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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:37:32 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Sputtering Along

Chris Stevens wrote:
> the IIA. After the motor coughed and sputtered a lot I decided to look into
> the fuel system. (this is after I replaced a faulty positive battery
> cable). Today I yanked all the fuel lines (including the pick up tube from
> the new DAP tank) and rebuilt the fuel pump. I discovered that the stock
> pick-up tube was just a tad to long for the new tank, causing it not to
> pick up the way it's supposed to because it's pressed against the tank

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> Towson, MD
> 1969 Series IIa 88" SW
Chris  why not just bend the tube a little? thats what most folks do in
this situation
         John and Muddy

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:49:39 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Kewl, I love The sisters!  I have been into the industrial/heave gothic
music since I was a teen.  I think I have seen Ministry about 11 times
and the Puppy 7.

William PIttman

Charles Morris wrote:

> Wow another Ministry fan. Me, I love listening to Minstry, Skinny
> Puppy,
> and Sisters of Mercy when I'm on the dirt, and Live when i'm on the
> pavement.
> P.S. does your Rover sputter when playing the good stuff? The
> commercials
> always are playing the classical stuff.
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> am
> >> with my girl friend.

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:52:30 -0500
Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs

I agree with this post much more than the last :")

Uncle Roger wrote:

> At 09:03 AM 12/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >I am also tired of hearing people on this list talk down to jeepers.
> A
> >4x4 is a 4x4 and we all share a common interest.  I know of many jeep
> >clubs that do trail maintenance and work to keep trails open.  I have
> I certainly did not mean to imply that "jeepers" (either those who own

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> San Francisco, California
> http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:00:39 -0500
Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs

You know, I am sorry but this realy bothers me.  I complete aggree with
what you are saying and then you insert 'rover owners'.  This is a BIG
problem in my eyes.  I read in a recent mag that a bunch of jeepers and
bikers banned together to save some of the moab/rubicon trails.  There
were many different clubs involved with many different types of
vehicles.  I think that we share common interest that no one else does
as rover owners and I think that my d90 is the kewlest truck on earth
but....I think that saving trails/our reputations is a job that we all
need to ban together to do.

William Pittman

Chris Dillard wrote:

> I have to agree with Uncle Roger and it is my opinion that the "Weeken
> Warrior 4x4 (ie Explorer,Tahoe, etc,etc) seem to make things bad for
> those
> who practice envrionmantally friendly offroading.  I think that the
> only
> reason that we get the brunt of most of the environmentalist "WACKOS"
> is
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> 91 RR County
> 71 SER IIA 109 SW (X-mas wish list)

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 8:06:37 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Gay bashing in the UK...

We put up with a lot on this list. Many times it seems as though it's a 
bunch of three-year-olds fighting over toys in a sandbox. Regardless of 
all this, we have been able to maintain a certain degree of dignity and 
mutual respect for one another...at least up till now. 
I believe a serious infraction of human rights and common decency has 
occurred, however flippant and off-handed it may have seemed to the 
author. It shows a very bigoted and ignorant side of us that I had hoped 
did not exist in our group.
I would be very strongly in favor of dropping this individual from the 
list. This kind of language and attitude cannot be tolerated. Since it 
targets a person whom I consider to be a friend, I am absolutely outraged 
that this has happened here and that this behavior still goes on.
You who still think of others as faggots, niggers, kikes, dagos, and 
whatever other terms you choose had better get your mind straight, or 
else.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:13:51 -0500
Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs

I guess that what I really meant here is those who just go off road
wherever they fell like it (trails or no trails).  I meant nothing directly
against jeep, tahoe, exploere etc. My opologies to those who were offended.
I think however, that it is importanat that we work together to save the
environment and keep off-roading an environmentally friendly thing.

Chris
91 RR County

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:34:38 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Re: Sputtering Along

>So, I'm getting close to solving some "intermittent running" problems with
>the IIA. After the motor coughed and sputtered a lot I decided to look into
>had this problem? It's still sputtering (like fuel starvation) so I'm
>guessing that I need to do more.

Chris,
What type of carb. is on your Rover? If it is a Weber I may have your
solution, or at least something to try. Is the problem mostly at idle?

From: Mike Smith,  EAST COAST ROVER CO.
*Land Rover and Vintage 4X4 Specialists*
21 Tolman Road, Warren, ME (USA) 04864
207.594.8086 phone  207.594.8120 fax
http://www.eastcoastrover.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:26:07 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK...

Adams, Bill wrote:
You who still think of others as faggots, niggers, kikes, dagos, and
whatever other terms you choose had better get your mind straight, or
else.

WELL SAID BILL!

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 08:17:59 EST
Subject: Re: Sputtering Along

> Can I
>.pull it off an hack another eight of an inch or so off the end? Anyone else
>had this problem? It's still sputtering (like fuel starvation) so I'm
>guessing that I need to do more.

Chris, i think it was John Tackley who found some fuel filters or something that
made a good replacement for the pickup tube screen, that would enable you to 
shorten yours (pickup tube that is) and then replace the screen. John?

later
DaveB

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 08:15:16 EST
Subject: Beavers&Winches oh my...

>I'll be needing to unload a winch .... the widow down the street had a huge 
>sale... this old winch. I didn't know if I would need a winch...It has the name
>beaver cast in the front 
> If anyone has information on a "beaver" winch, I'd like to hear more about it.
     
I'm not going to touch this one with a ten foot pole...

later 
DaveB.     

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:39:52 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Beavers&Winches oh my...

dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org wrote:
> >I'll be needing to unload a winch .... the widow down the street had a huge
> >sale... this old winch. I didn't know if I would need a winch...It has the name
> >beaver cast in the front
> > If anyone has information on a "beaver" winch, I'd like to hear more about it.
> I'm not going to touch this one with a ten foot pole...
> later

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> later
> DaveB.
ten foot pole? now who's bragging?
   john

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:44:44 -0800
From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code

I may be wrong but I've been told its really a redish khaki, that
sometimes looks pink, at least when you are out of a desert environment,
(like the old khaki trousers the US army had that were called"pinks")

I don't think there is any specific paint # for the mix, ive seen
several pictures of desert vehicles painted in this scheme and they all
varied in hue. I think they just mix a light sand color with a bit of
red until it looks faintly pink...

matt

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:47:43 -0800
From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: land rover height

could somone with fairly new springs in an 88 tell me how high the roof
is in the rear? I just put the body on mine last night and its measures
6'8" and looks like a grasshopper or something... I think its about 
three inches too tall because of my new springs/military shackles and
overload shocks but I need a height to use as a reference.

thnks 
matt
actually it looks kind of cool... ;)

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 08:45:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Sputtering Along

I think it was John who found them, but there's the info anyway.

There are stainless-steel screens available for the input lines of
spray-painting rear - try your local Home Depot or the like, in the
airless-sprayer section. A Jubileee clip or hose clamp works to hold the
thing on.

Also, someone mentioned that a filter sock much like the one in the Rover
tank is also used on VWs - secure it with a stainless hose clamp or the
like - don't bother soldering it on.

                    ajr

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK...
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 13:51:00 PST

For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering 
faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a 
faggot). In the red blooded world of landy ownership in the UK Mike's 
language was rather restrained. I believe that cat recipies and the like are 
far more likely to cause mass offence. If Mike gets thrown off the list for 
such a minor thing then the list has become very sad. A little political 
incorrectness doesn't hurt.

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT (I've seen the sort of car saleman Mike 
referred to, NOT what you expect when you're looking at the toughest 
4x4xFar)
 ----------
From: Adams, Bill
Subject: Gay bashing in the UK...
Date: 12 December 1997 00:00

We put up with a lot on this list. Many times it seems as though it's a
bunch of three-year-olds fighting over toys in a sandbox. Regardless of
all this, we have been able to maintain a certain degree of dignity and
mutual respect for one another...at least up till now.
I believe a serious infraction of human rights and common decency has
occurred, however flippant and off-handed it may have seemed to the
author. It shows a very bigoted and ignorant side of us that I had hoped
did not exist in our group.
I would be very strongly in favor of dropping this individual from the
list. This kind of language and attitude cannot be tolerated. Since it
targets a person whom I consider to be a friend, I am absolutely outraged
that this has happened here and that this behavior still goes on.
You who still think of others as faggots, niggers, kikes, dagos, and
whatever other terms you choose had better get your mind straight, or
else.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:00:56 +0000
Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK...

>For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering
>faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a
>faggot). In the red blooded world of landy ownership in the UK Mike's
>language was rather restrained. I believe that cat recipies and the like
are
>far more likely to cause mass offence. If Mike gets thrown off the list
for
>such a minor thing then the list has become very sad. A little political
>incorrectness doesn't hurt.
And I thought he was comparing the salesperson to a school dinner,
anyway...  :-)

Yes, I think the reaction was a bit over the top, and I had to go back and
reread the original email to see what the complaints were on about.

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com on 12/12/97 09:51:00 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

cc:    (bcc: Richard Marsden/EAME/VDGC)

Subject:  RE: Gay bashing in the UK...

For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering
faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a
faggot). In the red blooded world of landy ownership in the UK Mike's
language was rather restrained. I believe that cat recipies and the like
are
far more likely to cause mass offence. If Mike gets thrown off the list for
such a minor thing then the list has become very sad. A little political
incorrectness doesn't hurt.
Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT (I've seen the sort of car saleman Mike
referred to, NOT what you expect when you're looking at the toughest
4x4xFar)
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From: Adams, Bill
Subject: Gay bashing in the UK...
Date: 12 December 1997 00:00

We put up with a lot on this list. Many times it seems as though it's a
bunch of three-year-olds fighting over toys in a sandbox. Regardless of
all this, we have been able to maintain a certain degree of dignity and
mutual respect for one another...at least up till now.
I believe a serious infraction of human rights and common decency has
occurred, however flippant and off-handed it may have seemed to the
author. It shows a very bigoted and ignorant side of us that I had hoped
did not exist in our group.
I would be very strongly in favor of dropping this individual from the
list. This kind of language and attitude cannot be tolerated. Since it
targets a person whom I consider to be a friend, I am absolutely outraged
that this has happened here and that this behavior still goes on.
You who still think of others as faggots, niggers, kikes, dagos, and
whatever other terms you choose had better get your mind straight, or
else.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon,
'81 Honda Goldwing 1100 Standard:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "Chris Dillard"<cdillard@Aholdusa.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:03:33 -0500
Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK...

Is it just me, or is it those who references like this aplly to who get the
most offended.  The world is not perfect nor the people in it.  People can
say and do as they please.  Not that I agree with what everybody says but I
agree that they have the right to say it.

Chris
91 RR County

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:14:28 +0000
From: Duncan Phillips <dunk@ivanhoe.soc.staffs.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK...

At 13:51 12/12/97 PST, you wrote:
>For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering 
>faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a 
>faggot). 

I always thought a faggot was a small meatball from the north of England
(never heard of faggot and chips??) - perhaps the salesman was simply
rounded and slathered in gravy - either way let's not let this get out of
proportion - we must balance the protection against offence, against the
right to free speech (something I understand they're big on in the states).

(please direct all flames to /dev/null !!)

*******************************
Duncan Phillips
1980 SWB SIII 'Evie'
http://Gawain.soc.staffs.ac.uk/~cmtdmp/play/lrover/
*******************************
Big Bad n' Blue

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:25:14 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK...

>I always thought a faggot was a small meatball from the north of England
>(never heard of faggot and chips??) -
Its the funny language they speak,Duncan.Which is why when The Black Dyke
Mills Band was booked to play in New York,the organisers wanted to block
the performance.*They* thought it was a lesbian negro band.True!
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:32:51 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK...

Duncan Phillips wrote:
> At 13:51 12/12/97 PST, you wrote:
> >For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering
> >faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a
> >faggot).
> I always thought a faggot was a small meatball from the north of England
> (never heard of faggot and chips??) - perhaps the salesman was simply
> rounded and slathered in gravy - either way let's not let this get out of
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> *******************************
> Duncan Phillips
 If you grew up in rural England you will know that faggots are bundles
of brush wood mainly hazel.
These  were used for a number of purposes not least of which was the
foundation of several medieval cathedrals. So you could  say it is just
a bunch of faggots that hold up some of the worlds greatest churches!
     John and Muddy (who often has a brush with brush wood)

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From: "Davies, Scott" <sdavies@monetpost.stdavids.ncr.com>
Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK...
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 97 14:32:00 PST

Of course, referring to someone as a 'car salesman' was a low down, nasty 
thing to do and shouldn't be tolerated:-)

Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT 

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:34:16 +0000
From: Roydon Woodford <roydon@landrover.org>
Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK...

Question : Is it not politically incorrect to refer to them as a 'car
salesman' surely it should be salesperson.....

At 14:32 12/12/97 PST, you wrote:
>Of course, referring to someone as a 'car salesman' was a low down, nasty 
>thing to do and shouldn't be tolerated:-)
>Scott Davies '85 110 2.5D HT 

Landrover Owners Group (Cambridge)
>http://www.landrover.org
roydon@landrover.org
info@landrover.org

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:38:23 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: land rover height

My 88 had new springs in April, they have now settled a little.

with Bridgestone 750x16 radials - (not as big as my BFG's on the 109)
there top of the roof (not the roof ribs) is 76" above the workshop
floor. I have standard 11 leaf diesel springs and standard shackles
fitted.

the 109 has stndard 11 leaf spings and standard shackles, with BFG
750x16 tyres, and her roof is 77" above the floor.

both give a comfortable ride with good cornering control

hope this helps.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:42:17 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK...

At least he didn't say "second-hand car salesman / salesperson - that
would have been politically incorrect

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:59:04 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK...

Adrian Redmond wrote:
> At least he didn't say "second-hand car salesman / salesperson - that
> would have been politically incorrect
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Well, I'm going to have to step out of line here. I think that the guy at 
our local LR dealership deserves to be called a "car salesman" .Having 
only one LR in at time in a city of 250,000 people seems logical, right? 
If you don't like the color, well, wait till it's sold and maybe the next 
one coming in will suit you. If you ask this guy about the LR, he'll say 
 " That's a ....Land, Land, let me check my paper here....ahhh yes, a 
Land Rover....made in ...(shuffle of papers,farts, etc..) oh yes, in 
England it says here, and we also sell Volvo's. What were you interested 
in? "   Well, I may be a country boy, but guys like this should really be 
cleaning toilets and serving burgers a McDonalds.!
    -- I'm ready for the flames--

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:15:37 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: land rover height

matt wrote:
: could somone with fairly new springs in an 88 tell me how high the 
: roof is in the rear? I just put the body on mine last night and its 
: measures 6'8" and looks like a grasshopper or something... 
: I think its about three inches too tall because of my new 
: springs/military shackles and overload shocks but I need a height 
: to use as a reference.

My '65 88" got new springs and mil shackles in early September and it's 6'7"
(197.8cm) tall to the roof (*not* the sun sheet--that's higher).  It was about
6'8" right after I replaced the springs, but they settled quickly.  I don't
remember the distances off the bump stop before ore after settling (no
scientist, I), but I do recall they went down an inch there (of course)--hence
the reduced roof height.  My wingtops were at the same height as a new stock 90
when checked at the dealership (or Rover 'ship as the youth around here say)
after the settling.

The funny thing was that the beams across my carport are at about 6'81/2", so
when I first took it out after the springs, I had a "tight spot", but in the
end, the top of one of the bubbles over the vents in the roof just barely kissed
the beam.  Now I can only go in as far as the rear work lamps, as they're above
said beam.

C

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:16:13 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: land rover height

I forgot to mention I'm running 235/85R16 tires.

C

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:23:28 -0500
From: "Jeffrey A. Berg" <jberg@hearstnewmedia.com>
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover

Uncle Muddy contributes:

> Jeff I believe you should be proud owner of an AMC Gremlin I saw the
>otherday. It was even purple!

>From Kenosha Wisconsin, home of... (You would have had to have been a Steve
Dahl Show--Chicago DJ--listener in the early eighties to understand this
lead-in.)

Anyhow a friend of mine used to hop-up Gremlins for use at the local drag
strip. (This too was in Chicago.) I've been full-on,
foot-to-the-floor--sideways in a Gremlin more times than you've been buried
up to your oversized tires in sticky goo John--but even in tantalizing
purple I ain't gonna own one.

That same friend once totaled an AMC Pacer (don't ask me, it must be a
mental illness). It was three years old and a flying rock cracked the rear
"bubble" glass. Cost to replace that piece was greater than the entire
value of the car.

The search goes on!

jab

==
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:26:01 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: land rover height

> I forgot to mention I'm running 235/85R16 tires.

Chris which road wheels are you running (which width, tubes or no tubes)
and if you have a bonnet mounted spare can you see over it?

I'd like to fit the same ones on my 88 SIII

H

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:26:42 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK...

cleaning toilets and serving burgers a McDonalds.!
>    -- I'm ready for the flames--
>Con Seitl
>1973 III 88 "Pig"

Not,surely,both at the same time?

Mike Rooth

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From: "Richard Marsden"<rmarsden@digicon-egr.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:28:46 +0000
Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK...

I thought that that was what they did in MaccyDees?

Richard

M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk on 12/12/97 03:26:42 PM

Please respond to lro@playground.sun.com

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Subject:  Re: Gay bashing in the UK...

cleaning toilets and serving burgers a McDonalds.!
>    -- I'm ready for the flames--
>Con Seitl
>1973 III 88 "Pig"
Not,surely,both at the same time?
Mike Rooth

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 07:48:42 -0800
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: land rover height

I'm runing the original 6.5x16 wheels--although 7x16s are "on the list".
I can see over the bonnet.  I find I only loose about two feet of visibility
with the tire on.  Right now, however, I'm running the tire on the rear door
because I moved the mount, so I have some holes to hide!

I'm running tubes in three wheels.  I wanted them, but the tire shop talked me
out of them when I got a flat fixed, and then when I got the spare tire (I
originally had a 6.5x16 spare).

C

Herman L. Stude wrote:
> > I forgot to mention I'm running 235/85R16 tires.
> Chris which road wheels are you running (which width, tubes or no 
> tubes) and if you have a bonnet mounted spare can you see over it?
> I'd like to fit the same ones on my 88 SIII

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:54:08 -0800
From: "Con P. Seitl" <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK...

Mike Rooth wrote:
> cleaning toilets and serving burgers a McDonalds.!
> >    -- I'm ready for the flames--
> >Con Seitl
> >1973 III 88 "Pig"
> Not,surely,both at the same time?

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> Not,surely,both at the same time?
> Mike Rooth

Isn't it just about the same thing???

Con Seitl
1973 III 88 "Pig"

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:08:23 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK...

 cleaning toilets and serving burgers a McDonalds.!
>> Not,surely,both at the same time?
>> Mike Rooth

>Isn't it just about the same thing???
>> Mike Rooth
...Sobering thought...:-)

Mike Rooth

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:10:12 -0500
Subject: Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover

Hopped-iup Gremlin:

Personally, i can think of no worse fate than to be in one of those little
nightmares with an overbuilt engine...

That wretched little design simply was too close-coupled to be able to
handle anything other than the arthritic lawnmower that was under its
bonnet.

Sideways? No doubt of that!

               aj"Give me a '67 Chevy any day..."r

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:57:50 -0500
From: "M.Gaines" <MikeGaines1@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Rick Valentino pissed off

Sorry rick, didn't know you were a salesman. 8^)
Mike Gaines

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:42:50 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Ammeter
[digester: Removing section of:  Content-Type: message/rfc822 ]

Dear All;

So I bought an ammeter (new Lucas) to fit the 2 1/16" hole in my lower
dash from PO.  Its instructions say to attach one lead to starter
solenoid the other to the alternator (SIII).  Charlie @ RN says that
this will only register charging current not draining.  Therefore, for
the instrument to function properly I must get the brown push in wire
that goes from the starter solenoid to the "rest of the car" (Charlie's
words) attach it to the ammeter then go from the ammeter back to the
starter solenoid.

I'm new at this stuff, anyone got any ideas, comments, etc.

Herman

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From: Mark Sullivan <marks@dataflowsys.com>
Subject: At last something worth reading!
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:56:02 -0500

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: land rover height
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:00:20 -0800

I just walked out into the parking lot and measured a friends '69 88
(springs about a year old)

At the center of the rear, not including the reinforcing ridges, it was
191.5 cm tall or 75.39 inches.
It is sitting on Michelin 7.00 R15 tires (15 inch wheels)
It was listing slightly to port at the time :-)

Paul Quin
Victoria, BC  Canada

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	matt [SMTP:nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu]
>Sent:	Friday, December 12, 1997 8:48 AM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	land rover height

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>matt
>actually it looks kind of cool... ;)

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: 67 Chevy (was 2nd vehicle)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:13:17 -0800

>  aj"Give me a '67 Chevy any day..."r<

Weren't 67 Nova's known to have their rear window pop out of the frame
when the body twists under the torque of a big engine??

Paul.

>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com [SMTP:Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com]
>Sent:	Friday, December 12, 1997 8:10 AM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Re: 2nd Vehicles (was Re: Series burn out cure?)--Little Rover

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>Sideways? No doubt of that!
>               aj"Give me a '67 Chevy any day..."r

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:29:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Landy Music

At 05:22 PM 12/11/97, you wrote:
>I don't know Fortress but I know Skrewdriver is a bit more non-PC than
>Zappa. Screwdriver is (or at least used to be) a British Skinhead/Nazi
 
That is a bit more non-PC than Zappa...  And a lot more non-PC than I would
ever play.  

[I was going to insert a nasty comment skinheads/neo-nazis and intelligence
(or lack there of) but I won't, because I don't want to start a flame war on
a topic that is personally distressing.]

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:41:45 -0500
From: "Christopher A. Glaves" <cglaves@erols.com>
Subject: It's cold...

Everyone wants more heat in their truck, and rightly so, but is it really
that cold outside?  Damn right it is and how do I know?

See the latest modification - An External Temperature Gauge

http://www.cs.odu.edu/~glaves/chris/tempgauge/

Chris

Christopher A. Glaves                                  KF4UYO

'97 Land Rover Defender 90 #263
'78 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40
Come see it all at --> http://www.erols.com/cglaves/rover.html
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/5274716

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:00:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu
Subject: Re: land rover height

Yes I forgot to mention that I'm runing 7h78 or something like that, they
are shorter than 7*15 tires, so I suppose if I go to 16 inch rims or
higher 15" tires my ride will be even higher, maybe it will reach 7'!!!
Anyway that is not my intention, I was just shocked by how high it looks
now that it's getting all put together...

On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Christopher H. Dow wrote:

> I forgot to mention I'm running 235/85R16 tires.
> C

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:43:25 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code

At 08:44 AM 12/12/97, matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> wrote:
:I may be wrong but I've been told its really a redish khaki, that
:sometimes looks pink, at least when you are out of a desert environment,
:(like the old khaki trousers the US army had that were called"pinks")
:I don't think there is any specific paint # for the mix, ive seen
:several pictures of desert vehicles painted in this scheme and they all
:varied in hue. I think they just mix a light sand color with a bit of
:red until it looks faintly pink...

 Matt, you're probably right.  This would be the same technique as
 used to create a Deep Bronze Green in the green camouflage scheme
 for Land Rovers by mixing 4 parts Flat O.D. Green and 1 part Flat
 Black.  SAS Pink Panther is probably a similar concoction.

-Michael
  

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From: DEFENDER@ibm.net
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:04:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Ammeter

Would whoever posted the information on the insatllation of an aux tank
under their seat send it to me?  I accidnetally deleted it.

Thanx,

William PIttman

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:03:02 -0500
Subject: Re: 67 Chevy (was 2nd vehicle)

>  aj"Give me a '67 Chevy any day..."r<
Weren't 67 Nova's known to have their rear window pop out of the frame
when the body twists under the torque of a big engine??
Paul.

Not my BelAir, though - I seem to have this affection for land yachts.....

Thatr damn BelAir weighed almost as much as a Rangie and was aqua with a
black interior.

They don't get much uglier than that....but it was cheap.

                    aj"Ah, a 2-speed transmission..."r

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:20:55 -0800
From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code

I had another thought on the pink panthers...

I've noticed they look more pink when out of a drab brown environment
than when they are in it. when they are in the desert it seems as though
they are more tan, probably some optical effect. The same effect that
makes the paint scheme so effective.

anyway I have pics in several books of them and all the color photos
seemed to be printed to favor the reddish hues, thus enhancing the
pinkish effect, they may be even less pink than they seem in printed
material.

same effect when you appear greenish when photographed in flourescent
light, it confused the developer...

So your best bet would be to mix it to your own tastes, it seems thats
the way a lot of camo is done in the army
matt

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:21:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Russ Wilson <rwilson@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: Beavers&Winches oh my...

>>I'll be needing to unload a winch .... the widow down the street had a huge
>>sale... this old winch. I didn't know if I would need a winch...It has
>>the name
>>beaver cast in the front
>> If anyone has information on a "beaver" winch, I'd like to hear more
>>about it.
>I'm not going to touch this one with a ten foot pole...
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>later
>DaveB.
So let me get this straight....The widow has a huge something or other...
You're not sure if you need a winch to get the beaver?  How big is huge??
Then Dave pops in with his ten foot pole, which I don't care to see.  This
is all very odd and disturbing.  If this beaver winch does in fact work I'm
sure Dave would be interested in a picture or two.  Keep us all posted

Russ Wilson
Leslie Bittner

Fort Pitt Land Rover Group
Pittsburgh, Pa.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:40:41 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Tyre on bonnet

I smell a new thread starting here - the pro's and cons of tyres on
bonnets.

Personally I think it's a matter of taste and style, rather than
visibility vectors - an 88 look's (IMHO) right with a tyre on both the
bonnet and the back door.

I have renovated three rovers, all of which had holes in the rear door
for the spare mount, all of which were placed in the lower half of the
door, so if the spare is mounted, the tow-hook has to be removed - was
this a "standard" bluff from solihull, or just a danish peculiarity?

I've refitted mine to the top half of the door - makes locking the rear
door tricky, but who locks a rover anyway?

I have two thypes of bonnet mount - two with two bolts and lugs which
hook over the inside of the wheel hole, and one which also has a pin
which locates through one of the six bolt-holes in the wheel, and can
be  retained with a tractor split pin. This is much safer, as I have
found the bonnet lugs work loose so that abrupt baking may shoot the
spare of the 88 and onto the ford-fiasco in front - which would probably
be a write-off for the ford. Now I'm going to make the pin thing for the
other two.

I have also wondered if a bonnet spare acts as a sort of "airbag" - any
opinions out there?

In the end it is a matter of beauty being in the eye of the beholder - I
think a tyreless bonnet looks "wrong" - and after 15 years, I've sort of
gotten used to the field of view - after all it may take a foot or two,
but the sheer height of the driving seat adds an extra foot or two. And
who wants to see whats 3 feet in front of the car anyway - for an
effective reaction/braking time at a distance of three feet, you would
have to maintain a speed not higher than 10 mph - but then, for the 88
diesel..... :)

What sayeth ye all?

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:43:26 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Ammeter

I don't have the circuit in my head - but there is one essential fact to
remember - amperage can only be measured in series, voltage in parallel
(unless you use a coil - but that's splitting hairs).

So for an ammeter to read anything, it must be in series with the
circuit - or is there a roverly exception which I have overseen?

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 14:45:38 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Ammeter

Herman L. Stude wrote:
> X-AIGFROM: <Mail Delivery Subsystem>
> X-AIGTO: <hermans@krts.com>
> X-AirNote: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:36:57 -0600
> From: Mail Delivery Subsystem
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> Subject: Returned Mail:  Host unknown.
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> I'm new at this stuff, anyone got any ideas, comments, etc.
> Herman
He's right!
  john and Muddy

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 10:42:52 -0800
From: Michael Carradine <cs@landrover.net>
Subject: Re: SAS Pink Panther Colour Code

At 01:20 PM 12/12/97, matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu> wrote:
:I had another thought on the pink panthers...
:
:I've noticed they look more pink when out of a drab brown environment
:than when they are in it. when they are in the desert it seems as though
:they are more tan, probably some optical effect. The same effect that
:makes the paint scheme so effective.
:
:anyway I have pics in several books of them and all the color photos
:seemed to be printed to favor the reddish hues, thus enhancing the
:pinkish effect, they may be even less pink than they seem in printed
:material.
:
:same effect when you appear greenish when photographed in flourescent
:light, it confused the developer...
:
:So your best bet would be to mix it to your own tastes, it seems thats
:the way a lot of camo is done in the army

 Thanks again!  I heard a Panther is owned and for sale by Jim Pappas
 at one of the dealerships in the East.  Probably many members of the
 Bay State Rover Club have seen it and could offer their opinion.

-Michael

 www.landrover.net

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:59:46 -0800
From: tc971613@student.paisley.ac.uk (Timothy Coles)
Subject: Bryan Adams

Bryan Adams drives a matt green 100" hybrid with a tuned 200TDI, 33 or
35inch tyres, difflocks and a very loud stereo.
It was built by the same people who built International Off-Roader's
hybrid TEW 78X.  If you get hold of the Defender Gold Portfolio from
Brooklands you can read an IOR test of it.  It is plastered all over one
of his albums, can't remember the name, which you can probably find in a
decent record shop.  I don't think any of his songs are about LRs but
you could try "Waking up the Neighbours" for diesel owners who have to
make early starts.

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From: Paul Quin <Paul_Quin@pml.com>
Subject: RE: Tyre on bonnet
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 11:08:04 -0800

I too think that a Rover looks best with a tyre on the bonnet.  

I do think that it limits visibility - mostly when off-roading when you
*do* need to see what is 3 feet in front of the vehicle...

I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must
put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc.  Any
opinions on this?

Paul Quin
1961 Series II 88
Victoria, BC  Canada

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>Sent:	Friday, December 12, 1997 10:41 AM
>To:	lro@playground.sun.com
>Subject:	Tyre on bonnet

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:47:41 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Ammeter

> He's right!
>   john and Muddy

So Muddy;

I connect the goodies like Charlie said.  Get the lead that goes from
the starter solenoid to the rest of the truck attach it to one post on
the ammeter then from the other post on the ammeter back to the starter
solenoid.  

And, assuming all is working properly and the guage reads a drain when I
start up do I reverse the two wires on the ammeter? The instructions
that came with it said to do this when attaching to the alternator and
starter solenoid. To get it to read properly.

O.K. I'll give it a try.  From the office of redundancy.

Thanks

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From: "John McMaster" <john.chia@mail.ndirect.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:01:52 +0000
Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet

> In the end it is a matter of beauty being in the eye of the beholder - I
> think a tyreless bonnet looks "wrong" - and after 15 years, I've sort of
> gotten used to the field of view - after all it may take a foot or two,

> but the sheer height of the driving seat adds an extra foot or two. And
> who wants to see whats 3 feet in front of the car anyway - for an
> effective reaction/braking time at a distance of three feet, you would
> have to maintain a speed not higher than 10 mph - but then, for the 88
> diesel..... :)

I would never put a tyre on my bonnet.  It may take out 3 foot
visibilty on a flat road, but try cresting a hill off road and see
what difference it makes !  Also doesn`t help I run 33/12.5s .....

john
______________________
John McMaster
john@chiaroscuro.co.uk

green/purple 110/Massey Ferguson

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 12:08:14 -0800 (PST)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: RE: Tyre on bonnet

Paul said:

>I do think that it limits visibility - mostly when off-roading when you
>*do* need to see what is 3 feet in front of the vehicle...

I like to carry a spare on the bonnet as well.  I often don't though for
several reasons.  When off-roading I usually take it off and leave it in
camp or throw it in the rear due to its limiting visibility of my right
front corner and view over sharp rises, both of which are critical off-road.
On the road it's fine except in hot weather (of which we have quite a lot)
because it seems to restrict the airflow into the all-important cowl vents.

Now that I've gone to 265/75R16 BFG MTs on the ground, I need a 7.50R16 for
a spare if I'm going to carry it on the bonnet.  I don't want to buy a new
tire for a spare that'll probably never be used and don't think my chances
of finding a used 7.50R16 are very good.  It's hard enough to find one new
any more.

>I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must
>put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc.  Any
>opinions on this?

It definitely does.  I think the rear door needs a third hinge and some
reinforcement as well to handle the weight of a spare.  I plan to do this
eventually so I can carry a big spare when I want to that matches what's on
the ground.  When I do, I will certainly move the mount up enough to clear
the hitch.  I made a mistake doing this on another Rover.  I moved the mount
up what I thought was plenty.  I could pull a trailer with the tire on but
had to remove it every time I hitched/unhitched.  On the other hand, I don't
want to move it up any more than I have to because it restricts rearward
vision and access to the door handle.

Cheers,

Granny who often carries his spare on the roof rack!

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:27:46 -0800
From: MATT <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet inexpensive tire source

I found a site that sells tires for restoration and mil.surplus
vehicles, I called them once about 7.5*16s and they were in the $60
range new ndt tube type...

they also have 6, 7 ad 7.5* 15
last I knew

they were all at good prices though I've never dealt with them.

it might be a good source for a cheap spare

matt
oh try coker tire too for the same thing and a better web site

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:33:18 -0800
From: MATT <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet inexpensive tire source

OK i'm an idiot

Here is the source i meantto include in my last post...

http://www.wallacewade.com/

matt

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From: "Ron Beckett" <hillman@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re:Burnout
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 20:54:31 +1100

Paul G. wrote:

>Remember you didn't get the beast because it goes fast, looks sleek,
>or attracts super models.

Hell!  I did.  I knew I should have bought somethin' else!  My Hillman
doesn't and I hoped a Rover would.

Regards,

Ron Beckett
Emu Plains, NSW, Australia

'86 Range Rover 4.6L auto (The Last Aquila)
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660 1725cc manual
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle 1725cc manual

check my home page at 
http://www.users.bigpond.com/hillman for Hillman and Rover

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:11:38 -0800 (PST)
From: gpool@pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Re: inexpensive tire source

Matt,

>I found a site that sells tires for restoration and mil.surplus
>vehicles, I called them once about 7.5*16s and they were in the $60
>range new ndt tube type...

I think you missed my point.  I want a Radial 7.50x16 which is why I 
said 7.50R16 not 7.50x16.  Thanks for the thought, all the same!

Granny

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Date: 	Fri, 12 Dec 1997 09:23:01 -1000
From: Wayne Haight <whaight@hawaii.edu>
Subject: Re: Burnout

> Paul G. wrote:
> >Remember you didn't get the beast because it goes fast, looks sleek,
> >or attracts SUPER MODELS.

Somewhere in my collection of misc. Land Rover articles I have a story
about a guy who charmed a super model BECAUSE he had a Land Rover. Seems
she was used to being wined and dined by Ferrari types, and this guy
takes her on a picnic in his Series IIA and she was totally impressed
and charmed... (you can fill in the rest0

Never has happened to me, but it might (yeah and monkeys might fly out 
my butt).

-- 
Wayne R. Haight
Senior Fisheries Research Specialist
Joint Institute for Marine and Atmospheric Research
2570 Dole Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96822

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:17:39 -0500
From: Tom Coron <tcoron@nswc.navy.mil>
Subject: Tyre on Bonnet

Hi All:

The tyre on the bonnet helps make the LR identifiable from a
greater distance on the road, but is a great disadvantage when
approaching a drop off when off road. I'm ordering the
bits necessary to mount it behind the bulkhead. I already have
the piece that's attached to the bulkhead and is IMHO, grossly
overpriced @ about $180 in the catalogs.

Tom Coron
King George, Va
66 IIA SWB RHD ( Slime Green )

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Date: 12 Dec 1997 16:30:04 -0400
From: "LT J Jackson" <lt_j_jackson@unixlink.uscga.edu>
Subject: Maine Winter Romp

The dates for the Maine Winter Romp have been posted on the RN bulletin board.
 It's going to be 14-15 February in Unity, Maine.   The point of contact for
this event is Bruce Fowler at joyful@uninets.net or 207-453-9074.  

I've read about this thing in the RN newsletter and it looks like fun, so I'm
planning to go.  If anyone's interested in caravaning up there, let me know. 
Safety (or at least more spare parts) in numbers, and all that.  I'm in CT on
I-95, but we could meet up anywhere in CT, RI or eastern Massachusetts.

Jeff Jackson
73 SIII 88
Waterford, CT

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 15:40:19 -0600
From: "Herman L. Stude" <hermans@krts.com>
Subject: Re: Tyre on Bonnet

Tom Coron wrote:

> Hi All:
> The tyre on the bonnet helps make the LR identifiable from a
> greater distance on the road, but is a great disadvantage when
> approaching a drop off when off road. I'm ordering the
> bits necessary to mount it behind the bulkhead. I already have
> the piece that's attached to the bulkhead and is IMHO, grossly
> overpriced @ about $180 in the catalogs.

Tom;

It's a great piece of gear if you can spare the space in the cargo
area.  My spare sits on the bonnet in the city and behind the bulkhead
when off roading!!!

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From: Solihull@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 16:54:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re:  Re: Series burn out cure?

>>We're talking a resistance of about .25 ohms at 30-odd amps - a wire coil
from a Diesel Rover would do you.

Yeah! now *there's* some Rover content to go with the old P6 badge I put on
the grille. Thanks Alan!

Cheers!!
John Dillingham
near Canton, GA
KF4NAS     LROA #1095
73 s3 swb 25902676b DD "Pansy"
72 s3 swb 25900502a rusted, in suspended animation
Looking for a P5 project, well, OK, or a P6 or another SD1
Vintage Rover Service, since 1994, where we say:
Land Rovers for Agriculture!
Land Rovers for Industry!
Land Rovers for Recreation!
Land Rovers forever!! D.V.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:38:25 -0400
From: john cranfield <john.cranfield@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Maine Winter Romp

LT J Jackson wrote:
> The dates for the Maine Winter Romp have been posted on the RN bulletin board.
>  It's going to be 14-15 February in Unity, Maine.   The point of contact for
> this event is Bruce Fowler at joyful@uninets.net or 207-453-9074.
> I've read about this thing in the RN newsletter and it looks like fun, so I'm
> planning to go.  If anyone's interested in caravaning up there, let me know.
> Safety (or at least more spare parts) in numbers, and all that.  I'm in CT on

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 12 lines)]
> I-95, but we could meet up anywhere in CT, RI or eastern Massachusetts.
> Jeff Jackson
Jeff I've been to the Romp since it started and it's a hoot. Be sure to 
go. I can't convoy with you as I'll be coming from the other direction.
     John and Muddy ( who enjoys a good romp)

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From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: Series Music!!
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:46:13 GMT

A song just popped into my head that seems appropriate for all Series 
owners (and some newer LR's too probably!). It is also a great manta for 
Series owners to chant on just about any drive:
"Keep on Running"
Cheers,
Mat.

Mathew & Bertha ('68 SWB SIIA 2.25 petrol)
                   #=====#      
                   |___|__\___   
                   | _ |   |_ |} 
                   "(_)""""(_)"  
                             

______________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs

At 07:52 AM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I agree with this post much more than the last :")

 
Contrary to popular opinion, I *am* human, and sometimes, for whatever
reason, (tired, sick, boss looking over shoulder, working with idiots, too
much/not enough "liquid" in my diet, etc.) I don't always say things exactly
right.  All I ask is give me the benefit of the doubt until you have a
chance to ask me to clarify. 

I suspect this could apply to most everyone on this list, and elsewhere, for
that matter...  8^)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: Gay bashing in the UK...

At 08:06 AM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>You who still think of others as faggots, niggers, kikes, dagos, and 
>whatever other terms you choose had better get your mind straight, or 
 
I double-dog-dare anyone to accurately spot who on this list is white,
black, asian, gay, straight, irish, jewish, amish, muslim, male, female,
human, android, alien, or just belly-button lint. 

Growing up in San Francisco, I was always pretty open-minded, but never
really thought about it.  Then one day I met a friend face-to-face for the
first time.  Amy Gallagher had beautiful, long, flowing black hair, lovely
skin...  and a full beard and moustache.  My other friend Robert had been
logging on as Amy and no one knew better.  

What kind of body, what particular set of beliefs, where birth took place --
none of these matter by themselves.  Yes, they may influence the actions of
an individual, but never in the same way, and there is no way anyone can
predict how someone will turn out.

All you can do is listen to what someone has to say, see what they do, and
base your opinions on *who* they are, not *what* they are.  

I have friends who are devoutly religious and friends who are strongly
athiestic.  I spend time with people who hug everyone, and people who can't
stand touching anyone.  

Most importantly, on this list, we are all Land Rover Owners, and, whatever
ever else we may be, we have at least that much going for us.

Still, let's all remember that although we share a common love/hatred of
Land Rovers, we do differ in other ways and avoid remarks that, while
perhaps not intentionally hurtful, may indeed cause others to be upset.
There are plenty of words out there (and we can always make more) so let's
just skip the ones that are derogatory to other list members.

(Yes, this is a sore subject with me -- I grew up having eggs thrown at our
house and swastikas painted on our garage (yes, in San Francisco!).  Judging
someone by skin color, sexual preference, religion, geographic background,
etc. is just plain stupid.  And if you want to flame me for that, be my
guest, just do it privately.)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: Re: a bunch of sierra club bs

At 08:00 AM 12/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>You know, I am sorry but this realy bothers me.  I complete aggree with
>what you are saying and then you insert 'rover owners'.  This is a BIG
>problem in my eyes.  I read in a recent mag that a bunch of jeepers and
 
I think that because this is a Land Rover mailing list, an awful lot of the
posts center around Land Rovers and their owners.

The original quote (which the major cut) was:

"think that we (Rover owners) should think seriously about trying to put
together some effort to control  these IDIOTIC MORONS!!"

The "idiotic morons" are the "weekend warriors" (not reservists, but the
nitwits who think they're macho by tearing up trails).  

"We" (i.e., the people on this list) are indeed Rover Owners.  I don't think
Chris was saying that responsible Jeep owners shouldn't bother trying to
control the idiots.  I think he was just trying to say the "we" was the
list-members, not "we" sierra clubbers, or whatever other "we" one might
think of.

>bikers banned together to save some of the moab/rubicon trails.  There
>were many different clubs involved with many different types of
 
There are an awful lot of very excellent and responsible 4wd clubs (both
multi-marque and single, non-lr marque) that do a lot of good.  And there
are a lot of LRO's who are also in those clubs.  Cal4WD comes to mind (Bob &
Sue Bernard) as does the Capital City Mountain Goats (? Dino Gomez, Sacto
CA).  They do great work.  I would join, but I barely have time (or working
rovers) to even go on Rover Club trips.

Yes, jeep (and Jeep) clubs are great.  Most jeepers are great people,
responsible and environmentally conscious.  

But, this list is about Land Rovers, so there is a natural tendency towards
discussing and favoring Land Rovers.  (not to mention poking fun at Jeeps
and such.)

>but....I think that saving trails/our reputations is a job that we all
>need to ban together to do.
 
It's something that we need to do with other marques, as LRO's, and
individually.  However we do it, (and the more the merrier,) what's
important is that we do it, and concentrate on letting the general public
know that there are a few *idiots* out there, but most of us are okay.

P.S., as for making fun of Jeeps & Jeep Owners, I'm sure they do the same to
us.  Atari users make fun of Commodore users who make fun of Apple users,
and everyone makes fun of bosses, but nobody really means anything by it.
It used to be that the Polish were fair game (my Father's hometown is now
part of Poland) and now even blondes get upset about blonde jokes.  I love
Rovers, I like Jeeps, I own Atari's and Commodores and Apples, but heck, I
even make jokes about Land Rovers.

P.P.S., all that niceness above, however, does *not* apply to my brother the
a**hole or his Jeep.  He sucks.  But he's not representative of Jeep Owners.
Just A**holes.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK...

At 01:51 PM 12/12/97 PST, you wrote:
>For christ's sake, Mike only referred to a car salesman as a 'simpering 
>faggot', he didn't insult anyone on this list (he didn't call one of us a 
>faggot). In the red blooded world of landy ownership in the UK Mike's 
>language was rather restrained. I believe that cat recipies and the like are 
>far more likely to cause mass offence. If Mike gets thrown off the list for 
>such a minor thing then the list has become very sad. A little political 
>incorrectness doesn't hurt.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>referred to, NOT what you expect when you're looking at the toughest 
>4x4xFar)
 
The implication here is that gays ("faggots") are not strong, "red blooded",
tough people.  That is not only completely untrue, but a rather offensive
concept.  I know plenty of gay men who would be happy to sweep the floor
with you for such a remark.  

For that matter, I would think of a Land Rover as a rather effeminite
off-roader, especially when compare to something like a Dodge RAM 3500 (what
my sister wants.)  So you "red blooded" landy owners (can anything ending in
"-y" be macho?) keep in mind that in the US you're (we're) just a bunch of
wimps.  

Now, if any of you LR owners really think you're macho, give my sister a
ring and see whether or not she says you're wimpy.  I'll bet y'all won't
make the cut.  

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK...

At 02:00 PM 12/12/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Yes, I think the reaction was a bit over the top, and I had to go back and
>reread the original email to see what the complaints were on about.
 
A lot of people who have dealt with a lot of sh*t from ingorant yutzes get
even more upset when such comments come from people they consider friends.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:05:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: RE: Gay bashing in the UK...

At 02:14 PM 12/12/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I always thought a faggot was a small meatball from the north of England
 
Well, the word "faggot" has quite a few definitions, but context indicated
the (currently, alas) most common usage: a derogatory term for a homosexual.  

>proportion - we must balance the protection against offence, against the
>right to free speech (something I understand they're big on in the states).

Certainly, one has the right to say (and think) anything one wants.
However, there are those that find certain terms and ideas unpleasant or
offensive.  So, the option is either 1) refrain from using terms that offend
others or 2) lose the participation of those others.  

As this is a Land Rover list, I personally welcome the input of *everyone*,
so a little more care picking words seems a small price to pay for full
participation

(Although a round, gravy-covered salesman is a rather funny image.)

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: land rover height
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:59:58 -0700

Matt,

the number you need to determine is the distance between you bump stop
plate on the rear axle and the bump stop. In a standard S '88 it should be
approx. 5inches. From there the hight of your body will be determined by
how you remounted it. 

Considering that you have used military springs and shackles I recomend you
check you manuale. This may effect the distance I spoke of. However, Shocks
will have little or no barring on ride hight unless they are too short! 

I feel you pain, I put new leafs all around on my SIII and have noticed the
reverse of your problem. I look like an LA "low rider" sometimes. I'm told
that from the factory Land Rover springs are built with an ACCEPTABLE
varriance of Three inches ride hight up or down / side to side. So go
figure???

Yours'

K. John Wood
Event Co- Solihull Society

----------
> From: matt <nelsml73@snyoneva.cc.oneonta.edu>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: land rover height
> Date: Friday, December 12, 1997 9:47 AM
> could somone with fairly new springs in an 88 tell me how high the roof

	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
> matt
> actually it looks kind of cool... ;)

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From: "K. John Wood" <jwrover@colo-net.com>
Subject: Re: i want a winch!!!!!!
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 14:53:11 -0700

Dave,

I liked the idea of a capstan winch as well until I was able to see one in
action. I really feel that they are best for the smaller SI vehicles. As
well, they are kinda" tricky to use if you are a novice wincher. You will
spend a long time in the muck yourself triing to get started!

I recomend the Ramsey simply for price/cost reasons. When you get to the
level of Warn, Superwinch, Ramsey...unless you are runnig the Camel Trophy
on a regular basis you are going to be hard pressed to notice the
difference. I assume you are in the US, here you can get an 8000LB or
9000LB Ramsey unit out of a catalogue for around $400.00 with 95ft of line
and a fairlead. As for mounting I would recomend you contact Frank Jakos at
Concourse Cars, Colorado Springs. He has designed a mounting plate that
fits right down on the fram rales and accounts for the "funny" notch in the
frame. 719-473-6288 approx. $50.00 - $100.00 for the plate.

Yours'

K. John Wood
Event Co- Solihull Society

----------
> From: DHW4U <DHW4U@aol.com>
> To: lro@playground.sun.com
> Subject: i want a winch!!!!!!
> Date: Thursday, December 11, 1997 4:22 PM
> advice welcome on winch for my 88 lla i would like advice on capstain i

like
> the idea
> but do not have winch experiance also am willing to buy complete unit 
> thanks 
> dave walls
> 65 lla 88 (Land Chaser)  

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:23:49
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: non-L-R; Brit Military Question

Back when everyone was getting into the old gun/no gun discussion
there seemed to be alot of people that had the skinny on military
hardware.
Does anyone know what a heliograph is? I'm reading _The War of the
Worlds_ again and it's mentioned. From context it would seem to some
type of signaling device. This would be late 19th century England.
Sorry about the non-L-R content but it _is_ about something British
and I bet someone in this group will know the answer. 
Best, Dave in Va.
PS...in re: "Gay Bashing"-If some people were a bit more sensitive and 
some a bit less then the world would function a bit more smoothly.
(but even then, your rear X-member would still need replacing)

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From: "T. F. Mills" <tomills@odin.cair.du.edu>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 18:14:21 +0000
Subject: Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question (heliograph)

  David Kurzman writes:

[ Does anyone know what a heliograph is? I'm reading _The War of the
[ Worlds_ again and it's mentioned. From context it would seem to some
[ type of signaling device. This would be late 19th century England.
[ Sorry about the non-L-R content but it _is_ about something British
[ and I bet someone in this group will know the answer. 

Have you tried a dictionary?  ;) It's a mirror mounted on a tripod
for military signalling using sun rays -- slightly more
sophisticated than a simple piece of glass or mirror.  It wasn't
just British; all the western nations used it, especially in sunny
regions (e.g. the British in India, the Middle East, South Africa;
the U.S. against the Indians in the West).  By the advent of Land
Rover, military signallers had come up with more sophisticated
stuff.

T.F. Mills
tomills@du.edu                 http://www.du.edu/~tomills
University of Denver Library, Denver, Colorado 80208, USA

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 19:23:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@ricochet.net>
Subject: RE: Tyre on bonnet

At 11:08 AM 12/12/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I too think that a Rover looks best with a tyre on the bonnet.  
 
Me too.

>I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must
>put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc.  Any
>opinions on this?
 
I have seen an awful lot of doors hereabouts that have been strengthened by
putting diamond plate over the back and a third hinge added in the middle.  
 
P.S., if I were really worried about the visibility, I would toss it on the
roof or in the back when off-highway.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger@sinasohn.com                           that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 02:59:20 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet, wobbly back doors and all things rusting

I have rebuilt four rear doors, and they ALL had a fracture in the
frame, about half way down on the hinge side - just where the "middle"
hinge should be. In fact, it is reasonably easy to fit an extra hinge -
I have done this on one of my Series III's - this helps incredibly.

My frames were so rough around the bottom and by the fracture, that I
had new profiles bent, using a thicker steel plate, which also helps.

Moving the spare wheel to the top half of the bottom half of the door -
as opposed to the bottom half of the bottom half (is there an easier way
of saying this??) makes for a less wobbly door, as the weight is evenly
distributed between the hinges, and more importantly, level with the
part of the door which you grab/pull/slam - which is what actually
stresses a wheel-weighted door.

If the door is solid, the wheel is not too much of a problem, but if the
frame is rusty, and the cladding loose, then corrosion and stress will
quickly fold it in half. Seperating the aluminium (aluminum) and steel
(steel) with a thick coat of rust paint, silicone mastic,
self-amalgamating tape or a combination of these is a sure help to
minimise corrosion between these dissimilar metals. This is a method
which i have applied with all door rebuilds, and with great success - ok
it takes a day to completely rebuild a single door, but it's worth it.

Currently I'm looking at solutions for preventing the in-built rust
which always appears on the inside, by the top hinge of the front doors
top window sections. OK these are cheap to change, but the design itself
has many failings - it is a rust/water/waspsnest trap beyond
comprehension. I have several old door tops - must be about 4 or 5
assorted lefts amnd rights, which have failed here - I am considering
rebuilding a set as spares, using a heavy rectangular tube box section
instead of the folded sheet metal mess - this will also reduce the
tendency to distort the outer cladding when overtightening the bolts
which hold the window section onto the door, to prevent rattle.

My other "favourite" rust/corrosion spot is behind the lower seat-belt
mountings, where the seat-podium marries with the sill and the front of
the tub. I have previously rebuilt the podium side panels, and the
toolbox, with galvanised sheet steel, paying due attention to separation
where the new galv. meets the old aluminium. So far (5 years) no
problem. I think that water and dirt is an essential contribution to the
dissimilar metal problem - so moving the junction between these opposite
poles to a less damp and dirty fold does help.

A final note on panelling - the famous floor panels, which always fray
at the edges, have been replaced on 2 of my trucks with aluminium (6mm)
chequered deck plating - makes for less rattle, much slower corrosion
(due to a tube or three of silicon between the floorplate and the steel
faces) - though the heavier metal does get warmer from the exhaust - a
distict bonus in the winter and a drawback in the few summer days where
Denmark gets a dose of real summer. The difference in heat between
drivers side and passenger side is really noticeable.

So how about a new thread - "my favourite rust/corrosion spot on a
series - and the proven cure"

cheers

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:03:47 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet

At 1.90 metres with a driving seat which doesn't resemble a hospital
mattress, I have to duck my head to see out of the window, so the hill 
crest which is obscured by my spare wheel needs to be on something like
a 65 degree gradient.

But then - like John I would never carry a spare tyre on the bonnet of
my Massey Ferguson - even if it is green and purple. :)

Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:07:04
From: David Kurzman <kurzman@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question (heliograph)

  David Kurzman writes:

[ Does anyone know what a heliograph is? I'm reading _The War of the
[ Worlds_ again and it's mentioned. From context it would seem to some
[ type of signaling device. This would be late 19th century England.
[ Sorry about the non-L-R content but it _is_ about something British
[ and I bet someone in this group will know the answer. 

Have you tried a dictionary?  ;) It's a mirror mounted on a tripod
for military signalling using sun rays -- slightly more
sophisticated than a simple piece of glass or mirror.  It wasn't
just British; all the western nations used it, especially in sunny
regions (e.g. the British in India, the Middle East, South Africa;
the U.S. against the Indians in the West).  By the advent of Land
Rover, military signallers had come up with more sophisticated
stuff.
T.F. Mills

Not in my dictionary. And hey, Thanks alot! I knew someone would know this
one. Best, Dave
PS...My imagination had conjured up some type of carbon arc spotlights
beaming Morse code off of the clouds as the Martian tripods devastate
the English countryside. I can hear the Martians now (in reference to 
their magnificent tripod engines of destruction); "You want 'off-road',
Buddy, I got your 'off-road' hanging!" (as the Black Smoke flows).

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 03:17:32 +0100
From: Adrian Redmond <121407237875@tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Tyres on back doors and other towhook tricks

The trick to maintaining rear door handle access behind a door-mounted
spare wheel, is having a standoff (stood-off?) wheel - the wheel
actually covers the lock and handle when viewed from behind, but the
stand-off gives adequate room for a hand or two, as it's just where tyre
wall "curves".

I don't know if my rear door mount is standard stuff, or just a locally
built gizmo, but its a thick (6mm) steel plate which matches the space
between the door ribs, with three long threaded studs which protrude
rearwards through the door. On the outside is a similar plate with
matching holes. Sandwiched between the two is a rubber "gasket on both
sides, siliconed to prevent it stiocking to the paint. The whole shabang
is held together by a steel loop which looks like a "U" bolt, and which
goes through the centre of the wheel mount and through the plates. The
plates are also fixed, sandwiching the frame ribs and cladding, with 16
x 1/4" bolts. The three studs have inverted lug nuts which allow
controll of the distance between door and tyre, and 3 lug nuts which
hold the tyre on. Between inside nuts and wheel is a circular steel
plate with three countersunk holes for the inside lugnuts, and a big
hole in the middle for the u-bolt, which sticks out and is useful for
supporting the wheel when mounting it. A LR wheel cover completes the
job.

I decided to change my tow-hook arrangement, and bought a welsh gizmo
which is popular here in Denmark - which allows the hook to be moved up
or down between 5 different heights, or even taken off and put inside to
prevent theiving. the hook sits on a heavy galv, U-channel, which is
held to a heavy bracket on the cross-member by a thick peg with a split
pin to keep it in. It is really easy to buy/make new U-plates, so you
can have different hooks - I am making one which can use a pin drop -
like on a tractor - so I can move my farm trailer with a rover. I also
have plans to make a special low-angle camera-platform and cameramans
seat, so I can mount a TV camera off the back of a LR, using the
tow-hith mount and the semi-redundant hinges for the rear-pickup flap.
Not so legal on the road but worth it for a good shot, and better than
my present method, which involves a lot of arm-work and hanging out of
the rear.
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:18:27 -0500 (EST)
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Lightweight music

Trevor Easton wrote:

>I have noticed that one album from Bryan Adams is adorned with a somewhat
>recognizable 5 stud wheel.

One of his almums or rather, CD's (dating myself here), has a half dozen 
shots of his D-90.  He drove one of the "milestone" vehicles (#2,500,000??) 
off the assembly line at Solihull.  (Got a photo of it somewhere.)  The 
blokes on the assembly line in the background seemed a whole lot happier to 
see him than one of the usual ministry dignitaries that usually does such 
honors.  Cheers

      *---"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                  | 
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.    |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"   |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730    |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day) |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056    |
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      *---1972 Series III 88"-----1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:44:56 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question

David Kurzman wrote:

> Does anyone know what a heliograph is? I'm reading _The War of the
> Worlds_ again and it's mentioned. From context it would seem to some

A signal mirror on a tripod stand. Military designation: Heliograph, Sun
Powered, Signalling, for the purpose of. Batteries not included ;-)

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com
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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 04:52:55 +0200
From: Paul Oxley <paul@adventures.co.za>
Subject: Re: Tyre on bonnet

Paul Quin wrote:

> I too think that a Rover looks best with a tyre on the bonnet.
> I do think that it limits visibility - mostly when off-roading when you
> *do* need to see what is 3 feet in front of the vehicle...
> I have often thought the having a spare mounted on the rear door must
> put a lot of strain on the door hinges, increasing wear etc.  Any
> opinions on this?

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The spare mounted directly on the safari door is death to the hinges (even
on the Defenders with the extra hinge). Much better idea is to manufacture
a gate which you can secure directly to the frame at the bottom and the
(galvanised) support at the top - use an anti-loose pin to close it on the
other side of the door.

Regards

Paul Oxley
AfricanAdrenalin, your online African adventure specialists
http://AfricanAdrenalin.co.za & http://AfricanAdrenalin.com
into Africa adventures, your African adventure webzine
http://Adventures.co.za

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:04:17 -1000
From: Faye and Peter Ogilvie <ogilvi@hgea.org>
Subject: Re: keep the screen. 

The screen at the end of the tube keeps large pieces from getting sucked
into the lines and clogging the pickup.  Be sure that the screen is
allowing gas to pass, however.  Mine seemed to have grown a fungi that
clogs them.  I destroyed mine trying to get the gunk off.  Had to live with
largish rust flakes clogging the dip tube until they were all sucked up.
Screen does nothing for the fine gunk which causes havoc further down the
line.
Aloha Peter

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 21:25:35 -1000
From: kiotee@mcn.net (Roy Caldwell)
Subject: Re: non-L-R; Brit Military Question

The heliograph is a signaling device that was used slightly after or during
the civil war and during the indian war era.  It was a mirror set on a
tripod and flashed the mores code.  It was of course most effective in the
desert sw and was very effective.  I have seen archive photographs that
showed a signal corp team on a mesa in NM using the heliograph.  It hink the
effective distance was about 30 miles ona good sunny day.  

Roy  50 Military History Det.

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From: "Tom Dixon" <tomd@clear.net.nz>
Subject: Speedo problems
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 18:32:28 +1300

A friend of mine owns a  1973 series 3. He has a problem with the speedo it
is the second one he has had fitted and has developed the same problem. What
happens is the needle is bouncing up and down erratically. Then it may work
normally for a while. Any help would be greatly appreciated
Cheers.... Tom Dixon
ZL2UPG
79 series 3 lwb (in many pieces)
tomd@clear.net.nz

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 13:38:36 +0800 (WST)
From: Tony Yates <tonyy@pilbara.wa.bom.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Speedo problems

On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Tom Dixon wrote:

> A friend of mine owns a  1973 series 3. He has a problem with the speedo it
> is the second one he has had fitted and has developed the same problem. What
> happens is the needle is bouncing up and down erratically. Then it may work
> normally for a while. Any help would be greatly appreciated
> Cheers.... Tom Dixon

Sounds like a Genuine Part to me...   #8->

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 22:03:34 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Speedo problems

Tom Dixon wrote:

> What
> happens is the needle is bouncing up and down erratically. Then it may work
> normally for a while.

There are several possibilities.

1.  If the speedo is a secondhand unit it might need internal cleaning.  "Grease

solidification" in the mechanism can cause that.
2.  The speedo cable could be loose at either end or kinked.
3.  The worm gear at the rear output shaft could either be bad or loose.  Re
shimming of the rear output could cure it.

cheers

Jeremy

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From: SFmms <SFmms@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:36:57 EST
Subject: O/D tool Status

Hi to all that expressed an interest in the mainshaft nut (O/D) removal tool.
I am compiling an Email address list so I can keep you individually updated.
Today I delivered the loaner tool from BP and mainshaft nut to the machinists
who will be making the tool. They have a small machine shop in Chatsworth,
California (Northwest San Fernando Valley) and will be doing the work
themselves.  They will let me know next week about construction, pricing, and
delivery, and I will pass along the information to you. I will also give you
the name & telephone number of the guy to contact to order the tool, as they
don't have Email. I will not be directly involved in any arrangements for
ordering or delivery of the tools, as I am basically just another customer
trying to facilitate getting a tool of my own. I have had these people work on
my own laboratory equipment at my company and found their work to be of good
quality. 

Karen Sindir
'74 SIII 88 "Red Rufy"
'95 Disco

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From: "Charles Morris" <scimg@quiknet.com>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 01:09:10 -0800

Just for those of you out ther who are wondering what KMFDM is... It is a
fairly underground industrial/techno rock band generally listened to by the
older of the generation-Xrs out there like myself.  NPR as many of you
stated is national Public Radio.  
Cheers,
Charles
'97D90#1927

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