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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:02:42 EST
From: "Peter CHADWICK at Bobignypc1                     CHADWICK - FRVALECL" <frvalyde@ibmmail.com>
Subject: LR tyres

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     In a quest for increased overall gearing ratio and ground clearance
     (1987 90"), has anyone tried fitting any of the following tyres to a
     Land Rover ?

     265/75 R 16
     32x11.50 R 15
     33x12.50 R 15

     Any fouling problems ?

     Cheers, Peter CHADWICK

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 07:21:47 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Names for Rovers

Pick the name before the car. I had all kinds of ideas for a name for mine
before the restoration was finished. But she leaked unpredictably. Who
could resist calling her Baby? I am hoomilated publicly when my dear wife
labels my web page (URL below) as "Ned and Baby"  She still leaks a lot,
but I'm not putting nappies on her.

Ned Heite, P O Box 53 Camden, Delaware 19934
Icelandic wool catalogue:  http://www.dmv.com/~iceland
Archaeological tinsmithing: http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:40:55 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Names for Rovers

. I had all kinds of ideas for a name for mine
>before the restoration was finished. But she leaked unpredictably. Who
>could resist calling her Baby?

I only picked a name for my 88" after I'd had it about six years.
Then I realised I kept saying "Oh,Bloody Nora,not *again*".
Picked her own name,really.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:25:49 -0800
From: con & greg <seitl@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Names for Rovers

Mike Rooth wrote:
> . I had all kinds of ideas for a name for mine
> >before the restoration was finished. But she leaked unpredictably. Who
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> Cheers
> Mike RoothMy first one came with a name, (Pig), in fact, other people knew Pig by 
name long before they knew my name. " Hey! Your the guy that bought Pig 
eh? "
     Con Seitl

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 8:52:25 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: After the Extend!!

The best off-the shelf finish is POR-15 chassis paint found advertised in 
Hemmings.
If you aren't feeling too rich you can try my old secret formula: 
equal parts boiled linseed oil, turpentine, asphalt roof patch, and black 
alkyd enamel. A dab of melted beeswax can help keep it flexible. Apply 
this elixer with reckless abandon using a coarse brush.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:03:06 +0100 (MET)
From: Paul <P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl>
Subject: Re: Road taxes in Holland

At 17:39 18-02-97 +0100, you wrote:
>Is there anyone from Holland on the list who knows of the 
>implication's of the recent verdict on the "Grey registration"
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>E-mail adres
>Pennings@kfih.azr.nl 
Hi guy's, pay attention to the month of juli '97 .
Then road taxes goes down but the fuel prices goes up !
Paul Snoek   the Netherlands
E-mail : P.M.A.Snoek@net.HCC.nl
URL :  http://web.inter.NL.net/hcc/P.M.A.Snoek/

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:13:59 +0200
From: Iwan Vosloo <ivosloo@cs.up.ac.za>
Subject: [SER] Ettu, Lucas

Dear all,

this morning one of my glowplugs decided to bail out in an unsuccessful
attempt to make me late for an appointment (luckily I had a spare).  I
know the parallel ones are better, but I have other priorities at the
moment and still have the standard series glow plugs.  

What bugs me is the fact that it was only about 5 months old (4000kms).

So: how long are (standard) glow plugs supposed to last?  Mine is used
each day.

- Iwan Vosloo
( '75 SIII 88" Diesel )

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From: Lodelane@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:15:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: conductive gel

Al, et al

It's dielectric grease.  Helps the conductivity while keeping the moisture
out.  You find it a lot on trailer connectors, etc.  Available at Radio
Shack, NAPA, etc.

Larry Smith
Chester, VA

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Subject: Re: UK events (long)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 14:22:28 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

these are a list of planned UK events for the next couple of months (as 
listed in 4x4 and Off Road Mart) posted on the main LRO List due to 
interest from visitors holidaying here.

FEBRUARY
23rd, RTV Trial, Breckland Landrover Club, 01692 404453
23rd, Autojumble, Northgate Arena, Chester, 0121 382 5966
23rd, Doncaster Jeep Off Road Play Day, Hatfield Woodhouse, Doncaster, 
01302 538200
MARCH
1st/2nd Comp Safari, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
2nd, Devils Pit 4x4 off road course, Bedfordshire 01582 883349
2nd, Northern Classic Car show, Great Yorkshire Showground. 01484 660622
8/9th, Trial, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
8th, Landcraft Training Day, 01678 520820
9th, Landcraft Driving Day, 01678 520820
9th, CCV Trial, Breckland LRC, 01692 404453
9th, Autojumble, Malvern, 01684 575902
15/16th, Trial, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
15/16th, London Classic Motor Show, Alexandra Palace, 01296 631181
16th, Fun Day, Breckland LRC, 01692 404453
22nd, Landcraft Night Drive, Mid-Wales, 01678 520820
23rd, Devils Pit 4x4 off road course, Bedfordshire 01582 883349
29/30th,  Lancashire/Cheshire ROC, RTV, CCV, Safari, Recovery, 0161 292 
0539
30th, Off Road London, 0181 265 3760
30th, Autojumble, Essex County Showground 01484 660623
APRIL
5/7th, Breckland LRC, RTV, CCV, Comp, 01692 404453
12/13th, Charity Trial, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
12/13th, Stafford Classic Vehicle Show, 01734 271444
12th, Landcraft Training Day, 01678 520820
13th, Landcraft Driving Day, 01678 520820
13th, Devils Pit 4x4 off road course, Bedfordshire 01582 883349
13th, Autojumble, Exeter, 01823 333730
18th, Devils Pit 4x4 off road course, Bedfordshire 01582 883349
19/20th, Trial, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
19/20th, Training Day, North Wales/Lancashire/Cheshire LRC 0161 456 8244
19/20th, Snowdonia Classic Vehicle Rally/Displays/Autojumble, 01492 531731
20th, Tour of the Peaks, Classic Car Tour, 0161 431 8191
MAY
3/5th, Lincolnshire LRC, RTV, CCV, Comp Safari, 01427 677357
3/5th, Midland Off Road Club, RTV, CCV, Comp Safari, 01902 737152
3/5th, Trial, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
4/5th, Trial, Breckland LRC, 01692 404453
10th, Landcraft Training Day, 01678 520820
11th, Landcraft Driving Day, 01678 520820
17/18th, Trial, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
24/26th, ARC INTERNATIONAL RALLY, N.Wales, 0891 227399
24/26th, Jeep Fest 97, Doncaster, 01302 538200
24/26th, Midland Off Road Club, RTV, CCV, Comp Safari, 01902 737152
JUNE
1st, Devils Pit 4x4 off road course, Bedfordshire 01582 883349
7/8th, Trial, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
8th, Trial, Breckland LRC, 01692 404453
14/15th, Super Comp Safari, 3 Spires LRC, 01922 31631
14th, Landcraft Training Day, 01678 520820
21/22nd, GAYDON 97 ALL ROVER EVENT
21/22nd, Trial, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
22nd, Devils Pit 4x4 off road course, Bedfordshire 01582 883349
22nd, CCV Trial, Breckland LRC, 01692 404453
JULY
5th 11th, Landcraft Driving Day, 01678 520820
5/6th, WAR OF THE ROSES, 0161 456 8224
5/6th, Trial, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
5/6th, Joint Weekend, North Wales/Lancashire/Cheshire LRC 0161 456 8244
6th, Comp Safari, Breckland LRC, 01692 404453
11/13th, ARC Scottish Hill Rally
12/13th, National Off Road and 4x4 Show, West Wycombe
17/20th, BILLING 97, see LROI
19/20th, Trial, Staffs/Shrops LRC, 01782 627101
20th, RTV Trial, Breckland LRC, 01692 404453
26/27th, Trial, N.Wales LRC 01248 671709
27th onwards, Landcraft Holiday week in Wales, 01678 520820

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Subject: Re: regarding names
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 14:22:33 -0000
From: Simon Ward-Hastelow <simon.110.v8@dial.pipex.com>

>I (still) haven't got a Rover so I have no right to speak, but be advised   
>I've reserved a name for it when it comes: Mrs. Thatcher.

perhaps this should only apply to wrecked landrovers that refuse to budge 
no matter how many people try and move it before being discarded for a 
newer (although massively underpowered) pretend 4x4.

The old model can then be wheeled out on special occassions or when the 
pretend 4x4 is looking particularly vulnerable just to remind people of 
what a real 4x4 should be.

have I taken this analogy too far yet?

__________________________________

Simon Ward-Hastelow, Orpington, Kent, UK

"DOROTHY"  -  1985, 110, V8, CSW 
__________________________________

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:42:13 -0400
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (East Coast Rover Co.)
Subject: Good-bye

Dear all,
        You've all heard the saga. Well I have a new one. We messed up a
brake adjustment on a Rover going to FL. I offered to truck the Rover back
here, fix it, do some extras, and truck it to FL for the owner to own up to
the mistake. The owner declined. I'm sure the story will be much worse when
you hear it.
        I just looked up on my computer. Since 1993 we have taken money for
service from 336 Rover owners. Out of those people 4 have had problems with
us. The rest of the internet seems to be a bit quick to judge people and
companies as bad by a small minority of people who whine loudly. You should
take a moment to remember the other 332, the free advice we tried to give,
the events we held, etc. and try to keep in mind to balance good with bad.
To Ben Saltzman, Sean Lodbel, Ben Newman and Chris Weinbeck, sorry we did
not connect, but to the other 332... thanks very much.
        To the list, I learned a lot, and had a ton of fun. But if 2 of the
4 are just going to keep this forum plugged up with personal crap against
me and my company, and continue to add things to their signature like...
ask we about ECR. All I can say is ask me about the other 332.
        Have fun you all.

        unsubcribe lro

From: Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.,Inc.
1962 Coil 109" 3 door, 3.5 V8, 5 speed
1950 SI 80", lhd *under construction*
1967 SIIA 109" Dormobile, lhd *still in bits until the 80" is done*

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 06:29:19 -0400
Subject: Re: NEED A CATALOGUE

This is about the third time this week we've seen a "We have it for you!"
from FOUR WHEEL DRIVES.

Can you either TURN IT OFF or just go away?....

It's tiring and extremely annoying.

               ajr

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 06:42:25 -0800
From: twakeman@scruznet.com (TeriAnn Wakeman)
Subject: Re: LR tyres

At  7:02 AM 2/19/97 -0500, "Peter CHADWICK at Bobignypc1
;
>     In a quest for increased overall gearing ratio and ground clearance
>     (1987 90"), has anyone tried fitting any of the following tyres to a
;     Land Rover ?
;
>     265/75 R 16
;     32x11.50 R 15
>     33x12.50 R 15
;
>     Any fouling problems ?
;
I have a set of BF Goodrich Mud Terrain 265/75 R 16s on my 109 regular.

There is no clearence problems at all.  They look like they were made for
the car.  Mind you they should have 7 inch rims.  I use a slotted black
stamped steel wheel that is shipped as the spare for US Spec Discoverys.
Its the same rim that is the "stock" D90 wheel that you never see because
all the US spec D90s had the "Optional" expensive alloy wheels fitted.
This black steel wheel looks much better on a serirs car that any of the
original wheels ever did.

TeriAnn Wakeman            "Large format photographers look
Santa Cruz California       at the world upside down and
twakeman@scruznet.com       backwards"

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:02:37 -0500
From: reynoldsg@tfn.com (Geoffrey Reynolds)
Subject: Roof Racks

Sorry about the Discovery post in here, but some of the information 
may be useful to the leaf spring crowd, and the coil spring list 
appears to be down at the moment (I'm getting some odd bounced email 
when I try to post to it)...

Some of the information in item 4 especially will be of interest to 
all Land Rover enthusiasts.

I recently posted a request (on the coil sprung list) for advice on 
roof racks for my Land Rover Discovery.  Here are my findings so far:

1) Brownchurch full and half length racks.  These seem to be pretty 
well thought of and cost in the vicinity of $600 at Rovers North.  I 
haven't found any other sources yet.  On the plus side, I could drive 
to Rovers North and back on a Saturday and save freight charges.

2) Rovers North custom stainless steel racks.  Again, these seem to be 
pretty well thought of, but cost around $1400 depending on "options" 
selected (Jerry can holders, etc.).  Again, I could drive there and 
save freight charges.

3) Garvin Industries rack.  Seems to be a bit of an unknown, but the 
price is reasonable at around $400 or so and it can be shipped via 
UPS.  Same company that makes the racks for the Hummer apparantly.

4) ARB rack from Australia.  ARB rates this rack's capacity at 250 kg 
(~550 lbs).  I had been told by ARB USA that they don't bring these 
into the US due to shipping costs.  However, Man A Fre (the Toyota 
Landcruiser people) have them for Landcruisers and will get them for 
some other vehicles (including Land Rovers).  Cost is around $500-$650 
depending on the vehicle and shipping would be around $200 to the 
Boston, MA area (they are in California).  As a bonus, until the end 
of February, they have a 10% off sale on all ARB products.  They told 
me on the phone that they will soon stock all ARB products for Land 
Rovers (including Range Rover).  For now, they'll take special orders 
for ARB products for Land Rovers.  Special orders take around 2 months 
to come in, according to the person I talked to.

5) Land Rover / Safety Devices expedition rack.  This is available for 
just under $700 (plus freight shipping) from a few sources.  I saw 
this rack at the Rover dealer yesterday and thought it was pretty 
rugged looking.

6) Land Rover / Safety Devices adventure rack.  The Rover dealer wants 
$1200 for this rack, and I haven't seen a better price yet.  This also 
looks pretty rugged, but I don't like the way it has 2 levels of rack 
space.  It's a little too space age looking for my taste :).

I'm seriously considering options 1, 4, and 5, but am currently 
leaning toward the ARB rack (option 4).   I would appreciate any 
advice from others out there, especially if there's an option I have 
not listed (Thule and Yakima rack systems aren't options :)).

Jeff

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:05:21 -500
Subject: Grease All Flavors

Is "dielectric grease" the same as white grease?  Any problems with
using garden variety lithium grease for electrical applications?
BTW, isn't "conductive" grease a misnomer?
 
Talking about grease, where do you apply "red rubber grease" and
might other types suffice?

Thanks!  Mark

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:26:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Fender Blower Cutout

In a message dated 97-02-19 09:39:15 EST, you write:

>be a pipe directly connecting the blower assembly to the fender 
>cutout?  Is there some sort of a flange bolted to the fender inside?
>Mark

There should be a foam piece between the outer wing skin and the blower motor
assembly.
Rgds
Steve 

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:20:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Grease , red rubber

Girling rubber grease is a special formulation that doesn't react with the
natural rubber used in LR and Brit braking and hydraulic systems.

The stuff's cheap enough - and the consequences of a reaction from an
experiment are rather dire.

Use the real stuff - it's safer all around, I'd think.

                    ajr

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From: "Mark Gehlhausen" <Gehl@sphinx.crane.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:40:15 -500
Subject: Re: Fender Blower Cutout

Steve,
My guess is the foam piece has long since crumbled and fallen
away ... and to dust you shall return.  Mark

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:46:43 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Roof Racks

What do you anticipate carrying ?
If you need a full-on custom rack for specialty items like boats, bikes 
or skis, perhaps a welding shop will be able to produce something for you 
for the same or less cash than you are talking.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: JDolan2109@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:18:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: hub bolt/"drain"...

John Taylor wrote about an unfortunate mishap and also this tip-
"On many hubs the halfshaft cap bolt hole which falls centrally between two
wheel nuts is drilled through to between the bearings allowing oil and
perhaps water to be drained out and new oil to be added."

I won't deal with all the issues of if this will properly drain everything
out (Though I do think their best use is for filling during re-assembly, in
service lubrication should come down the shaft?), but I do have a
supplemental tip to offer: For front hubs with lockable hubs affixed- the
next time you pull the hub off, think about it for a minute or so and then it
is possible to replace the locking unit so that the indicator points to the
correct drain hole as well as the hub position. A blotch of paint (on bolt
head) also works for those w/o locking hubs and memory impairment...
see ya on the old road...
jim '60  88"  w/OD, 1 Bbl weber, 16's, hubs (econobox?)  "Nicky"
jdolan2109@aol.com
LR... quite possibly one of the best machines yet devised!

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From: "Faure, Marin" <Marin.Faure@PSS.boeing.com>
Subject: Freewheeling Hubs
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 08:31:47 -0800

Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 05:50:54 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Paul Gussack" <pcg%AM@MR.sun.com>
>Subject: Freewheeling Hubs
>Anyone out there give me info on the care and feeding of freewheeling hubs?

It depends on what kind you've got.  I installed Warn hubs on my Series
III-88 shortly after I bought the vehicle new in 1973.  They're still on
after 24 years and 150K-plus miles, and I've never had them off, never
lubed them, etc.  HOWEVER, you must run your vehicle with the hubs
locked periodically to ensure that the swivel pin bearings in the hubs
are lubricated.  Unlike many vehicles, Series Land Rovers get their hub
and swivel pin lubrication from the gear oil in the swivel housings.
The upper pin bearings depend on splash lubrication for their oil.  But
if you unlock the hubs, nothing is rotating inside the swivel housing,
or at least it's not rotating very fast, so the oil is not thrown onto
the upper bearings.  Eventually, they will wear out and your handling
will get sloppy, etc.

The manual that came with my hubs recommends running with the hubs
locked at least 3 miles every month.  I tend to do it much more often.
Obviously, it depends on how much you drive your Land Rover.  If you
drive it every day, I would recommend driving with locked hubs once a
week,  which is what I did for the first ten years I had my Land Rover
as it was my only vehicle.

I have never experienced sticking with my Warn hub selection mechanism,
and I have given it no maintenance whatsoever other than keeping the
outside of the hubs clean.  The selection mechanism is lubricated by oil
from the swivel ball, so there's nothing to grease.  After 24 years the
gasket between the outer cap and the main barrel on one hub is weeping
oil, but at such a slow rate I don't worry about it.  Of course, this
oil is coming from the swivel ball, so I do periodically make sure the
oil level there is correct.  But after all these years, my hub selection
levers move as smoothly and easily as they did the day I put them on.
You occasionally have to rock the vehicle slightly to get them to
engage, but every Warn hub I've ever used was the same way; sometimes
the pins aren't quite lined up on one wheel depending on how it stopped
and you have to move the vehicle an inch to two to get alignment.

_______________________
C. Marin Faure
Producer, Boeing Video Services
marin.faure@pss.boeing.com
tel(206)393-7721
fax(206)393-7741

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 11:49:09 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Freewheeling Hubs

OK I know I'm a rather dim bulb, but aren't Railko bushes self 
lubricating? If these are installed, the owner should'nt have to lock 'em 
up quite so religiously I should think. 

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:00:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: UK events (long)

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Simon Ward-Hastelow wrote:

> these are a list of planned UK events for the next couple of months (as 
> listed in 4x4 and Off Road Mart) posted on the main LRO List due to 
> interest from visitors holidaying here.

	I put them all up on -

		http://www.off-road.com/OVLR/upcoming.other.html

	If anyone wants to expand on any of the events, I'd be happy to
	put the information up as well as any links.

	Thx,

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:08:14 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: Freewheeling Hubs

>OK I know I'm a rather dim bulb, but aren't Railko bushes self
>lubricating? If these are installed, the owner should'nt have to lock 'em
>up quite so religiously I should think.
>Bill Adams

No Bill.If you look at them there's an 'ole in the bottim.There's
anuvver 'ole in the thrust washer inside.Presumably so the oil gets
chucked up into the bush.
Cheers
Mike Rooth

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From: DONOHUEPE@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:27:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: PSP & the well dressed LandRover

Perforated Steel Planking was developed early in WWII for military
construction applications like runways.  It was easy to handle, was movable
and damaged sections could be quickly repaired.

The effectiveness of PSP in traversing sand was discovered by a british army
unit, operating in the western desert of North Africa, while conducting long
range patrols behind Axis lines.  This is a whole chapter of history on it's
own with lots of great off-roading stories.

Since then, organizers of trans-saharan expeditions, among others, have
carried PSP to help get across deep sand.  Efforts to reduce weight have
resulted in aluminum alloy planks.  Today, no well equipped, expedition
equipped, Land Rover is properly dressed without PSP, PAP or sand ladders.

To buy new aluminum panels, call your local industrial distributors of
aluminum.  Pricing for stamped sheet product should be by weight.  Cost
should be less than $2 per pound, although there may be a minimum quantity.

Paul Donohue
1965 RHD LR Dormobile

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:47:03 -0500
From: eheite@dmv.com (Ned Heite)
Subject: Final Indignity

Okay, I was willing to accept that BMW had bought Land Rover. But the next
BMW intrusion is intolerable to anyone addicted to fine British machinery.
It was announced today that in the next Bond movie, 007's Aston-Martin DM5
will be supplanted by a BMW saloon! Longtime James Bond producer Albert
Broccoli died last year. Things are out of control in his absence.

Can we expect Mrs. Battenberg (the German lady with the corgi dogs who's
married to a Greek sailor) to trade in her Land Rovers and tool around in a
Unimog? Or a J**p, God forbid!  Maybe the sun really has set.

Ned Heite, P O Box 53 Camden, Delaware 19934
Icelandic wool catalogue:  http://www.dmv.com/~iceland
Archaeological tinsmithing: http://home.dmv.com/~eheite/index.html

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:59:02 -0500
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Final Indignity

Too late. The wussy Pierce Brosnan (Sean IS Bond) has already been seen 
driving the even more intolerably wussy BMW Z3. Nothing like a hack actor 
in a hack car to keep me out of the theater.

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Land Rover S2A 109 Diesel Station Wagon:
"Practicing the ancient oriental art of ren-ching"

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From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Good-bye
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:17:21 -0800

> From: East Coast Rover Co. <ecrover@midcoast.com>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>         You've all heard the saga. Well I have a new one. We messed up a
> brake adjustment on a Rover going to FL. I offered to truck the Rover
back
> here, 
...

But if 2 of the
> 4 are just going to keep this forum plugged up with personal crap against
> me and my company, and continue to add things to their signature like...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>         unsubcribe lro
> From: Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.,Inc.

Mike,

I don't know you .. and if I was one of the four I might be upset .. but
your overall record looks great.  A 1.2% compaint is a really good figure
for any service business.   (Altho to be fair, just because only 4
complained doesn't mean the other 322 are entirely happy).

I thought I read in one of your earlier posts that you were thick skinned. 
There is no need to let a few bad incidents "force" you to leave the list.
(I know you are leaving voluntarily.)

I enjoy the information given from the knowledgeable people on the list.

FHY

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:42:00 -0500
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: CONSUMER ALERT ref. Mike Smith  d/b/a East Coast RoverCo.

Fellow Rover friends around the World
The following is a letter I sent to ECR requesting a  partial  refund for the damages he 
has caused me. His final answer to me is I WILL NOT REFUND YOU A DIME.

 February 17, 1997

Dear Mike:

This letter is to officially confirm my telephone conversation with you regarding my 
dissatisfaction with the work you performed on my Land Rover (henceforth referred to 
as "truck").

Let me start by summarizing the history of this situation. I initially told you that I had 
a truck that had brake problems that could not be fixed in Florida. You said you could 
make this and other repairs that I needed and that you were an expert in Land Rover 
repairs. You said the work would take approximately two weeks and, when asked when 
to ship you the truck your reply was, "Right away." I obviously, paid the shipping cost 
from Florida to Maine.

That was over three months ago. I kept in frequent communication with you and 
informed you that I would need 3-weeks lead time to set my personal and work 
schedule for my trip to Maine. In late January, we agreed on a February 14th pick-up. I 
followed that phone conversation with a written communique confirming plans and 
dates as stated, and letting you know that I was counting on the repairs being 
completed as promised.

When I arrived on February 14, I was shocked and dismayed to find you still working on 
my brakes! I was also surprised to find the exhaust system rattling, the truck dirty, 
the driver's door handle not installed and so little petrol in the tank. Your mechanic 
made one final adjustment on the brakes, took it for a test drive and reported to both 
you and me that the truck was now ready. As I was leaving, I discovered that the truck 
did not perform well. Your mechanic then worked on the booster pump and made some 
additional brake adjustments for approximately one hour. He then took it for another 
test drive and declared all was well. I said to you both, "Are you sure, because when 
you had previously made the same claim, all was not well." You directed the mechanic 
to take the truck for one more test drive and he said it was not necessary.

Full of hope and confidence, I proceeded to Florida. Approximately thirty miles later in 
Bethany, Connecticut, the  clutch started to slip and the brakes seized, smelled from 
burning and finally the engine stopped. Frightened, cold and heartbroken after 
spending so much money to have my truck repaired, I had to call for help and the truck 
was taken to a local Rover mechanic.

After working all of Sunday on the truck at over-time charges, the following 
observations were made by this mechanic:

1.	The wheels of the truck were probably never taken off or, if they were, you failed to 
recognize that the brake shoes were dangerously worn and were unevenly installed.

2.	The left rear brake cylinder was non-functioning and oil was leaking from both rear 
brake seals.

3.	The adjustors for the brake shoes were improperly installed.

4.	There was air in the brake system.

5.	The booster-relieve valve, which is intended only to be set by the factory, was 
incorrectly set by you.

So, basically, what you should have done, was not done; and what you did do was done 
substandarly.

My damages are considered the following:

*Additional air fare.
*Two days lost at work.
*Mechanic bill for Sunday.
*Three days' lodging.
*Tremendous mental anguish.
*Cost to repair your errors and omissions.

Mike, I think it should be apparent to you why I lost confidence in your operation. I do 
appreciate your offer to redo things at no additional charge, however, too many things 
went wrong to make me feel comfortable with that proposal.

Therefore, I am asking that my new mechanic complete the job that you started and 
that you reimburse me the expenses that will be incurred to pay him. My damages are 
calculated conservatively to be way over $2,000, but I am asking that you return to me 
$2,000 to be used to offset some of the aforementioned expenses. As you know I have 
already paid you over $4000.00. I couldn't be more fair in my demands.

I hope this meets with your approval.

Sincerely,
Benjamin G. Newman,MD
1967 NADA 109 Wagon
PS.ASK ME ABOUT MIKE SMITH AND EAST COAST ROVER CO.

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From: "S. Vels" <S.Vels>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:23:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Final Indignity

> From:          "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>

> Too late. The wussy Pierce Brosnan (Sean IS Bond) has already been seen 
> driving the even more intolerably wussy BMW Z3. Nothing like a hack actor 
> in a hack car to keep me out of the theater.

Absolutely not!!. Connery was trying to be Bond. Lazenby could have 
been Bond. Moore was the only one with finesse enough to be Bond. 
Dalton, - should have stayed in the Landie. Brosnan, - needs a haircut.

Pity that Moore is too old. Perhaps Q could make something out of a 
wheelchair. Could always put a bimmer badge on if they really need 
the sponsorship.

rgds
sv/aurens

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Tow Hooks for Def-90?
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 12:35:31 PST

Hi,

I was wondering what the best way is to put tow hooks on my Defender-90.
I was 4-wheeling this weekend and really needed a tow hook to link the
winch cable back to.

I noticed that the tie town hooks go into one hole (the hooks used for 
shipping the truck). Do I need to drill a second hole and put a tow hook there?

Also, can I put a shackle type hook on the bumber, or is it not strong enough?

Leland Roys
roys@cup.hp.com
1994 Defender-90

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 22:19:34 +0100
From: lopezba@atnet.at
Subject: Re: Sense and Sensitivity

Gentle members,

>I would promise to keep away from sensitive subjects but with the deep
>devotions many owners have to their particular rover I don't think this is
>possible.

I think this is what we need:
Any newcomer (i.e. anybody who's been on the list for less than a year - 
sensitive areas come up at least once a year) should not be allowed to mail 
questions to the list in general. They should mail to an oldtimer who will 
then decide whether the question can be allowed on the list. All other 
petitioners would be directed to look at the FASQ appended to the LRO FAQ. 
Nobody else, on the other hand, should ever take a look at the FASQ since 
this might be hazardous to their health.

Anybody for it? Against it?

Or should we split the list again?
Regards
Peter Hirsch
Vienna, Austria
Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 21:23:55 UT
From: "DAVID MOORE" <DMOOR2E@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Tow Hooks for Def-90?

Use the military style D-rings available from Rovers North. They will bolt 
onto the top of the bumper (two bolt holes line up with bumper to frame bolts) 
and two holes need to be drilled. I did it on my D90SW and they work very well 
- tried & true.

----------
From: 	Leland J Roys
Sent: 	Wednesday, February 19, 1997 3:35 PM
Subject: 	Tow Hooks for Def-90?

Hi,

I was wondering what the best way is to put tow hooks on my Defender-90.
I was 4-wheeling this weekend and really needed a tow hook to link the
winch cable back to.

I noticed that the tie town hooks go into one hole (the hooks used for 
shipping the truck). Do I need to drill a second hole and put a tow hook 
there?

Also, can I put a shackle type hook on the bumber, or is it not strong enough?

Leland Roys
roys@cup.hp.com
1994 Defender-90

------------------------------

From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: Prince of Darkness  (was Conductive Gel)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 08:52:00 EST

>From: cascardo@ix.netcom.com (Lucas Andres Cascardo)
>Subject: conductive gel

>While I was cleaning dirt out of some contacts I removed a connector

>Thanks,

>Lucas C.

Isn't a little dangerous admitting to a name like Lucas on a British
vehicle list?

Best Regards,

Ron Beckett
Editor Hillman Owners Club Of Australia Newsletter "Hillmanews"

Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see  http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 13:38:14 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Tow Hooks for Def-90?

Leland J Roys wrote:
> Hi,
> I was wondering what the best way is to put tow hooks on my Defender-90.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> I noticed that the tie town hooks go into one hole (the hooks used for
> shipping the truck). Do I need to drill a second hole and put a tow hook there?

Depends exactly on what you're mounting.  That "one hole" goes through the frame
to the other side.  The D-rings (as sold by RN) mount across the frame using a 
slightly longer bolt.  No drilling required.  I used to use those and they worked fine.

> Also, can I put a shackle type hook on the bumber, or is it not strong enough?
> I was wondering what the best way is to put tow hooks on my Defender-90.

If you're going to use the stock bumper it will bend under load.  I'd recommend
installing any attachment as close to the frame/chassis attachment point for the
bumper as possible AND adding backing plate behind it.  I did this using 1/8 steel
about 3" x6" and mounted professional 4000lb hoist swivels front and rear.  I've had them under 
reasonable load winching (well..OK .. unreasonable, winch stalling load .. 
it was the "Light" Brigade :) ) and they held up fine (front pulling, rear restraing from a tree).

cheers,

Jeremy

------------------------------

From: "FHYap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Good-bye
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:17:21 -0800

> From: East Coast Rover Co. <ecrover@midcoast.com>
> To: Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>         You've all heard the saga. Well I have a new one. We messed up a
> brake adjustment on a Rover going to FL. I offered to truck the Rover
back
> here, 
...

But if 2 of the
> 4 are just going to keep this forum plugged up with personal crap against
> me and my company, and continue to add things to their signature like...
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>         unsubcribe lro
> From: Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.,Inc.

Mike,

I don't know you .. and if I was one of the four I might be upset .. but
your overall record looks great.  A 1.2% compaint is a really good figure
for any service business.   (Altho to be fair, just because only 4
complained doesn't mean the other 322 are entirely happy).

I thought I read in one of your earlier posts that you were thick skinned. 
There is no need to let a few bad incidents "force" you to leave the list.
(I know you are leaving voluntarily.)

I enjoy the information given from the knowledgeable people on the list.

FHY

------------------------------

From: Texasvandy@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:42:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe lro-digest

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From: Texasvandy@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:42:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: 'till next time

In transit back to England, see y'all in a few weeks!  Rover on!

Chris Van Decar
94 D90 SloMo-Shun VII

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 15:57:09 -0700
From: Rick Grant <rgrant@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Sense and Sensitivity

At 10:19 PM 19/02/97 +0100, lopezba@atnet.at, wrote
>Or should we split the list again?

No Peter please!  I'd rather hear go around the circle again on Hubs or Coil
Springs than watch that miserable little subject beat itself to death again.

			Rick Grant

			1959, SII   "VORIZO"  

rgrant@cadvision.com	
www.cadvision.com/rgrant
Cobra Media Communications.  Calgary, Canada
Aboriginal and International Relief Issues

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:13:05 -0500
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Military 109 Exhaust setup

Hello all. I am trying to install a new exhaust system on a 109 which has a
military chassis. It has the military shackles. I have all the pipes for a
2,25 petrol for a military frame. I got the front pipe fitted but I have a
question concerning the intermediate pipe. I realize that it has to go
through a hole in the crossmember behind the gearbox. After that, it looks
like it has to go straight to the back along the frame rail. 

Here (finally) is my question. 

There seems to be about a 4" clearance behind the rear axle and the pipe. Is
that normal or did I do something wrong. That is where the pipe bends like
this /\. It seems to be really close to the axle. If it is right, why would
there be bump-stops? The axle will rip apart the pipe before dreaming of
hitting the rubber bump stop.

Could someone with a similar setup confirm how it is supposed to be? The
intermediate pipe is almost straight until it gets to the bend. Is that normal?

Thank you very much, 

Salutations, 

Michel Bertrand
						______
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 		       /    __
					      /        \
1963 109 PU (Rudolph)	   		     | Lucas    |
1968 109 SW (in the works)		     |  Inside  |
1973 88 SW (21st century project)	      \        /
					       \______/

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From: Leland J Roys <roys@hpkel13.cup.hp.com>
Subject: Def-90 Battery to small?
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 15:53:05 PST

Hi,

I have another question that came up during my weekend trip. I have a Warn 9000
xi winch for my Def-90, while trying to pull a Grand Cherokee out of the snow,
the winch would only stall, it really did not seem to be pulling anywhere
near the 9000 pounds. A couple of other 4-wheelers arrived and said that it
might be that my batter is to weak. My defender came with a 525 cold cranking
amp battery.

My questions are, is this battery to small to run the winch? And if so, is it
worth it to install a dual batter system? Couldn't I just buy a larger 
capacity battery  for my one and only batter and not have 2?

Thanks for any info.

Leland Roys
1994 Def-90
rys@cup.hp.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:16:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Hank Rutherford <ruthrfrd@borg.com>
Subject: Re.McMaster-Carr

      For the record, I've dealt with McMaster-Carr for the past 10 years
(in industry) and have to agree with Christopher Weinbeck, this company is a
joy to deal with. Service is efficient, sales is polite, delivery is 1-2
days every time. And they are nearly 300 miles away. Inventory is astounding
- you will not be disappointed. 
      In the tradition of the Digest, I expect to be Flamed by the Eternally
Suspicious of Commercial Impropriety. As such, I  have placed my right hand
on a Land-Rover owners manual and do solemnly swear that I have no
affiliation with this company other than being a loyal customer.
      Amen.
                            Ruthrfrd@borg.com

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:18:28 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Re: Def-90 Battery to small?

Leland J Roys wrote:
> snip

> My questions are, is this battery to small to run the winch? And if so, is it
> worth it to install a dual batter system? Couldn't I just buy a larger
> capacity battery  for my one and only batter and not have 2?

There are a number of reasons that could account for winch stalling/poor performance.
The cold would decrease your battery's effectiveness.  If it was a short pull
(lots of cable on the reel) your winch will not be as effective.  (Did the 
Jeep have it's handbrake on ? :) ).  The wiring of the winch might not be ideal
(ground to battery rather than frame).

I'd strongly recommend 2 with an isolator setup regardless of your battery's 
condition/rating.  It's extra insurance for an operation that inherently draws a 
lot of amperage and consequently has the potential to drain you dry.  It's also
additional insurance period. 
Personally I run an Optima and a Deep Discharge Marine (600 CCA?).  I've stalled 
the winch using this but due to load not batteries.

cheers,

Jeremy

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 19:43:29 -0500
From: David Cockey <dcockey@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Sense and Sensitivity

Peter writes:
> I think this is what we need:
> Any newcomer (i.e. anybody who's been on the list for less than a year - 
> sensitive areas come up at least once a year) should not be allowed to mail 
> questions to the list in general.

I don't think Peter realizes it is 41 days until April 1.

Regards,
David Cockey

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:45:28 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes@olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Sense and Sensitivity

At 22:19 19-02-97 +0100, you wrote:
>Gentle members,

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>>devotions many owners have to their particular rover I don't think this is
>>possible.

>I think this is what we need:
>Any newcomer (i.e. anybody who's been on the list for less than a year - 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
>Vienna, Austria
>Series One 107in Station Wagon (in bits and pieces)

Dear Mr. Peter Hirsh aka 'list police', 'old timer', '%#$@&^%', since you
posted without any :), <g> etc I am taking you seriously.

Please post a list of 'sensitive' subjects and an email address of an 'old
timer' to request 'permission to post' to. Seems such a waste of time to
post directly to the list if it needs to go through a censor first.

Us new guy's don't want to upset the 'good old boys club'. Sheesh, it's
snobs like you that made me decide to drop off the list a year ago. And
gee, if I would of only hung in there...I could be a 'good old boy/old
timer' by now... oh darn.

Since flaming good old boys was stated in the "welcome...ha!" message as
'not to do', I guess I'm kicked off the list...oh well.

Since it's MY post:
buying a lr doesn't buy you a life. It just buys you a rover. Get off your
computer and go spend some time in the woods with whatever you run.

Regards, (yeah, you bet :)
-jj

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 16:38:00 -0800
From: Jeremy Bartlett <bartlett@slip.net>
Subject: Storing/Preserving a Rebuilt Engine

I've got a general question for all you tech types out there.
I'm going to be starting in on rebuilding an engine (a spare 2.25l
so I can go drag racing in Burbank :) ).  I need to know
how best to reassemble or treat the engine in order to 
preserve it during a period of non use following the rebuild.

Are there particular oils, coatings, etc. that I should look
at applying during or after assembly if the engine is not going
to be used in a while?

Thanks for any input.

Jeremy

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 02:13:09 -0800
From: Adrian Redmond <channel6@post2.tele.dk>
Subject: Re: Sense and Sensitivity

Joe Schaefer wrote:
> At 22:19 19-02-97 +0100, you wrote:
> >Gentle members,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)]
> computer and go spend some time in the woods with whatever you run.
> Regards, (yeah, you bet :)
> -jj

Wow! Something really got you goat Joe? Take it easy!

There is a little ritual on this list, which I, having only been here
seven or eight months have spotted. It's harmless, and it's part of the
fun of having been here with all these guys before - when someone new
comes in, and asks a question which everyone knows will start an almost
never ending discussion with widely diverging views, everyone whinges a
little!

No one is blaming the newcomer, but like newcomers anywhere you have to
take the rough with the smooth, and take it a little easy once in a
while.

Five months ago, I asked a simple question about free-wheel hubs - and
in doing so I unwittingly started a (re)discussion which went on for two
weeks and ran into four or five hundred postings.

For me this was interesting, and I would ask such a question again
without batting an eyelid, because I value the wide range of opinion on
this list, not because folks disagree, but because they have wide
ranging basis for agreeing - their locations, trucks, country and use of
vehicle differs, so agreement is almost ruled out beforehand. If you
listen to their opinion, you learn.

Peter is know on this list for his Austrian humour, which like his
choice of car is coloured with more than a tad of anglo-saxon
understatement and irony - I am sure his suggestion wasn't THAT serious.
For anyone who takes this list just a little seriously, it is very hard
indeed to be upset with Peter, even though I only know him as the
signature from Vienna with the Series I.

Maybe I'm wasting my time explaining this to you, by your tone and your
apparant abundance of tolerance, I would seem that your reaction to
Peters letter is well off-mark.

No-one censors this list, even Bill, who provides the server and manages
the Major is apparantly very tolerant in his administration of the
bandwidth which we all enjoy. But lack of such censorship has its price
- if you want free speech, you have to tolerate it, even when it
expresses ideas which you don't like.

And pardon me from disagreeing with you, but when you buy a land Rover,
you do buy a life - it's just up to you whether you enjoy it or not...

You sound as it you might be happier with a mercedes?

welcome back to the list! Don't be upset by the "old timers" we can all
learn a great deal from them.

:-) <g>

 
Adrian Redmond

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 17:16:44 -0800
From: Greg Moore <gmoore@island.net>
Subject: Re: Sense and Sensitivity

Adrian Redmond wrote:

> Five months ago, I asked a simple question about free-wheel hubs...

I think it's time we left all this and moved on to cup holders or
something ;-)

Cheers, Greg

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From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)
Date: 19 Feb 97 20:11:20 +0000
Subject: None

From: lenny@fof.coracle.com (Lenny Warren)

 >and am really enjoying it. However, do we get EVERYTHING on the digest? 
 >Maybe if everyone sent a list of everyting had posted then you could check
 >those lists against what you have....  but then how would you know if you

Now there's an idea, YEAH!!!!

 >received all the lists?  :-)  OK I'll try and be serious (Itried it before
                                                ^^^^^^^^^^
Why start now??? ;-)

 >and everyone gave me shit so now I give up) theoretically you get everything,
 >the list server should at regular intervals archive the material it has and
 
I suppose so!

 >send you a packet.  BUT the list server is a computer and computer (of
 >whatever make) are dumb and can make mistakes.  So yes and then maybe no.

Har har har..... are you calling the Major a dumby?????
 
Catch you later,
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Subject: Easy come, Easy go
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 21:35:32 -0600
From: "Keith W. Cooper" <kwcooper@aristotle.net>

I have just sold my recently acquired Diesel SIIA.  Before you judge me 
unfairly, just know that it was difficult to pass up the offer.
But now I am left again without a Series Land Rover.  I am looking now to 
replace it.
I plan to take my time and look over all the options (again).  I would 
like another
Series II or maybe III, probably an 88", but darn those 109"'s are great! 
 One thing's
for sure, this time petrol.

If anyone has anything in mind or knows of something out there, please 
forward
the information my way.  I'm in no hurry and am looking for something in 
pretty
decent shape.

Thanks in advance and everyone stop by and take a look at our first club 
newsletter
from the newest little club down here in Arkansas.  Its a small 
newsletter, but I
know that with the interest we've had here, it will grow!

It can be found in our new "newsletter archive" section on our club home 
page at: 

http://www.aristotle.net/~kwcooper/ALRA.html

Thanks!

------------------------------

From: Hudson29@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:57:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Shimmy

Greetings!
	Although I have been a Land Rover owner for 25 years, I am new to "The
List." What a terrific idea!
	Back in '72 or '73, I installed a Rochester carbureter on my '71 IIA 88. It
made a big improvement over the stock unit, which was overhauled 2 or 3 times
under warrantee and more often than not was running ridiculously rich. The
carbureter was part of a kit sold by the Man-A Free Co. somewhere in the San
Fernando Valley (CA). Some years later, Hugh Stewart, who owned British
Pacific offered a similar kit.
	The Rochester runs well, and gives very little trouble. The carb. kit is
readily available, and the unit is very easy for a novice to overhaul. The
main jet is also easy to change to adapt to higher altitude. The Land Rover
gets miserable mileage with either carb (about 15 to 18 mpg) but that may
only be because my boot is always flat on the floor.
	I was interested in the discussion about the freewheeling hubs. In the last
few hundred miles, my poor Land Rover developed a shimmy. At first it only
occurred on hitting a bump at speed. Now, it is likely to occur at any speed
over 20 mph. I have Warn hubs, and rarely ever engaged them even off road. It
seemed more sporting to see how far I could get without 4WD.
	Did I damage something in my ignorance, & if so what? I "retired" the car
about 5 years ago to await it's turn in the restoration line. That time will
be hear soon as I am getting close to finishing my old Norton. The motor
still runs fine, but pumps copious amounts of Castrol's finest out of the
front & rear main seals. In view of the age of the vehicle, and the oil seeps
& leaks from every conceivable joint, I thought I would probably have to take
it all down to bits and put it back together from the start. Any opinions?

Paul O'Neil
Fullerton, CA
Hudson29@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 21:04:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Uncle Roger <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Re.McMaster-Carr

FWIW, web site is:  <http://www.mcmaster.com/>.  Never used 'em, never
talked to 'em, barely looked at their web site.  YMMV

--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-

Uncle Roger                       "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                             that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                  http://www.crl.com/~sinasohn/

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From: Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus@lotus.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:30:19 -0400
Subject: Re: conductive gel

Re: COnductive gel is dielectric grease:

Errrrrr...not really.

Dielectric greases as used in electronics applications are designed for
insulating properties and thermal conductivity as opposed to
weatherproofing.

They also display the undesirable characteristic of creep undere thermal
cycling (desirable in heat-sink applications), which can cause connectors
to stop connecting after repeated temp. cycles and time.

The glop used in connectors in a very low-shear-strength lube that the
connector pins can push out of the way easily, but will cling to prevent
oxidation.

                    Sorry, but that white stuff can ruin your whole
day..... -ajr

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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:09:08 -0800
From: Joe Schaefer <joes@olympus.net>
Subject: Re: Sense and Sensitivity

At 02:13 20-02-97 -0800, you wrote:
>Wow! Something really got you goat Joe? Take it easy!

Yeah, something got my goat, it's 'old timers', as in time being a
subscriber not as in age, whining about old threads. That's part of being
on a public forum. Use your "DELETE" key folks and get over it. I've seen
this same crying on other lists where if people just deleted maybe six
messages and got on with it, it would be over. 

But nooo, the 'old timers' have to go whining that "we" already discussed
this, then other 'old timers' have got to back "them" up carrying on the
crying thread for another dozen messages and that somehow is supposed to
somehow put the new guy in his place? 
So it's bad to post/reply regarding a previously discussed thread but it's
ok to carry on an endless thread 'whining" about people who did? 
Ok, now I got it... Sheesh.

If you feel the need, please reply directly, not to the list.

Regards, (I mean it this time :)

-jj
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Joe Schaefer
Nordland, WA USA
mailto:joes@olympus.net
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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Military 109 Exhaust setup
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 9:00:49 GMT

> Hello all. I am trying to install a new exhaust system on a 109 which has a
> military chassis. It has the military shackles. I have all the pipes for a
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
> Could someone with a similar setup confirm how it is supposed to be? The
> intermediate pipe is almost straight until it gets to the bend. Is that normal?

I'll have a look tonight. I currently have the front pipe out - in order to
get at one of the gearbox mounts.
The only thing is, mine is an SIII - might be different? (my exhaust has
a /\ in the front pipe that goes over the left gearbox mount)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:00:20 +0100
From: u940470@studbo.hit.no (Bengt M Tovslid)
Subject: SIIa picture

The address for my homepage is: http://bolinux1.hit.no/~u940470/
And here you can see my LR with Nissan 2,8 diesel (six syl.), and click on 
the picture and you come to Land Rovers homepage.

Bengt

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From: "Beckett, Ron" <rbeckett@nibupad.telstra.com.au>
Subject: RE: Storing/Preserving a Rebuilt Engine
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 17:13:00 EST

Yes.  There is a rebuild oil/grease.  I can't think of the brand but I'm 
pretty sure it was a US product.  I've got a tube at home ready for a 
rebuild of a spare low mileage engine I've got.  (pulled it down, found 
bugger all wear so I'm reassembling it).

Trouble is - the tube's at home and I'm at work so I can't check for you.

Best Regards,

Ron Beckett
Editor Hillman Owners Club Of Australia Newsletter "Hillmanews"

Emu Plains, Australia
'87 Range Rover 4.8L auto
'67 Hillman Gazelle
'71 Hillman Hunter Royal 660
 -  for pictures see  http://www.brigadoon.com/~craigb/hillman/hunter.html

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From: Jeremy Bartlett
Cc: mendo_recce@off-road.com; Land-Rover-Owner@playground.sun.com
Subject: Storing/Preserving a Rebuilt Engine
Date: Thursday, 20 February 1997 11:38AM

I've got a general question for all you tech types out there.
I'm going to be starting in on rebuilding an engine (a spare 2.25l
so I can go drag racing in Burbank :) ).  I need to know
how best to reassemble or treat the engine in order to
preserve it during a period of non use following the rebuild.

Are there particular oils, coatings, etc. that I should look
at applying during or after assembly if the engine is not going
to be used in a while?

Thanks for any input.

Jeremy

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