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From: Daryl Webb <dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au>
Subject: Re:Bush Tucker Man's LR
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:47:25 +0930 (CST)

Lloyd Allison writes about the perentje etc:
> chugging around in one of the stn wgns on the *new* Bush Tucker Man series.

I got to see it for the first time the other night and was wondering 
exactly what it was he was driving.....  Sounded like a 3.9d, but with 
safari roof and front vents  hmmm.

An army special eh, lucky bugger.....
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 23:31:21 -0500
From: Jeff & Laura Kessler <lmkessler@srnet.com>
Subject: DAP service

Last Wednesday the RR went into DAP in Springfield VT for some bushings to
be replaced.

I was calling around to check prices on bushings and planned on having a
local mechanic do the job.  But after talking with Bruce at DAP and having
heard good reports (for parts) on them from the digest, I decided to try
them since they are only a 35-40 minute ride from home.

Logistically, it was easier for me to wait the few hours then try and get
rides back and forth.  Bruce was concerned I might get board, I'll bring
something to read I said.

I never read a word.

The place was bigger than I expected.  About 8 series LRs and a D110 were
lined up on one side of the parking lot and series LRs were in the bays in
various stages of repair and restoration.  Plus the expected body parts bins
out back.

I hardly paid attention to the work on the RR.  "We usually don't have
customers here when we take this come-a-long to your axle." "Go for it, but
tell me, why are these 2 coils conversion chassis sprung differently?"

One of the 88s was getting a coil conversion. It was a "stock" setup from
East Coast Rovers which DAP said they got as a rolling chassis.  The othe
rcoiler had the shocks and struts relocated to fit the RR pieces going in
it.  Do not remember if that one was from ECR.

Saw a blue NY 88 the owner had in for work.  The owners restoration work was
great.  The 88 look brand new!

Looked over a couple of 88s under restoration that were without bodies at
the time.  Great to look over everything this way especially with everything
looking new.  It would probably be upsetting to some of you series owner,
given the condition of alot of these vehicles now.  But it is an opportunity
to see how your vehicles looked when new (and for the price of a new one, we
can make it happen).

Case in point about how the condition of a LR changes,  the D110 that was there 
had spent too much time playing in the surf at the ocean without a
freshwater wash after (so I was told).  The chassis was seriously rusted
everywhere.  It made our RR look real good.  

Anyhow, since I was not doing poly bushing, I was told only 2 of the 6 rear
bushs were bad and that was all they did, plus some other things, since I
was there.

For those in the NH/VT area, this is a place to consider for service as well
as parts.  (Too bad the EFI light didi not act up while there).

Jeff Kessler
1988 Range Rover
Newport NH USA   603-863-7883

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Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 23:46:52 -0400
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Camel Discos

         >Is there a street legal Camel Disco on the road in the US?

Probably several.  The neatest trick I've seen is the one that was in LRNA's 
lobby for a while.  Half the vehicle was done up in Camel livery - lights, 
roof rack, brush bar, winch, etc - complete with mud spatters, and the other 
half was a "civilian" model, all waxed and shined.  The mud splotches ended 
at the centerline....

There will be a Camel Trophy Disco at both Berkely British car day and the 
Mid-Atlantic Rally.

      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |     Rover Owners' Association of Virginia, Ltd.     |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 757-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    757-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 757-622-7056     |
      |                                                     |
      *----1972 Series III 88"------1996 Discovery SE-7 ----*

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Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 22:51:46 -0500
From: doncastr@ns.acadiacom.net (Peter C. Doncaster)
Subject: Re: Softtop LR's

I have the hard top, and the soft top for my IIa, and no door locks. I live
in the thick of drunken vandal urban central. Never had any problems,
except once, some crack head bent open my toolbox and took all my tow rope.
otherwise, I leave my Rover open. no one ever touches it. They probably
dont think its not worth anything. The radio is mounted on the bulkhead
behind the middle seat, so theres nothing visible worth stealing except the
rusty bolts rattling around in the dash. The nicest thing about the soft
top is that I can go from soft top to no top in about 10 minutes. If you
think driving a Land Rover is fun, wait till you drive one without a roof!
It even more fun. I only relly put on the hard top because I dont have a
proper storage place for it. Otherwise I probably would go with the soft
top all year.

Peter Doncaster
'64 IIA 88 SW
New Orleans, USA
doncastr@acadiacom.net

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From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de
Subject: Re: Softtop LR's
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:27:01 +0200 (METDST)

no comment on soft tops since I don't own one. :-(

| Secondly, how about security ?  I know you can get lock boxes, lock the
| seats down and remove the master key, but security for oddments in the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
| envisage.  I would be using it everyday and it would be left sitting at
| the university for long periods as well as at a busy shopping centre.
Is there any way to lock a Land Rover????? I always thought you just need
a big screwdriver to get in (unbolt the door hinges). I don't even bother 
about this, since I've the 'fit later' Land Rover sliding windows in the back
and I can unlock them simply with a pocket knife.

Cheers,
Franz
---------------------------------------------------------------
Franz Parzefall                 tbr1102@sunmail.lrz-muenchen.de
       _______
      [____|\_\==
      [_-__|__|_-]           Brumml  exmil. 1989 110 2.5D
 ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..-
                                  

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:19:33 +0200
From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton)
Subject: Camper Hire

Howdy Folks,

Does anyone in the US know how much it costs to hire a 2 berth 4WD 
camper per day or per week  ? 
What vehicle would it be ?
What equipment is supplied ?

Cheers
Brian
SA

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:32:25 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Softtop LR's

Dion Mikkelson should not be concerned about the security implications 
of a soft top. The security of a hard top Land Rover is far from good 
anyway, so the best plan is not to leave valuables in it. Fit a hidden 
kill switch (break into the low tension wires to the coil with a switch 
and put it where only you know), and this will deter thieves.

A good quality canvas tilt will be very hard to rip, and it is far 
quicker to cut or untie the ropes! 

As for noise, I found that the soft top resulted in a quieter vehicle. 
The drumming set up by an unlined hard top is chronic, and worse than 
natural road noises - if you can hear them above the noise of the engine 
and transmission!

Go for a soft top, and leave it off when it isn't raining.

-- 
David Olley
...............................................................
New Concept
PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 0HA, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:32:27 +0100
From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

Robert A. Virzi wrote:
> Regarding MoD rovers .... Last cool article showed an Aussie p-type 6x6
> built to get some pacific rim military contract.  Didn't get the contract
> but the truck was awesome.  I'd love to see how the rear double axles work
> offroad..

During the course of testing of our Military Air Jacks by the British Army 
(just prior to the Gulf War), an Australian 6x6 was included among the 
vehicles we were asked to lift/recover.

Having found a suitably soft piece of army land (at Long Valley) we drove a 
Defender 110 in, whereupon it bogged down instantly. We were able to lift and 
slew the rear out of the ruts and drive it clear.

We then drove the 6x6 into the same ground. The vehicle was fully laden with 
ammo boxes, as the vehicle itself was under trial. This vehicle, despite the 
extra axle, sank so far that it sat on it's chassis. No attempt at driving it 
out had the slightest effect, of course. Lifting the rear and placing branches 
etc under the wheels resulted in the whole lot being pressed into the mud.

It had been assumed, of course, that the 6x6 would have coped with the soft 
ground far better than the 4x4, but it seemed that the standard section tyres 
did not have a sufficient footprint to support the extra claimed load. Larger 
tyres would be better but probably not feasible on the standard LR axles.

All in all, the vehicle did not impress with its soft ground capability. Add 
to this the reduction in manoevrability due to it's extra width (it may look 
the same as a Defender from the front, but that bonnet (hood) is actually a 
GRP moulding, made to look like the real thing but wider).

We did recover it, eventually (sand ladders would have been a great help, but 
the Army forgot to bring them), by lifting the front wheels up with the 4 
tonne air jack and filling in underneath, then towing it out with a 4 ton 
truck (previous attempts at winching it out resulted in a broken winch).

Stick with a Series 4x4.

-- 
David Olley
...............................................................
New Concept
PO Box 61, Winchester, SO23 0HA, England
Tel: +44(0)1962-840769      Fax : +44(0)1962-867367
Home Page:  http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:02:30 -0500
From: "Benjamin G. Newman,MD" <medone@iag.net>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

I own a 1966 109 NADA wagon with a rebuilt Turner 2.5 l engine.This 4 
cyl engine has a bit of trouble pulling this two ton truck around. A 
friend of mine suggested I install a HEADER to increse power. Other 
than dificuilt cold starting(i live in Fl) are there any other 
problems with this idea? Any suggestion will be greatly appreciated. 
Benjamin G. Newman

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: Electronic Ignition and other stuff. Port Dover Fun Run
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 08:29:00 DST

Modern Electronic Circuits Reference Manual by John Markus, published by 
McGraw Hill has a veritable plethora of automotive circuits including 
several varieties of ignitions. Of especial interest to LROs, the high speed 
alarm to warn when exceeding the speed limit and the 8000 rpm rev limiter 
:-)

This weekend went with the British Sports Car Club run to Port Dover. 
Reactions at start:1 That's not a sports car, 2  that's neat, 3 did you put 
that mud on specially for the run? 4 Can I use your hood as a pulpit while I 
explain the rules?

Had a great fun run to Port Dover. Reactions en route from assorted 
passengers. 1 It's a great view from up here. 2. This rides smooter than I 
thought, my MGs rougher, 2 it's nice not to look at the bottom of the trucks 
all day. On the way a Bug Eye Sprite developed ignition problems so hitched 
him up and towed him to the finish. (The latest fashion accessory- Sprite on 
a rope ).

Reactions at finish; 1 Love your Landie, 2 smoothest tow I've ever had (I 
guess bug eyes get a lot of tows), 3 every fun run should include at least 
one Landie, 4 good job you were here, an MG has trouble towing itself.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 22 Jul 96  8:31:11 EDT
Subject: Oddball petrol tank?

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:49:13 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: Another speedo ?

Our series IIa speedometer operates in a continually "bouncy" fashion
reporting speeds in a 10MPH range or so....Is this to be expected? If yes so
be it! If no, what's the fix?

Rob MacCormick
Acting Associate Director/Associate Industrial Hygienist
Environmental Health and Safety Department
Harvard University
46 Oxford Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
(617)-495-3055 (office - voicemail)
(617)-495-0593 (fax machine)
(617)-746-0145 (pager, input your phone #)
rob_maccormick@harvard.edu (email)
1576245@pager.mcb.com (SHORT (<80 characters) emails to pager)

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:53:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Royal Rovers, and also 6x6

On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, Michel Bertrand wrote:

> The only Royal Rover that I know of in Canada is is the Eastern Townships.
> It is a 1964 (I think) 109 SW that was used by Prince Philip in 1965 or so
> on a fishing trip in the Northern Quebec. It is now owned by somebody in

	Doc Watson's Series One is a good candidate too.  Has all sorts (er
	in some cases had) of interesting anomolies, such as the studs to
	attach hubcaps (about 9" diameter ones?) etc.  Maybe that explains
	why it is such a fantastic off-roader...

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Softtop LR's

On Sun, 21 Jul 1996, Dion Mikkelsen wrote:

> The road noise.  Yes I have experienced a "vintage" LR at full flight,
> but was wondering if it gets any worse with a softop.  Also, how stable
> are the tops.  Majoirty of use at 70 kph but occasionally on the open
> highway at 110kph.

	IMHO & experience a softtop is quieter than a hardtop inside.
	All that aluminium resonates quite well...

> Secondly, how about security ?  

	No problems around here that I know of.  Just don't leave stuff 
	lying around.

	Rgds,

	Dixon

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From: ericz@cloud9.net
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:32:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Insurance for your truck

On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, DANIEL OPPENHEIM <daniel5@best.com> wrote:
 It's way expensive and I also loose all the
>advantages of my AAA membership (2nd car discount, road service, maps, etc.) 

>What are you all doing to get appropriate coverage for the actual value, or
>true value of your trucks? Please advise. Thanks a ton...

Historical insurance is usually much cheaper than standard vehicle insurance.  
So long as your vehicle is over 25 years old, and you can handle whatever use 
restrictions are placed on you (usually a mileage limit) then you can get away 
with paying a couple hundred dollars a year.  In addition, you can pre-negotiate 
the value of the vehicle before a loss.  Except for my daily driver, all my 
other vehicles are historically insured and the daily driver bill is twice that 
of the historical bill.

We use a company called J.C. Taylor but check a copy of hemmings and you'll 
probably find a half a dozen others.

Regards,
Eric

_______________________________________________________________________
OVERLAND MOTORS...."EXPEDITION SPECIALISTS"	    1075 Washington St.
Land Rover - Range Rover - Discovery - Defender	    Peekskill, NY 10566 USA
http://www.OverlandMotors.com  Fax: (914) 734-4352  Phone: (914) 734-4333
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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:41:15 +0100
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Re: XD Defender

>Further to the recent post on the XD Defender
>I am curious to know if the spare wheel mounting on the
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>   <URL:http://www.sofcom.com.au/4WD/Perentie/LRPV.html>
>which is recessed into the body,

Lloyd-
Sorry to say neither sight you listed was responsive, so I'm answering
without aid of a picture.  However, it appeared as if the tires were simply
bolted on outside the body.  Kind of like ears on the truck.  No recess is
visible in the pics I have.       -Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 14:42:50 UT
From: "Douglas Main, jr" <douglastmain@msn.com>
Subject: Electronic Ignition

Hello Everyone,

I have been reading a lot of postings about building an electronic ignition 
system and I wonder why?  I bought a Crane XR 700 system from Moss Motors for 
my series III two years ago and it has been great.  Its cost was about 
$100.00, parts are readily available and it only took about an hour to 
install.  They also make positive ground versions for the same price.  I still 
carry my old points rigging in case anything goes wrong. 

I have also seen A Crane XR 3500 installed on a "High performance"  2.25.  The 
XR 3500 has an adjustable dwell setting as well as advance and retard.  

Doug Main
'73-88  '66-88sw
douglastmain@msn.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:24:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Insurance for your truck

On Sat, 20 Jul 1996, DANIEL OPPENHEIM wrote:

> proof of its actual value, they'll reimburse me for  same. They also
> mentioned that I might need to find a specialty carrier that covers antiques
> or fully restored cars. It's way expensive and I also loose all the
> advantages of my AAA membership (2nd car discount, road service, maps, etc.) 

	Get it evaluated/assessed.

	"Classic"/"Antique" insurance should be much, much cheaper than
	regular insurance.  However, there are restrictions on use.  Generally
	5,000 miles a year, only driven to and from club events, some
	mileage allowed for general "testing". etc.  Generally, the 
	restrictions are about the same as that of Antique Plates for the
	vehicle.

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From: debrown@srp.gov
Date: 22 Jul 96 09:01:54 MST
Subject: 109 sighting in downtown LA

FROM:  David Brown                           Internet: debrown@srp.gov
       Computer Graphics Specialist ~ S.R.P. ~ AM/FM - Graphic Records
       PAB219 (602)236-3544 -  Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486
I was in downtown Las Angeles this weekend for a Church function, and
just happened to catch a green 109 with a sandstone top, and a rear tire
cover going along 5th street at around 2:00pm on Friday. I stopped and
stared at it until it was out of sight, gawking the whole time.

Was this by chance anyone on the list?

Dave Brown

P.S. My girlfriend is very tolerant of my LR fascination. Guess she
figures it's better than gawking at some cute woman! And - She liked me
before I had any LR's, now I have 3 and she STILL likes me! I think this
could be the one! ;-)

#=======#         _________         "What lies behind us and wat lies
|__|__|__\___    //__/__|__\___    before us are tiny matters ompared
| _|  |   |_ |}  \__ - ____ - _|}  to what lies within us."
"(_)""""""(_)"      (_)    (_)                     Ralph WaldoEmerson

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:50:56 +1100
From: Dion Mikkelsen <mikkelsd@topaz.cqu.edu.au>
Subject: Thanks to all

Just a quick note to thank those people who replied to my questions
about Softtop Landies.  My copy of the list seems to have gone astray
for the day I posted the message, but I'll wait and see.  I know it
actually got to the list cause a few mailed me directly ... thanks
again.

The replies have certainly made me more confident in buying a softtop
Landie as my first "car".  Of course, it was always going to be a
Landie, just a matter of which type :)  I was a little hesistant in
getting a softtop because of the my queries, but those fears have been
allayed.

Just a quick comment to those living in the colder regions ... luckily
for me its only winter for about 1-2 months of the year, the rest is
just perfect.  Not that I want to make ya jealous or anything :)

Anyway.  Thanks again.  You will probably hear more from me in the
future once I get my Landie (they're around, but good ones are a little
hard to come by in this park of Australia) and start to explore, and
find problems that me or my father cannot solve.  

Dion Mikkelsen.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
      A friend of mine once sent me a postcard with a picture
     of the entire earth taken from space.  On the back it said
                " ... wish you were here .... "
--------------------------------------------------------------------
 Dion Mikkelsen                 2nd year B. Electrical Engineering
 email me at 				 mikkelsd@topaz.cqu.edu.au 
 URL	       http://cq-pan.cqu.edu.au/students/dionm1/index.html

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 12:37:30 -0700
From: Bruce.Curtis@Eng.Sun.COM (Bruce Curtis)
Subject: This is a test and only a test ...

The machine hosting Land-Rover.Team.Net had an OS upgrade over the weekend.

This shouldn't have caused a problem with, but ... It did, at any rate this
is a test message, all should be back to normal.

Later, Bruce.
'95 Disco
(volunteer sysadmin)

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From: DTischer@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:52:20 -0400
Subject: D90 lighting question

I have a 94 D90 with a lighting problem.  With the headlights on, the left
front running lights won't come on, and more importantly the taillights arn't
lighting up.  Break lights, turnsignals forward headlights and highbeams all
appear to be working normally.  I've pulled about every fuse and they all
look good.  Any ideas?  I'm about to drive across country and I'd rather not
have to beg my dealer for a second if I can help it.  Thanks in advance.

Dirk Tischer - otherwise known as the guy with the hazard lights on I-40
westbound.

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:18:53 -0400
From: hilltop <hilltop@worldchat.com>
Subject: Re: D90 lighting question

Check the ground on your signal and headlights. According to my auto 
teacher, and subsequently found to be true by yours truly, 70% of all 
electrical problems and anomalies prove to be a ground (earth) problems. 
Wire to connector or light housing to body if they ground themselves or 
even the body to the frame and/or engine.   Have a nice trip!

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 21:27:37 -0400
From: Richard Ruffer <rruffer@interserv.com>
Subject: Re: D90 lighting question

DTischer@aol.com wrote:
> I have a 94 D90 with a lighting problem.  With the headlights on, the left
> front running lights won't come on, and more importantly the taillights arn't
> lighting up...

Looking at the wiring diagrams, it looks like you could either have a bad light switch 
on the steering column or a bad lighting relay module.  The module is the right most 
relay under the fuse panel. These seem to be the only common links with your lights that 
are out. The brake lights and flashers work off of other systems. Feel free to call me 
or e-mail me and I'll fax you the wiring diagrams from my shop manual. Good luck.

Rich Ruffer
Morristown, NJ
rruffer@interserv.com
'94 D90
(201) 829-8464

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From: Wdcockey@aol.com
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 22:13:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Starter Removal (SII advantage)

Catching up on previous messages I found this from Dixon:

>	Well, it is possible to pull the starter from a II/IIA/III
>	without undoing the exhaust, but it isn't necessarily an easy
>	task.

Finally an advantage for the original SII through the wheelhouse exhaust
routing outside of the frame. Exhaust manifold removal is not needed to pull
the starter. BTW P.A. Blanchard still has SII petrol exhaust manifolds for
55#. I just brought one back in checked baggage.

David Cockey
Rochester, MI

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: Rovers On The Green & Misc.
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:09:18 -0400

Under a perfect sunny sky we had 25 Land Rovers show up at Brookline =
today for the third annual BSROA lawn event at the Museum of =
Transportation.

Classes were split into Series, Defenders, and Range Rover/Disco. The =
Series segment was the largest this year!! I drove my lightweight =
topless and pulled onto the lawn. Five minutes later, TWO MORE =
lightweights joined me there! I couldn't believe it!! Glen Foster showed =
up fresh from Baja in his trusty `89 Rangie with 12,000-pound winch =
setup and 300,000 miles on the clock!! He's put all 300K of them on from =
new and says that the heads have only been off once for new gaskets!!

People's Choice awards were presented. Charles Fulop sold his `88 Range =
Rover to a Boston Police officer(!) who joined the Club and prizes were =
given out for winning hands in the Rover Trivia/Poker game! Winners in =
the Poker game and People's Choice winners received choice of a Club =
golf shirt or hooded sweatshirt and runners-up received a Range Rover =
pocket flashlight.

The entry fee of $5.00/car was collected and donated to the Museum of =
Transportation.

The next BSROA event is a beach drive and bar-be-que at Race Point on =
Sunday, August 18th.

The Club will begin work at long last on a web page. Member Randy Parker =
has offered his services in assistance. Thanks, Randy!

cheers
Jim

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:12:24 -0700
From: kelvinc@terrestrial.com (Kelvin Crezee)
Subject: Re: Softtop LR's

I have a soft top in Phoenix, Az with alot of college kids and bad guys and
have had no vandalism in the past 9 months.  I chose the soft top to enjoy
the pleasure of four wheeling in the open air but must tell you that I go to
great lengths not to leave anything that would be easily removed becuase I
drive it to work daily and park outside.  There are special alarms for soft
tops but a real good trick for preventing car theft is to disable the
ignition by activating the rollover breaker ( this is a device in the Rover
that shuts everthing off in the event you have a rollover--simply pull it
out to stop everything and then push it in when you return--most car theives
won't be sharp enough to learn about this trick ).  Anyway, if you want to
know about soft top troubles ask around campus how things are for any other
soft toper's.

Love my soft top D90

K Crezee, #2728
Kelvin Crezee

kelvinc@terrestrial.com

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:19:47 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: calling Paul

Paul Hanson,
        Your email does not work, sent about 7 emails, all bounced. If you
need to reach me call.
        Excuse the personal post all.
        Thanks

From: Mike Smith
East Coast Rover Co.                    207.594.8086
21 Tolman Road  *Rt. 90*                207.594.8120 fax
Warren, Maine 04864                     ecrover@midcoast.com
    Land Rover Service, Sales, Restoration, and More
        Series Coil Chassis Specialists

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 23 Jul 96 10:00:35 EDT
Subject: Odd fuel-tank mounting

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Odd fuel-tank mounting
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 15:11:41 BST

> Old Churchill has managed to kill off his fuel tank, and the mounting for it 
> has me a bit puzzled.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> properly? Bruce at DAP seems to suggest that all tanks are drilled this way, 
> but this isn't what I (vaguely) remember from shredding Spenny's 88...

My military (SIII, but I think they're the same for SII and SIII) tanks
have 3 holes on both sides. I fitted the new tank with the 3 + 1 arrangement
as with the previous tank, even though it had 6 holes.
No doubt there's a good reason?

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII FFR 109)

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Odd fuel-tank mounting
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 96 15:37:51 BST

> My military (SIII, but I think they're the same for SII and SIII) tanks
> have 3 holes on both sides. I fitted the new tank with the 3 + 1 arrangement
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)]
> fillers? If they're side fillers, sounds to me like old Churchill got himself a 
> military tank at manufacture, somehow.

Nope, good old-fashioned top fillers. Still impress "new" passengers when
I'm filling it up...

 

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:50:32 -0500
Subject: Re:  Odd fuel-tank mounting

I'd have to double check, but I think my '66 IIa tank mounts with 4 bolts
on each side, directly to the outriggers. It might only be three on a side,
I can't remember for sure...

Tim
---
tim harincar
harincar@mooregs.com
'66 IIa 88 SW

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From: "John J. Tackley" <jtackley.dit@state.va.us>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:04:11 -500
Subject: springs

Time has come for 4 new or good old springs for my SIII 88".  Any out 
there that can be put up for adoption to a good home ?
E-mail privately, please and thank you.
*** John J. Tackley, Richmond, VA ***
* '74 SIII 88" "Gen. P. Lee" *
* '81 300SD *
* '89 FLHS "OINK" (That'l do, pig) *

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From: slade@sisna.com
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 13:15:10 -0700
Subject: test

sorry to waste your bandwidth.  It appears I've been dropped and can't
re-subscribe.

Michael Slade
'70 109 Station Wagon
Portland, OR
slade@sisna.com

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From: Andy Purser <apurs@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: ARO 4x4
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:23:47 +0000

Hello,
     Sorry to take up space on the Rover net, but has anyone heard of a
vehicle built in Romania called an ARO. It looks like a cross between a
Range Rover and a Jeep Cherokee. Very tough looking vehicle with a Ford 4
cyl engine and drive train. I have seen one here in NC (US) and would like
to know more about it. It appears that a lot of ideas are borrowed from the
Series Rovers. Please E-mail me direct if you have any information, good or
bad. This one is a '89 model with 17K actual miles for $3750, I thought it
sounds too good to be true!
Thanks in advance,
Andy Purser
apurs@worldnet.att.net

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Date: 	Tue, 23 Jul 1996 18:52:59 -0700
From: cyoungso@direct.ca (Chris Youngson)
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Sighting

>Regarding the CT sighting in Toronto, it probably belongs to Paul 
>Socholotiuk.   I talked to him last month, and he brought a couple back 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>---
> This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated.

On a side note: 

Is this the fellow who makes/sells the oil filter conversions? 

73,
Chris Youngson, VE7CST

West Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Email: cyoungso@direct.ca

1965 Series IIA (in pieces)

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 09:05:09 -0400
From: Rob MacCormick <Rob_MacCormick@Harvard.Edu>
Subject: coupla' ?'s

WARNING! 

"newbie" questions to follow:

I've recently purchased a IIA dormobile with an impressive "web" of wiring,
a couple of batteries, isolator, and what looks like an inverter (black box
(1 side perforated, approx. 15cmx15cmx10cm deep) in left wing with a built
in blower and a wire or two)  , .....Anyway, I'm interested in trouble
shooting/fault diagnosis/problem prevention with regard to the electrical
system(s)....

WARNING Turn back now!

1) What sort of meter (brand, features, sensitivity etc.) should I
purchase....If I'm going to sink more than $40(US) into this I'd like to use
it (the meter) for household current (110 volts AC) as well.

2)Is the black box likely to be an inverter?

3)I don't have any manuals YET, The right wing has a hydraulic looking
device (brake/clutch component) that has a single antifreeze/coolant hose
coming out of it....What's up with that? I think it may have been plumbed in
by the former resident mice as a central cooling/heating system for the
rather impressive palace that they had set up (I swear, the dash heater
cable knob had little paw prints on it!)

Anyway, Any assistance would be well recieved! Rob M Concord, MA USA
Rob_MacCormick@harvard.edu

Rob MacCormick
Acting Associate Director/Associate Industrial Hygienist
Environmental Health and Safety Department
Harvard University
46 Oxford Street
Cambridge, MA 02138
(617)-495-3055 (office - voicemail)
(617)-495-0593 (fax machine)
(617)-746-0145 (pager, input your phone #)
rob_maccormick@harvard.edu (email)
1576245@pager.mcb.com (SHORT (<80 characters) emails to pager)

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 10:13:26 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: coupla' ?'s

As to the meter (and I am assuming you mean an electrical multimeter ) 
try Radio Shack for the widest variety of features and prices. Usually 
they all operate in automotive-electronics-household situations. $40 
should buy an adequate unit. Ask the nerds.
If the invertor is original and the truck is 25 years old, I'd consider 
giving it the heave-ho and buying a new unit ($$$). Solid state 
electronics have come a long way since this dinosaur was soldered 
together. I would put my money on a sure thing. Keeping this unit for 
curiosity's sake is OK, but its reliability is probably questionable.
No guesses on your mystery hydraulic unit unless its some kind of engine 
block heater. If it doesn't help make the truck go, lose it.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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From: "MNR. GRS SYMONDSON" <9553908@NARGA.sun.ac.za>
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:30:57 GMT+0200
Subject: mountains

hey patrick
which mountains are these? and how was the ride in the D90?  and most 
importantly did you ski and have snow fights? 
i'm from stellenbosch and own a series one swb we've just been out 
in the rain to a near by nature reserve and really put the ol' landy 
through it's paces and boy were my mates impressed with this forty 
year old landy !

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:58:08 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Sighting

At 18:52 96-07-23 -0700, you wrote:

>>Regarding the CT sighting in Toronto, it probably belongs to Paul 
>>Socholotiuk.   I talked to him last month, and he brought a couple back 

>On a side note: 
>Is this the fellow who makes/sells the oil filter conversions? 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>73,
>Chris Youngson, VE7CST

Yes. Very well done and practical. Tel: 416-504-3633
Adress: 451 Adelaide St W Toronto, Ont, M5V 1T1

I've bought three for my Rovers and I am very satisfied with them. 45$ each
+ 5$ in shipping. Of course, Cdn money. To me, it's 50$ very well spent. 

My 0,02$ worth, 

Michel Bertrand

Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 

1963 109 PU (Rudolph)
1968 109 SW (in the works)
1973 88 SW (21st century project)

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 16:18:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: gwsmith@selu.edu (G. Warren Smith)
Subject: Gearbox Synchro Loss

Just returned to Louisiana from a long haul with a 5x8 U-Haul behind Lurch
(my 1965 IIA 109 Dormobile) via central Pennsylvania and Chicago, moving
some furniture between various homes. After creeping up (in third gear) an
interminable hill on Interstate 80 in Western Penna. (The top of which had a
sign;  I believe noting the spot as the highest point on the interstate
system east of the Mississippi ???) I found the synchronization of shifting
between third and fourth gears was lost and that a relatively noisless shift
could only be made by allowing several seconds between a shift from third to
fourth.  Shifting from first to second to third still seems fairly normal.
But the fourth gear wants to jump out of gear unless the shift lever is held
in place.  Fortunately, a length of bungi cord from the shift lever to the
back of the driver's seat allowed a reasonable trip home.

Question:  Is this likely to require a total take-down of the transmission
or is there any simpler possibility for repair.  The transmission has only
7500 miles on it since being rebuilt by Atlantic British (California).  Any
thoughts on how lengthy a job I'm looking at would be much appreciated.
Many thanks for any help.  

Warren

Dr. G. Warren Smith,
Honors Professor of Arts and Sciences
Southeastern Louisiana University
SLU 942
Hammond, LA  70402

gwsmith@selu.edu

(504) 549-3695
(504) 549-3595 FAX

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 14:42:45 -0700
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Re: Gearbox Synchro Loss

You wrote: 
>Question:  Is this likely to require a total take-down of the transmission
>or is there any simpler possibility for repair.  
>Warren

If you're very lucky its just the detent spring and ball, but given the implied 
noise on shifting probably not.

If you're lucky and adept with the apppropriate medical tools ( :) ), it might 
only be synchro springs (metal sheet springs).  Some people claim these can be 
replaced with the transmission in the vehicle.

On the other hand if the entire synchro unit needs replacing (my guess), or if its 
something else, I believe you'll have to pull the whole unit.

cheers and good luck,

Jeremy

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:46:56 -0400 (-0400)
From: rotero@huillinco.ing.puc.cl (Rodrigo  Otero)
Subject: Re: Gearbox Synchro Loss

>I found the synchronization of shifting
>between third and fourth gears was lost and that a relatively noisless shift
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>could only be made by allowing several seconds between a shift from third to
>fourth.

Something similar happened to my 1964  109 SIIA. I had  some trouble
shifting from third to fourth gear but  the  greatest  problem was that
while in fourth gear the lever popped to neutral.
We had to dismount  the  gear  box and change the sincromesh ( about US $
150 in chile) and a small bronce cylindrical piece (  aprox US $ 15) that
keeps the gears in place (buje  doble in Spanish). Since the gear box was
dismounted and opened I also changed  some other slightly worn parts.
 Good luck

Rodrigo

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From: daviscar@cris.com
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 19:45:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Question for the all knowing list members

Hi All knowing list members

Here is the Question:

What is a "runing" 109 sw 1959 LR worth?

condition:
Fair-good Body (damaged left frong fender)
Needs brake work (what LR don't)
Needs Paint job (big deal)
Looks to sit level
Told it needs a frame over (can't confirm this)
Told it is complete (can't confirm this eather but looks like it is from
pictures)
front lights look wrong to me. Turn signals on top of front fenders?

As you all know I have been looking for one for a time now. 
So BEFORE ANYONE ASKES I will not tell you where it is or how much is being
asked for Till I make up my mind as to getting it or not.
Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
WANTED pre 1968 109 In USA
Daviscar@concentric.net
        Or
BDaviscar@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:20:38 -0700
From: Bruce.Curtis@Eng.sun.com (Bruce Curtis)
Subject: Land-Rover.Team.Net is back?

The Major fell down and couldn't get back up yesterday (7/23) ...

After a successful test message was sent to the rro list a few minutes
ago i thought i'd send out this message to a wider audience:

All looks well, but the process of upgrading the O/S, recovering from
recent breakins, tightening the security, and just plan bad luck may
yet cause some problems ... So, i'am asking for your understanding as
we work on getting the lists back up and running.

But as of now all looks well ... So, let the E-Mail resume.

Later, Bruce.
--
Bruce W. Curtis                     brutus@Eng.Sun.COM
SunSoft, Internet Engineering       http://www.badrc.org/~brutus
2550 Garcia Ave, MS MPK17-202       (415)786-5147
Mountain View, CA 94043-1100        FAX:(415)786-5896

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE: Series 2A 4SALE
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:08:12 -0400
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

LR SER 2A 1967:

Ground up rebuild summer 1994
Hardtop with lift gate
Repainted Coniston green inside and out
Reupholstered front seats and rear jump seats (Badger Coachworks)
Center console with Alpine stereo and CB
Door mounted speakers
New front and rear floor mats
New speedo, VDO tach, VDO clock, water temp, oil press. gauges

FRAME WORK:
new rear xmemb and hangers
new tank outriggers and aux gas tank
new foot wells
repainted and rust-free

New springs, shocks
New 16" rims w/BFG TracEdge tires
New brake lines
New brake cylinders
New master brake cyl w/vacuum assist
Rebuilt "no-lead" head
Toro overdrive
New rear drive shaft

$12,000

Serious inquiries call Brian at 508-226-1949 (Mass.)

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From: 	daviscar@cris.com[SMTP:daviscar@cris.com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, July 24, 1996 3:45 PM
Subject: 	Question for the all knowing list members

Hi All knowing list members

Here is the Question:

What is a "runing" 109 sw 1959 LR worth?

condition:
Fair-good Body (damaged left frong fender)
Needs brake work (what LR don't)
Needs Paint job (big deal)
Looks to sit level
Told it needs a frame over (can't confirm this)
Told it is complete (can't confirm this eather but looks like it is from
pictures)
front lights look wrong to me. Turn signals on top of front fenders?

As you all know I have been looking for one for a time now. 
So BEFORE ANYONE ASKES I will not tell you where it is or how much is being
asked for Till I make up my mind as to getting it or not.
Bruce
67 SIIA 88 Patches
WANTED pre 1968 109 In USA
Daviscar@concentric.net
        Or
BDaviscar@aol.com

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From: Jim Pappas <roverhed@m3.pcix.com>
Subject: RE:Event correction
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 20:15:33 -0400
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The revised date for the BSROA Race Point Beach Drive & Barbeque will be =
SATURDAY, AUG. 17TH instead of the previously mentioned Sunday the 18th.

Any non-members wishing to attend can contact me by post or Clubline =
ring on 617-545-4743.

cheers
Jim

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From: 	Jim Pappas[SMTP:roverhed@m3.pcix.com]
Sent: 	Sunday, July 21, 1996 9:09 PM
Subject: 	Rovers On The Green & Misc.

Under a perfect sunny sky we had 25 Land Rovers show up at Brookline =3D
today for the third annual BSROA lawn event at the Museum of =3D
Transportation.

Classes were split into Series, Defenders, and Range Rover/Disco. The =
=3D
Series segment was the largest this year!! I drove my lightweight =3D
topless and pulled onto the lawn. Five minutes later, TWO MORE =3D
lightweights joined me there! I couldn't believe it!! Glen Foster showed =
=3D
up fresh from Baja in his trusty `89 Rangie with 12,000-pound winch =3D
setup and 300,000 miles on the clock!! He's put all 300K of them on from =
=3D
new and says that the heads have only been off once for new gaskets!!

People's Choice awards were presented. Charles Fulop sold his `88 Range =
=3D
Rover to a Boston Police officer(!) who joined the Club and prizes were =
=3D
given out for winning hands in the Rover Trivia/Poker game! Winners in =
=3D
the Poker game and People's Choice winners received choice of a Club =3D
golf shirt or hooded sweatshirt and runners-up received a Range Rover =
=3D
pocket flashlight.

The entry fee of $5.00/car was collected and donated to the Museum of =
=3D
Transportation.

The next BSROA event is a beach drive and bar-be-que at Race Point on =
=3D
Sunday, August 18th.

The Club will begin work at long last on a web page. Member Randy Parker =
=3D
has offered his services in assistance. Thanks, Randy!

cheers
Jim

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:45:11 -0700
From: "Franklin H. Yap" <FHYap@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: July LRO Mag

I have heard that the August LRW is on the magazine stands but I haven't 
even received my Jul LRO issue.  Have others received theirs?

FHY

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:35:20 -0400
From: Michel Bertrand <mbertran@InterLinx.qc.ca>
Subject: Re: Question for the all knowing list members

At 19:45 96-07-24 -0400, Bruce wrote:

What is a "runing" 109 sw 1959 LR worth?

condition:
Fair-good Body (damaged left frong fender)
Needs brake work (what LR don't)
Needs Paint job (big deal)
Looks to sit level
Told it needs a frame over (can't confirm this)
Told it is complete (can't confirm this eather but looks like it is from
pictures)
front lights look wrong to me. Turn signals on top of front fenders?

Well, 1959 is a true Ser II, not IIA. The engine could be a problem. Bunch
of parts from the Ser II engine that aren't interchangeable with the Ser
IIA's. If you're in for a rebuild, try to find a Ser IIA engine with
preferably a 8:1 ratio head.(Ser III)

Is it a SW or a 109 regular hard top or a pickup?

To me, the SW is worth more, let's say from what you are describing, max
1000$ US
Regular Hard top would be 750$ U.S and pickup 500$. Look at it this way: You
need a new frame, springs brakes, probably engine work, etc... Basically,
only the body will remain and the tranny, if it's not dead. 

Because of all the money and work and parts involved, I wouldn't go over the
prices that I mentioned. 

BTW, if you intend to do some offroading with it, the Ser II gearbox has
great ratios for this kind of application. If I remember correctly, the 1st
and 2nd gears are "smaller"

Good luck, and sleep well (I know you'll be dreaming about it)

Michel
Michel Bertrand

Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada, 

1963 109 PU (Rudolph)
1968 109 SW (in the works)
1973 88 SW (21st century project)

mbertran@interlinx.qc.ca <<---- Note new address!

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:31:48 -0700
From: John Karlsson <karlsson@edgenet.net>
Subject: Re: July LRO Mag

Franklin H. Yap wrote:
> I have heard that the August LRW is on the magazine stands but I haven't
> even received my Jul LRO issue.  Have others received theirs?
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> even received my Jul LRO issue.  Have others received theirs?
> FHY

YES!

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:30:08
From: DRead@gnn.com (David  Read)

Has something happened to 'the list'. I recently subscribed to both 
digests (LRO and LRO-Coil Sprung). But I have not received anything 
since 7/21. Did we have a head crash? Should I re-subscribe? 
Also, I tried sending this inquiry to 
majordomo-owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net but received a message back saying 
that my message to majordomo-owner@playground.sun.com could not be 
delivered (Never heard of host Eng in domain sun.com) ?!?@?#?#

Any help would be appreciated.

David Read

'71 SIIA 88  TKACHNC
'96 Disco    YBENRML

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 00:30:40 -0400
From: Steve Whetstone <whetston@mail.ameritel.net>
Subject: Discovery Rentals

While dropping a rental off at AVIS at Washington Dulles Airport,
I happened to notice that they had about 12-15 LR Discoverys 
available to rent.  The person checking in my car said she thought
that they typically rented for $50-80/day or $250-350/week.

Steve Whetstone
Lexington Park, MD

1964 SWB Diesel Station Wagon (in rebuild mode)

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:10:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates)
Subject: Waving, greasy hubs, distance pieces

Following some out of date threads.

Waved and got waved back by a white RR while driving
from Ft. St. James to Terrace (serious chevy country) and 
saw 3 88" a 109 pickup and a Jaguar in someones back
yard in Fort Fraser (a VERY small podunk logging town)
Stopped but no one home.

I thought one did put grease in the hub between the bearings,
unless I am reading my manual all wrong.  I also thought the 
point of grease packing was to act as afurther barrier between
the brakes and the oil.  I have done front and back hubs this
way and have had no problems at all for at least 12k
Hope I haven't jinxed myself.

When I replaced my distance pieces, I used a really dull cold
chisel and kind of mashed the edge of the distance piece in
about 15 places then just pulled it off with my fingers.  I first
tried a sharp chisel but it just seemed to stick in the soft metal.
A PVC pipe section and a rubber mallet works well for tapping
on the new piece.

Mike Cotton mentioned that the earliy 2.5l diesel used tha same
block, head, crank etc. as the 2.25, with an increase stroke.  If this
is the case, what part do I need to make an old diesel into a new 
diesel, and is there a noticeable power increase for the trouble?

Thanks all for the advice on the speedo problems.

Regards

CDC

--
 __x___x_  /    Clinton D. Coates  uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca    
|__|__|__\/__   
|     |   |_ |  *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs
  (_)"""""(_)"  *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover*

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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 22:12:45 -0700
From: tspoto@az.com (Thomas Spoto)
Subject: Re: Gearbox Synchro Loss

>But the fourth gear wants to jump out of gear unless the shift lever is held
>in place.  Fortunately, a length of bungi cord from the shift lever to the
>back of the driver's seat allowed a reasonable trip home.

I had this happen, fourth gear popping out on the 67. I rested my hand on it
applying pressure to keep the transmission in fourth. Your bungee cord is
doing the same thing, end result the shift fork gets worn away. Mine wore
enough of the brass fork away to cause the remaining side of the fork to
bend and be of no use. Total overhaul then took place, synchro's, gear sets,
the whole works. It's been 20 years, and I have no recollection of time
between fourth popping out and gear box failure.
Tom Spoto
tspoto@az.com
        2 x 72 88's one good g'box between them
        1 x 67 88   gear box good but then it does'nt get many miles these days

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 02:12:42 -0400
From: landrvr@blacdisc.com (Mike Loiodice)
Subject: Re: Question for the all knowing list members

Bruce asks...

>What is a "runing" 109 sw 1959 LR worth?
-

Haven't a clue... I would hate to pay more than $1000US for something that
might need a frame over...

>Told it needs a frame over (can't confirm this)
-

Get under it and check out the frame.. If it has been patched up or has
nasty rusty holes it probably could use a frame-over... 

>front lights look wrong to me. Turn signals on top of front fenders?
-

There was a conversion kit that allowed mounting the turn signals on top of
the wings. This allowed mounting gerry cans on the front bumper.

Cheers
Mike

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Subject: RoverWeb, FAQ and OVLR pages
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:37:54 -0700
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@ridgecrest.ca.us>

	Due to a change in servers at RidgeNET the address of the web pages
has changed slightly.  While the Admins were swapping phisical machines
and Operating Systems they decided to consolidate web servers.  Before
they had two servers.  www1 was for the users homepages and www was for 
semiofficly web sites.  Now everything is on www1.

	So the for every link you will have to replace www with www1.  For
example:
Old: http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/
New: http://www1.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/

	Sorry about the inconvienence.  I no longer work for RidgeNET and
to had to wait for things to settle down.

	If you have further problems, send me some email.  

	Any Flatland LRC people out there?  I'm going to be In Kansas City, 
Mo for the next 8 weeks (though I'll be flying back to Calif for the first 
few the weekends)   Sadly, my LR will remain in California.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith----------bens@ridgecrest.ca.us----------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 25 Jul 96  8:03:34 EDT
Subject: Computer Problems at Atlantic British in NY

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 25 Jul 96  8:09:06 EDT
Subject: A Head Gasket Quandry

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Pinking
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 14:13:49 BST

This is a car newbie question here - excusable I hope, as my Landy (now named
Alice) is my first vehicle.

Pinking: As I'm not sure exactly what pinking sounds like: How can I tell if
I am pinking? May also be running a little rich (again hard to tell, although
if  I have the choke pulled out, I'm definitely running rich!).
If yes to the first, then the second is, I think the most likely explanation,
as is a clean/adjustment of the carb.  (Best to pay someone to do this??)

Richard (ex-Gurkha SIII 109 FFR)

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From: "Mr Ian Stuart" <Ian.Stuart@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 14:18:16 +0000
Subject: Returned from Europe

Well, I made it round Europe with no real problems.

Here is a quick summery of the route. Once all the bills come in, I'll 
summerise costs for shipping, insurance, fuel and living - plus a more 
detailed account of the route and some hints and tips for future travellers

The route was:
	 Edinburgh -> Hull [1 day]
	 Ship to Rotterdam (overnight, with a huge dinner and an equally big
breakfast)
 	 Rotterdam -> Berlin [3 days]
 	 Be a tourist in Berlin for a day
 	 Berlin -> Rosenheim [2 days, Meet Franz] 	
	 Be a tourist in Munchen. [1 day]
 	 Rosenheim -> Savona [4 days, via an excellent castle, Austria,
Lichtenstein & switzerland]
 	 Sunbathe in Stella campsite for 4 days
 	 Savona -> Amsterdam [4 days, via Monte Carlo, France, Luxomburg &
Belgum]
 	 Be a tourist in Amsterdam for a day
 	 Amsterdam -> Rotterdam [1 day]
 	 Ship to Hull (overnight, with a huge dinner and an equally big
breakfast)
	 Hull -> Edinburgh [1 day. Home by 6pm]

Total Mileage: 3,500 miles (5,800 Km)
Highest point: 4113m, Splugan Pass (2.5 miles !)

The three problems were:
1) a leaky front hub, which I knew about and had a gasket for
2) lack of leaded fuel in Europe - "Super", with "Lead substitute", wasn't 
a good as UK leaded fuel.
3) the Deluxe seats aren't too soft, so I've a sore back from the hard 
ride

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
 <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/> or <http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~kiz/>

Quote of 1996: "A.L.S. is a good example of scottishissityness"

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 9:17:17 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Gearbox Synchro Loss

>The transmission has only 7500 miles on it since being rebuilt by 
Atlantic British >(California).
My first move would be to call these people and ask them what to do. I 
hope that you got some kind of warranty on the transmission. When I had 
mine rebuilt the shop gave me 12 months/ 12,000 miles.
Failing any recourse from them, it sounds as if you lost the detent 
spring for 4th which you should be able to replace without pulling the 
tranny. It is highly unlikely that a synchro ring would have any effect 
on whether it stays in gear or not.
Meanwhile a lesson on the fine art of double-declutching is in order, 
then you'll be gear jammin' like the big rigs!
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator
'66 Diesel One-O-Nine Outback Safari Lookin' Like You Just Came Back From 
Lion Country Big Honkin Roofack  All the Original Accesssories Overdrive 
No First To Second Synchro Double Clutchin' Twelve Passenger Tropical 
Roof Series Two A Station Wagon.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 25 Jul 96  9:29:54 EDT
Subject: Re: Pinking

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 9:32:25 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Pinking 

"Pinking" is a condition caused by the consumption of too many "prawns". 
The owner begins to affect this hue the more he eats. I suggest you 
switch your diet to strictly vegetarian.
In reality pinging (the correct American onomatapoetic term) is caused by 
incorrect ignition timing or preigniting. Usually advancing the timing 
slightly will clear this up. If timing is set to specs and you are still 
experiencing preignition, premium fuel will help. Petrol with a higher 
octane rating burns more slowly, therefore more completely resulting in 
(theoretic) more power and fuel efficiency as well as reduced 
preignition.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 9:36:31 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Pinking and being retarded

I meant to say RETARD the timing. I've been around diesels too long.
Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:49:20 +0200
From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe)
Subject: Military LR

Richard wrote:

12) a vehicle with history, and a history that can be easily researched. 
How ? how can you find the history of your vehicle ? They told me it's 
almost impossible. 

Philippe Carchon 
Ghent, Belgium
'81 Lightweight (FFR)

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From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 08:56:44 -5
Subject: Re: A Head Gasket Quandry

Alan Richer writes
> I replaced it after checking the block and head for damage. All seemed oK.

What did you use to check the head and block? I use a tool from 
Snap-on designed expressly for that purpose  (and feeler guages), but I suppose any 
staight-edge designed to *really* have a *straight* edge would work. 
If you used that method and they were fine, then I would suspect you 
just had loose head bolts and you need't worry about the fiber 
composite gasket.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: 25 Jul 1996 06:53:47 -0700
From: "Bob Frey" <frey@smtp.pvr.com>
Subject: Re(2): Pinking

Premature detonation (pinking, pinging, etc.) can do some pretty serious =
damage over time. It's not always audible, especially from the drivers =
seat with all the other noises going on. Set the timing to spec =
first..then retard if necessary a degree or two past audible. You should =
have no premature detonation at the spec timing if the engine is in good =
condition and you are running adequate fuel. Timing may have no effect on =
pinging if the fuel is being ignited by carbon build-up in the combustion =
chamber.

Bob Frey
D-90 "Red"

 ------ From: Land-Rover-Owner@Land-Rover.Team.Net, Thu, Jul 25, 1996 =
------ 

The way to deal with this is simple - find a hill you can play on, and do =
the 
uphill floored thing. If it pings, retard the timing on the vernier =
adjustment 
a turn or two and try it agaain. When it stops pinging, then advance it a =

half-turn at a time till it starts again, then back it back off to the =
last 
successful setting.

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:59:24 -0400
From: Bill Skidmore <skidmore@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: RoverWeb, FAQ and OVLR pages

Benjamin Allan Smith wrote:
>         Due to a change in servers at RidgeNET the address of the web pages
> has changed slightly.  While the Admins were swapping phisical machines
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 26 lines)]
> "...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entries from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
>  Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie
Don't know about anyone else, but I STILL can't access the pages, at 
either www or www1!
-- 
Bill Skidmore
Senior Network Systems Engineer
The MITRE Corp.
145 Wyckoff Rd.
Eatontown NJ 07724
skidmore@mitre.org

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:58:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Waving, greasy hubs, distance pieces (fwd)

> Clinton D. Coates" <uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> writes:

> Mike Cotton mentioned that the earliy 2.5l diesel used tha same
> block, head, crank etc. as the 2.25, with an increase stroke.  If this
> is the case, what part do I need to make an old diesel into a new 
> diesel, and is there a noticeable power increase for the trouble?

	Block =  yes
	Crankk = No (You can use the diesel crank in the petrol, but not 
			the other way round)
	Head = No.  Different heads.  Diesel has no chambers, has different
			valves, has holes for each cylinder for injectors
			and glow plugs (petrol has one for a spark plug)
	Rockers = yes.
	Oil pump etc = yes.
	Water pump etc = yes.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 09:01:14 -5
Subject: Re: Pinking

> Pinking: As I'm not sure exactly what pinking sounds like: How can I tell if
> I am pinking?
Pinking (or pinging as it's known on this side of the pond) usually 
happens when you are putting the engine under load (like accelerating 
going up a slight hill) and sounds like you have marbles loose in the 
cylinders.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:00:29 +0100
From: rvirzi@gte.com (Robert A. Virzi)
Subject: Re: Discovery Rentals

>While dropping a rental off at AVIS at Washington Dulles Airport,
>I happened to notice that they had about 12-15 LR Discoverys
>available to rent.  The person checking in my car said she thought
>that they typically rented for $50-80/day or $250-350/week.

I just checked, and they have them in DC but not in Las Vegas.  Now why
would they have 4wds in DC but not out int he desert where they'd be used?
;-0>
-Bob

  rvirzi@gte.com             Think Globally. ===
  +1(617)466-2881                            === Act Locally!

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From: marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk (Richard Marsden)
Subject: Re: Military LR
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 14:59:53 BST

> Richard wrote:
> 12) a vehicle with history, and a history that can be easily researched. 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> How ? how can you find the history of your vehicle ? They told me it's 
> almost impossible. 

Philippe,

We should have an FAQ and add this question to it!  It came up in the uk-lro
list a few months ago. You need to contact the Museum of Army Transport
in Beverley, East Yorkshire (UK). I don't have the address handy,
but an intelligent guess like "Vehicle Archives, Museum of Army Transport,
Bevereley, East Yorkshire, UK" should get there. I'll try to find the
phone number tonight.
They charge about L10 to look through their archives - this is returned if
they don't find anything. If its, say RAF [as I suspected mine might have
been - it turns outs its just the hardtop that's probably RAF], they'll
tell you address/contact at the RAF Museum (Hendon I assume).
They really need to know the chassis number and/or original registration,
but I understand they'll try their best with less. (I had both - they're
stamped on the VINs in the cab)

If your Lightweight is from a different Army (were Lightweights sold to
other armies?), then I'm guessing they might be able to give you some
clues, or try a similar organisation in the relevant country, or try
Solihull - they should be able to tell you which country/depot it initially
went to.

Richard (ex-Gurkha (+ Irish Guards, Grenadier Guards, and Coldstream Guards)
SIII FFR 109)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:10:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: A Head Gasket Quandry

On 25 Jul 1996, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

> Anybody used these before, and what did you think of them?
	
	Make sure you don't have one of the batch where LR forgot a couple
	holes in the gasket...

	I'll stick to copper.  A flame from a propane torch carefully and they
	are reusable!  :-) (No, not the one destined to be an OVLR award...)

------------------------------

From: "Boehme, Doug" <dboehme@rad1.pcmail.ingr.com>
Subject: RE: Discovery Rentals
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 10:22:00 CDT

Maybe they don't want them to be used for off-roading.  Of course, Lanham   
MD is close enough...  :>

Douglas Boehme
'95 Red D90 #2767
 -----------------------------
I just checked, and they have them in DC but not in Las Vegas.  Now why
would they have 4wds in DC but not out int he desert where they'd be   
used?
;-0>
 -Bob

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:32:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Waving, greasy hubs, distance pieces (fwd)

> Clinton D. Coates" <uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> writes:

> Mike Cotton mentioned that the earliy 2.5l diesel used tha same
> block, head, crank etc. as the 2.25, with an increase stroke.  If this
> is the case, what part do I need to make an old diesel into a new 
> diesel, and is there a noticeable power increase for the trouble?

	er, diesel to diesel, not with petrol engines...  Knew I should
	have coffee before writing...  Er, the only problem I think
	would be the timing chain/belt problems, if there actually
	is a problem.

	Rgds,

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 15:31:17 +0000
From: M.J.Rooth@lboro.ac.uk (Mike Rooth)
Subject: Re: A Head Gasket Quandry

On 25 Jul 1996, Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus wrote:

 Anybody used these before, and what did you think of them?

        Make sure you don't have one of the batch where LR forgot a couple
       holes in the gasket...

        I'll stick to copper.  A flame from a propane torch carefully and they
        are reusable!  :-) (No, not the one destined to be an OVLR award...)

....Dont forget to dunk the thing in cold water after heating.Does a
*much* better job of annealing....:-)

Mike Rooth

------------------------------

From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@aae.wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:13:30 -5
Subject: Re: RoverWeb, FAQ and OVLR pages

> Don't know about anyone else, but I STILL can't access the pages, at 
> either www or www1!
> -- 
I can ping the server (199.120.150.7) but can't reach the web site 
either. I suspect that the domain hasn't been replicated to the 
nessasary name servers, or it hasn't been listed properly.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
Madison,WI, USA
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@aae.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

------------------------------

From: MHKINGER@aol.com
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 12:32:37 -0400
Subject: Re: July LRO Mag

Got mine about a week ago.
MHK

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:15:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: 12/4/95 <rsloan@titan.liunet.edu>
Subject: ?

Allright, where the hell's my list? 
Major! Major!! MAJOR!

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 13:26:14 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: ?

And who let all those f***ing elephants in here!?
Nurse! NURSE!!

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:27:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: July LRO Mag

I recently got the "summer" issue from the newsstand -- maybe it covers 
July AND August. I have noticed the LRO has slimmed down a bit lately, 
praps due to competition taking advertisers away.

Cheers

John Brabyn
89RR

On Wed, 24 Jul 1996, Franklin H. Yap wrote:

> I have heard that the August LRW is on the magazine stands but I haven't 
> even received my Jul LRO issue.  Have others received theirs?
> FHY

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:30:44 -0700
From: Michael Carradine <cs@crl.com>
Subject: MIL SIII fuel tank mounting

On 7/23/96, Richard Marsden <marsden@digicon-egr.co.uk> wrote:
:My military (SIII, but I think they're the same for SII and SIII) tanks
:have 3 holes on both sides. I fitted the new tank with the 3 + 1
:arrangement as with the previous tank, even though it had 6 holes.
:No doubt there's a good reason?

 Most likely to allow for frame flex without stressing and rupturing the
 fuel tank. 
 
 Regards from California,

                         ______
 Michael Carradine       [__[__\==                    Rumpole of the Bay
 510-988-0900            [________]               Land-Rover Roughmobile
 cs@crl.com  __________.._(o)__.(o)____...o^^^  '65 IIA 2.235m (was 88")
 _______________________________________________________________________
 Land-Rover 4x4 Connection WWW page:   http://www.crl.com/~cs/rover.html

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 96 13:38:10 -0400
From: "Adams, Bill" <badams@usia.gov>
Subject: Re: Discovery Rentals

They are there so that out of towners can rent them and drive around 
Georgetown (gridlock after 3pm) as if they were actually part of the 
Washington Power Elite.
Too bad for them, the Washington Power Elite don't drive Land Rovers (IF 
they own 4wd it's usually a fully decked out Chevy Suburban) and they 
don't "do" Georgetown. They live in Potomac and Middleburg and stay out 
of the city if they can avoid it.
FYI there was a piece in the Post about those poor souls in Middleburg VA 
who don't have cable being starved for Olympic coverage of equestrian 
events. Like we care !

Bill Adams
3D Artist/Animator

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1996 13:59:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.NRCan.gc.ca>
Subject: Re: Discovery Rentals

On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Adams, Bill wrote:

> FYI there was a piece in the Post about those poor souls in Middleburg VA 
> who don't have cable being starved for Olympic coverage of equestrian 
> events. Like we care !

	I heard that NBC wasn't covering events where Americans were not
	going to win anything, so for equestrian, doubt these chaps
	would get anything on cable anyway... :-)

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