700 (PDT) > From: Peter Halt > Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #310 > > >Marin, no > > disrespect intended, as you seem like an articulate > and thoughtful guy. But where do you live and hang out that you meet > all these moronic young people? > > Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, Austin, Dallas, London, > Birmingham, Manchester, Brussels, Paris, Frankfurt, Stuttgart, Leipzig, > Oslo, Dubai, Tokyo, Taipei, Kuala Lumpur, Auckland, Santiago, Palma > de Mallorca, Malta, Istanbul, Vienna, Zurich, Reunion Island, Spokane, > Honolulu, Orlando, Miami, St. Louis, Atlanta, Washington DC, Hong Kong. > Those are some of the bigger places.... You know, Marin, this reminds me of this joke where a guy drives his car on the highway and hears a traffic announcment on the radio "drivers beware there is a ghost driver on highway so-and-so" and he goes "what do they mean, ONE? there are HUNDREDS!" have fun, Luca - - -- There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrMi+YACgkQ7uxRR5vRvyvWvwCfYe5nL7SOcc7t3wR+Ovnm6NKi /2EAn1UyBc6KYJFZSgt090mGeWxWcXL3 =3kas - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:43:17 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: LRO: Ghost Driver? At 17:14 05/04/01 +0200, Luca Ingianni, wrote > "drivers beware there is a ghost driver on highway so-and-so" This sounds intriguing --- what is a "ghost driver" Rick Grant 1959 Series II "88" VORIZO Rick Grant Communications Media and Crisis Management Calgary Ottawa www.rickgrant.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:50:31 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Rovers in WWII Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:35:35 -0600 From: Rick Grant Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Rovers in WWII At 19:53 04/04/01 -0700, Faure, Marin, wrote >>Len Deighton is another author who's done >a superb job >of maintaining an excellent style (in my opinion). >I agree completely about "Bomber" but in my opinion I would have to say that his best book, apart from the spy series stuff which is really quite engaging, has to be "Goodbye Mickey Mouse" Thanks for the recommendation. I haven't read Goodbye Mickey Mouse, as for some reason when I leafed through it quickly at a bookstore (not a good way to judge a book), it didn't appear to be what I thought it was going to be. I'll give it another try. _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:55:49 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Wasted youth Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:53:10 +1200 From: "Macka" Subject: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.) >The below statement from Marin is quite staggering, down here in New Zealand we have learnt of the US President's new stance on the Kyoto agreement....surely this is a view held by the President and his advisors? Surely not all Americans hold a view similar to Marin's which is arrogant and selfish in the extreme. You take life WAY too seriously.... ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:05:12 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth - Global warming A slighly different perspective...... We all think that the atmosphere is hugely thick and will absorb all we dump into it. The sky is the limit etc. Also we think that we have so much control over what we do. I fly planes as Marin does, and since I have been flying I have more of a feeling of how fragile the earth is and how little control we have over it if any. The average commercial airport runway is about 10,000 feet long, imagine how short one is as you drive past it. If that were upended vertically, it would reach higher than where humans can comfortably live. Now think of the 3000 miles across just the USA for example!(15,600,000 feet) The atmosphere is such a thin veneer around us. While on the subject of making things vertical, remember the Kursk, the Russian Submarine that sank? If that sub were upended where it lay 200 feet of it would have been above water! It was 500 feet long and was in 300 feet of water and we had no influance or control over what happened to it (apart from the political problems). The ocean is 20,000 feet deep in places. We are just on borrowed time here, we have had a huge influence on a small planet in a cosmic blink of the eye. We are damaging it, and we have to be careful. I am not an Eco-freak, but I did study Rural Resources and their Management for 4 years in England. I also fly 30 year old aircraft, drive Landrovers, hunt, shoot, and fish all of which are considered by some as not environmentally friendly. I am continually surprised by the surprise with which the media handles natural disasters, as if to say "the humans are here, no more volcanoes, avalanches, earthquakes, landslides, droughts, floods, fires or meteorites please" We could be gone in a moment if an asteroid hit us. The dinosaurs and their predecessors were here for 400,000,000 years and never got beyond being big dumb lizards. We have been (arguably) "civilized" for about 10,000 years (150 in the USA;-)) and have managed to overpopulate and damage the planet almost irreversibly in that time. We do change things and we have to be careful. Having just read this through, I notice that it only mentions "Landrovers" once! Being alarmed at that, I will mention that I spent until 10pm last night gleefully putting the slave cylinders on my SIIa after getting a large package from England full of small peices of Landrover. Tonight is the night for the gynocological wrestling of the clutch slave cylinder into its unorthodox position on the side of my unenvironmentally sound, non-Landrover Chevy 327 V8. Thanks for getting this far! Mark Pilkington "Robert A. Virzi" wrote: > Bill, Peter, and others- > An interesting article on global warming, truth or fiction, can be found at > > http://www.latimes.com/news/science/science/20010401/t000027891.html > > Light reading, but a bit long. Covers such interesting phenomena > like the Ross ice shelf, ice ages, and temp fluctuation on geologic > time scales. Worth a read if you're planning to contribute to this > thread. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 01 08:58:04 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Real Rovers (was Parts availability....) > An interesting dilemma arises when considering older >Series Land Rovers that have been fitted with Rover > V-8s. Are they Land Rovers? Given that Land Rover >never fitted (to my knowledge) the V-8 to Series >vehicles until close to the end of Series production, > I would say, no, The Land Rover factory evidently started dropping V8s into series rigs for testing purposes around '66 or '67. I think the test vehicle I photographed was a '66. The V8 went into production in series rigs starting '74 or '75 about 8 years before the end of series production. >Land Rover, I would never consider buying a re-engined > version unless the price was virtually giveaway This is of course your option. An interesting side note: Every Land Rover with a Timm Cooper engine conversion that I have seen go up for sale has sold for well above the going price for a bone stock Land Rover. On an average they seem to be going for about half again more than the price of a bone stock stock Land ROver. The highest I have noticed was about twice the top going rate for that year/model bone stock Land Rover. But that was a very well designed off road rig in very good condition. Of course since I plan never to sell mine, resale doesn't mean all that much to me except for insurance purposes. >TeriAnn's hybrid is something she had built to her specifications The engine, gearbox and steering box conversion I had done, the rest of it is pretty much all my own labour. > using a Land Rover as a starting point. Kind of like the > show everyone on this list seems to like so much, Junkyard >Wars. Almost but not quite. I spent almost two years designing how I wanted the rear interior to be and where to put things before I took wrench to the car. I spent almost a year looking at power plants and asking people about their experiences and running cost vs fuel savings numbers before settling on an engine. It is my understanding the junkyard wars participants need to knock out a design in just a few minutes. Also, the junkyard people could only get parts within their own junk yard. My car received many new genuine Land Rover parts from several years and models of Land Rover, both military and civilian. Other than a few camper bits (most of which came from a dead Land Rover Dormobile), the non Land Rover parts are just the engine, gearbox, steering box and radiator. All the rest of it, including the complete suspension, brake system, axle assemblies (opps there is an ARB diff and a Quaife Diff) and body are pure Land Rover. Ok now that I think of it some of the Smiths gauges are from an MGB. >I know TeriAnn doesn't agree with me, so never the twain will meet. Marin, it is a lot more fun not to agree with you. But I do agree that my Land ROver is a hybrid. The race car people had (have?) a way to label race vehicles that have a different power plant. They used the vehicle name followed by a slash followed by the engine make. I that spirit I have no problems with the phrase Land Rover/Ford hybrid. My problem is with the concept that just because I opted for a Ford power plant and not a Buick power plant, doesn't mean that all the other Land Rover parts just fell off my car and disappeared. If you count up all the bits and pieces, about 90% of them are still factory or after market Land Rover parts. The car is Land Rover and something more. It is not just a Ford or a Scout II. Don't deny my car's Land Roverness and I will not deny it's MG gauges, or Ford power plant, or Scout II steering box. It is indeed a Land Rover based hybrid and that means it is mostly Land Rover. All those 90% or so parts have not just fallen off and disappeared. If you can learn to say Land ROver hybrid or Land Rover/Ford we can both be happy. Just think of my car as a retro concept prototype for the next version of Land Rover Defender. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:22:24 -0700 From: Jeff Bieler Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth - Global warming We have been (arguably) "civilized" for about 10,000 years (150 in the USA;-)) => 150 years? You give us too much credit. Jeff Bieler Mark Pilkington wrote: > A slighly different perspective...... We all think that the atmosphere is > hugely thick and will absorb all we dump into it. The sky is the limit etc. > Also we think that we have so much control over what we do. I fly planes as > Marin does, and since I have been flying I have more of a feeling of how > fragile the earth is and how little control we have over it if any. The average > commercial airport runway is about 10,000 feet long, imagine how short one is > as you drive past it. If that were upended vertically, it would reach higher > than where humans can comfortably live. Now think of the 3000 miles across just > the USA for example!(15,600,000 feet) The atmosphere is such a thin veneer > around us. While on the subject of making things vertical, remember the Kursk, > the Russian Submarine that sank? If that sub were upended where it lay 200 > feet of it would have been above water! It was 500 feet long and was in 300 > feet of water and we had no influance or control over what happened to it > (apart from the political problems). The ocean is 20,000 feet deep in places. > We are just on borrowed time here, we have had a huge influence on a small > planet in a cosmic blink of the eye. We are damaging it, and we have to be > careful. I am not an Eco-freak, but I did study Rural Resources and their > Management for 4 years in England. I also fly 30 year old aircraft, drive > Landrovers, hunt, shoot, and fish all of which are considered by some as not > environmentally friendly. I am continually surprised by the surprise with which > the media handles natural disasters, as if to say "the humans are here, no more > volcanoes, avalanches, earthquakes, landslides, droughts, floods, fires or > meteorites please" We could be gone in a moment if an asteroid hit us. The > dinosaurs and their predecessors were here for 400,000,000 years and never got > beyond being big dumb lizards. We have been (arguably) "civilized" for about > 10,000 years (150 in the USA;-)) and have managed to overpopulate and damage > the planet almost irreversibly in that time. We do change things and we have to > be careful. > Having just read this through, I notice that it only mentions "Landrovers" > once! Being alarmed at that, I will mention that I spent until 10pm last night > gleefully putting the slave cylinders on my SIIa after getting a large package > from England full of small peices of Landrover. Tonight is the night for the > gynocological wrestling of the clutch slave cylinder into its unorthodox > position on the side of my unenvironmentally sound, non-Landrover Chevy 327 V8. > > Thanks for getting this far! > Mark Pilkington > > "Robert A. Virzi" wrote: > > > Bill, Peter, and others- > > An interesting article on global warming, truth or fiction, can be found at > > > > http://www.latimes.com/news/science/science/20010401/t000027891.html > > > > Light reading, but a bit long. Covers such interesting phenomena > > like the Ross ice shelf, ice ages, and temp fluctuation on geologic > > time scales. Worth a read if you're planning to contribute to this > > thread. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:58:39 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: Clinton's Midget On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: :Clinton, i just went and had a look at the Moss Motors catalogue for MG :Midgets. Other than their denial that new Lucas units exist (oh, yes, go :buy a Mallory at 4X the price! and 5 X the replacement parts price!) the :illustrations were most illuminating. : :The 1500CC Midget did indeed use a 45D4 from what I can see here - :essentially late IIa production and non-US Series III (USA used the :emissions horrid lump....). A 45D4 conventional should literally plug and :play, as would a 25D4 if you have one laying around you want to lend him. :The electronic jobby he has is just a variant on the 45D4 body - scrap :otherwise but uses the same mountings. I think you can convert the electronic 45d4 to points by replacing the baseplate, as well. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #313 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu Apr 5 17:15:44 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f35LFhN22344 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:15:43 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f35KBJH19441 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f35KBJ819438 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13931 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f35JEr720583 for lro-digest-gone; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:14:53 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:14:53 -0400 Message-Id: <200104051914.f35JEr720583@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #314 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, April 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 314 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:00:23 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Power (was wasted youth) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:35:13 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.) >The eco freaks have shut down the Nuclear power industry in the US. Interesting how the same people that rail against coal fired power plants also, violently oppose the only non polluting and virtually limitless power source that we have. This is a very good observation. Nuclear power is a technology, and like any other technology, if you design, use, and maintain it intelligently, it will work just fine. The French have been using nuclear power as their primary source of electricity for decades. I don't live there, so I'm certainly not aware of what goes on in that country on a day to day basis. But so far as I can tell, their nuclear power plants are humming along just fine, and they don't have a power shortage. But the French tend to take a more rational and logical view of things, anyway, where Americans get hysterical at the drop of a hat. The French developed trains that move people efficiently at almost 200 mph. We have.... Amtrak. The French have been more innovative in aviation than the US, although they have not capitalized on aviation as successfully (so far) as the US. There is no reason nuclear power cannot be as reliable and safe a generating method as coal, oil, or natural gas. But Americans have this "Oh my God, it's going to explode" hysteria over nuclear power, so the lights go out in California. It's interesting that most of the protesters against power plants, be they coal, gas, or nuclear, are young people. Or as the lawyer said in the movie My Brother Vinnie, "yutes." I wonder where these kids think the power to run their DVD players is going to come from when they grow up? The radical side of the environmental movement just succeeded in getting the Georgia Pacific pulp and paper plant in Bellingham, WA shut down. The mill, which has been in operation for decades, has also been hit with astronomical power costs as the result of insufficient generating capacity in this state, due in part to the successful blocking of new plants by the environmental movement. They tried to keep the plant going by renting 40 diesel generators, but the environmentalists got that stopped, too. So the plant closed last week, putting over 400 people out of work in a relatively small town. Looking at it in black and white, diesel generators do pollute. Power plants can pollute, too, if they aren't designed and managed properly. The mill, which had done a great deal over the last few years to clean up its operation, still polluted some. So the environmentalists can truthfully say they have successfully shut down a source of pollution. But what about the 400-plus people who are out of work? Every job at that mill supported seven jobs in the community (these are government statistics, not mine). So it's not just the mill workers that are losing their jobs, but waiters, bookstore owners, supermarket clerks, real estate agents, etc., etc., etc. It won't be long before one of the protesters complains because his or her favorite little restaurant has closed, or the auto parts store has closed, or the funky used bookstore went out of business. But they won't see the connection between those things and their all-or-nothing protest campaign. And THAT's my single biggest complaint about "youth." They don't have the experience or knowledge to see that everything is connected. In the past, it didn't matter so much because youth was over-ridden by more experienced reason. But now in our "minority rules" society, the one-sided yammerings of special-interest groups are given far too much say in matters that ultimately affect the lives of hundreds, if not thousands of people. I am very pro-environment. I care more about animals than I do about people, in large part because I can't think of any problem on this planet that has been caused by animals, but I can think of a lot of problems that have been caused by people. So people gotta go, at least a hell of a lot of them. But until that happens (and it will, although I have no idea how), there has to be a balance between what's good for the environment and what's necessary to continue our attempt at surviving, and one would hope, improving. But the kids refuse to see that, and it's clearly a waste of time to try to help them see it. So I don't hate "yutes." I just don't care about them anymore. I've got better things to do with my time. Tropical roofs DO work, metal grills ARE cooler looking, and drum winches ARE wussy. And ELECTRIC drum winches are simply disgusting. Life may be nothing but grey areas, but the rules about Land Rovers are black and white :-). ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:09:32 +0200 From: Luca Ingianni Subject: Re: LRO: Ghost Driver? - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Am Donnerstag, 5. April 2001 17:43 schrieben Sie: > At 17:14 05/04/01 +0200, Luca Ingianni, wrote > > > "drivers beware there is a ghost driver on highway so-and-so" > > This sounds intriguing --- what is a "ghost driver" Uh oh. I was afraid this would happen. I looked the term up in a dictionary (so much for that) but somehow it didn't sound right to me. Probably doesn't exist. "Ghost driver" would be a direct translation from German (which I felt was a bit odd -- it should sound different in English). In German this is the term for people driving on the wrong side of the road (which is especially bad on highways as there are barriers between the two directions so even if you realize your mistake you can't go over to the right side. Either reverse right on the highway or go all the way to the next exit). have fun, Luca - - -- There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives. - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrMptAACgkQ7uxRR5vRvyvW8wCePvh25HncqGSScvHpdR2pfQGu WXIAn2UKWy+pzVr0sHbczmwvoSCggjb1 =7A6u - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:15:51 EDT From: NADdMD@aol.com Subject: Re: LRO: Clinton's Midget - --part1_12.b199d75.27fe0247_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gotta say, When I first saw this subject I was afraid we were gonna start talking about the former President's *ahem* accoutrements. Nate - --part1_12.b199d75.27fe0247_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gotta say,

When I first saw this subject I was afraid we were gonna start talking about
the former President's *ahem* accoutrements.

Nate - --part1_12.b199d75.27fe0247_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:26:57 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Clinton's Midget I think you can convert the electronic 45d4 to points by replacing the baseplate, as well. Errrr.one problem - the vacuum capsule mount is different, as the VC mounts to the electronic module. If you wanted to I'm sure it could be done, but you'd end up leaving the Emodule on it... ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:26:56 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: RE: LRO: Weber 34 ICH Bryan, I have discovered that the port sat the bottom provides vacuum to the power-vavle. This is the spring loaded diaphram located above the float chamber in the top half of the body. Vacuum cause the valve to open and lean out the mixture. At full throttle, vacuum is supposed to drop and the valve closes. Enriching the mixture. I am wondering if my spring is to week, so the diaphram remains open at all times. I have to back the mixture needle all most all the way out and have the idle screw turned almost all the way in to get the thing to idle, and it only idles at 1100rpms. Any less and it dies. Pete > Pete, > > That 3rd port on the bottom of my 34ICH is blocked by the gasket > as well. I just rebuilt mine too, so I remember thinking "hmmm" > as I reassembled it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:33:00 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: Clinton's Midget When I first saw this subject I was afraid we were gonna start talking about the former President's *ahem* accoutrements. Nate ROFLMAO..... aj"Or would tyhat be CLinton's cocktail weenie?"r ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:41:59 -0400 From: Easton Trevor A Subject: LRO: RE: Power (was wasted youth) > Pacific pulp and paper plant in Bellingham, WA shut down. The mill, which > has > been in operation for decades, has also been hit with astronomical power > costs as > the result of insufficient generating capacity in this state, due in part > to the successful > blocking of new plants by the environmental movement. They tried to keep > the plant going > by renting 40 diesel generators, but the environmentalists got that > stopped, too. So the > plant closed last week, putting over 400 people out of work in a > relatively small town. > They should have installed a nuclear cogeneration plant, kept open, sold power to the state and the depleted uranuim might have come in handy for the environmentalists. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:53:00 +0100 From: "Phil Norris" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Wasted youth We have a saying over here involving a pot, a kettle and the colour black...... Rgds P hil Norris 110 V8 SW god knows how many owners and couldn't care less.... Bolton, England - -----Original Message----- From: Faure, Marin To: 'Land Rover Mail Group' Cc: 'macka.andy@clear.net.nz' Date: 05 April 2001 17:07 Subject: LRO: Re: Wasted youth >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:53:10 +1200 >From: "Macka" >Subject: LRO: Re: Wasted youth (was parts availability, etc.) > >>The below statement from Marin is quite staggering, down here in New >Zealand we have learnt of the US President's new stance on the Kyoto >agreement....surely this is a view held by the President and his advisors? >Surely not all Americans hold a view similar to Marin's which is arrogant >and selfish in the extreme. > >You take life WAY too seriously.... >___________________________ >C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:53:30 -0500 From: "Brian Willoughby" Subject: LRO: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard (Long and Bitter) I think that a vehicle properly restored to original condition or maintained from new in its original state is a considerably more difficult goal to accomplish than cutting one up and modifying it. If I had a nickel for every time I've been "advised" to exchange my early 2.25 for something else, I could probably buy another new chassis, though maintaining the original engine keeps the vehicle's history intact. Besides, I enjoy the challenge of tracking down rare parts that the engine swappers don't give two cents about: I even have a set of four long-out of production Lodge spark plugs for car show display purposes. (I could explain what Lodge spark plugs are and look like; however, those who care already know and those who are concerned about Iron Dukes will never understand.) With swapping engines, originality is out the window and nothing else really matters so why bother yourself with tracking down a correct turn signal lens. I have an idea that frequently some rare and valuable parts are discarded in the zeal and fury to create the perfect, ultimate, coolest, whatever Land-Rover-bodied bastard. I didn't buy a Land-Rover expecting it to be a perfect vehicle and I accepted it for what it was. People accept most other vehicles for what they are: why can't they do it with Land-Rovers? I think it would do some of these engine swapping kids good to be forced to read a history of the Rover Company Ltd. Mind you, I mean something concerning Rover as a whole and not just Land-Rover. I would like them to realize the company had a history prior to producing Land-Rovers, beginning with bicycle manufacture during the late 1800s and proceeding to building some of the first jet engines during World War II. Then after they've covered the pre-war history, they could research the mergers of all the automobile companies that formed British Leyland and finally proceed to BMW's buyout of Rover Group and then the selling and division of the remains to the subsequent purchase of the Land-Rover division by Ford. Perhaps if they'd do this they'd have a little more respect for their Land-Rovers and what they represent. Someone mentioned that Land-Rovers seemed to be intended to be disassembled (and consequently modified) due to their simple, Mecanno-set style construction. Apparently, the prevailing wisdom is that the Wilkes brothers envisioned any and every conceivable engine being shoehorned into Land-Rovers someday. I guess the fact that Rover, like most other automobile producers in post-war Britain, was strapped for funds and that they couldn't afford to produce complicated body panels had nothing to do with the design of the vehicle. It was all done to accommodate Iron Dukes! Thanks to all the engine swappers for setting the record straight! I'm sure that Maurice Wilkes is smiling down on these ultimate Land-Rover-bodied bastards since they have corrected all of his mistakes. I'm sure that in 1948 Maurice remarked, "You know, this vehicle is a heap of crap and, quite honestly, I'm ashamed of it. My conscience is also bothering me: these things are going to have a high selling price and they are so flawed and irregular--simply trash. Though that's okay. We designed them so that the people who buy them will be able to make their own modifications and change them 'round. Nevertheless, it still seems a pity to ask such a high price for the things and then expect people to be forced to go out and have to purchase another engine to replace these worthless lumps we're installing. Alas, I'm certain that 20 year old kids in the year 2001 will understand that we so poorly engineered these things that they have to be rebuilt by their owners to be any good." Of course, Maurice Wilkes didn't say that and if the factory-stock Land-Rover had been as bad as some people make them out to be, Rover wouldn't have ever sold a single unit. For that matter, Rover, much less Land-Rover, would probably have never survived. All this engine swapping nonsense shows a complete lack of understanding of Rover's history and how the Land-Rover came about. I guess that's what happens when people buy them because they "look cool". The cool looks wear thin after a short while and they can't and don't satisfy these peoples' need for a modern car and, thus, they start in on engine conversions. It's too bad that perspective buyers can't rent a Series Land-Rover for a couple of weeks to find out if they really do want one. (Before any of you get any ideas, I thought of this renting scheme first!) I have an idea that most would shy away from them and be asking for a refund, probably before the lease contract had more than a few days used up. (Personally, if I had such a Land-Rover leasing business, I'd only rent them out during December and January and make certain that the only heater allowed to be installed in my fleet would be the infamous Smiths shin-burners. I'd also only rent Is, IIs and IIAs with no overdrives and the earlier transmissions with unsynchronized first and second gears. That ought to cure the "man those things look cool" crowd in no time.) About seven years ago, being an admirer of all things Rover, I nearly bought a '66 Rover 2000SC from a college student: it had been bought merely based on the fact that it "was funky". The idiot hadn't a clue about how to care for the car and used DOT 3 to top off the fluid reservoir. Naturally, the rubber in the brake system quickly self-destructed and to alleviate the problem, a bottle of "Heavy Duty DOT 3" was purchased (I found the bottle in the boot.) Of course, the car wouldn't stop and since the kid was too dumb and proud to ask a question or try to analyze what had gone wrong, the car was for sale as someone else's problem to solve. The deal fell through and I later found out that a salvage yard was called to haul the car away. I was told the kid got paid $25 for the "funky car." The moral is that if the kid had bother to learn something about the car, it might still be on the road rather than having been crushed. What a shame, it was a really nice, original P6. Hot rods hold no appeal for me. I was en route to Asheville, NC about a year ago and decided to stay over in Pigeon Forge, TN and drive through the Smokies to get to Asheville. Unbeknownst to me, there was a hot rod meet going on and the things were everywhere--like flies on fresh... Anyhow, being a car nut, I felt that I had to take a few minutes to at least look at the ones in the hotel parking lot before I left. There they were: Fords with Chevy engines, Chryslers with Ford engines and Chevys with Ford powerplants, etc. The interiors were completely modified and basically the cars were unidentifiable save for the body shells they were built up from. Some were for sale and I couldn't believe the asking prices. Needless to say, there were few buyers and I walked away wondering how a price could be set on these contraptions. What's a 1940s Chevy bodyshell with a late-model Ford engine and a Pontiac rear end worth? Who knows. One thing I was surprised to learn was that there are companies out there that essentially sell their customers all the parts needed to "build up" certain cars that are popular hot rod targets. Build a hot rod by the numbers, or something like that. At least this ensures that some level of proper engineering goes into the end result. In the midst of all these hot rods was a lost looking and completely stock Triumph TR6. I spent more time examining it than all the hundreds of Yank Tank hot rods combined. The thing that bothers me about these homemade hybrids is that they are not being designed by automotive engineers. For that matter, they're not even being approached in a very scientific manner at all. Engineering or re-engineering a car is not for amateurs; for that matter, even the experts can develop things that are deathtraps (the grossly overpowered Sunbeam Tiger and A.C. Cobra are prime examples of a legitimate [i.e. factory-built] hybrids that could be downright dangerous in the hands of an inexperienced driver.) I have to seriously question the abilities of some of the people currently contemplating re-engineering their Land-Rovers. Do these people have the capabilities to perform testing with computer models of how all their modifications will work out? I doubt it. They certainly can't build a series prototypes to help envision what the finished product's dynamics will be like. Most car companies build test mule after mule in an attempt to get everything right. With these amateur engine swaps, it's simply a matter of do it and hope for the best. And what happens when they fail to create the ultimate Land-Rover-bodied bastard? It will be difficult to find a buyer for the thing who wants to drive it (especially if the truth is revealed about what a mess the vehicle is) and, sadly, prices for scrap iron and aluminum have plummeted in recent years. Someone mentioned that these "hybrids" are an essential part of Land-Rover's history--that the make's history has been recorded and written with these creations as an integral part thereof. I would argue that they are not even a footnote. Does the Motor Heritage Trust go out seeking hacked up Land-Rovers with Iron Dukes in them? Hardly. What is in their collection? Vehicles like HUE 166--which was bought back from a farmer who had owned and used it for years and hadn't "re-engined" it. Does anyone ever discussed these vehicles after the fact? I've never heard anyone concerning themselves about John Q. Public's Volkswagen-diesel powered Land-Rover bodied bastard after John Q. does his conversion--no one cares after a few months or years. If these things are so important in the greater scheme of Land-Rover history, why aren't they detailed and discussed in depth in books dealing with Land-Rover history? Could it be because they aren't part of the history that the manufacturer was responsible for? Obviously, the manufacturer (as well as many others) does not recognize the Land-Rover-bodied bastards as being Land-Rovers and why should they? They aren't anything more than a Land-Rover bodyshell in the end. Speaking of hot rods, there's an interesting one locally--it's based on a Citroen 15CV. Yes, it's fascinating that someone put a Chevy engine and rear end in it, though what a shame to chop up what is a quite scarce car on this side of the Atlantic. In this transition, it's lost all of its original French charm that made it uniquely Citroen; now it's just a collection of parts. Hell, it's even lost its famous "traction avant" in this futile attempt to create a better Big 15. Is there a single auto museum that would want this thing in their collection? I doubt the Henry Ford Museum or Harrah's have been in contact. Basically, that's the problem with cutting up and mutilating a Land-Rover: what these Land-Rover engine swappers are doing is creating collections of unrelated parts that have no value except to their owners and no provenance. These conversions have no future because they have no regard for the past. Brian Willoughby 1960 Land-Rover Series II 88" S.W.--"The Lady Eleanor" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:55:43 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: RE: LRO: Ghost Driver? > a bit odd -- it should sound different in English). In German this is the > term for people driving on the wrong side of the road (which is > especially > bad on highways as there are barriers between the two directions so even > if you realize your mistake you can't go over to the right side. Either > reverse right on the highway or go all the way to the next exit). Thanks for the explanation.....now the joke makes perfect sense. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:09:23 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Power (was wasted youth) > > The radical side of the environmental movement just succeeded in getting the Georgia > Pacific pulp and paper plant in Bellingham, WA shut down. The mill, which has > been in operation for decades, has also been hit with astronomical power costs as > the result of insufficient generating capacity in this state, due in part to the successful > blocking of new plants by the environmental movement. They tried to keep the plant going > by renting 40 diesel generators, but the environmentalists got that stopped, too. So the > plant closed last week, putting over 400 people out of work in a relatively small town. > > Looking at it in black and white, diesel generators do pollute. Power plants can pollute, > too, if they aren't designed and managed properly. The mill, which had done a great deal > over the last few years to clean up its operation, still polluted some. So the > environmentalists can truthfully say they have successfully shut down a source of pollution. > But what about the 400-plus people who are out of work? Every job at that mill supported > seven jobs in the community (these are government statistics, not mine). So it's not > just the mill workers that are losing their jobs, but waiters, bookstore owners, supermarket > clerks, real estate agents, etc., etc., etc. It won't be long before one of the protesters > complains because his or her favorite little restaurant has closed, or the auto parts > store has closed, or the funky used bookstore went out of business. But they won't > see the connection between those things and their all-or-nothing protest campaign. > > And THAT's my single biggest complaint about "youth." They don't have the experience > or knowledge to see that everything is connected. In the past, it didn't matter so much > because youth was over-ridden by more experienced reason. But now in our > "minority rules" society, the one-sided yammerings of special-interest groups > are given far too much say in matters that ultimately affect the lives of hundreds, > if not thousands of people. > Go*damn it Marin will you quit doing that. Just when I am about to say you are full sh*t you say some thing I agree with. However to all those who try to assure us that nuclear is non poluting have you so soon forgotten Chernobyl. It simply saves its polution to be released in one catastrophy. Then there is question of spent fuel which is just being hidden at the present. John and Muddy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 01 10:13:22 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Parts availability vs. bulletproofing >Apparently all the new Defenders will be manufactured in SA (from when I >don't know), LR is looking at the V8 Caddie engine (I think). Rest assured that Ford will not produce a car with A GM power plant. As to where they will all be built? Who knows, especially after the complete Defender line is reintroduced in the US. TeriAnn http://www.overlander.net The world's most complete set of links connecting Rover 4X4 owners with Rover parts, service, accessory & sales companies world wide. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 01 10:06:10 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: RE: April LROI >Not only are the "round" type guards prevalent on some of the most serious >off-roaders, but many can also be "tack" welded into place. Sounds like a plan to me. Mine fell off too. Luckally I was able to retrieve it. I was thinking of having it tack welded in place. The problem seems to be that late diff housings have a noticable cylinderical space before the rounded end. Early ones like mine just have the rounded end. The late version of the housing provides something for the diff guard to clamp too. They just kinda percariously hold onto the early version housing. TeriAnn Wakeman Marigold Ltd. Santa Cruz, California Web design, site updating, testing webmaster@overlander.net search engine optimization, graphics and more http://www.overlander.net/Marigold/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:34:51 +0100 From: "Frank Elson" Subject: LRO: Re: New words Those words should suit the Washington Post. When I worked for them in the 1970s they couldn't spell colour, aluminium, or tyre; they didn't know what a chassis was, or the boot of a car; they laughed when I smoked fags; they didn't know how to use a knife and fork properly AND they all drove on the wrong side of the road :-)> Best Cheers Frank +--+--+--+ I !__| [_]|_\___ I ____|"_|"__|_ | / B791 PKV "(o)======(o)" Bronze Green 110 CSW - ----- Original Message ----- From: A. P. "Sandy" Grice To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: LRO: New words > OK, gang, this doesn't have a thing to do with Rovers, but I found it amusing and educational nonetheless, and thought that ya'll might even start using some of them. Enjoy.... > > The Washington Post's Style Invitational asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are some recent winners: > > 1) Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with. > > 2) Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly. > > 3) Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid. > > 4) Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high. > > 5) Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it. > > 6) Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late. > > 7) Hipatitis: Terminal coolness. > > 8) Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (this one got extra credit) > > 9) Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's, like, a serious bummer. > > 10) Glibido: All talk and no action. > > 11) Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly. > > And, the pick of the litterature: > > 12) Ignoranus: A person who's both stupid and an asshole. > > > > > > *----jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary----* > | | > | A. P. ("Sandy") Grice | > | Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd. | > | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA 23508-1730 | > |(O)757-622-7054, (H)757-423-4898, FAX 757-622-7056 | > | www.roav.org | > | (original owner) (pre-production) | > *----1972 Series III------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)----* > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:15:50 -0500 From: Bill Adams Subject: LRO: Split the list? I guess we'll further have to split the LRO list. Bill, Can we modify the Major to have a LRO-No non Rover engines and trannys or suspension parts, even though Rover outsources a ton of stuff on their vehicles (subscribe LRONNRETSPETROATOSOTV) list and an anything goes list (subscribe-LROAG)? - -- Bill Adams 3D & Motion Graphics Design Director International Broadcasting Bureau Washington, D.C. 202-205-9638 badams@ibb.gov '66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel '81 GoldWing '69 Le Sabre Convertible '63 Pearson Vanguard "Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:22:10 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: LRO: An actual Land-Rover question about 109 brakes I'm getting ready to go do some work on the front brakes of my 109, and I'm looking at the replacement parts I've got. As near as I can tell, I've got four identical shoes. I'm sure there's a difference between them, isn't there? How do I tell? I hate to drag you folk away from your bickering about youth, global warming, and caddy engines, but help? Thanks, David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:21:45 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: Dynamat Hi Ron >...fuel line (extra long, routed near the bulkhead) Bad boy! By having the fuel line routed properly, you have jeopardized your lazy bugger membership. The whole idea of the ally is that you compensate for a sub-optimal fuel line routing. If you have disturbed the fault equilibrium of your vehicle, you will be sorry... Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:37:30 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: An actual Land-Rover question about 109 brakes The 4 fronts are the same but the 4 rears have their own exact location. John and Muddy David Scheidt wrote: > > I'm getting ready to go do some work on the front brakes of my 109, and I'm > looking at the replacement parts I've got. As near as I can tell, I've got > four identical shoes. I'm sure there's a difference between them, isn't > there? How do I tell? > > I hate to drag you folk away from your bickering about youth, global > warming, and caddy engines, but help? > > Thanks, > > David > > -- > dscheidt@tumbolia.com > Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:38:55 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: An actual Land-Rover question about 109 brakes On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, John Cranfield wrote: :The 4 fronts are the same but the 4 rears have their own exact location. :John and Muddy Great. Thanks, John. David : :David Scheidt wrote: :> :> I'm getting ready to go do some work on the front brakes of my 109, and I'm :> looking at the replacement parts I've got. As near as I can tell, I've got :> four identical shoes. I'm sure there's a difference between them, isn't :> there? How do I tell? :> :> I hate to drag you folk away from your bickering about youth, global :> warming, and caddy engines, but help? :> :> Thanks, :> :> David :> :> -- :> dscheidt@tumbolia.com :> Bipedalism is only a fad. : : - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:52:49 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: Re: LRO: An actual Land-Rover question about 109 brakes Front brakes are the same - dual-expanding shoes each with its own adjuster. Rear shoes are like an 88 - sided. Look for the pin placements to figure who goes where. If you get them on and the adjusters can't be locked they're wrong...or did I not need to tell you this? 8*) ajr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:00:35 -0700 From: "Rich Williams II" Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard (Long and Bitter) Someone hand Brian a pint! Cheers mate! Rich Williams '60 Series II 109 S.W. "Lucy" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:03:46 -0400 From: "Tackley, John" Subject: LRO: RE: Engine Balancing > Peter asked... "So am going to do a total rebuild. Just wonder if getting the thing balanced would be a good idea given the increase in power and to improve longevity." My response is long, so either get comfortable, or hit 'delete' now. Well, let's examine this situation...you will have gone to some considerable expense to improve the 2.25, perhaps to keep the truck an original LR or just because you like seeing the results (...or lack of same) of your own personal engine enhancement theories, whatever. We know from the experiences of others that it is possible to increase/improve on the stock 7:1 comp. 2.25 petrol LR engine's (engines, not motors...motors only convert electricity to mech. energy, I was taught)HP and Torque curves and peaks. Also, there are many routes to that destination. You can increase such things as the compression ratio and the displacement by various means, (skim the head, change the pistons, bore the cylinders oversize, stroke the crank) etc. Simpler and less expensive methods of increasing HP/Torque can also be followed, such as increasing the air flow thru the engine by changing to higher flow carbs, cams, manifolds and exhausts. There are specific costs associated with each of these operations though, both in terms of parts and/or labor/machine shop time and otherwise. Horsepower by-the-dollar(or pound-sterling, if you prefer...)I like to call it. The enjoyment for me is to first determine the objective, then develop both a budget and a plan for the improvements/modifications, then estimate the relative costs of planned changes and then press on. Sometime you win, sometimes you lose, but there are no mistakes ever, only lessons. Will balancing a LR 2.25 have its benefits...abso-damn-lutely, and don't let anyone tell you differently...the issue is; Is the benefit worthy of the effort? Or, is it worth the relative cost? Isn't cost a relative issue to each of us? What seems expensive to me may come cheap to you, and so on. There WILL be a benefit, however slight it may be. Only you can weigh the facts and decide. When I, or rather my local machine/speed shop) did my 2.25 engine, we discussed each of these and other points, they gave me estimates of the costs and expected benefits, and then I picked a peddle, to stop or go; I made the call. I performed most of the above mentioned mods, and some others, including a port&polish of the head (which was bench flowed before and after to verify the increase/improvement in flow rates). This in turn was matched to flow rate specs for manifolds/carbs and I decided on APB's SU carb/Aluminum manifold combo. Add to that an AB header out of necessity...what goes in has to get out. I have not fired up this engine yet. In the future I plan to utilize a SuperTrapp exhaust, which is tuneable via 'discs' that are added or removed to change the flow rate of the exhaust system. Essentially, I used known techniques for increasing HP and Torque hot rodders have been using for many years and threw them at LR's 'tractor' technology engine because I wnated to. I am quite certain every one of the mods carried out will have its benefit, however slight, and to me, the relative cost (all tallied I spent less than $2500 for parts and labor)was well below the cost of a new Turner or other known quality re-built 2.25, and $300 of that total was just for re-assembling the complete engine and then standing behind that work. The guarantee I recieved from the shop was for 1 year/unlimited mileage, which commences the day I fire it up for the first time, which will be several months after it left their shop(this in exchange for paying them to assemble and test, ...yes test, not by actually starting and running the engine, but by 'spinning' it up to 500 rpm for a prolonged period of time and checking all the things they check to insure quality work). That all made good sense to me and seemed a good value, compared to other choices available to me. So, back to Pete's question, or rather my answer to it...will balancing have any benefit in terms of increased power and longevity...abolutely it will. If it develops more HP and Torque as a result of your chosen mods, will you not enjoy more smiles-per-mile because of them? Will you not rev the engine higher, or cruise at a higher relative rpm just because you can, as a result of those mods? I'm sure you will and those mods will allow you to do that with an increased margin of safety/longevity. However, Pete, only you can determine if the 'cost'of whatever you decide to do, be it in labor, parts or whatever cost, is acceptable to you. Good Luck, JT/ric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:11:19 +0100 From: "Mike Rogers" Subject: Re: LRO: Real Rovers (was Parts availability....) > An interesting dilemma arises when considering older >Series Land Rovers that have been fitted with Rover > V-8s. Are they Land Rovers? I have been reading this thread with interest wondering where it will end up and have decided to add the thoughts that led to my Hybrid building. Firstly I just like land Rovers, secondly the Lightweight, to me, is the best looking vehicle Land Rover ever built, sadly they were built in the era of leaf springs and poor performing engines. Hence I came to the conclusion that if I were to keep up with modern traffic on the roads, and compete with modern Land Rovers off road a Hybrid was the only way to go if I were to keep the body style I like so much. To me it is still a Land Rover, to the ARC club rules it is still a Land Rover, to the vehicle licensing dept it is still a Land Rover, to NFU insurance it is still a Land Rover. All the parts with the exception of the, VW seats, SD1 steering wheel, Freight Rover handbrake lever and Ford fuel filler neck and cap were originally made by Land Rover Ltd. A few items I had to custom make myself such as radiator grill, chassis parts, and Roll cage. The fact that I arranged these parts in a way that Land Rover Ltd never did does not make the vehicle non-Land Rover. I am currently re-building a 110 (I at last have a gearlever for it) in different way to that which Land Rover Ltd chose. They in there wisdom put in a Diesel engine, I am putting in a Range Rover V8 and LT95 gearbox. I will probably use car seats and convert it to run on LPG. It will still be a Land Rover. PS. Why does my spellchecker always want me to change SD1 to SAD, does it too have opinions? Mike Rogers Lightweight/Range Rover hybrid Transferboxleverless 110 project (if you can't get there in a Land Rover you can't get there) ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #314 ********************************************** From fadushin@ecs.syr.edu Thu Apr 5 22:16:11 2001 Return-Path: Received: from mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (ecs.syr.edu [128.230.208.14]) by minbar.fourfold.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f362GAN23455 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:16:10 -0400 Received: (from fadushin@localhost) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id f361BlG00347 for fadushin@www.ovlr.org; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from syr.edu (syr.edu [128.230.1.49]) by mailroom.ecs.syr.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f361Bk800344 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from works.team.net (IDENT:root@[216.35.192.58]) by syr.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07238 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by works.team.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f360aIx24614 for lro-digest-gone; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:36:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:36:18 -0400 Message-Id: <200104060036.f360aIx24614@works.team.net> From: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net (LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * *) To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #315 Reply-To: lro-digest@works.team.net Sender: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Errors-To: owner-lro-digest@works.team.net Precedence: bulk X-Subscriptions: http://land-rover.team.net/majorcool/cgi-bin/majorcool.cgi LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * Thursday, April 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 315 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:18:21 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Power Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:09:23 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Power (was wasted youth) >However to all those who try to assure us that nuclear is non poluting have you so soon forgotten Chernobyl. The problem with using Chernobyl as an example of the nuclear power generation industry in action is that the Chernobyl plant was a shining example of how to do everything wrong in designing, operating, and maintaining a nuclear power plant. If that type of plant was state-of- the-art in nuclear power plants, then I would agree nuclear's not a good way to go. But in fact, a nuclear plant can be designed, operated, and maintained to be as reliable and safe as any other form of power generation except possibly hydro. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:20:02 -0500 From: Bill Adams Subject: Re: LRO: RE: Engine Balancing Balancing only means that the pistons, con rods and crankshaft will be checked to see if they are within 1-2 grams of one another. The crank gets spun and checked for harmonic imbalance. All this is to help when she spins up to high rpms. At lower, like 3K and below, the forces aren't all that great to necessitate the effort. - -- Bill Adams 3D & Motion Graphics Design Director International Broadcasting Bureau Washington, D.C. 202-205-9638 badams@ibb.gov '66 Land Rover 109 SW Diesel '81 GoldWing '69 Le Sabre Convertible '63 Pearson Vanguard "Practicing the ancient art of ren-ching" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:23:23 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Peter's accolade: Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:00:30 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: LRO: Re: Peter's accolade: >You really need to come up and say hello before you move off to Northern California (too close to Marin!). No, don't worry. It's too dark in California for anyone to find their way out, so I wouldn't expect to see anyone from that state up here in the foreseeable future (thank God...) ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle _________________________________________ C. Marin Faure Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services telephone (425)393-7721 mobile (206)650-5622 fax: (425)393-7741 e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:26:14 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Youth Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:10:50 +0100 From: Ian Stuart Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Youth > >Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, Austin, Dallas, > London, Birmingham, Manchester, Brussels, Paris, Frankfurt, > Stuttgart, Leipzig, Oslo, Dubai, Tokyo, Taipei, Kuala Lumpur, > Auckland, Santiago, Palma de Mallorca, Malta, Istanbul, Vienna, > Zurich, Reunion Island, Spokane, Honolulu, Orlando, Miami, St. > Louis, Atlanta, Washington DC, Hong Kong. Those are some of the > bigger places.... >You notice none of these are in Scotland ;) No. Surprisingly all the folks we've met in Scotland (and Wales) regardless of age had their wits about them. You should figure out why this is and export it. Make a lot of money, I bet. But don't take any Euros.... ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:29:09 -0400 From: "KURT W. KRAUSS" Subject: LRO: Newly-acquired NAS SIII I took the plunge and purchased a 1973 NAS SIII to keep my Disco II company. I am having it shipped from Florida and it will eventually end up in Manchester, Vermont. Anyone know good mechanics around there? Also, I am trying to locate a mint condition set of delivery documents like the owners manual, a dealer list, passport ot service, etc. I have the originals but they are tatty. Kurt Krauss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:32:27 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #312 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:41:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Halt Subject: LRO: Re: LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #312 >You are right, Marin, You're opinion doesn't matter a bit, except for the enormous amount of bandwidth your absurd novellas take up when you get on your soapbox. Don't read them. >And what good does it do to see all these places if you travel with your eyes closed? Hard for me to travel to these places with my eyes closed seeing as how I'm directing a film crew when I'm there. >I like young people, I like old people. In some strange way, I am even starting to like you. I'd get that fixed right away, if possible. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:33:49 -0600 From: "Tim Czajka" Subject: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard (Long and Bitter) Brian Willoughby wrote: >These conversions have no future because they have no regard for the past. > Oh my. I was able to eat lunch in the time it took to scroll through your lengthy diatribe. But your last sentence said it all. You are like the kid in high school, who could regurgitate facts and figures, but couldn't form understanding. Whether or not the Wilkes brothers wanted people to modify the Series Land Rover, the fact is it happened. It ended up being one of the great strengths of the Series - the vehicle could be modified in partnership with the owner. Take away that and you take away part of what is a Series Land Rover. Any one of the rag tag bunch of explorers and adventurers who have traveled across Africa in modified Series vehicles over the years could tell you that. I am sure they had little worry about matching spark plug numbers. But go to your car shows. Keep those part numbers matching. Have "fun" buffing that paint job. Gosh you really know what a Series Land Rover is all about. Tim Czajka 1972 Series III 88 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:35:30 -0400 From: "RON WARD" Subject: Re: LRO: Dynamat No, no, I made a longer fuel line to hold an extra gallon of fuel, saves me a trip to the gas station. Ron "lazy bugger" Ward >>> CCoates@golder.com 04/05/01 02:21PM >>> Hi Ron >...fuel line (extra long, routed near the bulkhead) Bad boy! By having the fuel line routed properly, you have jeopardized your lazy bugger membership. The whole idea of the ally is that you compensate for a sub-optimal fuel line routing. If you have disturbed the fault equilibrium of your vehicle, you will be sorry... Clinton ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:40:47 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Marin;' off his meds..... Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:43:31 -0400 From: "Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus" Subject: LRO: Re: Marin;' off his meds..... >If all of this is so horrid why do you hang about with us? Or is it so we can share in your "wisdom"? No, I don't care if you read or agree with me at all. I write for a living. Writing is like any other skill- you have to practice it. This group is a) entertaining, and b) provides an opportunity to write about things that I normally wouldn't have an opportunity to write about. You'd be surprised (unless you write for a living, too) how many things that you try out in a casual forum like this prove helpful somewhere else. I don't read half the stuff posted to this group because it doesn't interest me. I would assume you have the same ability. As to wasting bandwidth, my ISP doesn't charge me by the sentence I download or read. If yours does, then I apologize for running up your bill. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:42:26 -0400 From: "Paul Gussack" Subject: LRO: RE: Wasted Yutes attn: Marin Marin, I usually find myself agreeing with you, and find you knowledge very useful. I'll probably be flamed for this but I find your post ironic. You lambaste the "eco-freaks" as misinformed youths who protest and get results through their actions. This is something we, as any citizen, have the right in the U. S. to do. If you love toxic waste, dioxins, creosote and sulphur dioxides then get out and speak up for their continued existence. These protests are not against the workers but the continued practice of ignoring the consequences of our actions. Many of the workers in theses plants are exposed to dangerous products many times without their knowledge or consent. A nuclear facility near where I currently live is under review for an unusually high instance of certain cancers that many of it's past employees are suffering from. In most cases the protests are not blow up the plants and go back to sticks and stones but to reevaluate how these operations are run. Unfortunately, it often takes very vocal and visible action by citizens to get notice. You just hope that they are proper and peaceful. Make no mistake these youths will pay for our mistakes and don't want to inherit a planet that is unlivable. Look not at the future but at now. If you were to have your blood tested you may be disturbed to find how many toxins you carry in your body. Believe me you'd feel better without them. The bottom line is don't complain to the list about what you don't like, write your government. They will listen. I honestly believe that. If you can do no good at least do no harm. Sorry for the rant Paul G SIII SWB "Grendal" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:43:05 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Youth Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:17:06 -0400 From: "Lee Jones" Subject: RE: LRO: Re: Youth >One thing we have to remember - all these kids one day will be your age - or worse, mine! Yeah, but by then we'll be gone, so we won't have to pay the consequences. It's better than a free lunch. Heap a load of crap on the young guys and then split. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:57:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Subject: Re: LRO: Real Rovers (was Parts availability....) On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, David Scheidt wrote: > Indeed. It doesn't do much good against 110 percent humidity, though. Oh yeah, I now remember all those summers in NYC... > Of course electric winches suck. It's what they're for, right? Exactly... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:57:50 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Re: Real Rovers Date: Thu, 5 Apr 01 08:58:04 -0700 From: TeriAnn Wakeman Subject: Re: LRO: Real Rovers (was Parts availability....) Marin wrote: > >using a Land Rover as a starting point. Kind of like the > show everyone on this list seems to like so much, Junkyard >Wars. >Almost but not quite. I spent almost two years designing how I wanted the rear interior to be and where to put things before I took wrench to the car. I spent almost a year looking at power plants and asking people about their experiences and running cost vs fuel savings numbers before settling on an engine. Don't get the impression I was trying to compare your vehicle to the things created on Junkyard Wars. You are correct, that is a two-day, throw-together-what-you-can affair, not a thought-out design process like the one you went through. I was simply using the Junkyard Wars show as an illustration of my point that even though a vehicle may use components from a specific machine, the alterations, other parts, etc. that make up the final vehicle make it totally different from the vehicle it was derived from. As such, it cannot be claimed to be an example of the original vehicle. In other words, if I wanted to show someone (say a kid, God forbid) an example of a Land Rover, I would not use your vehicle for this purpose. I would find someone with a stock (as far as body, drive train and engine go) vehicle. If I wanted to show someone an example of a reliable, good-performing on and off-road vehicle, I might very well use your 109 hybrid as an example. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:52:29 -1000 From: "Hope Peter" Subject: LRO: RE: RE: Engine Balancing > However, Pete, only you can determine if the 'cost'of whatever > you decide to > do, be it in labor, parts or whatever cost, is acceptable to you. > John, thank you for your input. Boy I hope this doesn't comeout wrong, but cost isn't really the issue. Counting the original purchase price of the Rover (which had Warn hubs, weber 32ich, 8:1 head, Fairey OD, and Koenig winch), the cost of the steel (for the frme, bumper, roll cage, bull bar, tire carrier), new tires (5@ 33-1250x15), 8.5" rims, rebuilt front axle, tranny, custom drive shaft, 75 amp alt, 2bbl Weber and intake, pair of drive lights, pair of fog lights, new wire harness, all new hydraulics, new clutch, and all the little bits that went into the frame over, I stll haven't spent 5k. And this has been spread out over a 30 month period. My frame is 250lbs heavier then stock, 150 for the bumper/bullbar, 150 for roll bar, want to add in a second fuel tank, say 100 when full. With the OD and tires I don't have any problems maintaining 65mph on the highway. The rpm's are lower then driving 35 in 3rd. The only problem comes when hitting the hills. The H2 heads up through the central valley. In a 2-3 mile stretch you are going from sea level to 1200 feet. This isn't much of a hill I know, but I have a hard time maintaining 45mph. I want to increase the performance enough so that I can maintain speed on hills such as this. I have heard from some people that have gone with the ACR stage II kit and are very impressed. Also talked with people that have just used a 8:1 head, 2.5 cam, and 2bbl carb and had noticable improvements. So my current plan is to use the ACR cam, head, a weber 2bbl and maybe bump up the exhaust to 2". >From ACR's web site, they have a standard 2.25 engine measuring 70bhp and 120 lbft of torque. With their stage II head, su carb, free flow silencer on stock pipes, su carb they are measuring 113 bhp (%50+ increase) and 150lbft torque. This new torque figure is at 3400rpm, according to my conversations with ACR this set up still puts out the same torque at 1500rpms as the stock engine. The bhp increase is not as great with their Stage I head, but still impressive, about 10bhp less. The stage I is $290 with todays exchange rate, stage II is 456. Cam is 220. Core charge of 100 for the head and shipping of 120. So $900 for the Stage II, 740 for the stage I. I picked up the Weber 32/34 dmtl and 2bbl intake (all from a mid 80's D90) for 150. I can fab my own exhaust pipes, new muffler is less then 75. Electronic ignition is 75. The carb has an adapter so I can still use the oil bath, but for road use I have found a cone shaped K&N with the same diameter fitting. So if balancing the crank and rods is a good idea I will do it. And by good idea I mean...since I am increasing the output of the engine, aren't I also increasing the stresses upon it's components? If so, will balancing help to make the engine last longer? I am looking at around a total investment of 1500$ for this upgrade. Maybe 1-200 more depending on shop costs. I still consider this to be well within my budget. This keeps the engine compartment relatively landrover, doesn't involve any fabrication work/time (exhaust pipes can be bent in less then an hour). If I spend a couple hundred more dollars and it means I will get a couple extra years out of the engine, then it's worth it to me. If this also means more power, bonus, but most important right now is durability. Thanks Pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:08:03 -0400 From: "Matthew Wilson" Subject: LRO: RE: Newly-acquired NAS SIII Kurt, I dunno about Manchester, but there are a number of series owners in the Albany area. I'm probably about an hour from Manchester, have a heated garage and a good supply of homebrew. Oh, and a IIa in a lot of pieces. Ya know, most of the fun on these trucks is working on them yourself, try that on your Disco II. Original docs, eBay and good luck... Matthew - -----Original Message----- From: owner-lro@works.team.net [mailto:owner-lro@works.team.net]On Behalf Of KURT W. KRAUSS Sent: 05 April, 2001 16:29 To: lro-digest@works.team.net Subject: LRO: Newly-acquired NAS SIII I took the plunge and purchased a 1973 NAS SIII to keep my Disco II company. I am having it shipped from Florida and it will eventually end up in Manchester, Vermont. Anyone know good mechanics around there? Also, I am trying to locate a mint condition set of delivery documents like the owners manual, a dealer list, passport ot service, etc. I have the originals but they are tatty. Kurt Krauss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:14:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Subject: Re: LRO: Re: The Land-Rover Bodied Bastard (Long and Bitter) On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Tim Czajka wrote: > But go to your car shows. Keep those part numbers matching. ??? On my 1949, when the numbers were actually supposed to match, I sent off a letter asking LR Tracability about the different chassis, front & rear axle numbers. THeir response was that the chassis had obviously been shipped to Canada, while one axle to Tanganykia and the other to someplace in Asia. Eventually, the axles made their way to Canada as replacements and ended up under this chassis. This, rather than the more simple excuse that they didn't match, despite their claims to the contrary... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:13:23 -0700 From: "Faure, Marin" Subject: LRO: Something nice about Land Rovers Amid all the entertaining but messy mud slinging over what's a Land Rover, why is today's youth so worthless, and so on, I was reminded this morning of something GOOD about Land Rovers. The driver's-side three-point seatbelt in my SIII, while original, has been slammed in the door a thousand-too-many times. It's frayed and worn to the point where it would probably be considered unsafe. So I called Rovers North to find out if these belts are even still available anymore. I was told that they are, and they'll send me one. Obviously, I could have had a replacement belt made if they weren't available. But one thing that I've been impressed with ever since buying my SIII back in the "dark ages" of the early '70 is how easy parts are to get, and get fast. I get stuff for the SIII and Range Rover faster, often, than I get parts for my Ford pickup or BMW. Part of this is due to the good support by the companies in the US that, over the last three decades, have elected to specialize in importing parts for a relatively rare type of vehicle. But I suspect the enthusiasm people have for keeping Series (and Range Rovers) running in the UK has done a lot to encourage the parts manufacturers to continue making things for vehicles long out of production. While I have voiced my opinion that the Toyota FJ40 is superior to the Series, some of you have stated, I assume from experience, that parts for older FJ40s are getting very hard to get. If that is true, then that's certainly a big plus in favor of the Land Rover, particularly for those of us who bought them with the intention of running them without modification as long as possible. ___________________________ C. Marin Faure (original owner) 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:24:07 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Power It is also a shining example what can and will go wrong simply because of lowest bidder building. It is all very well saying we have learned our lesson but it will happen again. The spent fuel is it's own very special form of pollution that the pro neculear don't like to talk about but it will be polluting for the next 30,000 years All in all neculear has too many down sides. The way of the future will be micro generation from natural scources with hydrogen production to level out the peaks. John and Muddy "Faure, Marin" wrote: > > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:09:23 -0300 > From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) > Subject: Re: LRO: Power (was wasted youth) > > >However to all those who try to assure us that nuclear is non poluting > have you so soon forgotten Chernobyl. > > The problem with using Chernobyl as an example of the nuclear power > generation industry in action is that the Chernobyl plant was a shining > example of how to do everything wrong in designing, operating, and > maintaining a nuclear power plant. If that type of plant was state-of- > the-art in nuclear power plants, then I would agree nuclear's not a good > way to go. But in fact, a nuclear plant can be designed, operated, and > maintained to be as reliable and safe as any other form of power generation > except possibly hydro. > ___________________________ > C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle > > _________________________________________ > C. Marin Faure > Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services > telephone (425)393-7721 > mobile (206)650-5622 > fax: (425)393-7741 > e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:26:25 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: Re: LRO: Newly-acquired NAS SIII Rovers North is on your door step. John and Muddy "KURT W. KRAUSS" wrote: > > I took the plunge and purchased a 1973 NAS SIII to keep my Disco II > company. I am having it shipped from Florida and it will eventually end > up in Manchester, Vermont. Anyone know good mechanics around there? > Also, I am trying to locate a mint condition set of delivery documents > like the owners manual, a dealer list, passport ot service, etc. I have > the originals but they are tatty. > Kurt Krauss ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:28:32 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Real Rovers Or you could show the "Kid" Terriann's Landrover and explain what has been done to it. I was at a British Classic Car show a year or so ago and the most stunning MGB GT drove in. The engine purred and the paint glistened as if it were wet. It had a comfortable new interior in it and a lot of money had been spent on it. Once it stopped in it's place on the grass under the sun and the owner got out, a small crowd gathered with me amongst them to behold this thing of beauty. The owner proudly popped open the hood and there lay a Toyota V6 perfectly installed. As he turned to expound upon it, there was no-one there, only the distant cry of a hawk and a tumbleweed... you get the picture!! I was amazed at the reaction, but the others were purists who had painstakingly restored their cars back to their original timelessness. The GT was a very practical daily driver that could get out there and wrestle with the best of them on the freeway. Each to their own I say. It will be interesting to see what happens when I turn up to a show with mud all over my 67 SWB and a Chevy V8 that has been reluctantly shoehorned under the hood. Rumbling like an AC Cobra because it only has two cherry bombs and no muffler!!!!! "Faure, Marin" wrote: > Date: Thu, 5 Apr 01 08:58:04 -0700 > From: TeriAnn Wakeman > Subject: Re: LRO: Real Rovers (was Parts availability....) > > Marin wrote: > > >using a Land Rover as a starting point. Kind of like the > > show everyone on this list seems to like so much, Junkyard > >Wars. > > >Almost but not quite. I spent almost two years designing how I wanted > the rear interior to be and where to put things before I took wrench to > the car. I spent almost a year looking at power plants and asking people > about their experiences and running cost vs fuel savings numbers before > settling on an engine. > > Don't get the impression I was trying to compare your vehicle to the things > created on Junkyard Wars. You are correct, that is a two-day, > throw-together-what-you-can affair, not a thought-out design process like the > one you went through. I was simply using the Junkyard Wars show as an > illustration of my point that even though a vehicle may use components from > a specific machine, the alterations, other parts, etc. that make up the final > vehicle make it totally different from the vehicle it was derived from. As such, > it cannot be claimed to be an example of the original vehicle. > > In other words, if I wanted to show someone (say a kid, God forbid) an example > of a Land Rover, I would not use your vehicle for this purpose. I would find someone > with a stock (as far as body, drive train and engine go) vehicle. If I wanted to show > someone an example of a reliable, good-performing on and off-road vehicle, I might > very well use your 109 hybrid as an example. > ___________________________ > C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:55:47 -0400 From: "Rolston" Subject: LRO: Re: RE: Power (was wasted youth) That way you could drive your land rover through the wasted industrial wasteland instead of wilderness....... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Easton Trevor A" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 1:41 PM Subject: LRO: RE: Power (was wasted youth) > > Pacific pulp and paper plant in Bellingham, WA shut down. The mill, which > > has > > been in operation for decades, has also been hit with astronomical power > > costs as > > the result of insufficient generating capacity in this state, due in part > > to the successful > > blocking of new plants by the environmental movement. They tried to keep > > the plant going > > by renting 40 diesel generators, but the environmentalists got that > > stopped, too. So the > > plant closed last week, putting over 400 people out of work in a > > relatively small town. > > > They should have installed a nuclear cogeneration plant, kept open, > sold power to the state and the depleted uranuim might have come in handy > for the environmentalists. > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:00:44 -0400 From: "Rolston" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: Power If you are willing to ignore the un-solved problem of spent fuel with half-lifes of thousands of years. And don;t fool yourself, the only way nuclear power ever made it in the states is that the plants did not have to get insurance for the possibility of an accident. If they had to operate in a free market, they never would have happened. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Faure, Marin" To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:18 PM Subject: LRO: Re: Power > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:09:23 -0300 > From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) > Subject: Re: LRO: Power (was wasted youth) > > >However to all those who try to assure us that nuclear is non poluting > have you so soon forgotten Chernobyl. > > The problem with using Chernobyl as an example of the nuclear power > generation industry in action is that the Chernobyl plant was a shining > example of how to do everything wrong in designing, operating, and > maintaining a nuclear power plant. If that type of plant was state-of- > the-art in nuclear power plants, then I would agree nuclear's not a good > way to go. But in fact, a nuclear plant can be designed, operated, and > maintained to be as reliable and safe as any other form of power generation > except possibly hydro. > ___________________________ > C. Marin Faure > (original owner) > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > Seattle > > _________________________________________ > C. Marin Faure > Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services > telephone (425)393-7721 > mobile (206)650-5622 > fax: (425)393-7741 > e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:10:56 -0300 From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) Subject: LRO: Enviro issues there is well thought out article here. John and Muddy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:30:24 -0700 From: Mark Pilkington Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Power If Chernobyl were to happen in Southern England, the area that would have been affected was larger than England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales together. All sterile. Nothing can be grown there. the meat could not be eaten, thousands have cancer. Why risk it!?? Mark Rolston wrote: > If you are willing to ignore the un-solved problem of spent fuel with > half-lifes of thousands of years. And don;t fool yourself, the only way > nuclear power ever made it in the states is that the plants did not have to > get insurance for the possibility of an accident. If they had to operate in > a free market, they never would have happened. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Faure, Marin" > To: "'Land Rover Mail Group'" > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:18 PM > Subject: LRO: Re: Power > > > Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:09:23 -0300 > > From: john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca (John Cranfield) > > Subject: Re: LRO: Power (was wasted youth) > > > > >However to all those who try to assure us that nuclear is non poluting > > have you so soon forgotten Chernobyl. > > > > The problem with using Chernobyl as an example of the nuclear power > > generation industry in action is that the Chernobyl plant was a shining > > example of how to do everything wrong in designing, operating, and > > maintaining a nuclear power plant. If that type of plant was state-of- > > the-art in nuclear power plants, then I would agree nuclear's not a good > > way to go. But in fact, a nuclear plant can be designed, operated, and > > maintained to be as reliable and safe as any other form of power > generation > > except possibly hydro. > > ___________________________ > > C. Marin Faure > > (original owner) > > 1973 Land Rover Series III-88 > > 1991 Range Rover Vogue SE > > Seattle > > > > _________________________________________ > > C. Marin Faure > > Producer/Director, Boeing Video Services > > telephone (425)393-7721 > > mobile (206)650-5622 > > fax: (425)393-7741 > > e-mail: marin.faure@boeing.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:29:58 -0500 (CDT) From: David Scheidt Subject: Re: LRO: An actual Land-Rover question about 109 brakes On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote: : :Front brakes are the same - dual-expanding shoes each with its own :adjuster. Rear shoes are like an 88 - sided. : :Look for the pin placements to figure who goes where. If you get them on :and the adjusters can't be locked they're wrong...or did I not need to tell :you this? 8*) That much I figured out. What I didn't figure out was to order a replacement pipe thingy. Gah. Now I've got wait for UPS to deliver them. And it's going to be a great weekend, much to nice to spend working on the truck. David - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 12:32:42 -1000 From: "Peter Ogilvie" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Power The spent fuel problem has been solved. It can be buried in a number of geologically safe areas where it could be left to decay into anonimity. Insurance is just a gold mine for contingency fee attorneys. If there is one single cause for the demise of the US, its going to be these slime balls. They have demonized everything under the sun and EXTORTED huge sums based on junk science or no science at all. I'd volunteer to have a nuclear plant in my back yard if I could change US tort laws. Did you hear that follow on studies of the Love Canal residents has found they are living longer, healthier lives than the population as a whole. Aloha Peter >From: "Rolston" >If you are willing to ignore the un-solved problem of spent fuel with >half-lifes of thousands of years. And don;t fool yourself, the only way > >nuclear power ever made it in the states is that the plants did not have >to >get insurance for the possibility of an accident. If they had to >operate in a free market, they never would have happened. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:56:06 -0400 From: "Rolston" Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Power Volunteer your back yard, there are NO avaiable spent fuel sites. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ogilvie" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: Re: LRO: Re: Re: Power > The spent fuel problem has been solved. It can be buried in a number of > geologically safe areas where it could be left to decay into anonimity. > > Insurance is just a gold mine for contingency fee attorneys. If there is > one single cause for the demise of the US, its going to be these slime > balls. They have demonized everything under the sun and EXTORTED huge sums > based on junk science or no science at all. I'd volunteer to have a nuclear > plant in my back yard if I could change US tort laws. > > Did you hear that follow on studies of the Love Canal residents has found > they are living longer, healthier lives than the population as a whole. > > Aloha > Peter > > > >From: "Rolston" > >If you are willing to ignore the un-solved problem of spent fuel with > >half-lifes of thousands of years. And don;t fool yourself, the only way > > >nuclear power ever made it in the states is that the plants did not have > >to >get insurance for the possibility of an accident. If they had to > >operate in a free market, they never would have happened. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:14:00 -0700 From: SJH Subject: LRO: re: power So nukes, Love Canal and personal injury lawyers have what to do with Land Rovers? And no, I am not a PI lawyer, I actually spend my time defending personal injury claims brought by Ambulance chasers... (But if I or a family member werereally injured (as opposed to most of the soft tissue injury crap I see), I'd want to be able to bring a claim for it...) And yeah, I do know how to use my delete button, but the non LR stuff is getting a tad thick lately dontchy'all think? Simon CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attachments to it are intended for use only by the addressee(s), and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please kill yourself and permanently delete the original and any copy of this message. Simon J. Harding Attorney at Law Schulte Anderson Downes Aronson & Bittner, P.C. 503.223.4131 sharding@schulte-law.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:25:53 -0600 From: "Coates, Clinton" Subject: LRO: MG Midget Dizzy David and Al have helped me muchly. Thank you. So, to get him running, I might be able to swap in a spare landy dizzy. Better yet, though, is to see if I can convert the existing body to p&c. Though, for the price, if that pertronix works.... I have emailed my local LR/MG/Triumph/Whatever guru to see what he can do to help as far as bits go. Clinton "or swop in an HEI..." Coates ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:12:40 +1000 From: David Pillekers Subject: LRO: Dynamat/sound proofing... G'day All, Recent discussions on sounds proofing caught my eye... Dynamat -- not sure if we get it here, but its sounds effective. What have people tried as sounds proofing material. Obviously we cant make these vehicles whispers quiet, but it would be nice to at least be able to hear your navigator. Currently I'm playing around with sleeping mat foam, and a roll of rubber carpet underlay that fell of the back of a truck. Any other suggestions... The way I see it, the main issue appears to be achieved decent sound damping but without putting down a non removable layer that will absorb water contribute to rust etc. I'm trying to figuire out how to make mine easily removeable. Also, If you want to be able to remove it, then it needs to be reasonable durable. I dont think the carpet underly qualifies here. What I'd love would be some really think rubber... Thoughts anyone??? Regards, David. Melb, Australia (Who hasnt met a Kiwi yet I havent liked) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:33:44 -0400 From: "Larry Smith" Subject: LRO: Re: Re: LRs in WWII movies No, actually a Wright Whirlwind radial. Quite reliable actually. Non-synchro transmission. The M-2 Stuart used two V-8s from the Packard, one for each track. Friend still has a '48 Packard and most of his spares come in Mil-Standard (U.S. Army surplus) vapor barrier paper with Army stock numbers. As to flammability, that's why after the '73 Yom Kippur War, we (the U.S.) went to low flash cherry juice (hydraulic fluid). The Israelis were getting hit and while the round was survivable, the cherry juice cooked off and incinerated the crew. No matter what they tell you, diesel will flash also! But I would ask you to talk to a former Eastern Front Panzer driver about which tank he would have preferred. Have done so and most would have the T-34. Simple, low tech. Best part, it STARTS in cold weather, where diesel waxes and there's little "technology" to freeze. The gunner spins the turret with a crank versus an electric motor. The M-1A1 Abrams is a work of art. First round kills at infinity! But to change an engine pack in a hurry (until the turbine and its shields cool) is a BITCH!!! Nothing like the diesels of the M-60 series!!! Larry Smith (while listening to the 1812 Overture) Chester, VA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Love" To: Sent: 04 April, 2001 03:29 PM Subject: LRO: Re: LRs in WWII movies > Yes, the Shermans were easily field serviceable. I think it was a Cadillac > drive train. Unfortunately the were petrol powered (hence the nickname > "Ronsons") and ignited very easily. Tigers were diesel and a lot harder to > touch off. Not many Shermans were rebuildable after a battle. > ------------------------------ End of LRO Mailing List DIGEST * * * * V1 #315 **********************************************