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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:57:08 +1100 (EST)
From: Lloyd Allison <lloyd@cs.monash.edu.au>
Subject: santana trivia

they offered a 6cyl version of the 4cyl 2.25

got to be a unique name-badge on the cars

some pictured in LRO had unique dash' and

(I think) "breakfast"

Lloyd

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:51:59 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: V8 fuel delivery questions

In responce to Andrew Howton's question about how to approach the fuel
delivery system on his project 110 with the V8. He asked for info on the
following systems.
        EFI, a good system, but for cost/repair a standard carb system is
less costly over the long term, and a bit simplier. Land Rovers are
supposed to be simle. right.?
        Twin carb, we have not had much experience with this system, better
for a UK source to answer you on that one.
        Holley, in my opinion a better, more well rounded carb. can be
found in Edelbrock. They usually require less tinkering over the long term,
and have just as good if not better performance. They also do not have the
problem of *loading up* when subjected to steep angles when you are off
road, as the larger cfm Holleys experience.
        Holley fuel injection, these are truly horrible systems. We
experimented with one, and even with all the cool *tip of the screw driver
controls*, the system never worked well, you either had easy starts and no
top end, or all top end but really hard starts. (and it wasn't the timing)
The sytem seemed to have no middle ground. When compared for the long term,
simplicity and overall cost, one Edelbrock carb, mated to an Edelbrock
performer manifold is the way to go. If you pick the correct cfm, and
manifold (Edelbrock's tech line will help you get exactly the system you
desire for the Rover V8 line)
        UK Rover owners may be able to get twin carb set ups, or old FI
units much cheaper than we can here in the states, so my arguments may not
be dollar, or pound, wise, if you can run out and pick up an old EFI system
for =A350. Those parts are cost quite a bit here in the States.

Thanks,

Mike Smith, East Coast Rover Co.

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From: Mark.Kraieski@mailport.delta-air.com
Date: 29 Nov 95 08:56:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Schizophrenic Turn Signals

I finally got around to investigating why my lower right rear turn signal 
(the one in the bumper) did not work. As you may recall from my previous 
post, the connector would not seat fully (no positive snap into place) and 
the light would not work, causing the fast-blinking syndrome for the other 
lights. This is a '96 Disco.

First, by grabbing the light assembly from behind the bumper and turning 
counter-clockwise 90 degrees it can be pulled out providing better access. 
It looks like the socket on the pigtail can support four wires and only 2 
are being used. There is a fragile plastic guide that goes around the base 
of the light and has 2 prongs that must align with the unused 2 wires on the 
pigtail socket. During factory assembly, these piece was not installed 
properly so the socket could not seat fully.

It is easiest to pull the plastic widget from the bulb and insert it into 
the socket and then reassemble both together. Now the socket seats fully and 
locks. Just push the whole assembly back in the bumper and turn clockwise to 
reinstall. All is fine now. I suspect the other signal lights may have 
similar hardware so check them out before replacing the bulb.

BTW - While crawling around underneath my Disco, without even having to use 
a jack or ramps, I took 15 minutes to admire the massiveness of the 
drivetrain and suspension components and the quantity and size of bolts 
holding it all together. I was quite impressed! Overbuilt is an 
understatement!

Mark E. Kraieski

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:49:33 -0500
From: RICHARD_COLEMAN@fmso.navy.mil (RICHARD COLEMAN)
Subject: Royal Purple

         Digesters,

             Royal Purple is located in Humble,Texas. For
         info call Dave Canitz at 1-713-446-1000. He is a
         mechanical engineer in tech services/marketing an
         very knowledgeable about their products. He sent me
         a HUGE packet of info. They will sell direct to you
         if you can't find a local distributor.

                                     Cheers,
                                     90 RR (the money pit)
                                     88 735i 5sp

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 06:53:36 -0800
Subject: '93 defender 110 leak
From: Jonathan Seely <jseely@ix.netcom.com>

This probably isn't a real big problem but it has me stumped.  I have a 
'93 North Americam Spec. Defender 110, it's great for my uses.  However 
recently I have had problems with the very simple LR sunroof - it leaks 
like a sieve. Rovers North in Vermont (they installed the unit 
originally) has replaced the glass panel once but the leaks continue. 
The water SEEMS to be coming in through the rubber seal around the 
glass panel and not between the rubber gasket of the frame and the 
glass unit.  I have taken out the headliner just to make sure there are 
no other leaks in the roof or windscreen but have not found any. Rovers 
North hinted that there are problems with the sunroof unit in general 
but would not commit to it. Has anyone else had this problem with 
original Land Rover sunroofs and is there a solution? I don't mind a 
few drips - afterall it is a Land Rover but now it's puddles
Thanks for any response.
Jonathan Seely
jseely@ix.netcom.com

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From: Lee Zeltzer <lzeltzer@isdnet.com>
Subject: Defender 110 
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:20:40 -0700

Does anyone out there know of a Defender 110 for sale in the USA?

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:46:24 -0700
From: johnc@itsnet.com (John Christensen)
Subject: D90 banter

I'ts great to see some discussion of the d90 variety.  Thanks for your 
contributions.  Although I've been lurking for awhile, you have 
finally motivated me to fire up the old keyboard.

D90 Problems.  I bought T.E.D. about three months ago.  His previous
owner obviously didn't appreciate his special nature (only 6,800 miles).
Since then I have experienced a few minor problems: 1. broken antenna
whilst (my tribute to the mother country) backing up through a rotten
mess of scrub oak brush.  2. I lost my left rearview mirror after a 
rather bumpy ride.  3. Rebellious hood release 4. annoying short circuit
that would knock out my left parking lights front and rear anytime I 
turned on the heater fan 5. A pronounced squeak which I believe is in
the stearing column (thanks all you disco drivers for your diagnostics)
6. soft top that refuses to come even close to the designated snap 
points in a couple of places 7. I unfortunately had to be towed out
of a snowy spot that had been successfully navigated by my friend
in his slightly modified Toyota (It was one of those unusual spots
where a short wheelbase was a liability rather than an asset.  I
think I would have made it had T.E.D. been equipped with Mud 
Terrains and not the All Terrains, but that's another story)

What can I say except that love is blind! :-)  2, 3, 4, have been
dutifully repaired by the dealer.  By the way the dealer has a very
responsive Land Rover rep (even if his last name is Klunker, sorry
Torsten :-) ).  

I've done pretty serious off-roading just about every weekend since
I bought T.E.D. I've even been able to sneak in a couple of lunch 
hour romps (you can do that in Utah!).

T.E.D. didn't come with a back seat so I had a upholstery shop put
in two facing bench seats with seat belts.  Now I can take my 
four kids along.  I ran into two other d90s down in Moab and I 
think they were both a little envious of my six seater!  (I was
envious of their Mud Terrains!)

My work location shares a parking lot with a gas station which 
employs a number of serious off-road enthusiasts.  I've looked
out my window on several occasions and caught them on their 
hands and knees scoping out my under carriage.  One of them even
told me that he always tries to park his truck next to T.E.D.
(You have to remember that here in Utah, every other vehicle
is either a 4-wheeler or a mini van for large families and yes,
I have one of each!)

Needless to say, I am way happy with T.E.D.  my wife loves it,
my kids love it, even my cats love it.  There is no better stock
vehicle for off-roading.

If you are still reading this you might as well hear why I bought
a d90.  Last summer, a friend and I decided to do some rock 
climbing on Lone Peak (about 12,000 feet).  There was a road
that went about a third of the way up the mountain which would
give us a great head start.  We took my friends Subaru and only
made it about a mile or two up the road.  We then started 
hiking.  It took us two+ hours just to get to the parking lot.
I noticed however that no other vehicle made it all the way 
either.  At each switch back we would see Nissans, Toyotas,
Landcruisers etc.  I decided then and there (as my lungs were
burning that if I got a 4x4, I wanted one that was really 
built for diggin.  As you might guess, one of the first things
I did with T.E.D. was to take my wife camping at Lone Peak, and
yes we cruised all the way to the parking lot (in the middle
of the night!)

John Christensen
91 VW Camper (Boomer)
94 D90 #775 T.E.D. (email me if you want to know what it stands for!)

P.S. I'm thinking hard about ARB lockers!
P.P.S. I saw a great show on the The Learning Channel about a search
for new dinosaurs that had 3 110's prominently featured in a treck 
across the North African desert.  It was great!

***************************************************************
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Vice President of Marketing       Phone: (801) 226-8977
PowerQuest Corporation            Fax:   (801) 226-8941

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:22:33 -0500
From: oldhaven@Biddeford.com (Ron Franklin)
Subject: Roverworks

As a new subscriber I may be covering an old subject, but I hope not.  

Does anyone out there know what the story is with Roverworks in Hyde Park, 
New York?  If you do, I'd love to hear from you.  If you have the same 
problems I do perhaps we can do something about it. 207-666-5614 

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Date: 29 Nov 95 11:52:54 EST
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Pickup Cab

I am trying to put together the necessary hardware to install a pickup cab on
my SerIII. It seems though that the four spacers (Part No. 330784) that go
between the back section and the bulkhead panel are no longer available. They
would seem to be easy to fabricate but I do not know their dimensions. If
anyone that has a pickup cab or has access to this part could measure it for
me I would be very appreciative.

 TIA

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   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|      (404) 875-4537
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   |     | ####### |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |_____|_#######_|_____|      1990 RangeRover
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Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 29-Nov-1995

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:38:09 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: DIY shops in KC, Missouri

Believe it or not, there were DIY shops in KC, MO as late as 1982,
not sure about later...

Had to bring your own tools, though, and no overnighters allowed.
Charged about $3-4/hr, if I remember right.
They did have air and 220V, of course.

No free coffee, as I guess they were afraid of liability lawsuits
if they served it too hot...

Could a release form be made bulletproof enough to protect from lawsuits?
Any lawyers out there?
Jan

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From: RMJameson@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:35:42 -0500
Subject: Discovery Air Pump Suggestions

Can anyone help me with suggestions for an air pump suitable for installation
under the hood (bonnet) of a 1994 Discovery?   My parents do a lot of
off-roading near their home out West in sand and need to "air down"
frequently.  It would be convenient for them to be able to fill up again
rapidly with a driven air pump system.  I haven't seen one on a Discovery yet
and was wondering...   Will one fit under the hood?   Is one recommended or
preferred by Land Rover?   Are there pros and cons for various types?   Will
it void the LR warranty?  Thanks for your thoughts in advance.  I wish I
needed to use one - no real opportunities for serious off-roading in
Pennsylvania, not to mention in sand.          Bob Jameson

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:31:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Russell U Wilson <ruwst+@pitt.edu>
Subject: Re: Roverworks

I have a ggod friend who had to go to Roverworks after much yelling and 
threats of doom yielded nothing, to remove what was supposed to be a 
restored 63.  What he got was a rolling carcas..no engine, no top, no 
tranny.  He may be interested in talking to you. I'll pass along your number.

Russ

On Wed, 29 Nov 1995, Ron Franklin wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> As a new subscriber I may be covering an old subject, but I hope not.  
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 10 lines)]
> New York?  If you do, I'd love to hear from you.  If you have the same 
> problems I do perhaps we can do something about it. 207-666-5614 

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From: "Tom Rowe" <TROWE@AE.AGECON.WISC.EDU>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:08:32 GMT -0600
Subject: Re: ^ cyl. Trivia

Yes, the manifold pipe does pass through the wheel well on the 6 cyl., 
but it also does on the diesel. So to tell the difference you need to 
know that the 6 cyl. pipe is larger.
The one tell tale difference I've seen on every NADA 109 6cyl that 
I've looked at is that they all had heated windscreens. I haven't 
seen any other '67 (the only year the six was in the US) 109's with 
heated windsreens.

Tom Rowe
UW-Madison Center for Dairy Research    
608-265-6194, Fax:608-262-1578        
trowe@ae.agecon.wisc.edu                

 Four wheel drive allows you to get
 stuck in places even more inaccessible.

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:37:33 -0500
From: oldhaven@Biddeford.com (Ron Franklin)
Subject: response Roverworks

Thanks to all who replied so promptly.  I am in touch with the right people now.

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:59:04 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: Diesels

Possibly of interest to fans of diesel engines: a press release about VW's 
new TDI, at http://www.vw.com/news/vw41395a.htm

-Matt

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 13:12:54 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: v8 valve seats

Subject: 3.5 unleaded heads

Dear list,

were '83 UK version v8 equipped with unleaded valve seats?
What about CR? Hardcastle says 9.35:1 in '83, 8.5 in '81-82.
I can't find the CR stamped on the block, just the engine number.

Also, how common are truck 4.4 engines in the UK? OZ?

Thanks
Jan

--MAA21493.817666185/transfer.stratus.com--

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:01:51 -0700
From: David Dodell <david@dental.stat.com>
Subject: Britian's Model of Discovery

Does anyone know of someone who has in stock the Britains' model of the
Discovery?

I'm trying to find one for a holiday present.

David Dodell
---
Internet : david@dental.stat.com
WWW   : http://www.stat.com/~david
Telephone: +1-602-860-1121
FAX      : +1-602-451-1165

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Subject: Re: DIY shops in KC, Missouri 
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:12:13 -0800
From: Benjamin Allan Smith <bens@archimedes.vislab.navy.mil>

In message <199511291733.MAA12355@butler.uk.stratus.com>you wrote:
  
> Could a release form be made bulletproof enough to protect from lawsuits?
> Any lawyers out there?

	Last I heard relase forms do more harm than good because by having
the form you admit that there is a danger that you might be responsible
for.  Also I have yet to here of a bulletproof form because of laws that say
now matter what, you can't sign away your rights.

	As a side note, US miltary bases sill have the DIY shops.  Or
at least NAWC, Weapons, China Lake does.   Very convenient.

Ben
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Benjamin Smith------------bens@vislab.navy.mil---------1972 Land Rover SIII 88
 Science Applications International Corporation
 Naval Air Warfare Center, Weapons Division, China Lake

"...If I were running such a contest, I would specifically eliminate any entry
 from Ben involving driving the [Land] Rover anywhere.  He'd drive it up the
 Amazon basin for a half can of Jolt and a stale cookie..."  --Kevin Archie

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 14:03 MST
From: jhoward@argus.lowell.edu (James D. Howard II)
Subject: Discovery fuel tank access

> Gerry "and his amazing airborne Disco" Elam

Gerry!  When I was down there last week, you didn't say this was how
you turned that cooler over!  Must be rough, there, with all that
wilderness to explore a mile from your house.

James, who is happy because he got to drive his SIII for the
first time in a month today.

 

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:10:19 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: front hitch receiver?

Anyone know where I might find a prefab front trailer hitch receiver for a 
Range Rover?

-Matt

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From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:52:08 -0500
Subject: Models

Does anybody know of a source of glue-together type Land-Rover models? I
Found 1 thru Triple C in Pennsylvania 717=854=4081 . Still looking for other
sources... any help would be appreciated  Thanks        Steve    72 slll 88

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 16:47:24 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: new emissions law in NJ, IM240

Hi All,

On one hand, don't want to take up the time, OTOH, most
people I talk to in NJ don't have a clue about it, so...

In NJ we're getting a new emissions law, starting '98.
It's "detuned" EPA's im240,  drafted by SCS-1700, so it's
not so much the new testing law, as a new enforcement/policing/punishment
regulation, which includes:

- unregistered vehicle confiscation from your driveway
- minimum $586 repair bill before you're allowed to attempt reinspection
- $100 min. to $200 for first offense of driving w/o inspection sticker
- confiscated vehicles sold to industrial polluters for EPA "credits", so
  *they* don't have to clean up their shit...

(Don't bother telling me it's not correct, unless YOU have read the document
as well, and you want to dispute its interpretation)

Here is the question:
Outside NJ:
- is your state deemed "uncompliant" by EPA
- are you getting a version of IM-240? (I know PA,AZ,TX are)
- what stage is it in?

in NJ:
- do you care? (never mind, just a bit of rhetoric)
- what have you heard of it? where?
- call Senate Legislative Services 800#, ask for a copy of SCS-1700
  it's free, so is the phone call.
  Sorry, can't find the 800 anymore. called info, they only have PAID number
  now :)   (gee, that's a surprize).
  I called, they automatically send you a "fact sheet" from DEP/DOT (totally
  unbiased, like, fer sure!)
  You have to ask for the SCS-1700 itself to get that, too.

here is the number (609)-530-4036, and it's the NJ EP Transp. control dept.,

Sorry to take the bandwidth, but I think this is important.

Jan
please e-mail
jib@big.att.com

my own opinions and my own soapbox.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date: 28 Nov 95 11:58:35 EST
Subject: O/D noise: Could I have a loose shaft nut?

Just had a thought....(so, nu?)

The OD on my old 109 has a distinctve growl while under power, a quieter growl 
when coasting in gear, and a different noise going from one to the other. As 
the SPO had a tendency to tighten and loosen things with a damn chisel, does 
current opinion think that perhaps the mainshaft nut on the silly OD might be 
loose?
I will say that it's not noisy unless in overdrive, and changing the oil in the 
OD had no effect.

Opinions? -Alan

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:21:05 -0500
From: rover@pinn.net (Alexander P. Grice)
Subject: Lost in the ozone...

Got a call today from some Gen-X flack at Grace & Rothchild, Land Rover's ad 
agency in New York.  Seems they had heard of us on the web and wanted to 
advertise in our newsletter.  I told him that we were pretty small potatoes 
compared to the publications that they were used to dealing with, but he 
still wanted our ad rates.  Anyway, I described the newsletter and mentioned 
that The Gearbox has been the first newsletter to report the results of the 
Camel Trophy for the past seven years.

"Camel Trophy?  What's that?"  (Sheesh....)

"Well, its the olympics of four wheel driving..."

"Say, that's pretty catchy.  Can I use it?"

"Well, *sure*."

I patiently explained the concept of the Trophy, Rover's involvement and 
such, but it seems to me that if you are going to advertise the product, you 
should bloody well know something about it!

Anyway, that reminds me of a joke.  (Smooth segue, eh?)

What's the difference between a refrigerator salesman and a Land Rover salesman.

Well, one has to know the product throughly - its history, the origins of 
the company, the strength of the design, its cost of ownership and be able 
to answer any questions that the customer may ask especially in regrard to 
product durability.  As to the Land Rovers, they sell themselves.  Cheers
      *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"----*
      |               A. P. (Sandy) Grice                   |
      |       Rover Owners' Association of Virginia         |
      |    1633 Melrose Parkway, Norfolk, VA 23508-1730     |
      |  E-mail: rover@pinn.net  Phone: 804-622-7054 (Day)  |
      |    804-423-4898 (Evenings)    FAX: 804-622-7056     |
      *-----------------------------------------------------*

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Subject: Re: new emissions law in NJ, IM240 
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:21:44 -0700
From: Drew Eckhardt <drew@poohsticks.org>

In message <9511292143.AA17184@big.info.att.com>, jib@big.att.com writes:
>Outside NJ:
>- is your state deemed "uncompliant" by EPA

Yes (CO).

>- are you getting a version of IM-240? (I know PA,AZ,TX are)

Yes.

>- what stage is it in?

Already implemented.  

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@wellsfargo.com>
Subject: Auto Bleed Screws
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:02:00 PST

Tom Rowe said: 
>ABP used to sell (maybe they still do) a spring loaded bleed screw
>that owuld let one person bleed their brakes. Theory was that it
>would close on the up stroke to prevent air infiltration.
>I bought one but never put it to the test.

They are bleed screws in more way than one.

Before ABP had  em a guy in Northern Calif (had a couple Dormobiles) was the 
distributor for these things.  Put  em on both my 88s.  They only sorta 
worked and after a couple years caused be a great deal of grief when they 
fell apart while trying to use  em.  Ended up replacing all my wheel 
cylinders.  YMMV.

Gerry 72 88
*** Needless to say, Frank's family was upset when he didn't come home that 
night, but everybody understood that the human population had doubled in 
just two generations to almost six billion, so some thinning of the herds 
was necessary to prevent starvation.      --Calvin (sans Hobbes)

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:02:02 -0800 (PST)
From: David Rosenbaum <rosenbau@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Britains Discovery Toys in US

I deleted the entry inquiring about Britains Toy Discovery.

Rover's North Holiday Special Flyer lists:

BRITAINS: Discovery  9480   $22.50
Police Discovery     9481   $25.00
Discovery Rally      9482   $25.00

You can phone them for more info. or to order:
(802) 879-0032      M-F 7AM-5:30PM, Sat 7AM-Noon E.S.T.

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From: "Mugele, Gerry" <Gerry.Mugele@wellsfargo.com>
Subject: RE: Front Plates
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:22:00 PST

 -David Rosenbaum recounts:

>A couple of months later I DID get stopped by Seattle police and got a
>$70 dollar ticket (not interested in explanation). Then attached the lics
>plate to the front grille with 4 zip ties....

 -Christopher Boese responds:
>That seems petty. Damn. On the other hand, I drove the predecessor to my
>Discovery, an '88 Acura Integra, for seven years without a front plate, got
>stopped two or three times for other things, and never was cited.

My 83 Mercedes has been without front plate most of its life - 10 years ago 
a meter maid tagged me for it.  And I still had time on the meter! :(  Musta 
been frustrated cause I hadn't parked overtime. :-)  Anyway at the time it 
was a "fix it" ticket, meaning fix it and get a cop to sign off and you're 
okay.  Well I hung the plate on and found a CHP and asked him for his 
signature.  His comment was (sarcastically phrased): "I sure hope that you 
didn't put anybody at risk driving around like that."  Then he mumbled 
something rude about San Francisco law enforcement officers.  :-)   Made me 
feel much better about the whole thing.

The plate was removed again that evening and has been sitting in my Garage 
ever since.

Gerry 72 88
*** Needless to say, Frank's family was upset when he didn't come home that 
night, but everybody understood that the human population had doubled in 
just two generations to almost six billion, so some thinning of the herds 
was necessary to prevent starvation.      --Calvin (sans Hobbes)

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: v8 valve seats
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:15:33 +1030 (CST)

Jan asks:
> Subject: 3.5 unleaded heads
> were '83 UK version v8 equipped with unleaded valve seats?
> What about CR? Hardcastle says 9.35:1 in '83, 8.5 in '81-82.
> I can't find the CR stamped on the block, just the engine number.

Rumours circulating OZ suggest that while the early 9low comp) motors can run
unleaded (I do) it wasnt until post 86 that the metallurgy was really worked
out.  As I say this is a rumour, I have no idea if any changes were made.

I'm assuming that the engine no. is stamped below the exhaust manifold near
the dipstick tube.  Uuumm.. maybe the prefix for the number will identify the
origin and CR if it isnt stamped.  Why not post the prefix and see.   If the
number is stamped at the LH rear of the block it is probably an early block.
ISTR that the first 3 or 4 numbers of these early motors identify them. 
 eg 4400* is a '72 4.4L 9.0:1 CR

> Also, how common are truck 4.4 engines in the UK? OZ?

Dont know about UK.  The Low comp ~8:1 Terrier motor is probably still
reasonably common from wreckers (if all the boat racing boys havent bought
them all) *but*  When I went looking for the pistons for these I could find 5
only scattered around the country.  So I concluded that a low comp 4.4 was a
no go zone.   There still seem to be a few 4.4L 9:1 P76 car engines about,
rebuilders seem to sell around $300 AUD.  As the hardcastle book mentions the
heads are unique and standard rocker gear in now hard to find.  I've heard
that roller rockers from other vehicles will fit but.....  It is possible to
use rover heads on the leyland 4.4.

Brian Tid is the LRO guru on these suckers, his efi 5.0L will be a beast I'm
sure.

Most people now fit 4.2 strocker kits to the 3.5.  The 4.4 has buckets of low
down torque but runs out of breath and is not as free reving, at least in
standard form.  I'm sure minor modifications would solve this.

Hey I've got a trivia question related to this stuff.

Which vehicle won the 4x4 section of the London to Sydney Marathon in the  ?
mid? 70's.  What capacity motor was fitted and what fueling system was used.

For the real hot shots.  What brand of shock was used and from what vehicle
were they derived.  :-)

Idle minds..

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 20:43:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Trivia

To answer the trivia from two days ago, I was thinking about the exhaust 
downpipe that is visible just inside the front left wheelwell.  Also, I 
think that the radiator chassis member is slightly forward, but barely 
visible from far away...

To yesterday's trivia concerning Santana Rovers, there are a ton of very 
noticable differences throught the product line:
1. Some models had a one-piece windshield with 3 wipers.
2. The bonnet of early V8s was the original style with a very peculiar 
looking grille that filled up the 4-5" gap between the front of the 
bonnet and the front of the radiator itself.
3. The very obvious chopped front wings on many models.
4. 109" hardtop regulars had two large fixed windows on the side (and 
some even had dual alpine windows).
5. There was a model called the series IIIA which sold in the early 80s 
b/c Santana thought that the coil sprung models wouldn't be popular in 
their markets - so they had revised facias with vents and plastic pieces all over ( a step 
further than the series III had gone - especially w/ the use of hard 
plastic vs. the softer type typical of UK built IIIs)
6. The Sanana 2000 was a very different Forward Control model and was 
sold for all types of non-military purposes (lorries, tow trucks etc.).  
It actually reminds me a lot of the Llama that LR in UK never ended up 
producing.
7. They sold a special 88" model (I'm spacing on the name) which came in 
orange, yellow and red (I think) color choices, had a black softtop and 
the funky wings - not too cool in my opinion, but it was very different 
and more upscale than anything that the UK was offering.

I could go on, but those were some of the major differences that come to 
mind right now - if I remember more, I'll post them.  As to Steve's query 
about Santana LRs in the US, I knew of one 109" for sale in western Mass. 
last year.  It sounded great on paper, but seemed expensive.  Also, I 
believe a fellow named Bill in Cincinnati has one that Jeff wrote up in 
the RN newsletter last year.  

Frank Twarog
Burlington, VT

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:41:47 -0800
From: jjbpears@ix.netcom.com (Jeremy Bartlett)
Subject: Large Starter Dog Torque - Free at Last

Well I finally assembled the right combination of tools, brute force, 
and the requisite ignorance and got the starter dog off the Turner to 
install the BP alternator mounts etc.  Pheww.

Now of course the next question arises.  This dog is larger than the 
earlier (?) engine dogs (1 7/8" vs. 1 11/16").  Does anyone know the 
torque setting?  The smaller one receives 150 ftlbs.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to use a torque wrench to get it off.  This 
would have given me some idea.
Nor do I currently know if the thread is the same size as the earlier 
with only a different head diameter (I suspect this is the case).

There was no lock tab on the unit and not any sign of locktite type 
compound (only some metallic grease).  Should I install such or not 
worry about it?

My inclinations are to torque to just under 150 ftlbs and leave out the 
locking gizmos as in the original.

Cheers,

Jeremy

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From: "Gerald" <g@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:20:34 -0500
Subject: Disco in the snow - at last

With less than 10 cm of snow I got a chance to drive with the
differential locked. Very hard to move the lever.

Also the ABS finally did its thing. I wasn't expecting the clicking 
to be so loud or the pedal movement to be so large. Much more 
noticeable than my wife's Camry.

Waved to a Disco this morning, but the driver had one hadn on the 
wheel and the other on the phone.

--
Gerald
g@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 23:22:11 -0500
From: ecrover@midcoast.com (Mike Smith)
Subject: oops

Dear digest
Yesterday I was talking about fuel injection/ carbs. for fellow Rover fan,
Andrew H. In the email I tpyed the symbol for pounds sterling... in regards
to locating an old EFI or dual carb system for what I meant as 50 pounds.
Well I have to apologize for my new comer mistakes, Dixon Kenner brought it
to my attention that the symbol for british pounds translates to something
like A=3 when sent out on the net.
Sorry about that, but at least I'm learning from my mistakes.

Mike Smith, ECR

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