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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 03:12:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Landy/BMW and US army Rovers

Lloyd sez...

> the exhaust note of their bikes!  Maybe LR could copyright
> an oil-stain?

/

Harley *did* copyright their exhaust sound about a month ago. Besides
Harley's sound, I think that about 17 or 18 other sounds have been
copyrighted. It's getting so you can't pass gas without having to pay some
bozo a royalty...

Cheers
Mike
  

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Date: 01 Nov 95 05:09:44 EST
From: Cliff  Kavanaugh <76262.1154@compuserve.com>
Subject: 1988 Range Rover for sale

1988 Range Rover for sale for $12,950.  It has 115k miles but is in excellent
condition.  I live near Fredricksburg VA off I -95, between Washington DC and
Richmond VA.  I am NOT anxious to sell.
Cheers Cliff 

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Subject: Re: Camel Trophy '95 Video
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 08:58:41 -0500
From: Gary Mitchelson <garym@cais.cais.com>

-- [ From: Gary Mitchelson * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

> Subject: Re: Camel Trophy '95 Video
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
> Any chance of getting a copy of the tape, Bob?  We don't get ESPN-2 in my 
> village of 6 million (San Francisco Bay Area).  I'll of course pay for 
tape,
> shipping & handling, etc.
> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net

I taped it yesterday. If anyone can dup it I am willing to send them my copy
>.

--
Gary Mitchelson                    
garym@racalrecord.com           
           

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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 09:30:59 EST
Subject: Re[2]: Ramblings

     I believe the code name for the 1987 and 1988 US spec Range Rovers was 
     the Eagle.
     
     Mike

> Subject: Re: Ramblings
> Author:  Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu> at inetmail

	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 31 lines)]
> Howzat?
> Jon

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 06:42:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy '95 Video

Thanks, Gary.  I've already got a copy coming.  Maybe some else out there 
in Roverland will want a copy.

Many thanks,
John

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:13:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon Kenner <dkenner@emr1.emr.ca>
Subject: The RoverWeb has moved to a new home.

    	Many years ago TerriAnn wrote a short 12k file about the
    	Land Rover for the British Cars mailing list.  Little did 
	she know that this file would eventually form the basis of 
	a much larger document and a World Wide Web site.

    	About three/four years ago, I took TerriAnn's short document and
    	wrote the first Land Rover FAQ.  Over subsequent months, the
    	FAQ grew until it stabilised at approximately 99k.

    	Later, Greg Hiner took this version of the FAQ, and a longer
    	(115k) version and wrote the first RoverWeb for Land Rover
    	owners on the Internet.  Eventually, time restraints, load
    	restrictions, etc. on the first RoverWeb site grew to an
    	extent where the site had to be moved.

    	At this time, both Ray Harder and I volunteered.  After some
    	discussion, it was agreed that Ray would take over the site,
    	put time and effort into the RoverWeb, and help it grow further.
    	Ray's efforts have created the best source of Land Rover information
    	on the InterNet.  The RoverWeb even managed to get publicised
    	briefly in the latest edition of Land Rover World where it
    	is described as "the tip for lots of stuff on specifications,
    	parts, general maintenance etc etc is the following address:
    	http://www.missouri.edu/RoverWeb/."  It has also been described
	as the premier Rover site on the InterNet by others.

     	Lately, time constraints have eaten into the time that Ray has
     	available to maintain the site and it became necessary to move
     	the site yet again.  I and Ben Smith have volunteered to take over
     	the RoverWeb and given it a new home.  After several weeks of work,
     	Ben and I can happily announce that it is ready in its new home.
     	As of this morning, the RoverWeb has been moved to a new site.  

     	The RoverWeb now sits beside the Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
     	web site, which itself carries a great amount of information
     	(Hey, every club seems to be getting into the WWW trip, so we
    	figured that it was about time the largest and oldest Canadian
     	club got its Internet act together...  :-))
 
     	The FAQ has again been expanded to where it is now approximately 
	270k in size.  Many portions have been completely rewritten and
    	greatly expanded.  The Clubs section allows users to jump to
     	other Land Rover club web sites here they are known to exist.
     	Club information, while still incomplete, has been expanded to
     	give more known information about existing, or past Land Rover,
    	or Rover clubs.  New sections have been added, such as the
     	Guide to Identifying Land Rovers, production data etc.

     	The URL's for the two new sites are:

	The official OVLR page	http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/OVLR/

	The new RoverWeb	http://www.ridgecrest.ca.us/RoverWeb/

	Come check out the new OVLR and RoverWeb site.

	Regards,

	Dixon Kenner

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From: Easton Trevor <TEASTON@DQC2.DOFASCO.CA>
Subject: LR Ovals
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 10:20:00 EST

US Right
Canada Right
Australia Either
UK The Oval is in North London
 (Marylebone Cricket Club)

Trevor Easton

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From: lenagham@inetmail.bachman.com
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 09:50:28 EST
Subject: Re: Range Rover Brake Squeal

     Someone posted a message last week on using some shims (or shim 
     material) available from import auto stores in the US. I have lost my 
     copy of that message and would like to follow up.
     
     If anyone out there still has a copy would they please forward it to 
     me. Sorry for any inconvenience.
     
     Regards
     Mike Lenaghan
     87 Range Rovers (2)

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From: "Ahmad Ijaz" <AIJAZ@alston.cba.ua.edu>
Date:          Wed, 1 Nov 1995 08:58:56 CDT
Subject:       Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

    Camel Trophy 95 will be shown on regular ESPN twice around the end 
of November, I think its 28th and 30th.  You can call ESPN at 203-585-
2236 for a recorded viewer info. service.

    I too could not find any pull-out calender in November issue of 
Four Wheeler.

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:52:25 -0500
Subject: Re: RE: Heater vents/controls '90 RR

>>I have the same problem with lack of hot air flow through the fascia vents
in my 90 RR County.

Hot air is not supposed to flow through the facia vents, only rammed air
fresh or A/C.  The A/C system is completely seperate from the heating system.
 The dash of your RR is essentially a hollow chamber from the passenger door
to the steering wheel, and then a flexible tube connects this chamber to the
far left dash vent (The tube resistance is why the A/C air coming from the
far right vent is so feeble.  Someone online here solved the problem with a
2" auxilliary fan spliced inline.)  There are two hefty fans that scoop up
the air around the front seat passenger's knees, cool it and then blow it
through the hollow dash and out the facia vents.  The reason you don't have a
glove box is because that's where the A/C element is.  

On most American cars the A/C & heated air paths are mixed, so during cool
damp weather you can heat the air conditioned air to get warm, dry air for
rapid defogging.  You can't do that on the RR, so that's why they added that
strange setting on the controls that blows freezing dry air out the facia
vents along with hot air out the heater or defroster.

Don't get intimidated by stripping the dash.  It's really pretty easy, and
for the most part just screws.

Good luck. - Tony

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:58:56 -0500
Subject: Re: RE: Heater vents/controls '90 RR

>>The clock is very stubborn and requires a bit of patience and brute force.

No, no!  On an '89 the clock is a piece of cake, it's the mirror controls
that require the brute force.

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From: Sanna@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:03:23 -0500
Subject: Camel Trophy Video

If anyone out there is duping this tape, maybe they could survey this group
for additional videos.  I'd be willing to buy one.

And if there were enough people interested, it might pay to have a video
duping service do it instead of copying it one tedious tape at a time.  I've
seen prices in quantities down to $3 a copy.

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From: BobandSueB@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:18:25 -0500
Subject: automatic choke for series

Alan Richer asked,,

Subject: Bogus idle when cold - any hints?

My 109 has an odd problem when started on a cold(er) morning. With the choke,
er, cold start control pulled to close the butterfly and kick up the idle it
starts fine, but after idling a few minutes, it seems to load up with gas and
stall.

Duncan Said,,
    So if you truly want a vehicle you can start and leave alone in the
   driveway for minutes while it warms up, you need something with an
   automatic choke...which I've never seen for a Series Rover (short of
    a Chevy V-6 or Rover V-8 conversion!)  It's probably worth pointing
    out here that warming a vehicle up like that wastes gas, pollutes
    the environment needlessly, etc.  Half a minute or less of warmup
    and attentive adjustment of the choke as the vehicle warms up while
    you drive it down the road is the "best" approach.

    (If I totally misunderstood what you were saying, you already know
    how chokes work, and you find the preceding patronizing, please
    forgive me!)

    Duncan

Hi Alan and Duncan,,

If someone goes to a weber two barrel, a usual choice is 32/36 DGV.
However if you get a 32/36 DGAV, it has an electric automatic choke.
All is needed is a 12v connection from ignition switch.
My guess is there probably is a weber one barrel with the same option.

Bob Bernard

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 09:26:36 -0700
From: Erik Nystrom <enystrom@innovusmm.com>
Subject:  US Discovery Tail Lamps '95 vs '96

I own a '95 Discovery and love it!
My wife and I first saw a Discovery while vacationing in Europe two
years earlier. We were so taken by the looks of the vehicle that we
took many pictures of hoping to see one in the US and finally buy
one. In November of '94 we bought ours and have taken it on many off
road adventures, several on the 4wd only trails of Canyon Lands
National Park here in Utah.
I have looked at a 96 Discovery and have noticed that it has an amber
turn indicator section in the rear tail lamp as did the Discos we saw
in Europe. Our 95 doesn't. We want those tail lamps on our '95!
Does anyone know the cost of the rear tail lamps with the amber turn
indicator? When I asked our local dealer, they said that they don't
have a '96 parts list or prices as yet.
Thanks!
Erik
enystrom@innovusmm.com
Utah USA
95 Discovery v8i

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From: jpappa01@interserv.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 08:55:56 PST
Subject: Re: D110 4-SALE

4 SALE:

1993 NAS D110. #006/500. This was the first NAS D110 released for public sale. 
It has 15,000 miles. Has been stored over a year on blocks(!). Immaculate. 
Full waterproofs. Rear bed liner. Bonnet mounted spare conversion by Rovers 
North. 47,000 Firm. Never off-roaded. I know the owner and history of this 
vehicle. It has been over-maintained and detailed every time it has been in 
for service! A sick truck! Like its owner! He just bought land to build a 
house on and is raising cash. Already has a D90 Hardtop and other series 
landys. He asked me to help him sell his vehicle as he said he does not have 
time to deal with the phone calls!

This 110 *IS NOT* being sold through the dealership. Serious inquiries can 
contact me at jpappa01@intserv.com or leave a message at 617-545-4743 and I'll 
return call. This is the nicest 110 I've seen (next to mine). Please to not 
clutter up this forum with flames about the price. D110s are going anywhere 
from 39900 to 48000 depending upon cosmetics and mileage. This one is 
outstanding on both accounts. The last D110 that Metro West sold was about 6 
weeks ago. It had 21000 miles on the clock and was sold in two days for 46000. 
So the one I see posted in New Jersey doesn't look like such a bad deal - when 
placed in context! Supply and demand is the only refutable law of economics 
that I know of... 

Jim
`67 2A 88 5.0L hybrid
`67 2A 109 5.0L hybrid
`68 2B 110 F/C diesel
`70 P6B 3500S
`90 Range Rover County
`93 D110 (#457/500)
`95 D90 #1958

Just received humongous ARB bumper and Warn winch combo for my D90. Plan to 
install w/110 coils in front and OME shocks all around. Will report to digest 
on outcome.

Stupid new movie promo showing monster truck crushing a Series Landy. Totally 
outrageous!

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:14:50 -0500
From: Tim McDaniel <mcdaniel@adra.com>
Subject: Tire information and other stuff

        On the subject of tire sizes/information, I believe that for 
        metric sizes (235 85 R 16), the first number is interpreted as
        the tire's width at it's widest measurement.  This is not always
        equal to the tread width.  The actual tread width will be 
        determined by the tire design and manufacturer.  For stiffer sidewalls
        the number will be closer to the tread width than for soft sidewalls.
        The second number is the aspect ratio that uses the tire height
        and the above width.  

        There are at least a couple of tire size calculators on the 
        Web.  You might want to check out the following:

                http://www.di.com/Talon/Fun/TireSize.html
                http://www.powerdog.com/tiresize.cgi

        Also, my recently acquired, unnamed Series III is not yet running.
        Turns great, but doesn't fire.  Alan Richer is coming over on 
        Saturday to give me a hand and help do a complete evaluation.
        Hopefully it'll be going (running anyway) by that night.

        Lastly, I sent off a FAX to Merseyside in Liverpool requesting
        a catalog/catalogue.  Much to my surprise I received it within
        the week.  It looks like it is called the Land Rover Supermarket
        now so I must have had out of date information...If anyone from the
        U.S. or Canada has had any recent experience in ordering from these 
        folks, would you let me know how it went and what is involved in 
        ordering from them and bringing parts over.  I would be really        
        interested in seeing a specific order that shows costs, plus
        the duty that had to be payed, and the shipping costs.  A lot of 
        the catalog prices are very good, but I don't know how to guage
        the final costs to the U.S.

                        Thanks,
     

                                Tim

    +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
    | Tim McDaniel                               (508) 937-3700 ext. 725   |
    | Adra Systems, Inc.                         (508) 453-2462 (FAX)      |
    | 2 Executive Drive                                                    |
    | Chelmsford, MA  01824                      mcdaniel@adra.com         |
    | USA                                                                  |
    +----------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 95 12:14:26 EST
From: "Bobeck, David R." <dbobeck@ushmm.org>
Subject: iNSPECTION

          Hooray!
           The Green Car finally passed inspection, and is
          now legal for a whole year. I'm so excited, I
          can't wait to take her apart again!
          Off my Rocker,
          Dave Bobeck
          72 Ser III SWB- Green Car
          dbobeck@ushmm.org
          ps- the winch is coming along ok, thanks for
          everybody's help/advice.

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  1 Nov 95 12:40:02 EST
Subject: Re: Shipping and handling costs:

Whenever I've dealt with an offshore entity (as in the order for my 
carburettor), I have always gotten a quote from them including the cost of 
shipping and duty.

My carb (again as an example)

Weber carb: 50 pounds
3 brake hoses: 9 pounds
Shipping & duty:25 pounds

Showed up on my doorstep in 6 days air mail. Sea mail would've been cheaper, 
but I didn't want to wait.

Re: as-yet-unnamed S.III:

You must be desperate - you're letting me at it! <grin>

    aj"Pass the hammer"r

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Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 12:58:53 -0500
From: Sanjay Prasad <Prasad@ba-iplaw.com>
Subject:  '95 Camel Trophy Video

Hi,
    I am relatively new to this mailing list and saw the messages regarding
the '95 Camel Trophy video.  If anyone can get a copy of their video
easily made I would be interested in getting a copy.  Of course I'll pay for
the tape, shipping, handling, etc.

Sanjay Prasad
prasad@ba-iplaw.com
Boston, Massachusetts
90 Range Rover

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Date: 01 Nov 95 13:53:13 EST
From: "John P. Casteel" <70472.557@compuserve.com>
Subject: Old Man EMU springs

From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:24:44 -0500
Subject: Old Man EMU springs

On 31 Oct, 1995 John Cassidyiv writes...

Just received my set of Old Man EMU springs from Rover's North ...  These,
along with the polyurethane bushings, and the new shocks,
should ...^T

Plese keep us informed on the benefits of and the troubles during this install.
I, for one, have considered each and every part (except I^Rve looked at OEM
shocks) mentioned to make my 90 RR track in a straight line.  What are Old Man
EMU springs (besides the obvious!)?  What is their story?  I^Rve seen them
mentioned many times but I^Rm only now trying to learn about them.

BTW,  I still need to write a story about my experiences changing the Auto
Tranny Filter on  the RR.  Fun, Fun, Fun.

John Casteel   - Atlanta GA
90 RR    still unnamed

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 11:11:03 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: D110 4-SALE

In message <199511011701.MAA16386@butler.uk.stratus.com>  writes:

> 4 SALE:
; 
> 1993 NAS D110. #006/500. This was the first NAS D110 released for public 
; sale. 
> It has 15,000 miles. Has been stored over a year on blocks(!). 
: Never off-roaded.
;
A  6 year old Land Rover that has not been off road and has spent a year of its 
existance sitting on blocks?
;
In my book that qualifies as a crime against land Roverdom
;
I'm VERY sorry to read about about a Land Rover so badly mistreated!  I would 
have rather read about the expiditions it has been on, of panels scrapped 
getting badly needed supplies into a remote village, of the car working on a 
farm ANYTHING other than a Land Rover being treated like a bearer bond.  Just 
another part of a person's investment portfolio!

Discusting treatment of a Land Rover!

TeriAnn

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 12:08:46 -0800
From: russ burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: D110 4-SALE

Yea, I was kind of wondering who would be dumb enough to a rover on blocks,
instead
of putting the blocks inside, or driving over the blocks. (i like playing
with blocks)
Maybe we should start a NON-profit organization to buy up non-abused rovers
and start abusing them like they  deserve........
Russ

At 11:11 AM 11/1/95 -0800, you wrote:
>To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
>In message <199511011701.MAA16386@butler.uk.stratus.com>  writes:
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 16 lines)]
>;
>A  6 year old Land Rover that has not been off road and has spent a year of
its 
>existance sitting on blocks?
>;
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 17 lines)]
>another part of a person's investment portfolio!
>Discusting treatment of a Land Rover!
>TeriAnn

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From: Alan Richer/CAM/Lotus <Alan_Richer/CAM/Lotus.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com>
Date:  1 Nov 95 15:40:52 EST
Subject: Re: D110 4-SALE

> ...006/500 NAS 110...

Sounds like one of my wife's limited-edition collector's dolls. 

What good is a Rover that you can't play with?

I'll take my 109, thanks - plenty of dents and repairs and a story in every one.

   aj"Just say no tabula rasa Rovers..."r

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From: "Tim Chapman" <CHAPMAN@mail.navmat.navy.gov.au>
Date:          Thu, 2 Nov 1995 08:11:47 +1000
Subject:       HAYNES Manuals

Does any one know if Haynes have released a manual for the '94 3.9l 
Discovery?

Regards,

TC

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From: "Jim Carius" <carius@gene.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:41:50 -0800
Subject: Defender 90 Prices

After lusting for a Land Rover for 20 years, I'm almost ready to take the
plunge. I'll probably end up looking for a decent older truck, but....

The Defender 90 looks pretty nice.

Of course, there is one small problem ... they're one of the current
'trendy' cars here in Northern California, and the prices seem to be a
little out of hand. I'm gonna try and see what I can do, but if anyone
knows the approx. dealer cost for one of these beauties it'd sure
help...

Thanks!

Jim Carius, LR Owner-to-be

carius@gene.com

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Date: 01 Nov 95 16:29:23 EST
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Old Man Emu Springs

I have a 1990 RR that had developed the "Land Rover Lean" and so as soon as I
saw that RN was selling the Emu springs, I decided to order a set.

 The installation is fairly straight forward. I did have a good bit of trouble
with rusted fasteners. I ended up breaking a front shock trying to remove the
lower nut (Not a big deal since I was replacing it anyway). The biggest
problem by far though was the plate that holds the bottom of the rear springs
to the axles. There are two bolts on each side that go into a nut plate welded
to the axle. I used copious amounts of liquid wrench, along with a propane
touch in order to remove them, and still ended up breaking two and having to
drill them out. If it wasn't for these rear bolts, I could have easily done
this is 3-4 hours, if not less, but it took two days instead. (I recently
helped someone but the springs on a D90 and the design was changed so that
there is no longer a nut plate, but I don't know when the design was changed).
I also used a spring compressor, but if I had had an assistant I think I might
have been able to do with out it. I also had a good bit of difficulty with the
cotter pin on the upper rear shock mounts, they too had become fused to the
mount due to rust.

 I have really been impressed with the ride that the new springs/shocks have
given me. It is a good bit firmer than with the stock suspension, yet without
becoming too harsh. (Of course anything is better compared to driving a series
vehicle<g>). These springs seem to be much more progressive than the stock
springs also it has noticibly decreased my body roll. (I don't have sway bars)

 I would recommend to anyone installing these, that some sort of penetrant be
applied to all the fasteners for a few days prior to installation especially
on the older vehicles or those that have been in the salt belt.

 Rob

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    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|
   |     |   ###   |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |     | ####### |     |      1990 RangeRover
   |_____|_#######_|_____|
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Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 01-Nov-1995

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 17:26:54 EST
From: jib@big.att.com (Jan Ben)
Subject: Solexes on v8 SUCK!!!

Dear List:

I Spent some time yesterday changing oils on Juan.  The guys who
sold it to me supposedly did a complete service on it before delivery.
Well, the diffs produced grey watery foamy stuff, sludge came out of
hub housings, distributor points were shot, and the cap/rotor/wires
were of original vintage.  Vel, are you listening?
Anywho,  the good news is that I like the Lucas distributor.  It has
that great movable plate that lets you adjust dwell angle externally while
running.  Good idea. I forgive them the F16 landing gear snafu.

OTOH, the dual Solexes on the v8 are awful! I get better milage out of
my 5.0 Bronco, and lots more torque. For C. sake, I had to choke the thingies
to rev over 3,000 under load.  My land speed record stands at 70 MPH.
I KNOW the fireball can do better than that!

Zo,  any spare SU's out there?
Any (1st hand only, svp) experience with the Offy or Edelbk and Holley?
Or Webers?
Dr. Hardcastle in his v8 book mentioned an Isky cam, that can be obtained
for measly $94 US.  Any before and after comments on that?

Patiently awaiting your replies,
Jan
jib@big.att.com

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:53:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Francis J. Twarog" <ftwarog@moose.uvm.edu>
Subject: Old news

This may be old news to some, but a while back I mentioned that Land 
Rover World published a blurb about airbags being fitted to UK Defender 
90s in 1997 (done to US spec.) and I went on to fantasize about those 
vehicles finding their way over here... well, a few sources have 
confirmed a strong rumor that the Defender 90 will return to the shores 
of North America in either 1997 or 1998.  So, if you miss out on the last 
'95s, wait a year!  
	To those who couldn't find the poster in Four Wheeler mag, it was 
found outside of the back cover wrapped in plastic along w/ the magazine 
itself.  Also, keep up with that publication, because they took delivery 
of (another) Def 90 two months ago and planned on doing some 
modifications/ long term tests/ off-road reports on the vehicle in the 
coming months.
	Lastly, I can't remember if I told folks on the digest about a 
friend of mine who painted his 90's fiberglass hardtop to match his car 
(green w/ a white roof panel).  I have to admit it did look superb!!  If 
the paint holds up 6 months from now, I'm sure I'll be doing the same to 
our blue one.

Frank Twarog
Burlington, VT

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 14:53:38 -0800
From: "TeriAnn Wakeman"  <twakeman@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Defender 90 Prices

In message <199511012142.QAA16660@butler.uk.stratus.com> "Jim Carius" writes: 
; 
; After lusting for a Land Rover for 20 years, I'm almost ready to take the
> plunge. I'll probably end up looking for a decent older truck, but....
; 
> The Defender 90 looks pretty nice.
; 
> Of course, there is one small problem ... they're one of the current
; 'trendy' cars here in Northern California, and the prices seem to be a
> little out of hand. I'm gonna try and see what I can do, but if anyone
; knows the approx. dealer cost for one of these beauties it'd sure
> help...

;
When they sell that last 500 of them out, you won't be able to purchase a new 
one period, so I wouldn't wait too long.  I suspect that knowing the end of US 
Defender availability is coming dealers may be a little less apt to discount the
cars.  If I didn't already have a 109 I would be driving around in a yellow D90 
with black steel wheels wondering how to mount that roof tent.
;
While many people seem to collect several members of a model I just can't seem 
to justify two cars with the same basic role to play in my life.  But I can 
justify a Land Rover and a TR3 because they are both very different cars best at
very different things.  I think I can justify a TR4 addition because with roll 
up windows, dual speed wipers & snugger fitting top it is a better bad weather 
car than the TR3.
;
have desire, will rationalize
;
TeriAnn

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:33:12 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Old Man Emu Springs

On 1 Nov 1995, Robert Dennis wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> I have a 1990 RR that had developed the "Land Rover Lean" and so as soon as I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> I have a 1990 RR that had developed the "Land Rover Lean" and so as soon as I
> saw that RN was selling the Emu springs, I decided to order a set.

Robert -- is the new ride height higher?

Cheers

John

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:37:18 -0800 (PST)
From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org>
Subject: Re: Old news

Sure hope the rumor about the D-90 returning in a year or so is true -- 
it's about the first GOOD rumor I've heard lately! The one about the 
Range Rover Classic being discontinued, which seems to be true according 
to LRO, depressed me a bit...

Cheers

John Brabyn
89 RR
 

------------------------------

From: ASFCO@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:39:08 -0500
Subject: Re-Galvanizing

anybody know of a quality source for having parts Re-Galvinized??? British
Northwest did some work     which was good,  but .....$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ get
the picture

                                                                        Steve
                                     72 Series lll  88

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:44:07 -0800
From: Doug.Forehand@Eng.Sun.COM (Douglas W. Forehand)
Subject: Re: Defender 90 Prices

> From LRO-Owner@uk.stratus.com  Wed Nov  1 14:19:06 1995
> Of course, there is one small problem ... they're one of the current
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> little out of hand. I'm gonna try and see what I can do, but if anyone
> knows the approx. dealer cost for one of these beauties it'd sure help...

>From Edmunds:

************************************************************
Make:    Land Rover
Model:   Defender 90
Year:    1995
Class:   Sport Utility
Drive    AWD
Built:   Solihull, England
Warranty: Basic - 3/42,000
          Drivetrain - 3/42,000
          Rust - 6/Unlimited
          Roadside Assistance - 3/42,000
Dealer Holdback: Unknown
************************************************************

DEFENDER 90   (1995)                       Dealer Invoice   MSRP
---------------                            --------------   ----

SLNZ        4WD 2-Dr (5-spd)                        25790  28650
Destination Charge:                                   625    625

Specifications: 1995 Land Rover Defender 90                
                 Length: 160.5         Engine, Liters:  3.9       
                  Width: 70.5            Displacement:  241       
                 Height: 80.2              Horsepower:  182       
              Wheelbase: 92.9                  Torque:  232       
            Curb Weight: 3560          Steering Ratio:  19.3      
      Min. Gross Weight: 6003          Turning Circle:            
      Max. Gross Weight: N/A                Fuel Tank:  15.6      
    Min. Cargo Capacity: N/A             Transmission:  5M        
    Max. Cargo Capacity: N/A               EPA Manual:  13/16     
              Cylinders: 8                   EPA Auto:  N/A       
  ----------------------------------------------------------------

Standard Equipment
DEFENDER  90: 3.9 liter V8 OHV engine, permanent four-wheel
drive,  two-speed  transfer  gearbox  with  manual  locking
center  differential,  5-speed manual  gearbox,  suspension
(four-wheel long-travel coil spring suspension at all  four
wheels,  live axles front and rear located by  radius  arms
and  trailing  links,  front and rear anti-sway  bars),  BF
Goodrich  all-terrain 265/75R16 all-season radial tires  on
styled  steel  wheels, front bucket seats  with  adjustable
recline and headrest, unique weather-resistant twill-effect
upholstery, full tonneau cover, front and rear rubber floor
mats,  fastback style covertible top with removable sliding
side-door  windows, audio (incls premium  high-power  AM/FM
stereo cassette, 4 weather-resistant speakers, mast-mounted
antenna  system, lockable radio security/weather protection
cover), 4-wheel power assisted disc brakes, integral  front
head restraints, "Safari" roll cage system, swing-away rear-
mounted   outside  spare  tire,  dual  adjustable  exterior
mirrors,  2-speed  front wipers with intermittent  feature,
quartz  halogen  headlamps, full instrumentation  including
tachometer, Class III trailer tow hitch receiver,  flexible
black wheel flares with integrated black bumpers.

Accessories
-           Air Conditioning                         1530   1800
-           California Emissions                      100    100
-           Beluga Black Paint                        250    300
-           Removable Hardtop                        1120   1400

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 16:28:59 -0800
From: "John Y. Liu" <johnliu@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Camel Trophy Video -- Copyright Issues

>If anyone out there is duping this tape, maybe they could survey this group
>for additional videos.  I'd be willing to buy one.
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)]
>duping service do it instead of copying it one tedious tape at a time.  I've
>seen prices in quantities down to $3 a copy.
Note the potential of copyright violations from copying and distributing a
tape of ESPN's broadcast, especially if the tapes are being "sold".  I'd
suggest interested people just try to watch and/or videotape ESPN's airings
of the Camel Trophy themselves.  If tapes are to be duplicated, I suggest it
be done by private e-mail, duplicates made singly rather than in bulk, no
money change hands, and -- most important -- that the list not be used
for/involved in the process.  Sorry to be a spoiler but the copyright laws
even apply to us LROs.

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: Rhino Calendar
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:32:37 -0800

The Rhino calendar was included with the Nov. issue of "Four Wheeler" in a 
plastic bag. If the magazine does not come in a plastic bag, then I'd bet 
someone already has the rhino on their wall.

    _____
   /___|_\___     Bob Watson <a-robw@microsoft.com>
  |   |   |  \                  6405 235th Place SW
  |---|___|___\____     Mountlake Terrace, WA 98043
  |  _|   |   | _  }\
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/

_/

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From: Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmth.demon.co.uk>
Subject: 12V sockets
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 23:42:26 GMT

James Mobley <70302.2516@compuserve.com> writes:

> When is someone going to come up with a 12 power connector that is 
> less clunkly than the lighter sockets?

I'm using RS Loudspeaker plugs (part# 171-102)

Moulded plastic, waterproof sockets when sealed into a panel, 4 x 20A
rated gold flashed contacts with a bayonet lock.  They're not the
strongest connectors I've ever seen, but they do have a high current
rating and are dirt cheap (2.50 or so each half).

(RS is a UK firm that dominates the professional electronics component
market. They also have a "hobbyist" mail order section called
Electromail)

------------------------------

From: "Robert Watson (CNA)" <a-robw@microsoft.com>
Subject: Tilt Tests
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:34:49 -0800

I was perusing the new Rover Web and reading about the New Range Rover when 
this caught my eye...

<begin excerpt about Range Rover testing>
Tilt Test

Both V8 engines and the BMW diesel engine have been subjected to Land
Rover's unique off-road tilt test.  No other manufacturer in the world
uses such an extreme test.

The objective of the test is to ensure that engines can operate in the
most extreme off-road conditions and that oil supply and pressure
operates correctly at extreme angles.

Engines are tested at varying angles of up to 45 degrees nose up and
nose down, with a tilt of up to 35 degrees either side.

The engines undergo tests for 25 hours at each of the four extremes at
maximum power and maximum torque.

<end excerpt from Range Rover testing>

Is this testing common to other LR's (e.g. D-90 & Disco)?

    _____
   /|__|_\___                            Bob Watson
  |   |   |  \                 a-robw@microsoft.com
  |---|___|___\____      Mountlake Terrace, WA, USA
  |  _|=  |=  |o_  }\
 [|_/_ \__|___|/_\_}|    '95 Beluga Black Discovery
    \_/        \_/                            N7UMU

        N7UMU

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 17:39:28 PST
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: 12V sockets

Does anyone know of an equivalent company over here in the US? One
of the biggest things I miss being exiled over here is having an 
RS catalogue on the shelf in the kitchen. It's easy to find most other
important things in life like LBCs, Land-Rovers, B.A. spanners (sic), 
Sam Smith's, Twining's Earl Grey, Crumpets and Marmite :-)

Andrew Smith
Palo Alto CA USA
'60 Healey 3000 Mk.I
'96 Discovery

> (RS is a UK firm that dominates the professional electronics component
> market. They also have a "hobbyist" mail order section called
> Electromail)

------------------------------

From: CALLanyVEG@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 20:44:40 -0500
Subject: RE: shirt  offa  my  back/abs brakes

just got my triathalon shirt from the ROAV.  Whatta beaut !
Thank's again.

Also, this is a general post,  I am a former '88 RR owner, who because of
numerous circumstances had to part with that beloved vehicle. 

I am now in the market for a '89 or newer model RR.  Clearly I intend to
upgrade to the 3.9 engine, however a well-respected mechanic has told me the
models with ABS have problems with this system.
   Anybody with an ABS-equiped RR have any experience (good or bad) with
their brakes, please do tell.

EVAN

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 17:57:34 PST
From: asmith@BayNetworks.COM (Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: Tilt Tests

Rob,

I think for the Discovery what they mean is: even if you roll it onto its
side or roof, the engine will *still* operate at full power and torque
and the wheels will still be rotating 25 hours later .... now that's
what I call solid British engineering practice :-)

Andrew Smith

> <begin excerpt about Range Rover testing>
> Tilt Test
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 19 lines)]
> <end excerpt from Range Rover testing>
> Is this testing common to other LR's (e.g. D-90 & Disco)?

------------------------------

Date: 01 Nov 95 21:10:19 EST
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Reply to: Re: Old Man Emu Springs

 >> Robert -- is the new ride height higher? <<

 Yes, I guess the change in height would be somewhat dependent on the shape of
your old springs, but I would say that it raised it just over an inch.

 If someone needs a more precise number, I guess I could take some
measurements off the vehicle so as to compare...Let me know

 Rob

     -------------------
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|
   |     |   ###   |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |     | ####### |     |      1990 RangeRover
   |_____|_#######_|_____|
  [_______________________]
     |\/|           |\/|

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 01-Nov-1995

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:32:39 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Re: 12V sockets

> > (RS is a UK firm that dominates the professional electronics component
> > market. They also have a "hobbyist" mail order section called
> > Electromail)

RS, what an unfortunate name. (At least here in Oz where RS means 
something entirely different).

I take it RS means RadioSpares?

Cheers.

==========================================================
                               @@@@@@@@@@@@  
Tony Yates                      @@@@@@@@@@ 
Bureau of Meteorology             @@@@@@@  
Port Hedland                         @@@@
Western Australia                     @@@@
                                       @@@
ph:  (091) 401 350                   @@@
fax: (091) 401 100                  @@@
                                   @@@
email: A.Yates@bom.gov.au            @@
                                      @
==========================================================

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From: SKOOKILL@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 21:41:25 -0500
Subject: LAND ROVERS

SIGN ME UP!!!!! I LOVE MINE!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 18:58:40 -0800 (PST)
From: "John C. White III" <jcwhite3@well.com>
Subject: Re: D110 4-SALE

Abuse them like they deserve?  I suddenly have visions of Land Rovers 
with those silly leather bra things some people put on Suzuki Samurais 
and other such.  Come see "Dominatrix Land Rover Vixens," a film by Russ 
Meyer appearing at a theatre near you.

Cheers!
John
'95 Discovery (Whip me!  Beat me!  Make me write bad checks!)

On Wed, 1 Nov 1995, russ burns wrote:

> To change subscription write to: Majordomo@Land-Rover.Team.Net
> Yea, I was kind of wondering who would be dumb enough to a rover on blocks,
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 30 lines)]
> >another part of a person's investment portfolio!
> >Discusting treatment of a Land Rover!
> >TeriAnn

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 17:42:35 -0800
From: matts@cacilj.caciasl.com (Matt Snyder)
Subject: rhino calendar

At least for me, Four Wheeler was in an plastic sleeve that contained both 
the magazine and the calendar.  The sleeve was not sealed, so if you got the 
sleeve but not the calendar it's possible it just fell out.

-Matt

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:31:44 +0800 (WST)
From: TONY YATES  <tonyy@waalpha.wa.BoM.GOV.AU>
Subject: Yet another movie sighting.

The movie Sarafina has the bad guys, ie SA police, screaming around at 
high speed (yes it is possible, perhaps they were modified :-) ) in white 
109 SIIs.

Cheers.  Tony.

------------------------------

From: JCassidyiv@aol.com
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 23:01:12 -0500
Subject: Old Man EMU Springs

Just got my '87 RR back from my mechanic today, after he fitted the OME
springs I mentioned in the earlier post.  Distance between front axle housing
and bump stop increased from 2.25 inches to 3.75 inches on both sides.
 Distance in the rear increased from 3 inches to 4.25 inches on the right and
from 3.75 inches to 5 inches on the left.  The vehicle rides somewhat
stiffer, but is not rough.  The height increase is noticeable when entering
and exiting the vehicle, though.
         There was a good article on fitting these springs in the June 1995
issue of Four Wheeler magazine.  They claim it to be a 4-5 hour process.  My
mechanic completed it in a very full afternoon.  He said the front springs
were more difficult to change.  I'm not sure of the spring rates of these
sets, but I'm sure that Laney at Rover's North would be happy to let you
know.  I fitted these springs with the standard Bilstein shock set-Laney
seemed to think that their length would be sufficient.  I'll let you
know-after my nect off-road stint ;-).  The next thing will be larger tires!
Regards!  John Cassidy...Bangor, Maine

------------------------------

Date: 01 Nov 95 23:09:45 EST
From: Robert Dennis <73363.427@compuserve.com>
Subject: Delayed Sighting

I can't believe I was the only one who saw this commercial but I haven't
noticed any other posts regarding it.

 I caught the tail end of a commercial during the world series, which I
believe was for Bud Lite, but it starred a SerIIa 109? (I just got a quick
glimpse) and a bunch of monkeys stealing beer out of a cooler on the roof
rack. I was hoping that it would be replayed, but I haven't seen it again, so
maybe someone else can provide more details.

 Great clip though

 Rob

     -------------------
    |         |         |
    | _ _ ____|____ _ _ |       Rob Dennis
  O |[___|>>>>>>>>>|___]| O     73363.427@Compuserve.com
   \____===_=====_===____/      Atlanta, GA USA
   |oo   |(_)###(_)|   oo|
   |     |   ###   |     |      1972 SerIII 88
   |     | ####### |     |      1990 RangeRover
   |_____|_#######_|_____|
  [_______________________]
     |\/|           |\/|

Send By: Rob Dennis 73363.427@Compuserve.com
 On 01-Nov-1995

------------------------------

From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: RS
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:44:00 +1030 (CST)

> RS, what an unfortunate name. (At least here in Oz where RS means 
> something entirely different).

I take it you have had vehicles fail NT (OZ) rego (mot) inspections too.   In
the early 70's if the car failed you got a big red "RS" stamped on the form.
I believe it stood for Re-Submit.   It was changed mid or late '70's to a
simple "fail".  

cheers  

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: Re: Solexes on v8 SUCK
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:41:31 +1030 (CST)

Jan Writes: 
> OTOH, the dual Solexes on the v8 are awful!
> I get better milage out of my 5.0 Bronco, and lots more torque.
> For C. sake, I had to choke the thingies to rev over 3,000 under load.

Sounds like they are grossly out of tune and or split diaphrams..  Before
shelling out for SU's why not just kit and adjust the CD175's.??  Local
wisdom here suggests kits every 2 years whether needed or not.

Lots of people talk about better economy with SU's, the only explaination
I've heard is that the diaphram slows cd response.  sounds iffy to me, anyone
able to confirm this or provide an alternat explaination? 

> Any (1st hand only, svp) experience with the Offy or Edelbk and Holley?

no 1st hand but lots of heresay.
350 holley on modified rover manifold- good torque, fuel consumption slightly
improved.  flood up off-road unless vent-whistles used and even then
sometimes.

Everyone seems to hate the cd175's, yet I've had no trouble with them, real
set and forget stuff, just check and adjust the balance occasionally and
thats about it.

cheers

-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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