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1 eheite@dmv.com 26Series IIa Deluxe Seat Backs
2 NADdMD@aol.com 17Fuel pump quick fix
3 NADdMD@aol.com 16Re: Temp. Gauge Install
4 "Mathew Stace" [landyman36SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion
5 NADdMD@aol.com 25Re: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion
6 "Mathew Stace" [landyman36SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion
7 mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marc20Re: Any Computer experts out there?
8 David Russell [David_R@m8[not specified]
9 RoverNut@aol.com 32Re: No Subject
10 "DAN PRASADARAO, AIR-7.420[not specified]
11 David Cockey [dcockey@ti27Re: importing to US
12 RoverNut@aol.com 25Re: No Subject
13 mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marc18Re: importing to US
14 "James O'Brien" [obrienj471985 County questions
15 "Huub Pennings" [penning20 2x4 landy's
16 "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" 11STARTER Motors
17 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo16Re: 2x4 landy's
18 "Joost Kramer" [j.kramer20Re: 2x4 landy's
19 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 27V-8 Fun
20 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o46Re: Zeniths...(again)
21 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo20Re: Minerva or what?????
22 Michael Carradine [cs@cr31Re/2: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion
23 "Huub Pennings" [penning24 Re: 2x4 landy's
24 "Joost Kramer" [j.kramer25Re: Minerva or what?????
25 debrown@srp.gov 56V-8 Fun
26 "Huub Pennings" [penning26 Re: Minerva or what?????
27 debrown@srp.gov 51V-8 Fun
28 Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lo11Re: Minerva or what?????
29 Adrian Redmond [channel629Re: Fuel pump quick fix
30 dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.o36Re: HELP-need torque setting
31 GElam30092@aol.com 49Belize badges repost
32 Uncle Roger [sinasohn@cr18Re: CB Channels (was: Re: See You at the Downeast!)
33 Chris Dow [dow@thelen.or20Re: Series IIa Deluxe Seat Backs
34 Michael Carradine [cs@cr25Re/2: Importing to US
35 AKBLACKLEY@aol.com 20Re: V-8 Fun
36 CIrvin1258@aol.com 15Re: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion
37 Autoconv@aol.com 9Re: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion
38 RPI Engineering [rpi@pas147Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
39 "Matthew P. Martin" [mat13Re: 109 frames/ Salisbury axles for sale
40 Dixon Kenner [dkenner@nr11Re: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion
41 "Bruce Davis" [daviscar@22The Land rover experience oh what fun
42 Adrian Redmond [channel666Re: Series IIa Deluxe Seat Backs
43 Adrian Redmond [channel645Re: Series IIa Deluxe Seat Backs
44 "Christopher H. Dow" [do18Re: The Land rover experience oh what fun
45 SPYDERS@aol.com 27Re: 4x2 LRs
46 rover@pinn.net (Alexande29Hot topics
47 rover@pinn.net (Alexande33Importing
48 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett25Temp. Gauge Install
49 Michael Carradine [cs@cr29Re/21: Importing
50 "Beckett, Ron" [rbeckett60Proper operation of Coolant system on IIA 2.25 petrol
51 Daphne Lowe [lowedaph@pi15Re: Roof Tent
52 Michael Carradine [cs@cr22Re: Roof Tent
53 Pkelly@kktv.com 10The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest
54 Pkelly@kktv.com 12minerva?
55 Pkelly@kktv.com 10military 109 frames and salisbury axles
56 twakeman@scruznet.com (T19Re: Temp. Gauge Install
57 vic and janet petricka [6mail
58 pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.25TeriAnn's Overdrive Overall Overhaul


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From: eheite@dmv.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:32:53 -0500
Subject: Series IIa Deluxe Seat Backs

In a moment of weakness (and probably stupidity), I bought an aftermarket
black deluxe seat back rather than the slightly more pricey original
equipment version.

The new seat back is not drilled or tapped for the pivot bolt that allows
the seat back to fold down. Has anyone else experienced this problem? Since
I can't see the thickness and quality of the frame of the new seat, I don't
know if it is possible to tap it for the pivot bolt. How about pop-in nuts?
Any experience?

I don't want to experiment on that pristine vinyl.

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:12:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Fuel pump quick fix

Hi all,

I had to put this into the fount of knowledge.  My farrier broke down on the
freeway yesterday--fuel pump went out on his truck.  As a quick fix, he ran
the fuelline to his windshield wiper pump and drove the 40 miles home by
pushing the wiper button!

I'm keeping this one in mind....

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:15:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Temp. Gauge Install

In a message dated 97-07-01 03:45:00 EDT, you write:

 Any ideas on what I should try next?
  >>

Check the wires to make sure there's no break in them (should have 0
resistance), also, it may need a different voltage stabilizer.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 05:36:26 PDT

Last Wednesday, as I was pulling out of a junction, I brought up the 
clutch, and first gear went bang.  I put the box in second, and that 
went bang.  Sod this for a party, says I, and walk the mile and a half 
home.  I got a tow from my mother in her 2 litre SAAB (nearly killed it 
actually!), and parked up opposite my house.  That night was my first 
NERO (North East Rover Owners) Club meeting, and my mother had to take 
me in my grandmothers Ni***n Mi*ra (the humiliation).
Anyhow, to cut to the chase, I now need another gearbox, and was 
wondering if it would be viable to fit a box from a 90/110.
Would I need new axles etc. for this (I have read some where that the 
bellhousing stud patern has been the same since about 1958 or something, 
would I need a new clutch?)
I will attempt to rebuild the old 'box over the summer, depending on how 
badly damaged it is.
The IIA 'box has an overdrive, which I could sell to finance a more 
expensive later 'box if one would fit.
(UK BIT)
I currently have approx 90 UKP to spend, plus moneys from overdrive, 
would this get me a decent IIA box, or even a later one.

Thanks in advance for all your help,

Mathew & Bertha ('68 SWB SIIA 2.25 petrol station-wagon)
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From: NADdMD@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:42:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion

In a message dated 97-07-01 08:39:49 EDT, you write:

<< Anyhow, to cut to the chase, I now need another gearbox, and was 
 wondering if it would be viable to fit a box from a 90/110.
 Would I need new axles etc. for this (I have read some where that the 
 bellhousing stud patern has been the same since about 1958 or something, 
 would I need a new clutch?)
 I will attempt to rebuild the old 'box over the summer, depending on how 
 badly damaged it is. >>

WHOA!!

First thing to check is the half shafts.  I'll bet you a hex-pack of Guiness
(That's the metric conversion for a six pack) that the problem is just the
half shaft.  You can pull them with the car on the ground.  Undo the 6 drive
flange bolts and pull them out.  I bet one of them is sheared off.

Nate
NADdMD@aol.com

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From: "Mathew Stace" <landyman@hotmail.com>
Subject: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 05:39:06 PDT

Last Wednesday, as I was pulling out of a junction, I brought up the 
clutch, and first gear went bang.  I put the box in second, and that 
went bang.  Sod this for a party, says I, and walk the mile and a half 
home.  I got a tow from my mother in her 2 litre SAAB (nearly killed it 
actually!), and parked up opposite my house.  That night was my first 
NERO (North East Rover Owners) Club meeting, and my mother had to take 
me in my grandmothers Ni***n Mi*ra (the humiliation).
Anyhow, to cut to the chase, I now need another gearbox, and was 
wondering if it would be viable to fit a box from a 90/110.
Would I need new axles etc. for this (I have read some where that the 
bellhousing stud patern has been the same since about 1958 or something, 
would I need a new clutch?)
I will attempt to rebuild the old 'box over the summer, depending on how 
badly damaged it is.
The IIA 'box has an overdrive, which I could sell to finance a more 
expensive later 'box if one would fit.
(UK BIT)
I currently have approx 90 UKP to spend, plus moneys from overdrive, 
would this get me a decent IIA box, or even a later one.

Thanks in advance for all your help,

Mathew & Bertha ('68 SWB SIIA 2.25 petrol)
                   #=====#      
                   |___|__\___   
                   | _ |   |_ |} 
                   "(_)""""(_)"  
                             

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:04:03 -0500
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: Any Computer experts out there?

When you boot up, does the drive light come on, or is there no action at all?
Firstly, check the BIOS/CMOS, usually by pressing shift-F1 or Alt-F1 or
somesuch on boot up. A menu will appear and usually there is a choice in there
to tell the machine what type of hard drive, where it's llocated and what drive
to boot off. Make sure all that is set correctly. Also, if these
are older machines, you may have to set some dip switches telling
the computer how the harddrives are set up.

If so, and I understand that the hard drives will all boot on one machine but
no the other two? The next possibility is that the disk controllers are crapped.
You may be unlucky and they are permanently soldered to the motherboard.
If not, swap out the 'good'controller from the working machine to the 
other machines, and try booting up.

Marcus

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Subject: East side of Cleveland
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 97 09:13:52 -0000
From: David Russell <David_R@mindspring.com>

I'll be on the East side this weekend and may be able to get away for a 
few hours. Any Rover owners there?

David Russell

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:35:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: No Subject

In a message dated 97-07-01 07:01:00 EDT, you write:

<< Alternately, I took a 2-cycle snowblower motor and attached it
 to a Delco alternator (the kind with the built in regulator) so I have a
 kind of 12 volt generator. Has 5' of jumper cable attached. Works like a
 charm. You could build it in under the driver's seat. Even wire it direct
 to the battery.  Be a hero in cold weather! >>

Thanks for all of your help guys. I bought a cheap, 1 amp motorcycle battery
charger for $15 (gimme a break, I just bought a house, I'm broke, and wanted
the cheap way out) and charged the battery for about 8 hours. Things seem to
be fine. The guys at AB said that it is sometimes necessary to "polarize" the
generator by BRIEFLY grounding the positive output of the generator to the
frame, after the positive spade has been pulled off of course. I didn't do
it, but things seem to be charging. My battery was just looooowwwwwwwww.
Mark:
It doesn't get cold enough here to merrit your contraption, especially since
I need my space under the seat when I'm running soft-topped in the summer,
but I am impressed! 
~and my friends consider ME to be a bit of a McGuyver when it comes to auto
mechanics. You're like the Martha Stewart of Land Rovers. I bet you're hell
with a Dremmel Tool!

Alex
69 IIa
89 Rangie

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:24:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "DAN PRASADARAO, AIR-7.4.1, SECURITY (301)757-1479 X26"

>>Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 17:49:50 -0400
>>From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
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>>outrigger from RN for about 55 bonkers. get one for yourself and we'll 
>>make it a party.

>>Bill Adams

Bill, that sounds like a plan. I'm moving the middle of this month, so
later in July or early August would be best for me if you can wait that
long. I'll get the outrigger on order this week.

Give me a call or e-mail me directly
(202)546-8753 home weekends
(301)757-1479 x26 work
e-mail:prasadaraodp.nimitz@navair.navy.mil

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:35:42 -0400
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: importing to US

Michael Carradine wrote:
>  We bring in Mercedes Unimogs all the time and the 25 year rule (1972
>  and earlier) applies to DOT.  EPA has a 21 year expiry (1976 and earlier).
>  EPA regulates diesel fueled cars manufactured after 12/31/74 and diesel
>  fueled light-duty trucks manufactured after 12/31/75.  So, either way
>  you're in the clear for a diesel 1975 Land Rover SUV! ;)

This could be tricky. DOT/NHTSA regulates safety. EPA regulates
emissions. Emission rules applied to diesel vehicles later than
gasoline, hence the difference in dates for the EPA. If a vehicle has a
large enough Gross Vehicle Weight Rating then it is not subject to
safety regs, and only has to satisfy the EPA with their 21 year rule. I
believe all LRs, gasoline or diesel, are subject to the safety regs.
Hence, they need to be over 25 years old.

Unimogs may be a different story. They certainly look heavy. In fact
Case used to import them as agricultural equipment. BTW, the Unimog was
Daimler Benz's response to the same perceived need as the LR; a vehicle
the farmer could use in his fields and then drive to market.

Regards,
David Cockey

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From: RoverNut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:45:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: No Subject

In a message dated 97-07-01 07:01:00 EDT, you write:

<< The funny thing is, they have only one gear shift lever and that is 
 why I suppose they are permanent four wheel drive with no high and 
 low gear. (No selector) >>

I'm under the impression that a number of 4x2 Landies were built for some
army somewhere and Belgium strikes a chord. I think that may be your answer.
If they were permanent 4wd the Belgian gov't would have a larger deficit than
the US's owing to the fact that their army would have to re-tire all of their
vehicles every two weeks!

If I had been one of the lucky consumers who called Sabina airlines in time
to get their $50 round trip ticket to Belgium ( !!!! ) I would get back to
you on it. Alas, they are sold out.

Alex
69 IIa
89 Rangie

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:52:04 -0500
From: mtooze@tan.unl.edu (Marcus Tooze)
Subject: Re: importing to US

Micheal cleared this up in a later email to me privately, he was confused over
the dates/DOT regs.

So, the upshot of it all is that you can bring in up to a 31 December 1971
Diesel or Dec 31 1967 gas rover. 

Marcus
 
> Michael Carradine wrote:
> >  We bring in Mercedes Unimogs all the time and the 25 year rule (1972
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> Daimler Benz's response to the same perceived need as the LR; a vehicle
> the farmer could use in his fields and then drive to market.

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From: "James O'Brien" <obrienja@cs.curtin.edu.au>
Subject: 1985 County questions
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:05:28 +0800 (WST)

Hi,

	I'm new to the list so I'll try to keep this short. 

	Me : James O'Brien
	Location : Perth, Western Australia
	email : obrienja@cs.curtin.edu.au
	Land Rover : none yet (looking at a County)

If this question has already been answered sorry. Could someone please send me
a list of likely problem areas to look for when buying a 1985 County (110) v8
manual. It appears to be quite cheap at $15,000 AUS and the body has the odd 
dent and scratch but that's not a problem. I'm more worried about major
mechanical stuff, as this will be the first 4wd and 1st LR I've owned. 

If you can tell me anything else like parts availability and prices (in Aust),
any hints or tips for improving its performance or economy if I get it etc it 
would be appreciated.

	For those interested it is a :

	1985 County 110 3.5l V8 (caryard claims recently rebuilt)
	4 speed manual (I presume this is the LR gearbox?)
	rear seats fitted 
	interior looks good (new carpet, possibly seats too)
	214,000km (133,750mi)

Basically what I need to know is, "Is it a good buy?"

	Thanks for _any_ help

	James.
-- 
	If the human brain was so simple we could understand it,
		we would be so simple that we couldn't.
	
		Email - obrienja@cs.curtin.edu.au
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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:56:23 +0100
Subject:       2x4 landy's

Well Alex ,
            the funny thing is, you are right

They are 4x2 landies built for Belgium  
they are in rather good condition and I wonder if it would be 
feasable to change them to 4x4 by swapping the frontaxel and 
gearbox. 

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 10:10:50 -0400
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: STARTER Motors

The shaft on Lucas starter motor broke. I would love to replace this
motor with a non-Lucas type(eg Delco etc.) if that would be possible.
Does anyone know if there is an alternative to a Lucas starter motor for
my 109 NADA 1966 truck?
Thanks
Benjamin G. Newman

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 10:11:51 -0400
Subject: Re: 2x4 landy's

>From what I read in a (not too) recent LROI magazine, the only difference
was the removal of the front diff in the axle - the swivels and such were
left in place.

Seems like adding the front bits of the transfer case (if they were
actually removed) and the axle would get you where you wanted to be.

I'd sure take a shot at it.

                    ajr

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From: "Joost Kramer" <j.kramer@Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com>
Subject: Re: 2x4 landy's
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 16:33:33 +0200 (DST)

Huub,

I know the front axle, and it is no problem to change it to 4x4. The
differential is removed from front axle, and a piece of tube is welded in.

Cheers, Joost

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 10:42:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: V-8 Fun

Dave: I am also in the midst of a V-8 rebuild, but just (just he says..)
going 20 thou. over on my old 3.5L block. I plan to document the all the
costs involved and the "non-Rover" BOP 215 parts used. I am using the same
Crane lifters, but with a Crane cam
instead. 
Anyway, I am wondering what youve learned about oil pumps. I had a little
chat with the fellow at D&D Fabricators about a high volume oil pump.
Apparently his kit works only on the pre-SD1 oil pumps, and that the newer
Rover engines used a gear set almost as large as the high volume gears he was
selling. My Porsche mech. friend commented that the gears looked small
compared to Porsche. There was also a suggestion of using the high volume
gears from a big block Buick, surface grinding them to the right length, and
reusing the Rover distributor shaft. I had replaced the gears on mine about
25K miles previous, but it appears that the sludge in the motor (due to lack
of oil change by POs) took its toll, despite flushing, frequent oil  changes
by me etc., as my hot idle oil pressure was below 10psi and the lifters
started to chatter. Which started me on the road to rebuild. 
I agree with you about creating a compendium of readily accessible V8 info
and knowledge. There are people who have it, but its not easy to find. I
found Hardcastles book a good teaser but skimpy on hard facts. Cheers. Andy
Blackley

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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 10:48:43 EST
Subject: Re: Zeniths...(again)

>My 2.25 with Zenith carb is belching black smoke at idle.  Turning the 
>mixture screw in or out seems to make no difference.
>...'cause it ain't got a mixture screw.  Once more, from the top gang: it's 
>THE SLOW RUNNING IDLE SCREW...not a "mixture screw.  The only way to change 
>the mixture is to re-jet the carb.

Wait a second. There's two screws. One is idles speed, the other has got to be 
mixture.
"slow running idle" is repetetive, reduntant, its like saying the same thing 
over and over.

I guess originally they came w/o a mix screw?

A mixture screw only changes the mixture at idle. Once you step on the gas the 
mixture screw does zip.

Ditto if the idles too high.

later
DaveB

Two things.  First, plug the extraneous port.  Take the top off the carb.  
Notice two ports on the top surface of the flange about over the top of the 
vacuum fitting to the distributor.  Plug the one closest to the "mixture" 
screw.  Done.

Second: The top and bottom of the carbs could be warped...even if new.  
Solex (they bought Zenith) neglected a critical anealing step in the casting 
process, and as a result, the carbs can warp when heated.  Do the glass 
plate grinding trick if technique one doesn't work.  Cheers

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:00:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Minerva or what?????

On these Belgian things:

How did they do the connection to the rear axle without the transfer case?
This just makes NO sense to me, unless the T-case is there with just a rear
propshaft and a bearing at the front for it to run on..

It seems to me that this would require a serious bit of redesign on the
drivetrain to get rid of the T-case (as in what do you do with the
handbrake, speedo scroll and the related bits - not to mention the shaft
offset!).

Any further info?

               aj"Never been to Belgium..."r

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 20:11:23 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re/2: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion

At 05:36 AM 7/1/97 PDT, Mathew Stace wrote:
:Last Wednesday, as I was pulling out of a junction, I brought up the 
:clutch, and first gear went bang.  I put the box in second, and that 
:went bang......  I now need another gearbox.
:I will attempt to rebuild the old 'box over the summer, depending on how 
:badly damaged it is.

Then at 08:42 AM 7/1/97 -0400, NADdMD@aol.com wrote:
:WHOA!!
:First thing to check is the half shafts.  I'll bet you a hex-pack of Guiness
:(That's the metric conversion for a six pack) that the problem is just the
:half shaft.  You can pull them with the car on the ground.  Undo the 6 drive
:flange bolts and pull them out.  I bet one of them is sheared off.

 I agree with Nate, check out the half shafts.  If that doesn't solve
 it, pull the gearbox.  You might find a shattered clutch plate.  This
 happened to me on my Series III once.  Due to my misdiagnoses of a
 broken tranny it sat for almost a year, only to find a simple solution.
 After all, these Land Rovers are tuff trucks and we should not expect
 the worst! ;)

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 17:12:33 +0100
Subject:       Re: 2x4 landy's

Hello alan,

Do you mean that they put a complete gearbox under it and just left 
out the high low selector and possibly the front bits of the 
transfer case (if they were actually removed).

Since these machines look to be in a very good condition (NO rust 
on the frame and bulkhead and straight bodypanels) i'm still very 
interested.

I consider picking up the missing parts on my holiday in England in 
August.    
Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: "Joost Kramer" <j.kramer@Ehv.Tass.Philips.Com>
Subject: Re: Minerva or what?????
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 17:16:56 +0200 (DST)

Hi,

I am not sure, but I saw a construction with the PTO. The shaft is
connected with the PTO instead of the T-case.

Regards, Joost 

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> New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

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> How did they do the connection to the rear axle without the transfer case?
> This just makes NO sense to me, unless the T-case is there with just a
rear
> propshaft and a bearing at the front for it to run on..
> It seems to me that this would require a serious bit of redesign on the
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> Any further info?
>                aj"Never been to Belgium..."r

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 01 Jul 97 08:17:18 MST
Subject: V-8 Fun

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
I'm just approaching the oil pump issue right now. I called my brother
(mechanic - has the RR in his shop) and asked him to measure the height
of the existing gears. I'm afraid that the "Buick HV oil pump kit" won't
work on the Rover, or at least not on the "later" (past '87) ones. I
have a Kenne Bell - "The Buick Specialists" catalogue, and on page 22
they show the HV oil pump kit. It's just a taller set of gears, longer
bolts, high pressure relief spring and a spacer. Approximately 1/4"
taller gears. (Catalogue says "a full 1/4 inch longer" - as opposed to a
partial 1/4 inch maybe??) ;-)

I can fax it to you if you want, but as of yet, I don't know if it'll
fit the RR yet. Let me know your fax # if you want it.

Dave Brown

 I count him braver who overcomes     #=======#         _____l___
 his desires than him who conquers    |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
 his enemies; for the hardest victory | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
 is the victory over self. -Aristotle "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 10:42:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Cc: lro@playground.sun.com
Subject: V-8 Fun

Dave: I am also in the midst of a V-8 rebuild, but just (just he says..)
going 20 thou. over on my old 3.5L block. I plan to document the all the
costs involved and the "non-Rover" BOP 215 parts used. I am using the same
Crane lifters, but with a Crane cam
instead.
Anyway, I am wondering what youve learned about oil pumps. I had a little
chat with the fellow at D&D Fabricators about a high volume oil pump.
Apparently his kit works only on the pre-SD1 oil pumps, and that the newer
Rover engines used a gear set almost as large as the high volume gears he was
selling. My Porsche mech. friend commented that the gears looked small
compared to Porsche. There was also a suggestion of using the high volume
gears from a big block Buick, surface grinding them to the right length, and
reusing the Rover distributor shaft. I had replaced the gears on mine about
25K miles previous, but it appears that the sludge in the motor (due to lack
of oil change by POs) took its toll, despite flushing, frequent oil  changes
by me etc., as my hot idle oil pressure was below 10psi and the lifters
started to chatter. Which started me on the road to rebuild.
I agree with you about creating a compendium of readily accessible V8 info
and knowledge. There are people who have it, but its not easy to find. I
found Hardcastles book a good teaser but skimpy on hard facts. Cheers. Andy
Blackley

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From: "Huub Pennings" <pennings@kfih.azr.nl>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 17:16:35 +0100
Subject:       Re: Minerva or what?????

Hello Alan

On these Belgian things:

>How did they do the connection to the rear axle without the transfer 
>case?
>This just makes NO sense to me, unless the T-case is there with just 
>a rear propshaft and a bearing at the front for it to run on..

>Any further info?

I'm going to crawl over and under this damned thing once again to 
find out more. I'll keep in touch.

Regards,

Huub Pennings

e-mail adress
Pennings@kfih.azr.nl

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 01 Jul 97 08:25:12 MST
Subject: V-8 Fun

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
On your Crane cam, BE SURE TO USE THE COMPUTER CAM WITH THE EFI
SYSTEM!!!! I used the wrong Crane cam and the Rover wouldn't run right,
had NO power. I had to go through all the work to replace it with the
correct one. The one that works is Crane # 900711. The WRONG that I used
was # 900571.

BE CAREFUL!

Good luck! Dave Brown

 I count him braver who overcomes     #=======#         _____l___
 his desires than him who conquers    |__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___
 his enemies; for the hardest victory | _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}
 is the victory over self. -Aristotle "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)
=========================================================================
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 10:42:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Cc: lro@playground.sun.com
Subject: V-8 Fun

Dave: I am also in the midst of a V-8 rebuild, but just (just he says..)
going 20 thou. over on my old 3.5L block. I plan to document the all the
costs involved and the "non-Rover" BOP 215 parts used. I am using the same
Crane lifters, but with a Crane cam
instead.
Anyway, I am wondering what youve learned about oil pumps. I had a little
chat with the fellow at D&D Fabricators about a high volume oil pump.
Apparently his kit works only on the pre-SD1 oil pumps, and that the newer
Rover engines used a gear set almost as large as the high volume gears he was
selling. My Porsche mech. friend commented that the gears looked small
compared to Porsche. There was also a suggestion of using the high volume
gears from a big block Buick, surface grinding them to the right length, and
reusing the Rover distributor shaft. I had replaced the gears on mine about
25K miles previous, but it appears that the sludge in the motor (due to lack
of oil change by POs) took its toll, despite flushing, frequent oil  changes
by me etc., as my hot idle oil pressure was below 10psi and the lifters
started to chatter. Which started me on the road to rebuild.
I agree with you about creating a compendium of readily accessible V8 info
and knowledge. There are people who have it, but its not easy to find. I
found Hardcastles book a good teaser but skimpy on hard facts. Cheers. Andy
Blackley

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:25:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Minerva or what?????

Re: Rover crawl:

Thanks, Huub. You've really got me curious now.

               ajr

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:32:42 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump quick fix
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Brilliant! That's the sort of idea which makes this list so good!
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From: dbobeck@inetgate.ushmm.org
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 11:26:55 EST
Subject: Re: HELP-need torque setting

New ! Improved ! http://www.Land-Rover.Team.Net/

I can not find the torque setting for the special nut that goes on the
transmission output shaft.  All I find in the manual is "reverse the
procedure"

Its a IIA transmission.

an ASAP reply would be most helpful

Thanks

Terri Ann
the "special nut" you are referring to is the one on the end of the mainshaft 
where the overdrive clutch thing goes on right? 
This nut does not have a torque spec unless you are using an overdrive. With OD 
its 100 ft/lbs. Without O/D, tight is tight enough, it just keeps the endfloat 
of the mainshaft down. The figures that guy gave you were for the transfer box 
output shaft flange which is the castle nut behind the driveshaft. 
I don't think torquing it would be a bad thing without the O/D, but with the O/D
it is absolutely necessary to get that 100 ft/lbs as that bearing cannot be 
loose at all inside the O/D gear sleeve or it will wear itself out and 
disintegrate, or else make alot of whining.

rgrds

DaveB
TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

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From: GElam30092@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:06:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Belize badges repost

(Please excuse the re-post.  I've had a couple of questions from people who
missed the post the first time around.  This is be the last time I post
it.....  Thanks for your patience!)

*************************

The badges that we had produced for those who wish to make a small
contribution to the 1997 Belize Trek have arrived!

If you wish to see one, they can be found at British Pacific's on-line
catalog.  Their site starts at http://britpac.frazmtn.com/icaweb/britpac.nsf

At this site, press the On-Line Catalog button and then press Expand.  You'll
see the entry for the badges.  The actual URL is
"http://britpac.frazmtn.com/icaweb/britpac.nsf/acb8088d69dd7e1f882564360002a6b
1/799a8d4d481c7449882564c20070efb7?OpenDocument"

There are, as promised, only 100 of these available.   My cost is about $1.50
each.  British Pacific isn't charging me any overhead costs.  They'll ship
yours and add the postage to the $1.50.  If we sell all 100 of them, we make
approximately $300.  This will be used to support Rivers of the World on this
trek.  

Your support is needed and greatly appreciated.  So, call British Pacific at
1 800 554-4133 and order one or two of them!   And, if you're wondering, I
have no connection with BritPac other than being a loyal customer.  They have
fully supported this trek and my efforts and I am grateful for their support.
 Again, they'll make nothing and I have the risks if the badges don't sell.
 I kept the number small so that they'll be worth collecting.  If we do this
on an annual basis (!), I'll do it again in the future with a different
design!

If you're going on the trek, I have you badges and will bring them w/ me.  If
you received significant support from merchants, other vendors, your place of
work, etc, you might consider purchasing one of these badges, mounting it on
a small plaque and giving it to your sponsor as a token of your appreciation.
 

(I'm posting this to several lists so please excuse the cross-posting!)

Thanks...
Gerry "Belize bound in two weeks" Elam
PHX  AZ

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:41:01 -0700
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: CB Channels (was: Re: See You at the Downeast!)

At 07:28 PM 6/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Of course Roger, there is one other problem.  I generally don't have my
>radio turned on unless I'm on a run with other cars with radios.  I do not
>keep it on all the time in he hopes that someone driving by just might want
 
I generally have mine off too, but if I spot another LR, I will switch on
and do a "Rover Check" on ch. 7 just in case.  That's what I was thinking
of; if two LR's spot each other and want to say hi.

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 08:51:29 -0700
From: Chris Dow <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: Series IIa Deluxe Seat Backs

eheite@dmv.com wrote:
> In a moment of weakness (and probably stupidity), I bought an aftermarket
> black deluxe seat back rather than the slightly more pricey original
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 9 lines)]
> know if it is possible to tap it for the pivot bolt. How about pop-in nuts?
> Any experience?

Ned, 

If feel around the base of the seat, you'll likely find a hole in the
rigid structure underneath the vinyl.  That's the way mine came.  Just
feel around for it.   The hole I found was threaded, too, so you can
either put a stud in it or just bolt it to the pivots.

C

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 21:27:16 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re/2: Importing to US

At 08:52 AM 7/1/97 -0500, Marcus Tooze wrote:
:Micheal cleared this up in a later email to me privately, he was confused over
:the dates/DOT regs.
:
:So, the upshot of it all is that you can bring in up to a 31 December 1971
:Diesel or Dec 31 1967 gas rover. 

 Hmmmm...  *Both* diesel or gas vehicles can be imported into the US
 without DOT or EPA restriction if over 25 years old, that is, if built
 in the 1971 calendar year. (See how easy it is to mix up the dates?? ;)

 Actually, vehicles built in the 1972 calendar year may qualify,
        The US version vehicle is 25 original production (OP) years old
        or older (OP years= the calendar year the vehicle was manufactured
        subtracted from the calendar year the vehicle was imported). 
 1997-1972= 25 years.

 Cheers,

-Michael

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From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:10:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: V-8 Fun

Re: Cam.
HMMM.... Ive got a 900531 which is the H 202/260-2s-12 which Jim Allen says
"works well with 3.5L EFI and automatics.." (quoting from an article he wrote
in the Rovers North newletter, Winter 1995. A moot point for me since anyway
since my application is for use with what was originally a carb'd engine (and
may be someday again) but on which I am using an Edelbrock performer manifold
and holley projection set up. Good luck to you too!
PS I'll get back to you if I need info on the oil pump. I am using a new gear
set from Atantic British which is being installed today. Re: oil pump gear
height: My mech. pal thought that some sort of spacer could be created which
would give the proscribed clearance from the front cover but would work with
longer gears. Longer bolts would be needed and the clearance with the Fram 8A
oil filter would be less.
Cheers. Andy Blackley

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From: CIrvin1258@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 14:13:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion

Mathew,

Engage the front axle, and then try driving it: If you can, then it's just a
rear axle that broke. If not, then it's probably the layshaft bearings that
went. It happened to me last year - I had only reverse and fourth, and had to
drive it about 25 miles! What a way to learn how to shift the transfer case
on the drive!

Charles

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From: Autoconv@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:15:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion

At 'Automatic Conversions' we make a conversion kit to fit the 90 or 110
mainbox to the series transfer case, but it does cost more than 90 UKP i'm
afraid. Call 01582 477680 for details

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 07:52:12 +0000
From: RPI Engineering <rpi@paston.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

A

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>       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
>  > From what I understand, they bore the sleeves out and
re-sleeve(Australia).
>  > They tell me there haven't been any problems....I don't want to chance
it!
>  > Seems like the cheapest way out, but why would a Rover owner take the
>  > cheaper way out!? ;-)

>I have pasted this infornation from a e-mail i sent to roverheads, ihope
you find it of some interest.

  Greg
>     Its good to hear my name being mentioned on your groupe.
>  > cheaper way out!? ;-)

	My added comments on the boring and strokeing of early v8 engines,

	I have never writen a book but my company has been featured many times as
being specailists in the v8 engine.

	As well as being directly involved with the v8 over the past 20 years I
have found i gained the best hands on information from the 2000 plus v8's
we have stripped following there demise or replacement.

90% premature failure do to poor quality head bolt pattern causing gas
leakage into crankcase and killing the detergent qualities of your oil.
this soon causes the engine surface to degrade and oil sludging resuilts
all other components failure soon results firstly by redirecting oil flow
the the cam, the camshaft then wears away the followers and itself the
resultant suspended metal paticles soon take out the crank bearings and crank.

sad isn't it.

9% Main bearing caps cracked or main bolt sheared, normally leads to a rod
through the side or at least a cracked block.

Morel of the story, why spend good mony increasing the capacity of a
substandard block when a brand new cross bolted thick wall and large
journaled block is available for as little as GPB £1300.00

you may be wondering about the other 1% It doesent sound many but it only
happens to 3.9 or 94mm bore engines sorry forgot Ci? The reason the
percentage is lower is that their are far mor 3.5 in existance than 3.9
anyway this failure occures to a high percentage of 3.9 engines. (sorry
about the rambling)

Because the early block was only designed for a 89.5mm bore taking them to
94mm seems to be safe, not so, the problem is that the water jacket is now
very close to steel liner normal use no problem but if it gets too hot by
running weak, overheating or hot climates they crack behind the liner
sending all that hot water up the side of your liner and into your cylindar
bores.

Visit to bank manager for an unsecured loan.

Bye another engine and start again.
>If Mr Hardcastle had seen so many failures he would now were to place his
>  > cheaper way out!? ;-)
priorities when expressing his opinions in writing.

anyway concider carfully how much all those parts and all that machining is
going to cost before you spend your hard earned cash.

Sorry about punctation and spelling mistakes, this is another reason i dont
write books.

if anyone has any question about the v8, and wants blunt uncomplex but well
researched advise I would be only to please to help.

Kind regards to all

>All too true!
>  > I think I'll be calling Chris to talk to him and order one of his 4.6L
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>  > Should make the Rover move quite well! ;-)  At some later date, I can
>  > stroke the 3.5L to 3.9L and keep it for another project! ;-)

I have a 1989 3.5 EFi.
Fitted 4.6 short engine piper 270/110 cam, slightly improved heads,
headers,webber 4 barrel (edelbrook) cloyes tining chain set.

pulls 5th gear from 400rpm up to 128mph.
20 mpg (when not chasing porsches)
200 ft/ib @1200rpm
300 ft/lb @4700rpm
okay it has lots of bhp too but who needs it with all this torque.
O-60mph 8.9 seconds.
come and try it.

works very well also on efi, will work with adjustable regulator only
better and more powerful with ecu re-chipped, dont use of the shelf chips
as these are not dedicated to your engine spec. if you know a guy who can
programm no problem, we have chips off the shel to suit almost all types of
engine spec also tune ecu for smoother idle and more mid range power also
remove speed restictor if required, this woulld involve sending your ecu or
we can supply chip only, by mail order.
>That's what I thought too... not real secure putting a 30 year old crank
>into my RR. I still have my 3.5 short block, though without heads,
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 17 lines)]
>  > suggests?  Are you going to use the Cloyes timing set?  If so, what part
>  > numbers could you give me?  Are you going to change the distributor to
the
>  > Mallory that RPI uses?  Heheheh...so many questions!  I'd really like to
>  > have a page on our club website with all this information on it-are you
>  > game to contribute?  It would be nice to have a site where all the
options
>  > are laid out for others who want to follow suit!

Look at our web site this has more v8 info than you can shake a stick at. I
challenge you to find more accurate info on the net anywhere in the world.

>Correct, I'm using my old heads. According to RPI they'll work fine. I am
>having them ported for better flow, and am looking into having larger
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>Lifters: Crane # 99284-16 ($60.99 Jeg's 1.800.345.4545)
>No, I'm using my stock RR distributor.
Mallorys much better honest try one on approval.

>I'm also looking into Hedman headers #39800 and should be receiving a
>fax with a picture of them Today... but I think they may have forgotten me.
	 [ truncated by list-digester (was 11 lines)]
>on the subject. Still, I feel like there's SO MUCH more "out there" that
>can be learned or modified on the Rover engine, but where???
On our web site !!.

>  >> > Dave (nervously awaiting the new "birth" of my RR) Brown
>  > Let me know when I should light my cigar! ;-)
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> is the victory over self. -Aristotle "(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)
>------------------------------

-- 
C T Crane.
RPi Engineering
Wayside Garage Holt Rd
Horsford Norwich
Norfolk NR10 3EE
http://www.rpi-engineering.co.uk
mailto:enquiries@rpi-engineering.co.uk

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 16:17:26 -0700
From: "Matthew P. Martin" <matt@webspan.net>
Subject: Re: 109 frames/ Salisbury axles for sale

Yes...Yes...Yes...I'm interested in the 109 frame....Please email me back 
with details....

Matt@webspan.net

Thanks in advance.

Matt

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 17:58:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@nrn1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: SIIA Gearbox + Bang = No Forward Motion

On Tue, 1 Jul 1997 Autoconv@aol.com wrote:

> At 'Automatic Conversions' we make a conversion kit to fit the 90 or 110
> mainbox to the series transfer case, but it does cost more than 90 UKP i'm

	How about a (spare from a Rover 3500) LT77 into a IIA set-up?

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From: "Bruce Davis" <daviscar@concentric.net>
Subject: The Land rover experience oh what fun
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 17:55:56 -0500

Hi All

Well This spring sure has been fun for me (NOT!!!)
First I replaced my trans as it went out last fall. Then I installed a new
exhaust system and blow out the exhaust manifold. (two days latter.) Now I
replaced the exhaust manifold a week ago last Saturday. Drove the rover for
four days last week and on Sunday 6-29-97 This @$#&* LR punched a hole in
the #1 piston! Got it home OK but keeped losing my support car in a blue
cloud of smoke as it sneezed
out the dip stick every few blocks. So I am now looking for a engine or a
source for rebuild parts other then RN. Anyone got any Ideas PLEASE e-mail
me.  HELP!!!!!!!!!

Bruce Davis   Chicago 
67 88 SIIA Patches (Dead motor)
59 109 SII unnamed  (dead no brakes)

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 02:15:55 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Series IIa Deluxe Seat Backs
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Dear Ned,

We have these wonderful pieces of ironmongery here in Denmark which our
flight-case supplier uses when fixing castor-wheels and locks or handles
to flight cases - a small tube internally threaded to 6mm, with a flange
on one end which has small spikes pointing in the same direction as the
tube. the other outside end of the tube is sharpened somewhat. The whole
gizmo is about the size of a 10mm nut and sells for peanuts.

You drill a 8mm hole through a sheet of ply, push this thingy in from
behind, and fix to the other side using a 6mm bolt/screw though the wood
- I have never seen one break the wood, and they make perfect fixings.

I guess this is a product of the furniture industry - seems perfect for
fixing castors on trolleys, television tables, and 70's plywood
furniture - they must use them in the US?

Seems they would be perfect for the side fixings of Land Rover seats -
could even be that is what Solihull use, just with an english thread.
The only bugbear is that you have to open the seat assembly to insert
them from the inside :-)

It may be a dumb question - but are you sure that there are no holes
under the vinyl which already contain fixings? Could be they forgot to
punch the vinyl?

Hope this helps - regards to the family, we're looking forward to
meeting Kitty H.

-- 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 02:18:43 +0200
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Series IIa Deluxe Seat Backs
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PS -

there is an alternative - a plastic fixing which carpenters use to fix
through plasterboard - these can be inserted without having access to
the rear side of the wood, but are useful only for woodscrews.

(Who needs seats which fold down anyway - they only fall over when you
break hard at the traffic lights!)
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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:51:36 -0700
From: "Christopher H. Dow" <dow@thelen.org>
Subject: Re: The Land rover experience oh what fun

Bruce Davis writes of frustrating LR problems, then asks:
>So I am now looking for a engine or a source for rebuild parts other 
>then RN. Anyone got any Ideas PLEASE e-mail me.  HELP!!!!!!!!!

AB has an engine rebuild kit (includes pistons, etc.) for US$389.00.  I
have also found that when one breaks down some AB kits, determines the
part #s, then checks that against the BP price list, the BP collection
of parts is sometimes cheaper or the same price (shipping heavy parts
from Mechanicville NY to Palo Alto CA is much more expensive than
Burbank, CA to Palo Alto, CA--it even beats the sales tax).

Good Luck, and hang in there,
C

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From: SPYDERS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 21:55:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 4x2 LRs

I saw some pictures in the "Unbeatable 4X4" (?) book by Slavin that showed
4X2 LRs; they were Front Wheel Drive, since the rear wheels were some smaller
diameter. I believe they were flat-bed recovery vehicles or something odd; I
know it isn't what you guys are looking at, but it illustrates the point that
it has been done and works to either axle. 

It shouldn't be too hard to convert a newer LR to 2wd, just remove front
propshaft, diff and inner half-shafts and lock the center diff (to stop front
output from spinning away), right? But why?

That leads to (serious) question: "Why did the Belgian Army opt for 4X2
config?" 

(silly) answer: "The steepest hill they had to climb is 0.5% grade UP to sea
level!"

Or, historically (equally facetious): "To be able to get out of the way
faster when a foreign army decides to trespass on way to France..."

pat
93  110

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:01:13 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Hot topics

Keith Mohlenhoff wrote:

>Should the coolant forced into the overflow bottle be drawn back into
>the radiator when the engine cools down?

It should.  There are *two* seals in a radiator cap.  The spring forced 
rubber seal that is "high pressure" (9#) and the felt or paper seal on the 
cap itself.  If this second seal isn't good, the vacuum on cool-down is lost 
and it won't suck the coolant back in.

>I have an air compressor and want to pressure test the system....

Only if you want more debris to run into Mir.  "Pressure" testing a cooling 
system is done with much less than 1 bar (15#).  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"    |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:01:17 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Importing

Marcus Tooze wrote:

>Is there anybody out there who has actually imported a rover recently
>legally?

Does a week ago count?

>In detail, are customs now running a 25 year roll around deal? i.e., can
>you now import a '72 without problems?

Yes.  The Rover I brought in was a '70 109 that will soon be living in West 
Africa.  The bloke at the Portsmouth customs office is a great guy (drives a 
Jensen) and had questions, as the forms were still marked "before 1/1/68". 
He called Customs HQ for guidance, then simply marked through the 1/1/68 and 
wrote in 6/23/72.

Mind you, the '68 through '72 vehicles will need a PCV valve, and the '72 
models will need a sealed petrol system and the charcoal cannister.  Cheers

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |   "The oldest Rover-marque club in the Americas"    |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *---1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7(m)---*

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Temp. Gauge Install
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:23:00 +1000

From: Jim Holmes asks
>I've installed a Sunpro water temperature gauge in my SII and am
>having difficulties getting it to function properly.

>The only thing I can think of is that the location of the sending in
>the thermostat housing doesn't allow it to come in full contact with
>the circulating coolant.

Is the coolant flow to the bulb interrupted by the thermostat?  One
problem I've seen when my son fitted a bourdon tube temp
gauge to his Hillman was that the gauge took a while to begin
reading until the thermostat opened.  The the gauge fluctuated
as the thermostat opened and closed until the engine was fully warmed.

My Hillman uses an electric temp gauge with the sensor in the same
place (thermostat housing) and doesn't suffer thast problem.

Ron

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 08:31:09 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re/21: Importing

At 10:01 PM 7/1/97 -0400, Alexander P. Grice wrote:
:Yes.  The Rover I brought in was a '70 109 that will soon be living in West 
:Africa.  The bloke at the Portsmouth customs office is a great guy (drives a 
:Jensen) and had questions, as the forms were still marked "before 1/1/68". 
:He called Customs HQ for guidance, then simply marked through the 1/1/68 and 
:wrote in 6/23/72.
:
:Mind you, the '68 through '72 vehicles will need a PCV valve, and the '72 
:models will need a sealed petrol system and the charcoal cannister.

 Sandy,

 Vehicles 21 years or older are exempt from EPA regulations, that is,
 vehicles built in the calendar year 1976 and before (1997-1976=21 yrs).
 Therefore *no* PCV or carbon canisters are required in '68 and '72
 vehicles, unless the State rquires them as here in California.

 PS- Are you taking any orders for those oh-so-cool windscreen sun shades??

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Proper operation of Coolant system on IIA 2.25 petrol
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 13:40:00 +1000

Keith asks:,
>Should the coolant forced into the overflow bottle be drawn back
>into the  radiator when the engine cools down?

Yes, assuming you have no air leaks in the tube AND you have the right
type of radiator cap.  The caps for overflow systems have a valve in the
centre which is lightly sprung to allow the coolant to be drawn back in.

Ideally, with an overflow system you should be able to keep it sealed
and
thus keep air out the system.  This is important to reduce system
corrosion.
Did the SIIA have the overflow as standard or is it an aftermarket unit?

>There is coolant in the overflow bottle, but it hasn"t overflowed.
>I usually pour it back into the radiator.

Usually, there will be coolant in the bottle.  It helps keep air out of
the
system.  The amount of fluid depends on the size of the bottel and
how much has over-flowed into it.  Wait until the engine is hot, and the
excess has overflowed into the bottle.  Add water to the bottle until it
is
at least 1/2 full (perhaps more).  Mark the position of the water level.
When the engine cools, check the watrer level again to see if any has
been  drawn back.

Then when you next have a run, check the level again to see how much
if any water you've lost.

>I have an air compressor and want to pressure test the system, what
max.
>pressure should I use or should I let my mechannic do this.
Your radiator probably has a 14-15 PSI cap so I would go any higher than
that..  Let the mechanic do it.  What they do is pump the system up with
the tester (it has a hand pump) and they monitor the tester's pressure
guage to see if they get leak down.  If they do, you've proably got
a leak somewhere.

>He won't touch either of my Rovers, but I  think he would do this.
No reason why he shouldn't.

>Also, there is some chaff(hay) in the radiator, I tried to blow it out
with 
>air and water, can Ibrush out the rest with a scrub brush?

How old is the rad?  You might cause the fins to break away.  Try the
hose again but from the back (engine side) of the rad.  One thing
to be aware of, some grasses & seeds (e.g. spinifex in Australia)
will expand when they get wet and you'll never get them out.

Regards,

Ron

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 23:46:15 -0400
From: Daphne Lowe <lowedaph@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: Roof Tent

A few days ago, someone posted a message about roof tents, but I don't
who it was, so I'm posting the info to the list:

Car & Driver Magazine did a review of the Disco in the May 1996 issue.
There was a sidebar on a  roof tent called Top Bunk. It is a fiberglass
tent (pop-up, clamshell design) that mounts to the rain gutters of the
roof. It's made by a company called High Gear which is based in Columbia
or St Louis, Missouri (ph # 800-575-2865).

Daphne

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Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 08:52:32 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Roof Tent

At 11:46 PM 7/1/97 -0400, Daphne Lowe wrote:
:Car & Driver Magazine did a review of the Disco in the May 1996 issue.
:There was a sidebar on a  roof tent called Top Bunk. It is a fiberglass
:tent (pop-up, clamshell design) that mounts to the rain gutters of the
:roof. It's made by a company called High Gear which is based in Columbia
:or St Louis, Missouri (ph # 800-575-2865).

 The High Gear Top Bunk is also sold by the Sports Rack 800-RACK-USA for
 a mere $1,995.  The Sports Rack has many other roof top, tailgate, and
 side attached sleepers, tents, and awings, plus another 32 pages in their
 catalog of must have automobile sports accessories.

 Regards,
                       ______
 Michael Carradine     [__[__\==                  72-88, 89-RR Land Rovers
 Architect             [________]               www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html
 510-988-0900 _______.._(o)__.(o)__..o^^ POBox 494, Walnut Creek, CA 94597

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From: Pkelly@kktv.com
Date: 1 Jul 1997 20:04:16 -0700
Subject: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

 I might be interested in  one of those military frames and a salisbury
axle.  let me know if they are still available.

                             patrick

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From: Pkelly@kktv.com
Date: 1 Jul 1997 20:04:22 -0700
Subject: minerva?

  Huub,

   please email on the particulars of these SIIIs, I might be interested
in working a deal on some of them.

                                 Patrick

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From: Pkelly@kktv.com
Date: 1 Jul 1997 20:04:18 -0700
Subject: military 109 frames and salisbury axles

  I might actually be interested in one of those frames and a salisbury
axle.  please email me with particulars.

                     patick

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 21:33:46 -0700
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: Temp. Gauge Install

When I changed my temp guage, I used the Land Rover sender unit and an MGB
electric temp guage with a suitable voltage stabalizer.

I also have a MGB tach in the hole where the big multiple guage goes and a
pair of MGB fuel guages, all run off the voltage stabablzer.  The MGB fuel
guages require a series III sender unit.  For the tach, '67 and earlier are
pos. earth, '68 and newer are Neg earth.

To round off my guages I have a Lucas voltmeter, Smiths mechanical water
temp guage, and Smiths speedomoter (series III with trip counter)

TeriAnn Wakeman            For personal mail, please start subject line
Santa Cruz California      with TW.  I belong to 4 high volume mail lists
twakeman@scruznet.com      and do not read a lot of threads..Thanks

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Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 00:26:09 -0500
From: vic and janet petricka <vpetrick@concentric.net>
Subject: mail

please put me on the mail list.  i own a 1995 b. blue 4.0 range rover

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Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 12:05:14 +0200
From: pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it (Paul Wakefield <pwakefie@isd3.esrin.esa.it>)
Subject: TeriAnn's Overdrive Overall Overhaul 

TeriAnn wrestles the Overdrive:
: I spend seven unsuccessful hours trying to jiggle the OD & gears to get the
: splines to match yesterday.
: Installing a new OD is not supposed to be this difficult.

It took 2 of us about 6 hours, all told to install mine. One hour of this was 
involved in precisely what you mention. 

To cut a long story short of jiggling, removing, greasing, coaxing, pushing 
truck back and forth & moving transfer gears, it took us an hour to realise that 
all it needed was a good push with a length of 2 X 4. 

It slid on lovely......

Sometimes we need to delve into 'low tech' methods :-)

Disclaimer: Please don't send me any claims for destroyed overdrive input 
gears/flanges/splines by following any of the above advice ! YMMV.

Cheers, Paul.

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