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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:40:08 -0500 From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict) Subject: Bowie British Car Show Sandy: >"same place, same time, same organizers." as last year. For thoses who haven't experienced this, do you care to give the details?!? ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 7:52:16 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long) The size of the Message Text is 6105(> 6K), So it is kept in the First Attachment begin 666 mailman.txt M2&D@86QL.B!)(&=U97-S('1H870@=&AE(&9I<G-T(&%T=&5M<'0@9&ED;B=T M('=O<FL@<V\@:&5R92!I="!I<R!A9V%I;BX-"@T*071T96YD960@4F]V97)S M($YO<G1H('=I;G1E<B!D<FEV:6YG('-C:&]O;"!L87-T('=E96ME;F0@=VET M:"!S;VUE(&9E;&QO=R`-"D)34D]!(&-L=6(@;65M8F5R<RX@5&AE(&-L87-S M('=A<R!G<F5A="X@22!H879E(&)E96X@;V9F+7)O861I;F<@9F]R(`T*<V5V M97)A;"!Y96%R<RP@8G5T('-T:6QL(&QE87)N960@82!L;W0A#0H-"E=E(&QE M9G0@9G)O;2!,4B!-971R;R!797-T(&EN($YA=&EC:RP@34$@1G)I9&%Y(&%T M(#0Z,S!032X@3W5R(&-O;G9O>2`-"F-O;G-I<W1E9"!O9B!T=V\@9&ES8V]S M(&%N9"!T:')E92!$.3`G<RX@270@=V%S('-N;W=I;F<@:&5A=FEL>2P@=')A M9F9I8R`-"G=A<R!T97)R:6)L92P@86YD($D@:&%D(&$@;6ES97)A8FQE(&-O M;&0N($ET('1O;VL@,TAR<R!T;R!G;R`R,"!M:6QE<R$@#0I/;F-E(&EN($YE M=R!(86UP<VAI<F4@9F]R(&$@8FET('1H92!T<F%F9FEC(&QI9VAT96YE9"!A M;F0@=V4@<&EC:V5D('5P('1H92`-"G!A8V4N($UY($0Y,"!W87,@:6-I;F<@ M8F%D;'D@86YD('=E(&AA9"!T;R!S=&]P(&%B;W5T(&5V97)Y(#(P(&UI;B!T M;R`-"F-L96%N(&]F9B!T:&4@=VEN9'-H:65L9"X@34%.62!V96AI8VQE<R!W M97)E('-K:61D:6YG(&]F9B!O9B!T:&4@<F]A9"X@3VYE(`T*17AP;&]R97(@ M:6X@9G)O;G0@;V8@=7,@=V5N="!D;W=N(&%N(&5M8F%N:VUE;G0@86YD(&EN M=&\@<V]M92!T<F5E<RX@5V4@#0IW97)E(&1U92!A="!T:&4@4W1O=V5H;V9F M($EN;B!I;B!3=&]W92!697)M;VYT(&9O<B`W4$TL(&)U="!D:61N)W0@87)R M:79E(`T*=6YT:6P@,CHS,$%-+B!!($AO;F1A*#\I('=A<R!B;&]C:VEN9R!T M:&4@96YT<F%N8V4N(%=E('1R:65D('1O('!U;&P@:&EM(`T*;W5T(&]F('1H M92!W87D@=VET:"!A($0Y,"P@=&AE<F4@=V%S(&%N(&EC>2!C<G5S="!U;F1E M<B!T:&4@<VYO=RP@86YD('1H92`-"D0Y,"!J=7-T('-P=6X@:70G<R!W:&5E M;',N(%1H96X@=V4@=')I960@;7D@1#DP('=I=&@@8F]T:"!!:7(@;&]C:V5R M<RP@86YD(`T*<'5L;&5D(&AI;2!U<"!T:&4@:&EL;"!A;F0@;W5T(&]F('1H M92!W87DN(%=E(&-H96-K960@:6X@97AH875S=&5D(&%N9"`-"G=E;G0@=&\@ M8F5D+@T*#0I3871U<F1A>2X@5V4@=V5R92!A8F]U="`Q,"!,4B=S(&%N9"`R M,3\@<&5O<&QE(&YO=RX@5V4@:&5A9&5D(&]F9B!T;R!23B`-"F%R<FEV:6YG M(&%T(#$P04TN(%=E('=E<F4@9W)E971E9"!B>2!-87)K+"!S=&%F9BP@86YD M('1W;R!S<&5C:6%L(&=U97-T<R`-"F9O<B!T:&4@979E;G0N($UI:V4@2'5S M<V5Y(#$Y.3,@55-!('1E86T@0V%M96P@5')O<&AY('=I;FYE<BP@86YD(%-U M92!-96%D(`T*='=O('1I;64@0V%M96P@5')O<&AY('!H;W1O9W)A<&AE<BX@ M*$D@:&]P92!)(&AA=F4@=&AE(&YA;65S+W-P96QL:6YG(`T*8V]R<F5C="DN M(%=E(&AA9"!A(&)R:65F(&QE8W1U<F4@;VX@3%(@9')I=F5T<F%I;G,L(&=E M87)S+"!%=&,N+"!A;F0@82`-"G)E=FEE=R!O9B!T:&4@=G5L;F5R86)L92!A M<F5A<R!U;F1E<B!T:&4@=F5H:6-L97,N(%=E(&%S<V5M8FQE9"!I;G1O(`T* M9')I=FEN9R!T96%M<R!U<VEN9R`@4DX@3%(G<RX@5'=O(%)2)W,L("AO;F4@ M=VET:"!$86MA<B`T+C5,*2P@;VYE(%1$22`-"F1I97-E;"`Y,"P@;VYE(#DT M($0Y,"`H=VET:"!$86MA<B`T+C5,*2P@86YD(&]N92!D:7-C;RX@22!C:&]O M<V4@=&AE(#DT(`T*1#DP('-U<G!R:7-E(0T*#0I)="!W87,@8FET=&5R(&-O M;&0N(%=E(&1R;W9E('-O;64@=&EG:'0@=')A:6QS('1H<G4@=&AE('=O;V1S M+"!D:7-C=7-S:6YG(`T*9V5A<B!S96QE8W1I;VXL('!R;W!E<B!D<FEV92!L M:6YE+"!L971T:6YG('1H92!,4B!D;R!T:&4@=V]R:R!A;F0@;F]T(`T*;75S M8VQI;F<@=&AR=2X@0V]N9&ET:6]N<R!W97)E('9E<GD@<VQI<'!E<GD@86YD M('=E(&YE961E9"!T;R!W:6YC:"!A(%)2(`T*=7`@82!H:6QL(')I9VAT(&]F M9BX@5V4@=V]R:V5D(&]N(&5X=')E;64@=7`@86YD(&1O=VX@:&EL;"!C;&EM M8G,@86YD(`T*9F%I;&5D(&AI;&P@871T96UP=',N($%F=&5R(&QU;F-H('1H M97)E('=A<R!A;B!O8G-T86-L92!C;W5R<V4N(%-O;64@;V8@#0IT:&4@:&EL M;',@8F5C86UE(&5X=')E;65L>2!I8WDN($D@:&%D('1H<F5E(&9A:6QE9"!H M:6QL(&%T=&5M<'1S(&]N(&]N92`-"G9E<GD@<W1E97`@86-C96YT+"!S;&ED M(&1O=VX@87-S(&)A8VMW87)D<R!O=70@;V8@8V]N=')O;"!B969O<F4@22!C M;W5L9"`-"F=E="!I;G1O(')E=F5R<V4@86YD(')E<W1A<G0N($UI:V4@2&]P M=V]O9"P@;7D@:6YS=')U8W1O<B!S=&%Y960@8V]O;"P@#0IT;VQD(&UE(&UO M<F4@=&AR;W1T;&4@86YD(&=O(&%G86EN(2!)(&UA9&4@:70@;VX@=&AE(&9O M=7)T:"!T<GDN($%3(%-,3U<@#0I!4R!03U-324),12P@05,@1D%35"!!4R!. 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From: EvanD103@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:16:41 -0500 Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest I posted a query to the Digest 2/20 regarding transfer box noises. Mike and Rob were kind enough to Email me directly, but for some reason I have not recieved the Digest for Feb 21 nor Feb 22. If someone posted a response to me those dates I thank you, but have not been able to read it. A direct E-mail would be welcome. I'll recheck later in the day to see if I've recieved the digest before I panic. Sincerely, Erik van Dyck Stone Mountain, Georgia '73 Ser III 88" ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 8:56:17 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries. Sorry to all for the multiple postings on the trip. I have been getting mail from folks complaining that the message was scrambled so I thought no one got it. I'm done, really! P.S. After reading the posts on D90 alternators. What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad from others, any comments? Should you have an emergency cut off switch for the winch? I would like to upgrade my system but I need some advice. Cheers, Barnett ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:03:45 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: "Truth" in advertising Sandy Grice writes: snip > In other news, the Bowie British Car Show, probably the biggest (after > Hershey) and oldest on the East Coast is back on. The organizers were snip I went to the Bowie, Maryland show some years back, either late '70's or early '80's, I can't remember, and there were qiute a few LR's there, probabaly around 10. Hope that nuber has gone up. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:08:29 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels Matthew Loxton asks: snip > this comes with the 2.5L VM Turbo Diesel. I would like to hear from anyone who > can give me some hints on the care and feeding of a TD. Whats all the buzz snip I posted a piece on the care and feeding of turbos last year. Does anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I can redo it. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:26:06 -0500 From: benedick@pa.net (Darwyn/Kris Benedict) Subject: Re: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long) The third times a Charm!! Try Again!! ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Tom Rowe" <trowe@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:32:59 GMT -0600 Subject: Re: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries. > What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad from others, any comments? Should you have an emergency cut off switch for > the winch? I would like to upgrade my system but I need some advice. - I'd go with the most common in your country. In the US I went with a Delco 108amp, although a number of people on the list use Delco's of a lower rating with success. I just believe in overkill when it doesn't cost much more. That's why I also went with 1/0 welding cable for the hot and ground, and while I was at it rewired my starter with 1/0. >From the alternator to the battery I ran ,hmmm, #2 ithink, maybe #4, welding cable. I used welding cable because it has more strands and so is easier to route. Unless the winch mfgs. have become elightened since I bought my Warn, throw out the cables that come with it, *especially* the ground cable. They're way too small. Don't know about Optima batteries in the Defender. A D owner can probably help you. An isololator would be a good idea if you're the careless type who would completely drain your battery with the winch. Or if you wanted an extra margin of leeway. An emergency cut off is a good idea. Solenoids have been known to stick. You wouldn't find it pleasureable if they stuck at the same time you were caught in the cable. (no jokes Dixon or David) Mount it wher you can get to it from the near the winch. See Alan Richer's post on converting to a Delco if that's the route you go. It's for series vehicles, but has things that might apply to Defenders. As an aside for you Series owners. If you do much electrical work (and what LR owner doesn't) I highly recommend getting a copy of the *old* Haynes electrical book (published in the '70's-early '80's, now out of print). It's the only one I could find that had a reasonable description and schematic of a US spec '67 diesel charging system. Besides it's other useful Lucas info. Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research Madison,WI, USA 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Four wheel drive allows you to get stuck in places even more inaccessible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:33:11 -0800 From: Rahul <com1@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Unsubscribe How do I unsubscribe these messages ? ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:46:57 -0800 Subject: Re: 50th Tour of RSA Bruce. The tour of South Africa sounds interesting. If one were thinking of shipping their 109 there for the duration of the trip, are therer any South African regulations I should be aware of governing the temporary import of an older Land Rover? I have a six week sabatical coming up that I could postphone a year and add vacation time to. Just wondering TeriAnn People keep asking me if the car has seen Africa ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:50:36 -0800 Subject: Re: Bowie British Car Show Is this the Bowie that is the ghost town on the Eastern side of the Seria Navada mountain range? If it is, I would like to hear more TeriAnn ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:51:24 -0600 From: William Owen <IB011CA@smtpaoc.tsc.state.tn.us> Subject: Re: FYI: Trip to RN Winter Off-road Driving School (long) I got both copies of the great report just fine. Sounds fantastic. Only trouble now is how to talk my wife into a Vermont vacation. ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:23:38 EST From: rdl@NomuraNY.COM (Rob Legerio) Subject: Recall info The DOT maintains a list of recalls that you can get to on the Web. http://www.dot.gov/affairs/recalls.htm If you have a Web browser, you should check it for recalls on ANY vehicle you own. Anyway, for people out there who don't have Web access, I pulled out all the current recall info I could find on LRs. Rob 94 D90 =========================================================================== Range Rover NA., Inc. Models: Range Rover Years: 1987 - 1991 Manufactured Dates: May 1987-September 1990 Number of Vehicles: 15,378 Recall No. 95V155000 System: Fuel tank assembly. Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose passenger vehicles. Description of Defect: The bottom of the fuel tank can corrode over time and allow fuel to leak. Consequence of Defect: A fuel leak can occur and increase the potential for a vehicle fire. Corrective Action: Dealers will inspect the fuel tank and replace the tank if needed. Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time, should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040. =========================================================================== Range Rover NA., Inc. Model: Range Rover Year: 1995 Manufactured Dates: June 1994-July 1995 Number of Vehicles: 3,147 Recall No. 95V157000 System: Engine pulley. Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose 4.0SE passenger vehicles. Description of Defect: The idler pulley, part of the engine front end serpentine belt system, can fail resulting in serpentine belt damage or disengagement. Consequence of Defect: Disengagement of the pulley on the roadway can cause harm to pedestrians and other vehicles. Also, failure of the belt causes a loss of power steering assist which can increase the potential for an accident. Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the idler pulley with a newly designed idler pulley. Note: While power steering assist will be lost if the belt fails, manual steering control remains. Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time, should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040. =========================================================================== Range Rover NA., Inc. Model: Range Rover Range Rover Year: 1995 Manufactured Dates: June 1994-April 1995 Number of Vehicles: 2,114 Recall Number: 95V123000 System: Hydraulic brake hose. Vehicle Description: Multi-purpose passenger vehicles. Description of Defect: A flexible brake hose that connects the hydraulic pump to the anti-lock brake system (ABS) valve block assembly can leak and cause loss of brake fluid. Consequence of Defect: Loss of brake fluid can make the primary brake circuit inoperable, including the rear brakes, and loss of ABS operation with a consequent reduction in braking performance and possible increased braking distances. Also, brake fluid leakage in the engine compartment could cause a fire if there is a source of ignition. Corrective Action: Dealers will inspect the vehicles to determine which ones are fitted with the suspect hose and then replace suspect hoses with the latest design. Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040. =========================================================================== Range Rover NA., Inc. Model(s): Range Rover County Classic Year(s): 1995 Range Rover Defender Year(s): 1995 Range Rover Discovery Year(s): 1995 Manufactured Dates: December 1994-January 1995 No. of Vehicle(s): 155 Recall No.: 95V099000 System: Axle assembly. Vehicle Description: Multipurpose vehicles. Description of Defect: At port of entry, a quality overcheck of the differential pinion shaft torque was performed. This check required the removal of the driveshafts. When the driveshafts were reinstalled, the wrong sized nuts were used. Consequence of Defect: The nuts can loosen, ultimately causing one or both driveshafts to disconnect, resulting in loss of control of the vehicle. Corrective Action: Dealers will replace the hardware on the involved vehicles with hardware of the appropriate specifications. Note: Owners who take their vehicles to an authorized dealer on an agreed upon service date and do not receive the free remedy within a reasonable time should contact Range Rover at 1-301-731-9040. ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:30:09 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re[2]: Bowie British Car Show Is this the Bowie that is the ghost town on the Eastern side of the Seria Navada mountain range? If it is, I would like to hear more TeriAnn Hey, I know the answer to that one! ( no.) The town you are referring to is called Bodie. Real interesting place, out in the middle of nowhere. I was there in September '94. If you haven't ever been, I highly recommend checking it out. Sort of contrived but definitely real, lots of interesting history stuff. The terrain in that area is perfect for 4 wheeling, especially around Mono lake. I was staying in Mammoth Lakes at a friends cabin, and there's little dirt roads that go everywhere, and they're all accesible and legal since they're in the National "Forest". Of course you probably know all this don't you. BTW, Chevy Cavaliers don't do very well on steep sandy trails.:-0 The British Car Day is in Bowie Maryland, just a short drive east of DC. Lots of neat stuff there. Ciao. Dave & Green Car ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial...synthetic changeover= DO IT In a message dated 96-02-21 22:50:51 EST, you write: >Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and >> manual trany lube. Melvin, If you are seriously going to install all the extra heater, block, battery, etc..., I think it is highly judicious of you to also change all the lubes to synthetic. If you are really going to see -40F temperatures, the synthetics will be worth their weight in Range Rover ignition modules. At -25F a few weeks ago, I needed to start my D90, though no block heaters, even with the synthetic oil (10W30) my lifters rattled for a bit, I can't imagine how long they would've with dino oil. But the engine heater will solve this for you, the other major point is the diffs. Fine, I got the truck started, but it literally wouldn't move. I REALLY had to slide the clutch and rev the engine to get enough torque to turn that 90WT. It was like I was in a Tough Truck Competition with a F150 tied to my rear. Only a heated garage is gonna solve that one for you. And to think that I had to push the truck this hard with everything super cold, I didn't like it at all. That is not the way I like to treat equipment. After installing the synthetic diff/transfer case lube, I was amazed at how easy the truck rolls. Granted I haven't experienced -25F again (Please, no more...NO MORE.....) but it has gotten down to +15F, and still, the truck just rolled like it was a sunny day in Los Angeles (oh, sun, warmth, easy starting, top off, bikin.....). IMHO: Change ALL the fluids to synthetic, it will be money VERY well spent. Barnett Childress even noticed a complete vehicle attitude change after he did it, his truck was smoother and quieter. I agree with the smoother bit, I don't think it is *Completely* in my head (I just spent $6 a quart, it better be better...). John, 94 D90, Afflicted with Wisconsinitis ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Range Rover's for sale In a message dated 96-02-21 23:12:21 EST, you write: >Look what I found on the internet a http://www.traderonline.com/....I >splurged and bought the list for a buck....\ [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >============================================================= > Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net" >. I didn't know LR even MADE that many vehicles...! ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:29:35 -0500 Subject: Re: RN Winter Off-road Driving School "Repost" In a message dated 96-02-21 22:29:02 EST, you write: >Barnett, Nothing but garbage recieved.. Do you need to save it in a text file >before transmitting ? ===================== Michael, and all who couldn't read it, try this one and see if you can read. I have pasted the file into this note, from my mailer it looks fine, hope I'm not duplicating other's work and wasting bandwith... John P. ===================== FROM BARNETT CHILDRESS: Hi All, I attended the Rovers North Winter off-road driving school over the weekend with some of my fellow BSROA club members. The class was great. I have been off-roading for several years, but still learned a lot! We left from LR Metro West in Natick, Ma. around 4:30PM on Friday. Our convoy consisted of two Discos, and three Defenders. It was snowing very heavily at the time, the traffic was terrible, and to top it off I had a miserable cold. It took 2:30hrs to travel 20 miles! After we were into New Hampshire, traffic started to lighten up a bit, and we picked up the pace. The snow was very wet and icy. My Defender windshield was icing up so bad I had to stop about every 20 minutes to get out and clean it. MANY, vehicles were sliding off of the road. A poor fellow in an Explorer right in front of us really lost it. He slid down an embankment and into some trees. We were do to arrive at the Stowhoff Inn in Stowe Vermont for dinner at 7PM. We didn't arrive until 2:30AM! There was a fellow in a Honda(?) blocking the entrance. We tried to pull him out of the way with one of the Defenders but the road had an icy crust under the snow and the Defender just spun opposing front and rear wheels. We tried my Defender and I locked both Air lockers and was able to pull him up the hill and out of the way. We checked in exhausted and went to bed. Saturday. We were supposed to be at RN for 9AM but... by the time everyone got together, (we were about 10 LR's and 21 people now), and we gassed up, and then drove to RN (about an hour), we didn't arrive until 10AM. We were greeted by Mark and his staff, and there were two special guests there for the event. Mike Hussey (1993 USA team Camel Trophy winner), and Sue Mead (two time photographer for Camel Trophy), (I hope I have the names and spelling right). We had a brief lecture about LR 4WD systems, gear selections, Etc., and then went into the garage where they showed everyone the venerable parts under the vehicles. Then we assembled into driving teams and got into their vehicles for some hands on training. Two Range Rovers, (one with a Dakar 4.5L engine), a Disco, A 94 Defender (with a 4.5L Dakar), and a Defender Tdi diesel. I choose the 94 Defender with the Dakar, (surprise)! It was bitter cold with the wind blowing. The instructors took us through some tight trails in the woods. We discussed gear selection, picking the proper drive line, letting the vehicle do the work and not muscling thru Etc. The snow was really slippery and one of the RR's needed to be winched up a hill right off. Next we all got to drive. We practiced extreme down hill and uphill climbs. We worked on failed hill climbs with the vehicle stalled, and severe side hills, Etc. We took a lunch break and then it was over to the obstacle course. More extreme hill climbs and descents. Some of the hills became extremely icy after several vehicles had climbed them. I had three failed attempts on a very steep accent, and slid down ass backwards out of control before I could get into reverse and restart the Defender! Mike Hopwood my instructor remained calm, told me more throttle and try again! I made the hill on my fourth try. As slow as possible as fast as necessary! That was the scariest for me. Free wheeling backwards and not being quick enough to get into reverse and restart. I know what I will be practicing. We moved on to ditch and ridge crossings without becoming cross axled. Some winching instruction ended the day. We returned to the hotel and had dinner. I was still sick as a dog so I went to bed exhausted again, about 11PM. Sunday. We checked out and it was snowing again. We arrived at RN and had a brief lecture about winching and safety. Then off to some more trails in the woods. I drove some really tight twisty trails. We waited for the disco to catch up. As the disco tried to maneuver between two trees on a steep side hill the rear end slid and kissed the lower tree. We brought the Defender back and ran the winch cable thru a pulley block to the rear disco hitch. No damage. After that the disco got stuck again on a steep side slope. The rear door was opened abruptly and it sprung the hinges. The door could not be closed so we tied it shut. More twisty trails, and we practiced marshaling to aid the drivers. Also a lot more winching. Then back to Stowe and lunch. RN had a special event for us to challenge our clubs driving, stamina, teamwork, and problem solving skills. By special permit we were allowed to drive the road to Smugglers Notch. This road is closed to vehicles in the winter and had over four feet of snow on it. We started at 3PM with a time limit set for 7PM. People were looking at us like we were crazy as the first rover hurled over the snow bank onto the road! It was tough going right from the start. The lead vehicle had to try to cut tracks into the snow. Several feet forward then reverse and repeat. The snow was loose and powdery. trying to stay on top without breaking the crust was very difficult. Tyres were aired down and this helped a little. We winched, pushed, and shoveled anything to gain a foot of two of progress. Finally one of the RR's got badly stuck. We brought the 94 Defender into the front and it got stuck too. Finally after winching free we were running out of time, and it was starting to get dark. They told me to take the Defender and try to go as far as I could. They would recover the RR and follow in my tracks. Some of the party voted to turn back so the disco and one RR started the decent. I was able to make fairly good progress in the Defender and soon we were out of sight from everyone else! I came to a hill I could not climb. We raidio'd to the RR, they were free and catching up to us. We winched both vehicles over the hill. We were within a quarter mile from the top! Unfortunately we had run out of time. So sticking with the plan we turned the vehicles around and headed down. Mike Hopwood told me that if we had been able to start earlier he knew we would have made it! We got back to Stowe gassed up and aired up the tyres around 8PM and had dinner courtesy of LR Metro West. The dealer also gave everyone a free LR coffee mug and a gift certificate for $150. I left to go home at 11PM and arrived in Sturbridge, MA. at 3:30PM totally exhausted and never feeling better! Monday I had the day off luckily and spent it recovering! I still have a bad cold. Tuesday I spent my gift certificate towards a rear roll cage and full bestop for my Defender. As you can tell everyone had a wonderful time. If you ever get a chance to take the RN school I highly recommend it, even if you are an experienced off-roader. Sorry for the long post. Cheers Barnett Childress 95 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:56:41 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: RN Winter Driving School/2nd try(long) On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Darwyn/Kris Benedict wrote: > The third times a Charm!! Try Again!! But not UUencoded for those who don't have a clue to what I am talking about here... ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JDolan2109@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:01:29 -0500 Subject: Fwd; From another list... Subj: [Rovernet] parts in So. America Date: Wed, Feb 21, 1996 12:15 PM EDT From: rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu X-From: JPeters105@aol.com Reply-to: rovernet@ganglion.anes.med.umich.edu Anyone know of a source of parts for a Range Rover in South America. The vehicle is in Chile, and was assembled in Venezuela in '79. Thanks, Joel ================ saw the above on the 'Rovernet'. Thought someone here could help... Jim '61 LR 88" SW '60 P5 (628000165) '68 P6 SC Auto '68 P6 TC '84 RR <--only days away!!! ' ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA> Subject: Whers the digest gone? Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 11:24:00 EST This is a test to see where the digest has gone. Andy Blackley sent some stuff and was bounced. I haven't seen a digest since Tuesday. Is there a server problem? Is it only the digest-ltd? Al, can you let me know if you see this note via the real time list or not, thanks ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: debrown@srp.gov Date: 22 Feb 96 09:30:35 MST Subject: DRIVING THE 109 FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB219 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 Hello friends, Just to let you all know (yeah! Like you cared!) that I loaned my RR out to my soon to be girlfriend (relax, I've known her for 3 years) since her car is in need of a timing gear. TeriAnn's comment that "plushies" are superior in the area of the beverage holder struck me Today, as I drove in to work with the 109. (I haven't driven it in a few months, and she started right up!) Even though I love the RR, I really do enjoy driving the 109. (Proof that I'm seriously deranged!) I realized that I've even missed driving her. But I digress... Anyway, I did manage to spill a drop of coffee on my pant leg. Not that the RR has a cup holder (it doesn't) but it does require a certain "fury of motions" to drive the 109 whereas the RR is so simple, you could do it in your sleep. (Seems that many people DO!) Thanks for putting up with this dribble... Dave ("Fists of fury") Brown #=======# _________ We make a living by what we get, |__|__|__\___ //__/__|__\___ we make a life by what we give. | _| | |_ |} \__/-\_|__/-\_|} "(_)""""""(_)" (_) (_) Winston Churchill ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:01:10 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109 Thanks for putting up with this dribble... Nice pun, Dave. I find it pretty easy to drive my SIII with coffe in hand, as long as the cup has a handle on it. That way I can hold the cup and steering wheel with one hand and shift with the other. Granted the motions required to drive an 88 are probably somewhat less furious than a 109. Especially a SIII plushie. The only real problem is trying to eat or roll cigarettes while driving, especially if there's a beverage involved too. None of this is a problem in my Honda Cynic which I can steer with my knees, leaving my hands free to perform other "tasks". I can almost roll a stoger while driving the 88 but they usually come out sort of lumpy. Dave ("Fists of fury") Brown Sounds like me trying to get my heater to work. Lately, an accurately placed blow to the top of the dash panel is the only way to wake up the mice. Or iss it squirrels... uh oh, here we go again... Dave "Mammals R' Us" Bobeck ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Jeff Gauvin <jeffg@minerva.ncrmicro.ncr.com> Subject: At the risk of being repetitive... Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:03:17 MST Warmest regards from sunny Colorado! At the risk of being the 100th person to ask, what happened to the digest? I haven't received one for two days :-( -- Jeffrey J. Gauvin '94 D90 ("ColoRover" ?) ------------------------------[ <- Message 24 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 12:22:13 EST (1722Z) From: LTC Larry Smith <smithla@arngrc-emh2.army.mil> Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109 To all, Guess I'm too used to "making do" when it comes to creature comforts (courtsey of Uncle Sam), or maybe too used to doing without. Anyway, with all this talk of coffee/drink holders and me being a mega coffee addict, I thought I'd throw in my solution. I use one of the Aladdin brand thermo mugs with the sip-it tops. What I do is wedge the mug in between the passenger and middle seat bottoms on my Series. Works great. Always handy. Bummer sometimes for the passenger, but ... 'til later, Larry ------------------------------[ <- Message 25 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:02:34 PSZ From: gmoore@comox.island.net (Greg Moore) Subject: Re: coffee cups Hello all, I just subscribed to this list in time to catch some discussion of drink holders. I use a non spill cup (of course!) and set it on the transmission tunnel. When I got tired of the cup slipping off and spilling all over my 11A I bought a piece of non-slip mat like they use on boats for placemats and set in on the tunnel. Works well on the street. When the going gets rough I drink the coffee first! Cheers, Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 26 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 13:27:17 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re[2]: coffee cups Hello all, I just subscribed to this list in time to catch some discussion of drink holders. I use a non spill cup (of course!) and set it on the transmission tunnel. ..ok, now where am I supposed to put my ashtray? Dave 72SIII ------------------------------[ <- Message 27 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: jve@phaseone.dk Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 18:53:27 Subject: My gearstick BROKE !!! In the parking lot at work this morning I was putting my 109 in first gear to enter a booth, when the gearstick snapped and I had it in my hand. It was broken at the ball, so there I was in the middle of the parking lot in free gear and nothing to do about it. Eat your heart out, Donald Duck! Good thing it is easy to replace. Jens Vesterdahl Copenhagen, Denmark 1972 109 sIII STW ------------------------------[ <- Message 28 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 13:50:50 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Okay guys; WARNING!!! READ FIRST!!!! (This post contains humorous content. The author assumes no responsibility for anyone who takes this post seriously. This post is an attempt at humor. Any resemblance to anyone living or dead is purely coincidental!) I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes? Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's important, but this...? Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you can freshen up a bit on the trail! Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly dead... Ha...HA, Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress 95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders) ------------------------------[ <- Message 29 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:52:31 -0800 From: mumcar@ix.netcom.com (William Carter ) Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift You wrote: >I need some advice on where to mount a set of tow hooks and a hi-lift jack on >my '94 Defender 90. I have the early Rover brush bar with the winch mounts >from the first 10 cars. What is the reccommended spot for tow hooks? Has >anyone else put a hi-lift jack on the front? Would the back be better? >anyone else put a hi-lift jack on the front? Would the back be I put my high-lift in the back using Hi-Lifts locking mounting kit. You can U-bolt it to the high stop light loop standing up and use the base holder on the rear step to keep it away from the tailgate. You are still able to open the gate and it's out of the way. As far as tow hooks, you're probably better off getting one mounted to the front of the bumper and having a welding shop strengthen the mounting point. Good Luck, Bill Carter 95 D90 ------------------------------[ <- Message 30 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Alan Richer <Alan_Richer.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 22 Feb 96 14:22:28 EST Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Barnett "I scratched it, so I need to buy a new Discovery" Childers blathers: >I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... >rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't >need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes? Now wait just one fat furry little mammalian minute....... We embarass Camel drivers, not smoke them! Damn camels keep spitting and putting out the matches, anyway... >Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and >store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of >the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's >important, but this...? This is part of the Series mystique. We, the rugged, manly, hairy-chested pilots of recycled aircraft aluminum cannot survive on beer alone. Beer is only one of the four basic Rover food groups, to wit: Beer Coffee Manifold Bangers Chips or Sump Fries (or wieners and French Fries for the British-impaired among us). This is why the FRT assembly exists in the Rover parts catalogue. You need the ravening case of heartburn from the coffee to keep you awake on all those rocky trails after consuming massive quantities of the other three groups at your lunch break >Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, >installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you >can freshen up a bit on the trail! What do you mean looking? The Series Rover is more than capable of supporting all of these gadgets and more, like the coffee grinder, wind-up radio and all of the gadgets to make life truly civilized on the trail. My beloved 109 dashboard has everything you mention but the espresso maker (that's on the engine), and even more, like: Globe-spanning 10-meter transciever holding rack for the cattle prod (gotta clear the sheep off the trail SOMEHOW) Rubber blowup....er....later on that one Urchin rack for unruly children Manly and macho does not need to mean uncivilized. >Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly >dead... And if you hadn't nailed us to the perch we'd be pushing up daisies! ajr ------------------------------[ <- Message 31 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 11:54:30 -0800 (PST) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: Thanks to lro----Range Rover question Kurt -- when I was looking into getting a Great Divide bumper, LRNA told me it was made in the UK. It is aluminum alloy in contrast to the ARB steel design. There are actually two -- the one on the "Great Divide Edition" was not as large in the vertical dimension, as it didn't have provision for a winch. The one offered as the "GDE Winch/Bullbar" accessory is larger vertically so the winch fits neatly inside. Cheers John Brabyn ------------------------------[ <- Message 32 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:54:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, barnett childress wrote: > Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and > store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of > the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's > important, but this...? Who's talking about in a moving vehicle? After some evening, er, discussions, you need something to hold the coffee cup still since it appears to be in several places at once when you wake up in the back of your Series vehicle. As for the bottle opener, you should know by now its about 5' long and comes standard on most Series vehicles... > Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly > dead... That's generally occurs at about 4am... > Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress It ain't so... > 95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders) Yes plush, unless you wish to follow Russell Burns about for an afternoon. The only chap I've seen so far turn the entire front end of his D90 a light brown colour. Inside and out. ------------------------------[ <- Message 33 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 14:56:55 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Oh Alan, Now you know I have a "Defender and can't get a new one if I scratch it"! As a Rover "newbee" I must admit I had no idea there were three other rover food groups! Thanks for setting me straight. Rubber blow up? I'm sure this must be some special recovery device! Cheers, Barnett ------------------------------[ <- Message 34 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:05:02 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: OVLR Birthday Party OVLR Birthday Party is scheduled for June 21-23rd for those interested. Same location as last year (Silver Lake, Ontario) Dixon Kenner (819) 997-1107 Canadian Forestry Service Natural Resources Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 35 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 06:56:45 GMT From: Gerald Tan <gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock In your message dated Wednesday 21, February 1996 you wrote : > The mind boggles. All list readers should ALWAYS follow this advice and > keep my signature handy....we do very reasonable recoveries !!!!! > Regards, Ian It does work, 'onest guv. I use it all the time!. As I said (name droppin 'ere) I wuz going round the LR track at Eastnor Castle, and this is how the instructor demonstarted the technique (BTW it doesn't work for Series LR's as they 'aven't a central diff). Gerald. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Gerald Tan EMail gtan@bbchw.demon.co.uk | | Purely my own opinions - not those of my employer | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------[ <- Message 36 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:13:44 -0500 From: "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Dixon, I must admit brown on the (inside) hasn't happened... yet, but I'm up for it! Cheers, Barnett ------------------------------[ <- Message 37 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:14:45 LCL From: Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party What will be the agenda this year? ------------------------------[ <- Message 38 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:05:24 -0700 (MST) From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, barnett childress wrote: > Okay guys; [ truncated by lro-digester (was 29 lines)] > Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress > 95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders) besides---if you can't get there in a RANGE ROVER you shouldn't be there in any vehicle. Thats what hiking boots are for!!! 2 cents worth + ------------------------------[ <- Message 39 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 10:51:32 -0800 From: Gus Macintosh <John.A.Macintosh@jpl.nasa.gov> Subject: subscribe subscribe ----- Gus Macintosh gus.macintosh@jpl.nasa.gov ----- ------------------------------[ <- Message 40 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:24:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Dennis Seiler wrote: > What will be the agenda this year? At this early date, I'd say the same as last year. The light off-road is some 45 miles long, the heavy off-road significantly shorter, but a wee bit more challenging. There is a hill climb in another part of the hydro cut that we are going to try (exposed bedrock, to be flattened flora etc). In the evenings, I'd say a wee bit of beer. The Birthday Party is not a huge event like the Downeast in Maine or the ROAV Mid-Atlantic. Under half the size because of location, but off-roading wise, er, rather different that those two locations. Basically its a big party. More than a dozen people on this list were there last year and seemed to enjoy themselves. Ben Smith drove from California to attend. Rgds, Dixon Kenner (819) 997-1107 Canadian Forestry Service Natural Resources Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 41 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: RN TRIP.../D90 alternator,dual batteries. Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 12:25:13 -0800 >From: barnett >childress[SMTP:barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com] >What size and brand alternator does anyone suggest for winching, lights, >Etc.? How do you go about installing dual Optima batteries? Are they wired >in parallel? I have heard that an isolator is good from some folks and bad >from others, any comments? That depends on what you're running: Parallel = double the power, but no "safety" reserve if you run the battery down. The best of both worlds is to have them isolated for charging (so that each one gets what it needs without draining the other) and providing the ability to run one down without draining the other. And have an interconnect switch or relay that bypasses the isolator (connecting the batteries in parallel) for those occasional "big" jobs. >Should you have an emergency cut off switch for the winch? I put one on my Jeep's winch so that if I bashed something real hard or if someone wanted to cut the wires and steal the winch, I/they wouldn't short out the battery starting a fire in the process. _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ N7UMU >Should you have an emergency cut off switch for the winch? ------------------------------[ <- Message 42 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 15:36:44 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, we don't need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool guy stereotypes? Make us sound like heathen's, why don't you! There's an air of refinement and an appreciation of things of quality that seperates us from the rest of the rubber-footed herds... Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's important, but this...? I don't know about you but usually my beer is followed by coffee...Plus I drive my 88 to work, so why shouldn't I drink coffee in it. Coffee is MACHO. Half-caf-decaf-latte-vanilla-almond-peanut-creme-de-whatever is not. Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular phones, installing CD players, expresso makers, and hot towel dispensers so you can freshen up a bit on the trail! CD player? Nah. I like my $20 Sears cassettte player, courtesy of PO. CD's would break from the vibration. Plus the way that dash collects water, Iit's just not worth it. Cell phone, sure. Could save you a long walk. If I wanted to walk through the woods I'd be hiking, not driving. Hot towels are in the ARB locker. Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's macho". Every Eddie Bauer wearin' yacht clubbin', trail jogging, "Men's Journal" readin', latte snarfin' yuppie in the country probably dreams of driving a Series Rover. Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly dead... Well just don't "look up" at us when you're stuck in 3 feet of mud!! Dave "Pass the 90wt, these cigarettes are making me thirsty!" Bobeck '72 SIII 88" Macho Pastel Green ------------------------------[ <- Message 43 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:20 -0800 Subject: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! On Thu, 22 Feb 96, "barnett childress" <barnett=childress%Eng%EMCHOP1@fishbowl02.lss.emc.com> wrote: >Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and >store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of >the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's >important, but this...? Methinks some folks would have to disagree with you as to the importance of coffee to a series owner....especially when there's a little Scotch in for 'flavour'. Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 44 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:32 -0800 Subject: LRNA Sales. Does anyone know where I can find out the number of LR products sold in North America since LRNA (RRNA) was formed? Thanks, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 45 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:10:26 -0800 Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party On Thu, 22 Feb 96, Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> wrote: >What will be the agenda this year? Beer, Mud, Small Mammals? :) Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 46 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: Re[2]: DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:12:26 -0800 >I don't know about you but usually my beer is followed by coffee...Plus I >drive >my 88 to work, so why shouldn't I drink coffee in it. Coffee is MACHO. >Half-caf-decaf-latte-vanilla-almond-peanut-creme-de-whatever is not. Agreed, but, Coffee is to 87 octane as [double/triple] Espresso is to Hi-test. Therefore, it stands to reason that a Discovery with the factory-installed, under-dash-mounted espresso bar and optional IV feed would be the ultimate in machesmo! (why the IV? So the coffee cup doesn't interfere with the transfer case shifter, of course) It's when you start diluting the espresso with the aforementioned additives that you regress into the "Eddie-Bauer, boat-shoe, Levi-Dockers with sweater-tied-around-your-neck" type mentioned below. >Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's >macho". [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >readin', latte snarfin' yuppie in the country probably dreams of driving a >Series Rover. Hey I bet they'd trade their Ford Explorer for one! (not that there'd be many takers, of course :-) _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ sans espresso bar, unfortunately >Besides haven't you heard? These items are all symbols of the new "90's ------------------------------[ <- Message 47 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ChrisF6724@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:22:24 -0500 Subject: Outback trip..(not really rover related) Hey, I ran across this post on compuserve and thought maybe someone here might be interested, so I thought I would post it here... Begin text:_____________________________________________ G'day from the Outback, I am an American but currently live in the Center of Australia's Outback - Alice Springs. I brought my 1989 Toyota 4Runner with me and have modified it extensively for the harsh/remote conditions of the Australian Outback. I'm looking for someone to join me as a co-driver on the following trip. In July/August, I'm undertaking an extensive Outback trip, much of it across trackless expanses of the Great Sandy Desert in West Australia. A convoy of 10 vehicles will undertake an expedition which travels from Alice Springs, NT to Newman, WA over a 25 day period. There is a stretch of at least 11 days where there is no known water sources. Vehicles are required to carry upwards of 260 litres of fuel and 120 litres of water. Fuel drops will be arranged where we intersect our bush bashing with one of the few roads (two wheel tracks in the sand) in West Australia - The Canning Stock route. Each Drop will include a 50 Gallon drum of fuel for each vehicle in the convoy. The trip is centered around personal exploration. It is extremely likely that we will traverse land which no white man has travelled before. Daily duties of the group range from "Dunny Duty" to puncture repair from the days travels. There will be days in which we will be hard pressed to make 20-30 km. Upon reaching Newman, the group breaks up and returns to wherever their home is. I plan on returning to the Alice via the picturesque NW coast of Australia. This includes the 4wd territory of Broome, The Kimberly, etc. This portion will include extensive travel of the vast Outback road system (single lane, corrugated and washed out gravel roads with lots of wandering stock and free roaming animals). The list of custom modifications to the 4Runner are long. Some of them include: (clip) The trip runs from from 22 July 1996 to probably around 27 August 1996 (end date is flexible) and will likely cover close to 12000 kilometers. I'm looking for someone who is adaptable and willing to work as a team to get the job done. It is a truly unique experience. I would expect the co-driver to help cover costs. Please feel free to contact me for further details. Some photos and the journal of a previous trip in which I crossed America can be seen on my web page. Point your browser to http://www.ozemail.com.au/~flyer Don Burke 74244.2577@compuserve.com Alice Springs, Australia ------------------------------[ <- Message 48 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:27:40 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 ericz@cloud9.net wrote: > On Thu, 22 Feb 96, Dennis Seiler <PA7508@UTKVM1.UTK.EDU> wrote: > >What will be the agenda this year? > Beer, Mud, Small Mammals? :) Small mammals are optional, but I understand that Mr. Bobeck will be handling that aspect of the Birthday Party. Besides, this may be the last Birthday Party that you can attend. If Buchanan is elected President, he intends to build a Great Wall of China along the Canada USA border to stem the flow of "bad" ideas from Canada (read bilingualism, multiculturalism, socialised medicine, welfare, unemployment insurance etc.). At least we have good beer, lots of mud, tons of small furry mammals... :-) ------------------------------[ <- Message 49 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 13:32:38 -0800 Subject: Re: re::DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! > I'm getting mixed signals here. I thought all series owners were... > rugged, macho, camel cigarette smoking, I'd rather be by myself, > we don't need no stinkin' radio's, 90 weight drinkin', cool > guy stereotypes? Not hardly > Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to > drink coffee and store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. As a tea drinker I was also wondering if there was a place to strap down a stainless steel tea pot on the exhaust mainold so I could get hot water for my tea when I stop to streach my legs. I'm willing to go back to the refrigerator for milk to put in my tea and get tea out of the pantry. Even wash my cup afterwards in one of the sinks. It just that it takes longer than I like to heat a pot of water on the stove. Driving when drinking tea is a bit risky. There doesn't seem to be a good place to put the cup and it tends to slosh a bit at the first good mud hole. Of course when finished, the washed and dry cup gets stored in the cupboard. > I could > understand the importance of the raging debate over where > to install the beer bottle opener, that's important, but this...? The opener is built into the instrument apnel on pre series III Land Rovers. No need to install a second. Idealy you want to convoy with a home brewer that has just brewed a nice ale. Trying to be a model citizen, I think the ale should be kept in the refrigerator out of reach wile driving. >Next you'll be looking for a place to mount your cellular > phones, installing CD players, expresso makers, and > hot towel dispensers so you can freshen up a bit on the trail! I have given some thought about a cellular phone for emergency calls for help but I keep hearing that you are always out of range any time you may need to call for help. I am constructing a consol that fits over the front windscreen though. It will hold a CB, a radio (Yes I finally decided to go for the plushness) and maps. Perhaps a GPS could mount up there if I decide to go for one. Being above head level, it will hopefully be above water level when the car goes wading. I have not yet decided where to place the towel holder. I plan to use the rear door grab handle and put it somewhere near the ceiling. > Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's > are truly dead... I haven't yet picked the colours for the curtains and the carpet ------------------------------[ <- Message 50 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 22 Feb 96 16:55:20 EST From: "William L. Leacock" <75473.3572@compuserve.com> Subject: Free wheel hubs The use of free wheel hubs does not save the front prop shaft. The bearings in the Hookes joints are needle roller, they work by rotating between the inner and outer races of the bearing. In lightly loaded applications, as when the drive shaft is rotated by the road wheels there is a tendency for the rollers to skid and wear, rather than rotate. This produces premature failure of the bearings.That is why the rear shafts seem to last forever ( providing they are lubricated ) and front shafts don't last long. When free wheels hubs are used and the shaft is not rotated then ifferenrt problems occur, vibration causes the rollers to move to and fro slightly, this creates wear in one spot, the worse it gets the worse it gets, eventually the hard skin is worn away. This condition is known in the bearing business as " brinelling " which occurs when two hardened mating surfaces are vibrated. It can be seen in the early stages as a series of parallel lines on the shaft or bearing cap bore. This problem occurs in all types of bearings and can occur whilst items arer stored on the shelf if they are subject to vibration, hence in organised stores the use of stock rotation systems and turning the shafts of motors etc by hand at prescribed intervals. Next week I am off to France for a couple of days and for three days in the Land Rover Kingdom to o/d on Land Rovers. Regards Bill Leacock Limey in exile. ------------------------------[ <- Message 51 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:17:47 -0500 From: sim1@cornell.edu (Steve MARGOLIS) Subject: Re: care & feeding of turbo diesels Tom Rowe asked: >I posted a piece on the care and feeding of turbos last year. Does >anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I ca= n > redo it. >anyone still have that (I tend to not save my drivel)? If not, I guess I ca= I'll save you some time, Tom. Here it is. I'd like to chip in my 2 cents= worth on the value of letting an engine with a turbo idle when you start it= up and before you shut it down. It worked for me with the Peugeot turbo= diesels that I have had. I used to let them idle at least 30 seconds on= start up - sometimes 10 minutes or more in the winter - and at least 60= seconds before shutting them down. I never had a problem with the turbo. = Carry some glass cleaner and towels. Start the engine, then clean your= windshield and lights. When you get where you're going, park, clean your= lights again, then shut it down. Tom's 'drivel' follows: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 11:40:34 GMT -0600 >Subject: increasing turbo longevity Hello all, I've been meaning to post some info on turbos for those who care. I used to rebuild them and picked up a few things along the way (sorry, I didn't pick up any turbos). =46irst, I don't know what make turbo LR uses, but most of this will apply to all turbos. Starting the engine. Don't rev it up until your oil pressure is built up as turbo clearances are less than most engine parts and it will be the first damaged. Idealy you shouldget a T fitting and mount your oil pressure sender at the oil inlet to the turbo. It's usually the last thing the pressure gets too. Some designs though either have a check valve to prevent oil leaving the line, or a direct line to the turbo from the pump. Shutting down. Don't park your Rover and then immediately shut down. The turbo gets HOT and a cool down of a minute or two (longer if you've been using a lot of boost) will be appreciated. When you shut down with a hot turbo the oil cokes up on the shaft and will eventually foul the bearings and lead to premature failure. There are available resevoir kits that are charged with oil on startup then release it to drain through the turbo on shut down. The best I've seen is a kit that comes with it's own pump and allows you to prelub the turbo and a heat activated switch that will post lube it until the temp drops to an acceptable level. It draws the oil from the sump through a fine filter that contains a magnet. If you are working around your turbo make sure you don't foul the drain tube if it's a flex tube. Turbos must have the drain port within a specific range of angle and a clear drain. If either is out of spec the oil will back up and blow by the seals and into the engine. On it's way it will foul the impeller and if it goes on long enough you can get enough of a build up to get the turbo out of balance. Once out of balance, it gets progressively worse until it contacts the housing and will take about one second to completly destroy the turbo and possibly wipe out your engine. If you must run the engine with the air cleaner removed, be *very* careful that nonthing gets sucked in. Very small things will wreck it in short order, most intake side impellers are aluminum and fragile. This seems obvious, but you'd be supprised how many wrecked turbos we saw because something got sucked into the air intake. Depending on the make of turbo, you may be able to get a water cooled housing (like the ones used on Saabs) that will help keep it cool. If you need to get your tubo rebuilt, ask if they balance the shaft and impellers. Some shops don't but it's important. Best, if it's a shop you are familar with, is to ask them "How do you balance the shaft and impellers?" Hmm, that's all I can think of at the moment, if more comes to mind, I'll post it. Tom Tom Rowe UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research 608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578 trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu Steve Margolis Ithaca, NY 1957 107 station wagon - still in Maine in 'kit' form - Damn! ------------------------------[ <- Message 52 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 22:16:46 UT From: "Mark Talbot" <Land_Rover@msn.com> Subject: Winch for RR Anyone know of a discreet winch mount for a RR. Those familiar with LRO mag may remember "SYD" Gary Pusey's RR. He has a Warn mounted up under a steering guard at the front with the spoiler removed. I was wondering if anyone has / knows of what type of mount winch combo this is. Rgds Mark ------------------------------[ <- Message 53 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ASFCO@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 17:23:43 -0500 Subject: Remote Starter for sale All: I have a brand-new remote starter for sale. ..it will not work with manual transmission vehicles. it would be perfect for the RR, Disco etc .. e-mail me direct if you have an interest Rgds, Steve Bradke 72 S lll 68 S lla ------------------------------[ <- Message 54 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Walter C. Swain" <wcswain@wheel.dcn.davis.ca.us> Subject: Re: Winch for RR On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Mark Talbot wrote: > Anyone know of a discreet winch mount for a RR. Those familiar with LRO mag > may remember "SYD" Gary Pusey's RR. He has a Warn mounted up under a steering > guard at the front with the spoiler removed. I was wondering if anyone has / > knows of what type of mount winch combo this is. My 88 RR came with a very discrete winch. I asked the PO what kind it was, and he didn't know. I got down and looked at a small brass plate and, with the light just right, read "Manufactured by Rovers North...." Last time I was on the phone with them, ordering the discrete "D" ring, I asked if they still have them? Yes, they do. I also asked about the guts, and I think I was told it is a Warn 8000#. I haven't had an opportunity to really use it yet. I don't have a spoiler either. Walt * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Walter C. Swain | wcswain@dcn.davis.ca.us * * Davis Community Network | 1988 Range Rover * * Davis, California | 1967 109 Series IIA Safari SW * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------[ <- Message 55 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:58:10 -0800 Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> wrote: > Besides, this may be the last Birthday Party that you can attend. > If Buchanan is elected President, he intends to build a Great Wall > of China along the Canada USA border Just call Lanny at RN and ask for the 'Mining Rover' kit, so you can go under the wall ;) If you don't mind being shot at, a few extra snatch blocks will probably get you over... ....or perhaps a big ramp...where's that guy who wanted to do 180s? Regards, Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 56 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SLYKDYK@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:29:19 -0500 Subject: Mogul bashing We're off to Telluride Co for two weeks of skiing...Maybe the Disco can do some mogul bashing while it's up there..Our driveway sometimes requires low if the plow hasn't got there yet (I know..I know....LROs don't need plows)....The toughest part is convincing my spouse the the Disco was built for conditions at 9000+ ft above sea level in February.. See you in a couple of weeks...Maybe one of you will be up there . We have a white Disco with bull bar, ski rack..CO # VZL 4100. Cheerio! ------------------------------[ <- Message 57 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:51:19 -0800 From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett) Subject: D90 Commuting Just a quick idle remark following on the comments about people who only commute in their RRs. I commute in my D90 and find that it has some advantages for this as well. In first gear high I can take my feet off all pedals and the engine will tick over at about 250 rpm and creep the vehicle along at sub-speedometer speeds - no stalling. This comes in very handy in some of the more traffic prone portions of the freeway. Cheers, Jeremy ------------------------------[ <- Message 58 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:57:54 -0500 Subject: Alternator goes...then what? Thought I'd post this note on this list also, problem is how long do you have to drive after your alternator fails, and you are running on your single 12V battery alone. Can anyone see problems with my calcs? I am using the standard Bosch Automotive Handbook, 3rd Edition. Thanks, John P. 94 D90. In a message dated 96-02-22 10:00:25 EST, you write: >From what I read, it's less than 5 amps to run the engine electrical... but >there is the fuel pump (still less than 2 amps). Say 7 amps on a 600 amp/hr >battery... Regarding how long you should be able to drive without an alternator, I did some checking on this today. I wanted to see if book calculations would mimick the report of 30-40 minutes with headlights, because that seems a little too short to me. I ran into a problem because I couldn't find how much a standard fuel injection unit draws, (nor its fuel pump--though I was ready to use the above quoted estimate of <2amps). Here are some avg power consumption figures I found: (all the I (current) values are based on 12volts, my book gave me only the watt values) Ignition 40W 3.3A LowBeams 90W 7.5A Wipers 5W .4 A (this seems real low for a motor and mechanical device) My own Estimates: Fuel Pump 24W 2.0A Injectors 120W 10.0A ----------------- approx Total 280W 23A Now, Kelly said figure on a "600 amp/hr" battery. I figured that value was actually 600 CCA, or cold cranking amps, not the actual nominal capacity (Ah or Amp-hours), which is the constant current that can be delivered for 20 hours, this is a standard test which can let you predict performance...exactly what I want to do here. Unfortuanately, I also can't find a nominal capacity for a real live battery, I called the NAPA store with my volvo battery number (6024, a 60 month group 24, just your average battery) and got a 250 "Load Test Amps", and a 500 CCA. I don't think Load Test Amps is nominal capacity, as it is very far from a value in my Bosch book which lists as an example of an auto starter battery, a part# 56618, 12V, 66 Ah, 300 CCA, where the 66 Ah is the nominal capacity. Fine. Lets use THAT battery, even though it seems like it is a pretty small battery judging on the low CCA number. (we'll error on the good side...) At a total load of A= 23 amps, and a nom cap of Ah = 66 Ah, DTC (coeff) = A/Ah = 23/66=0.35 as a "discharge time coefficient." Using a battery performance graph, I get just about 3 hours until battery voltage drops below 10.5 volts, a standard test voltage below which most 12v automotive devices won't run right. So, there you have it, that fellow who drove 30-40 minutes must have had his stereo with the super bass woofer pounding away, because he aught to have been able to go about 3 hours. :>) Now for the real test: Does it seem like you could drive 3 hours using battery power alone with headlights on? Or, could you run a 23 amp device for 3 hours with your car battery? ------------------------------[ <- Message 59 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:08:28 +0000 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: Re: Brinelling William L. Leacock wrote: > The use of free wheel hubs does not save the front prop shaft. > The bearings in the Hookes joints are needle roller, they work by rotating between the inner and outer races of the bearing. All very plausible, but my needle bearings were not the problem. The splines became very worn and allowed the shaft to spin eccentrically. The vibration thus caused was, naturally, intense. No brinelling there, as the shaft extends and contracts as the suspension works up and down. And, yes, it was very well lubricated. As the hubs are regularly locked for some miles to ensure inernal splash lubrication, the opportunity for brinelling is no greater than that which will occur, say, on the steering column needle roller race, I would think. -- David Olley ..................................................................................... Winchester, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ..................................................................................... ------------------------------[ <- Message 60 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:22:52 +0000 From: David Olley at New Concept <newconcept@tcp.co.uk> Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what? PurnellJE@aol.com wrote: > problem is how long do you have to drive after your alternator fails, All your calculations assume a unity load: i.e. resistive. I am not an expert (there are lots out there) but I believe that the load drawn by electric motors is subject to an adjusted formula. W=AV is not correct for motors. I recall this from when having something to do with generators, when the term KVa is used rather than KiloWatts. This takes into account non unity loads. Someone with knowledge will tell us. -- David Olley ..................................................................................... Winchester, England Tel: +44(0)1962-840769 Fax : +44(0)1962-867367 Home Page: http://www.tcp.co.uk/~newconcept ..................................................................................... ------------------------------[ <- Message 61 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: FW: D90 Alternators...and battery capacity Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:25:14 -0800 >One battery rating that would seem very appropriate for this type of study >is the "Reserve Capacity" which (as I recall) is the number of minutes a [ truncated by lro-digester (was 23 lines)] >Just my 2 volts worth... >>-- Bob W. ------------------------------[ <- Message 62 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:32:07 -0800 From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates) Subject: Galvanic corrosion Just an idea, but i am going to try it on some less structural joins on Emerson -wrap the bolts in teflon tape (use stainless steel/galvanized?) -make washers out of some suitable plastic using a gasket cutting set. I am going to cheat and try plastic milk jugs and a hole punch Am I just really stupid or would this actually work? Cheers -- __x___x_ / Clinton D. Coates uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca |__|__|__\/__ | | |_ | *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs (_)"""""(_)" *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover* ------------------------------[ <- Message 63 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:28:52 -0800 From: uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates) Subject: Series Lightweight Questions Are there any lightweight owners/knowledgeable people out there willing to answer some questions about them (probably private is best to save bandwidth)? CDC -- __x___x_ / Clinton D. Coates uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca |__|__|__\/__ | | |_ | *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs (_)"""""(_)" *If it doesn't leak, its not a Land Rover* ------------------------------[ <- Message 64 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 22 Feb 96 20:36:48 EST From: Paul.Smail@Washcoll.EDU (Paul Smail) Subject: Diesels and Imports Two quick questions for the Rover gurus: 1. Why are diesel engines (non-turbos), even with their lack of horsepower and torque, preferred for heavy off-road use? 2. Do you have any advice for importing Series Land Rovers? Both Land Rover Owner International and Land Rover World list in their classifieds sections businesses which "specialize" in "USA exports." What considerations must be taken as far as taxes and laws? Thanks, Paul ------------------------------[ <- Message 65 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 20:55:51 EST From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion -wrap the bolts in teflon tape (use stainless steel/galvanized?) -make washers out of some suitable plastic using a gasket cutting set. I am going to cheat and try plastic milk jugs and a hole punch Am I just really stupid or would this actually work? I don't think anything done in an honest attempt to stop corrosion could be called stupid... except maybe using stainless hardware in a structural application... I've used rubber plumbing washers which are about 1 or 2 mm thick, between some of the steel washers that come up against the aluminum. I think in general, the bolts aren't the culprits, it's really the nuts and washers that have a lot of surface area up against the Birmabrat. I'd feel comfortable using em just about anywhere that isn't torque spec'd as I imagine the rubber will eventually decay, leaving the fastener a little loose. I like the idea of the milk carton stuff, as long as they aren't designed to be UV degradable. Even so, the area under the steel washer wouldn't be exposed to light, so... The teflon tape may be considered excessive but go for it. Certainly cant hurt anything. Dave "Too many rust holes to worry about" B. ------------------------------[ <- Message 66 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 21:16:17 -0500 From: XINCLXLRO@learnlink.emory.edu (LRO Conference @ learnlink.emory.edu) Subject: Re: Alternator goes...then what? PurnellJE@aol.com,Internet writes: >So, there you have it, that fellow who drove 30-40 minutes must have had his >stereo with the super bass woofer pounding away, because he aught to have >been able to go about 3 hours. :>) The guy that had the alternator fail here in Atlanta drove back approximately 140 miles to Atlanta with lights on the whole way as well as about a half hour inside the area we were offroading in. He made it the whole way back without failure, we assume on battery power. I didn't figure you could make it that far, but apparently it's possible. ------------------------------[ <- Message 67 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SACME@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:15:41 -0500 Subject: TeriAnn's List of Spares & Ian's request for copy I saved it, and here it is. I don't know how to make all those ">" appear automatically in front of TeriAnn's message, so QUOTE/UNQUOTE will have to suffice. QUOTE From: TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 12:53:12 -0800 Subject: Re: What do you keep in YOUR tool kit? Tool Kit that gets loaded for long trips: - 3/8 socket set short & long sockets, short & long ratchets, breaker bar, extensions, and torque wrench. - an assortment of slot & phllip screwdrivers. - a couple of cresent wrenches and vice-grips - a set of combination wrenches, with duplicate 1/2 and 9/16 wrenches. - gas pliers, slip jaw pliers, long nose pliers. - large diagonal cutters, wire stripper - continuity tester - A couple of clip leads - a tube of blue RTV that comes in the silver tube - a hand full of rags - file - a pice of sand paper - feeler guages - hammer - assorted punches & chissles Additional Tools that stay home: - ring pliers - electric impact wrench & sockets - compressor. sand blaster, cut off wheel, grinder - pickle fork - multimeter - crimper - allan wrench set - electric side grinder Spares: - engine oil - 90 wt - rear 'U' bolts & nuts - special hoses - fan belt - water pump - plugs, cap, rotor, points, spark plug wire - length of insulated electrical wire. - a bale's worth of baling wire Probably the most important part; Before going on long trips or offroading I carefully inspct the car and check/fill all fluids. I do the inspection at least two weekends before the trip so I can have a weekend to do repairs or replacements. I restrict my Land Rover to the road or home if I do not think the car is not mechanically in very good shape. I check all the fluids just before leaving. I do not want to be the one who breaks down. I think people lose patience for someone who breaks down every time that they come out on an offroad meet. TeriAnn UNQUOTE TeriAnn - Sorry I couldn't get this on the digest in time to save you trying to reconstruct it from memory. I saved many of the substantial submissions on that topic, so my tool kit will have EVERYTHING in it... and be carried in a following 18-wheeler! ------------------------------[ <- Message 68 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: SACME@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:15:02 -0500 Subject: Brake system maintenance Following onto the bandwidth about using silicone brake fluid, hygroscopic characteristics, etc., yours truly thought he would be brilliant and suggested that the problem could be reduced by regular bleeding, i.e., flushing the water out. On reflection, and again bear in mind that I am talking here about drum brakes (I don't know if or how this applies to discs) I think I was grossly mistaken. The bleed screw and the brake line connection, on Series vehicles, are both at the TOP of the wheel cylinder, where they have to be to allow air purging, therefore, it seems to me, you could pump a tanker load of Castrol LMA through the brake lines, and you won't make a dent in the water that has been absorbed/adsorbed in the fluid in the wheel cylinders themselves. Am I right in thinking that the only solution, if one continues to use "antique" hygroscopic brake fluid, is to periodically strip down the wheel cylinders and dry 'em out, honing, replacing, or rebuilding as necessary. I am already severely depressed by Sandy Grice of the Rover Owner's Association of Virginia telling me that I can expect serious problems from the reformulated gas that our state (Maine) has mandated, naturally without any effort to tell us taxpayers what we might face in the way of problems (carb seals turning to mush, etc.), so be nice when you tell me I have completely forgotten about the framistan connecting to the gronikle on Suffix A Series III's. Doug Scott 2 ea. 72 Series III and charter member of the BB (hoping for lots of company on the BB, it will be only as strong as the commitment of its "subscribers" - Solihull product owners being in place to provide reasonable help to other Solihull product owners.) ------------------------------[ <- Message 69 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: AKBLACKLEY@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:34:28 -0500 Subject: Zenith Carbs Re: Zenith carb slop. The fit of the throttle shaft in the carb body is critical and these carbs, as well as S.U. carbs and others, will wear out the soft carb body and allow a bad air leak. In order to idle properly the mix is set too rich which causes poor running in general. If you know a good local machine shop have them line drill the body, fit bronze bushings, and ream the bushings, and install a new shaft. If there are no local companies try Hemmings Motor News under MG etc. for an S.U. carb specialist. I had mine fixed local and it worked great, and will outlast a new carb as the bronze to bronze wont wear out for a long time. Good luck. Andy Blackley 83 RR 4sp. no power junk Email to AKBlackley@AOL.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 70 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 18:28:46 PSZ From: gmoore@comox.island.net (Greg Moore) Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion Has anyone experimented with sacrificial anode? Cheers,Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 71 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Pat Hubbard <patito@mail.unicom.net> Subject: Disco Auto Transmission Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 20:59:07 -0600 I really like my brand new Discovery, but ... The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach = 52 mph. Does anyone know if this is this normal? Does it mean that 4th = gear is really an overdrive, or does it mean a trip to the dealer? Pat Hubbard Lee's Summit, Missouri patito@sh3.com 1996 Portofino Red Discovery ------------------------------[ <- Message 72 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@MICROSOFT.com> Subject: RE: Disco Auto Transmission Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:12:19 -0800 >The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach = >52 mph. Does anyone know if this is this normal? Does it mean that 4th = >gear is really an overdrive, or does it mean a trip to the dealer? My '95 is almost the opposite, it up-shifts very early (IMO) so much so, that I keep the selector in 3rd around town and only use 4th (OD) on the freeway when it's flat or downhill. The demonstrator's I've driven were like this, too (which makes marginal acceleration very unimpressive). So, to me, it sounds like something needs adjustment. Of course, maybe it's mine that needs the adjustment :-) _____ /|__|_\__(| Bob Watson | | | \ a-robw@microsoft.com |---|___|___\____ Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA | _|= |= |o_ }\ [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}| '95 Beluga Black Discovery \_/ \_/ N7UMU >The auto transmission holds off the 3rd to 4th gear shift until we reach = ------------------------------[ <- Message 73 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:12:10 -0500 From: Michael & Krista Kirk <michaelk@infi.net> Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion Is that the same as retaliating on a spammer ? -- ============================================================= Michael Kirk "michaelk@infi.net" 92 Range Rover (No ABS, No Sway Bars, No Air Bags, No EFI Light) Graduate Student, MBA Program, Old Dominion University Norfolk, VA, USA (804) 440-5383 ============================================================= ------------------------------[ <- Message 74 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: JDSalerno@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:40:57 -0500 Subject: Service manual My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or owners manual. Local book stores have very little Land Rover material available. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to obtain a manual? ------------------------------[ <- Message 75 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:46 -0500 Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! In a message dated 96-02-22 13:58:53 EST, you write: >Oh...the shame. Who can I look up to now? All of my hero's are truly >dead... >Ha...HA, >Barnett (say it isn't so) Childress >95 D90 (plushmobile? with twin factory beverage holders) I must agree wholeheartedly with El Senior Barnetto, if you remember, I posted earlier that my plushmobile came factory equipped with 2 beverage holders. Now, I try to choose my words carefully, and I said 'beverage' holders because that would leave open the choice of beverage, I didn't want to say espresso, or Fresca, or what I wish resided in there more: Newcastle Brown Ale (ok, it doesn't really fit neatly), because of the associations the SERIES OWNERS would make, and of course, post accusatorily with impunity. ...and now...this. I am full of shame. Embarrassment. VENGEANCE. ok, here it goes: I DRINK ESPRESSO IN MY LAND ROVER! AND SOMETIMES I BUY IT ALREADY MADE FOR ME...INSTEAD OF MAKING IT HOMEBREW STYLE! Whew! I'm ok now. Sorry. John, D90, with 2 spots for loose change, spray-n-wash tokens and old fuses (NOW where do I put my espresso? It's like driving a Range Rover or a Series...) ------------------------------[ <- Message 76 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:19 -0500 Subject: Re: DRIVING THE 109 In a message dated 96-02-22 11:33:33 EST, Dave Brown, he write: >Just to let you all know (yeah! Like you cared!) that I loaned my RR out >to my soon to be girlfriend ..; Some people use greeting cards, some use roses, heck, some even use Pick Up lines from some book bought at one of those naughty bit stores...and yes, some, some very special, unique individuals...use Range Rovers. What a world. Ya know, it's great to be alive. Wisconsin John. ------------------------------[ <- Message 77 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Unlocking the central diff-lock In a message dated 96-02-22 15:17:16 EST, you write: >BTW it doesn't work for Series LR's as they 'aven't >a central diff). repeat after me: Series have no central diff...Series have no central diff...Series have no ------------------------------[ <- Message 78 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:24 -0500 Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! In a message dated 96-02-22 14:59:13 EST, Dixon, he write: >The only chap I've seen so far turn the entire front > end of his D90 a light brown colour. Inside and out. hasn't been on wisconsin roads much, i don't think. ------------------------------[ <- Message 79 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:58 -0500 Subject: Re: D90 Alternators and Warrantee work/ time on the bat. only... In a message dated 96-02-22 12:34:18 EST, it was written: With headlights, taillights, etc you are going to increase that number to around 22 amps or more. I don't know how one would convert this to and amp/hr rating though. I did call last night to see how the D90 made it back on Sunday, and found out that it made the 120 mile drive back without any trouble, and that was with headlights on, and starting the car a few times. Without headlights, who knows how far you could make it. =========================================== Hey! My homework proved pretty darn correct! What did I estimate...just about 3 hours? And, I came up with 23 amps in my estimation of the current draw...SOMEBODY GIMME A JOB!!! Where is that Land Rover recruiter when I need 'em. O yea, I forgot, I'm not ready to move to England, yet. If anyone has one of those wonderful ammeters with the hook on it, go out and run your car with the lights and wipers on and post the current reading at the battery cable will ya...I just gotta see what the real answer is! John, 94 D90, and the Bosch Handbook...y'all gotta have one of these things! (and don't forget the horn rimmed glasses, pocket calculator, pocket protector, and Kraftwerk cassette...) ------------------------------[ <- Message 80 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 22:00:03 -0700 (MST) From: Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> Subject: jump on this one! >From the Salt Lake Tribune Thurs Feb 22, 1996 "61 english land rover 88. safari roof, extra cleen. 4000 actual miles. price nego. R>H> Bell (801) 896-6615 or 116 No. 500 West Richfiel Utah 84701" This is not a gag I actually found this in the paper, check for yourselves sound like a dream for all you antique owners. good luck! Tebbin salvesen 87 RR EYS edition ------------------------------[ <- Message 81 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: PurnellJE@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:17:30 -0500 Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party In a message dated 96-02-22 15:10:47 EST, you write: > OVLR Birthday Party is scheduled for June 21-23rd for those > interested. Same location as last year (Silver Lake, Ontario) Thanks Dixon. I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the following week? And is there a contact for that meet on this list? Thanks. John, D90, wedding: June 23rd, hopeful Roverish honeymoon...the following week. ------------------------------[ <- Message 82 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:12:15 +0200 From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton) Subject: Series Brake Shoes THIS IS THE THIRD TIME I'VE SENT THIS BIT IN TO THE MAJOR (THIRD TIME LUCKY) :-( >Even the genuine shoes are like this, but they come with two self tapping >screws. It takes a little work to get them started, but I have never had much [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >tap through the holes first.Works a treat,and you *do* have the retaining >tab to make sure the self tappers dont self untap! Our Landies have 2 little bolts (not screws) that hold the "banjo" on the shoe. >No idea what the banjo is for,though. DO NOT ASSEMBLE THE BRAKE SHOES WITHOUT THE BANJO ! The banjo is to stop the trailing shoes from binding and locking in the drums. Cheers, Brian Cotton bcotton@lia.co.za South Africa Try this URL http://www.lia.co.za/users/bcotton/ fore some info on the LROC of SA ------------------------------[ <- Message 83 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:35:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion On Thu, 22 Feb 96, "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@INETGATE.ushmm.org> wrote: >I don't think anything done in an honest attempt to stop corrosion could be >called stupid... except maybe using stainless hardware in a structural >application... >From what I understand "extra strength" stainless fasteners are the same strength as a grade 5 fastener. Does anyone know how to get these or how they might be identified technically? Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 84 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:36:19 -0800 Subject: Re: Mogul bashing On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, SLYKDYK@aol.com wrote: (I know..I know....LROs don't need plows).... How does the man who drives the plow get to the plow....? Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 85 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:38:56 -0800 Subject: Re: jump on this one! On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, Tebbin Salvesen <tsalves@slcpl.slcpl.lib.ut.us> wrote: ....for all you antique owners. good luck! Them's fightin' words...watch out! :) Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 86 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: CrankIt@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:49:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Mile Marker hydro winches I talked to Mile Marker and they said that they will work fine on LR's but to expect less than the rated pull because the LR power steering pumps don't pump to high enough pressure. They actually suggested replacing the pump with a Saginaw unit to allow their winch to reach rated pull power. gene ------------------------------[ <- Message 87 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:49:53 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party > Just call Lanny at RN and ask for the 'Mining Rover' kit, so you can go under > the wall ;) If you don't mind being shot at, a few extra snatch blocks will > probably get you over... Don;t worry, Tundra North with have the factory kits available by then. Current production problems are revolving about the difference between moose and deer... ------------------------------[ <- Message 88 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: CrankIt@aol.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:52:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Tow Hooks & Hi-Lift Hi-Lift jack fits real nice behind the seats and attached to the cross brace of the D-90. gene ------------------------------[ <- Message 89 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: ericz@cloud9.net Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:35:59 -0800 Subject: Re: Brake system maintenance On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, SACME@aol.com wrote: >I am already severely depressed by Sandy Grice of the Rover Owner's >Association of Virginia telling me that I can expect serious problems from >the reformulated gas that our state (Maine) has mandated, I ran a few tanks of this through my V8 when I was up there with no ill effects so far...are the expected problems only with the older engines or older seals? Eric ------------------------------[ <- Message 90 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 01:03:33 -0500 (EST) From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca> Subject: Re: OVLR Birthday Party On Fri, 23 Feb 1996 PurnellJE@aol.com wrote: > Thanks Dixon. I guess I won't see you this year, you going to owl's head the > following week? Owl's Head is two weeks after the Birthday Party... Will be there, runnig for a 1st in "most disgusting engine bay" competition... Not to be confused with those who use Gunk and other toxic substances that invoke ime\mediate projectile v*m*t*** when viewed... :-) ------------------------------[ <- Message 91 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 07:47:15 +0200 From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton) Subject: Swivel Housing Removal Simon, I think ? The reason why you can't get that collar off is because it IS a pressfit. The problem is that it takes about 10 TONNS of pressure to get it on in the first place ! The common way to get it off is to shatter it and fit a new one but... When you put the new one on you can heat the collar and GENTLY BASH :-0 it in place, maybe you can get the old one off the same way but heating it in the shaft is a bit more tricky. Have fun Cheers Brian LROC of Southern Africa ------------------------------[ <- Message 92 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:02:22 +0200 From: bcotton@lia.co.za (Brian Cotton) Subject: 4-wheel high? Gentlemen, lets broaden our minds ! There is a cover that bolts onto the front of the front output shaft housing to keep mud and gunge from fowling the two shafts that operate the high range gears inside the output shaft housing, anyway, grit caused the above mentioned shafts to stick and render 4WD High inoperative on my girlfriends Landy, clean them, knock them abit and lube them then all might work again. Cheers Brian LROC of Southern Africa ------------------------------[ <- Message 93 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:26:01 +0001 From: wassili@AMC.UVA.NL (Roy Wassili) Subject: Re: Arctic LR Disco Survial >I'm about to purchase a 1996 Disco and will be driving it to Fairbanks AK >in the Spring. Im wondering if anyone has any advise on winterizing the [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >in the Spring. Im wondering if anyone has any advise on winterizing the >Disco? Will all of the factory lubes perform ok, IE: engine, diff and Well hello Mel, You should pay some attention to the washerfliud, cause it will freeze at 0 C. LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR*LR ____ | _____/|__|| Roy Wassili,<wassili@amc.uva.nl> | /(-8| \ | Avalon Green '95 Discovery, VG-XH-66 ____|_/[]__|__\___|# "The Chameleon" |] __=| | __ |# [|_/ \|_____|_/ \_|] ( o ) ( o ) ------------------------------[ <- Message 94 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Franz.Parzefall@lrz.tu-muenchen.de Subject: Re: :DRIVING THE 109, or ouch that coffee's hoTTTTT! Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 08:28:24 +0100 (MET) Hi Barnett writes: > Now I'm confused? Series owners trying to find a way to drink coffee and > store coffee mugs? My heart sinks. I could understand the importance of > the raging debate over where to install the beer bottle opener, that's > important, but this...? Maybe it's just a seasonal problem related to the Serie heaters? Even that thing I have in my 110 lets me drive at least in think pullover etc. I onnestly thought about taking a thermocan of tea with me (fits better to the British origin of the truck ;-) Keep on rovering Franz --------------------------------------------------------------- Franz Parzefall tbr1102@hpmail.lrz-muenchen.de _______ [____|\_\== [_-__|__|_-] Brumml exmil. 1989 110 2.5D ___.._(0)..._.(0)__..- ------------------------------[ <- Message 95 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 08:51:33 +0100 From: Igor Cerutti <igor@tinet.ch> Subject: Re: Service manual At 23:40 22.02.96 -0500, you wrote: >My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or >owners manual. Local book stores have very little Land Rover material >available. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to obtain a manual? If you know about Land Rover Owner magazine, you have the possibility to order a lot of LR books from the LRO Book Shop. You can find also genuine manuals and also your 88 SIII Owner Manual for ~ =A310 (Pound). Cheers IGOR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________=09 | | | Igor Cerutti | | | Via Bressanella 1a=09 | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | CH-6828 Balerna O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O Switzerland \____=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D____/ = igor@tinet.ch |o | ##### | o| | ( ) |#########| ( ) | '74 88 SIII Truck Cab =09 |o |#########| o| '86 Range Rover Vogue 3.5 Efi |_____|_ ##### _|_____| '93 Defender 90 Tdi [_______________________] XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX ------------------------------[ <- Message 96 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 22 Feb 1996 10:50:32 U From: "Marc Rengers" <Marc.Rengers@minerva.media-gn.nl> Subject: test mail try to test !! ------------------------------[ <- Message 97 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 04:13:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Galvanic corrosion I missed the intro to your article. If you want to discuss rust/corrosion then i am an afifionado. smitha@candw.lc On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Clinton D. Coates) wrote: [ truncated by lro-digester (was 24 lines)] > __x___x_ / Clinton D. Coates uf974@freenet.victoria.bc.ca >|__|__|__\/__ >| | |_ | *Emerson* 61 lwb pickup.....mostly runs ------------------------------[ <- Message 98 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 00:53:21 -0800 From: fhyap@ix.netcom.com (Franklin H. Yap ) Subject: Why Rovers cost so much ... >I think I know why new Rovers cost so much compared to other SUVs: >LR has already figured in the cost of warranty work into their sale [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >quality from the factory, they could charge much less because they >wouldn't be paying for warranty work. I won’t get into the QC issue. But, the Discovery is actually a bargain in the US. I’ll bet the price is going to go up once it becomes well established (and its QC improves). At today’s list price, the Discovery is priced quite competitively in the US market. (However, many of its competitors sometimes offer deep discounts which can affect the price comparisons.) I wouldn't knock LR dealers open approach towards warranty claims. It is a lot better than the stories I have heard of people fighting to get warranty items covered on US made 4x4s. I think the true bumper-to-bumper coverage that LRNA offers goes a long way to offset the QC problems. In the March LROI, a reader in England writes: “ ... the specification that Discoverys arrive with as standard fit in America. It’s way above what we in Britain get. [p] Then there’s the price American’s pay for their vehicles. Even taking into account USA tax and the fact that Oregon does not have a sales tax, we still have to pay some [UK#]7000 over the odds for a vehicle made less than 50 miles from where I live. [p] Third, and by far the most important point, every Land Rover sold in America comes with a three-year/42,000 mile warranty. [In England there is a 1 year warranty.]” I was in Australia several years ago and looked at the Land Rover products that were available. I remember the top of the line Range Rover was about Aus$100k -- probably more now. The Discovery wasn’t available yet in the US but the price was in line with most of the comparable Japanese 4x4s. I’m not sure if its because of taxes, but I did notice that the Japanese 4x4s were considerably more expensive in Australia than in the US. A fully loaded Toyota Landcruiser in Australia was priced a little bit less (about Aus$90k, although the base LC was about Aus$40k) than the Range Rover yet was sold in the US for about $35K. (Almost 2x as much in Australia than in the US!) But, the Defender appears to be cheaper everywhere else than in the US. Then again, nobody else gets the high speced US version so there is no true comparison (although many would prefer a lower speced at a lower price!). I was walking along Auto Row in Oakland a couple months ago and noticed that a fully loaded Izuzu Rodeo had a sticker price in the low $30Ks ($31-32k). (This was the "factory" sticker price and did not include "Additional dealer markup.") I had to look at it several times to be sure what I was seeing was correct. I know the Rodeo starts at about $15k (2wd) and could be enticing to someone who wants a cheap 4x4. But to pay $31-32k for a Rodeo when you could get a (much better than equivalent) Discovery for about $35k doesn't make much sense. (In all fairness, I bet you could get a substantial discount below the sticker for that Rodeo.) The grass is always greener ... ------------------------------[ <- Message 99 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:01:48 +0200 (GMT+0200) From: Andrew Birrell <pdandrew@iafrica.com> Subject: Re: 50th Tour of RSA If you wish to import your vehicle to SA for the tour, then you would have to be in possession of a "carnet de passages". This document will obviate the need for paying deposits on import duties etc (in case you do not re-export the vehicle after the trip), and can be issued by most motoring organisations (eg the Automobile Association, the RAC (in the UK)). Andrew Birrell Cape Town On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 TWakeman/Apple@eworld.com wrote: > Bruce. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)] > Just wondering > TeriAnn > People keep asking me if the car has seen Africa ------------------------------[ <- Message 100 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 10:31:37 +0100 From: Igor Cerutti <igor@tinet.ch> Subject: Re: Service manual At 23:40 22.02.96 -0500, you wrote: I re-send this message, because of some configuration problems. I think now is read-able! >My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or >owners manual. Local book stores have very little Land Rover material >available. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to obtain a manual? If you know about Land Rover Owner magazine, you have the possibility to order a lot of LR books from the LRO Book Shop. You can find also genuine manuals and also your 88 SIII Owner Manual for about 10 Pounds. Cheers IGOR ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________ | | | Igor Cerutti | | | Via Bressanella 1a | _ _ ____|____ _ _ | CH-6828 Balerna O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O Switzerland \____=== ===== ===____/ igor@tinet.ch |o | ##### | o| | ( ) |#########| ( ) | '74 88 SIII Truck Cab |o |#########| o| '86 Range Rover Vogue 3.5 Efi |_____|_ ##### _|_____| '93 Defender 90 Tdi [_______________________] XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX ------------------------------[ <- Message 101 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: smitha@mail.CandW.lc Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 05:41:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Service manual On Thu, 22 Feb 1996, JDSalerno@aol.com wrote: >My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or >owners manual. Local book stores have very little Land Rover material [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] >available. Does anyone have a suggestion on how to obtain a manual? >Everything you need is available from the Land Rover Owner Bookshop: LRO Mail Order Ltd, (UK), fax 011 1379 898244 >My son recently bought a sIII, 88 STW and would like to obtain a service or ------------------------------[ <- Message 102 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 10:52:44 +0100 From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe) Subject: Travelling through Europe in a 109 On 16/02 Ian Stuart wrote that he's planning to make a trip to Europe. 'Little wrinkles that will cause problems for a 109 with a 2.25 (leaded) petrol'. There schouldn't be any problems with such a car except maybe the bill of the petrol... Be ware of one thing especially for Belgium: In the southern part of Belgium, the french speaking part- Wallonie, there is since 01/01/96 a new law with the prohibition of driving on non-metalled roads (even for mountain-bikes)!! >. Philippe, '81 Lightweight ------------------------------[ <- Message 103 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:24:27 UT From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com> Subject: NaOH + Al = blech! David wrote: "Does anyone know the chemical reaction between sodium hydroxide and anluminum?" Fizz, Fizz, emission of hydrogen, heat, and creation of salts...I believe :) Matthew ------------------------------[ <- Message 104 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 11:14:29 +0100 From: philippe.carchon@rug.ac.be (philippe) Subject: Leaky master cilinder Hi, The master cilinder of my clutch is leaky for a while now and became worse when it became cold outside. I even had to refill the resevoir 1 or two times a week. The pedal was feeling spongy. One day I had even no clutch at all, (the reservoir was empty). After refilling and a lot of pumping (I had no time to bleed the thing) I could drive again. Now (2 weeks later) the pedal isn't feeling spongy anymore, the thing doesn't leak anymore (to be honest a very, very small amount) and I didn't bleed the system ! Does somebody understand this ? Was there a little dwarf who fixed it at night or is a Landy such a good car that it even repairs itself... Philippe, Belgium, '81 Lightweight ------------------------------[ <- Message 105 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 09:45:05 UT From: "Matthew Loxton" <mloxton@msn.com> Subject: ...attempt at humour, no Dixon wrote about the very popular "Roadkill Cookbook". Please note that this should *NOT* be used without first consulting the adjunct book "The Field Guide to Roadkill Identification". Many people have made the fatal (socially) mistake of serving up dog under the mistaken notion that it was wild pig. Canine meat does *NOT* go well with apple jelly as does Porcine meat, and must rather be served thinly sliced with relish or with coriander. To avoid embarrassment, one should keep this guide handy at all times Obviously the normal guides to species identification such as calls, fecal matter, and habitat, are not applicable to roadkill identification. (Some discerning folk carry fingerprint pads, in order to extract paw/hoof/foot prints to compare with standard guides). The Roadkill Identification Guide uses more pathological aids such as : damage to radiator, windscreen, bite marks, ID documents, drivers licenses, etc. Enquiries can be made to W.H.A. Datfing, H.O.O. Datsplatt of Findemcookum Inc. ------------------------------[ <- Message 106 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 960223 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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