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From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 08:34:10 +0000
Subject: Re: Mag/Club subscription prices

> 	Solihull Society (Colorado)		$16 for 6 issues (20 pp.)
> 	Rover Owners of Virginia 		$?? for 4 issues
> 	Bay State Rover Owners Assoc (Boston)	$?? for ? issues

Scottish Land Rover Owners Club : 10.00 (4 issues of Club Mag.)
Land Rover World : 	25.00 UK & BFPO; 
  (Inc. freebe book)	37.20 Overseas surface; 
				44.20 Europe & Eire (air)
				60.00 Overseas (air)

     ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer)        +44 31 650 6205
Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. 
WWW sites: Work -- <http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/>      
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Pessimists are often pleasently suprised by life, |Land Rover owners do
optimists find it full of disappointments.        |  it in the mud.

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From: Carl Byrne <SPECBB@CARDIFF.AC.UK>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:48:35 GMT
Subject: Gareth Seymour

Hi Gareth,
Repost your e-mail address - I couldn't get through to you last time 
(2 months ago)
Carl.Dr.Carl Byrne
University of Wales College of Cardiff,
Wales.
UK.

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From: harincar@internet.mdms.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:48:46 -0600
Subject: For Sale - 66 IIa 88

Greetings,

Due to parental pressures (my wife is pregnant with our first!), we have
come to the realization that we need something a bit more practical, and
to be honest, safer than the ol' IIa. I hope to rejoin the Rover Owner
ranks again in a couple years with a Defender.

Anyhow, here are the specs - contact me if you or anyone you know is
interested.

For Sale

1966 Land Rover Series IIa 88 Station Wagon

Lots of new parts in the last 2-3 years, including:

Brakes
Shocks
Tires
Exhaust (including manifold)
Carb (Zeneth)
Heater Core
Battery (New last fall)
Generator
Fuel pump (in-line filter added)
Lots & lots of little things (have full purchase records)

Frame is very sound. Body is in great shape. Runs excellent.
Interior needs minor work (some tears in original front seats); jump seats 
in great shape. 

Tropical roof; bonnet spare tire; original wheels; 88K miles; 
stored during winter.

Asking $5200

Contact:
Tim Harincar
(612) 822-9975(h)
(612) 661-1511(w)
harincar@internet.mdms.com

4045 Park Avenue South
Minneapolis, MN 55407

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 09:01:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: I'm mad as hell - the sequel

Go gettum Jim,
>To ABC and this dipshit I quote Khan; "With my last breath, I spit at thee!"
>regards
none
Jim

Thank God we don't *have* to sit and look at ABC, but it is a shame that
any irresponsable ass can get that kind of coverage.
Where I have a problem, is that people are stupid enough to believe him.
And this applies all the way to D.C. also.
Jon

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From: BwanaE@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:27:40 -0500
Subject: Re: San Francisco 4 X 4 trip

For: Michael Loiodice,

Never had the pleasure of serving with "The boys in blue", but I was in
service from '76 to '80 flying helicopters (UH-1Hs) for the Army....
initially at "mother rucker" (Ft. Rucker, Alabama) and later at Ft. Ord,
California. It could be that our paths crossed at one of the airbases down
south as we used to fly a lot of IFR cross-country trips to USAF facilities,
re-fuel, and fly home.

Ah, the military... fond memories... I still remember our unit's recruiting
slogan:

     " JOIN THE ARMY.
       TRAVEL TO EXOTIC, DISTANT LANDS...
       MEET EXCITING, UNUSUAL PEOPLE....
       AND KILL THEM. "

Eric.

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:41:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Suburbans

Russ reiterates;

>"So, do you drive this car in the winter??"  to which he replies
>"No, I've got a Range Rover for that" to which I reply "Oh, good
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>short wheel based model".
>He asks "Isn't that a Toyota?"

Well You're the one who has to hob-nob with these folks.
You should have come back with; "I understand that Range Rovers are
assembled in Mexico by Tequilla crazed Mariachi indians"
So what kind of used auto is he selling? A Yugo?
At least Brookeykins liked Nigel and probably had a vague idea where he
came from too.
Boy these last few weeks have been pretty rough on you haven't they.
Jon

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From: Fraser.Young@EEC-ISD.eecal.sprint.com
Date:  Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:29:00 -0500
Subject:  Introduction

Dear All,

I've just joined the Digest today so a quick note to introduce myself.

The name is Fraser Young and I live and work in Aberdeen, Scotland.
I presently have two Land Rovers, a 1973 Lightweight with V8/3 spd auto box and 
a 1991 Defender 90 Tdi SW.
The 90 is up for sale though, as I have new 110 on order.
Just for interest this is the second 110 to be ordered as the first one has just
been sent back to Land Rover due to the number of faults/omissions/leaks, and 
that's without leaving the dealer's yard!

Regards

Fraser Young

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 95 15:22:59 PST
From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot)
Subject: Re: Series III really taking shape.

All, 

What a great weekend, it was 63 in southern New Hampshire !! Great weather to 
work on the Rover. Last week the Rover was returned after being welded up. New 
chassis leg, crossmembers and footwells. It sat in the garage wednesday night 
looking pretty shameful, no wings, doors, in its patchwork of colour. 

However, after this great weekend I have managed to get it back to looking 
like a SIII. I have replaced all the front and rear window channels, what an 
easy job !!! Painted the repaired chassis sections, footwells, put the wings 
back on and refitted the bonnet and bumper. I even managed to connect all the 
copper brake pipes up and bleed the brakes, hey pressure on the pedal, there 
is a first. 

Just for kicks I put the radiator panel back so I could see the completed 
(MESS) Rover, UGH. Its a mixture of red, blue and green parts from the various 
Rovers I have bought and parted out. 

All thats left is to put the new clutch back on the engine and install that, 
put gearbox back in and start the process of hooking everything up again. I 
had origianally planed on taking this easy and getting the Rover running by 
the end of May and ready for the downeast rally at the start of July, If the 
weather stays holds up it should be ready for inspection in March, ready for 
MUD SEASON !!  

Now wheres my wiring diagram......  

Mark

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 95 15:23:06 PST
From: mtalbot@InterServ.Com (Mark Talbot)
Subject: Re: Bleeding SIII brakes 

All, 

I read a few days ago that someone had tried the "One mand brake bleeding 
kit", I tried such a kit and found that it really did'nt work that well. I 
found that after bleeding the brakes once, the pedal was still going to the 
floor. Before anyone shouts foul, I have just replaced master, wheel 
cylinders, and have all new copper pipes, unions in nice and snug, and new 
shoes all round. 

After bleeding again, I still found air in the system. I resulted in doing it 
the old fashioned manual way, which eliminated all the remaining air. 

I now have a strong pedal, with very limited travel.

Mark

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:09:10 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Daily Digest

LROA has window stickers and key fobs... From the AW:

"LROA WINDOW STICKERS / The sticker is black on clear (frosted) self adhesive 
and measures 4.25" x 5.5".  It is printed in revers so that you can put it on 
the inside ofyour window and it will 'read' from the outside.  Please send a 
check for $1.50 to:  /  LROA / PO Box 1144 / Paradise, CA 95967"

"LROA KEY FOBS / we still have LROA key fobs.  David Ducat of CT is handling 
them forus.  They are made of pewter with the front of a Land Rover series 
IIA on one side and the back on the other side:  /  The price is $4.00.   
That includes shipping.  Send a $4.00 check (made out to LROA) to:  / David 
Ducat  /  1006 Goshen Hill Rd.  /  Lebanon, CT  06249"

I have some of the fobs, and they're quite nice.  

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:08:56 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: plunged vs rolled

>> the remains of a Range Rover that was totally flattened and destroyed in
>> plunged 20 meters deep into a ravine and landed on its roof, killing its
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
>something to be something like 30m/s downward (63mph) when it hit bottom.
>That is a tremendous amount of force.

One of the things I remember from my college physics is that at City College, 
gravity has a force of exactly 9.8meters per second per second (9.8m/s/s).  
That is, for each second in free fall, you end up going 9.8m/s faster.  After 
1 second of free fall you're traveling 9.8m/s; after 2 seconds, you're going 
19.6m/s, etc.  To fall 20 meters would take probably about 2.5 seconds.  Even 
at a final velocity of 19.6m/s, that's over 70kilometres per hour.  I'm not 
sure how that works out the MPH, but 63MPh sounds right.  

In any case, landing at 63mph on the roof will ruin anybody's day, not to 
mention the rest of their life.  Think about how most vehicles would look 
after a 60+mph run-in with a wall.  And they're designed to handle that sort 
of thing.  Landing on the roof, I'm surprised there was anything left to 
identify them.  (It sounds like they didn't have a roll-cage, even, and I 
still don't think that would help.)

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:09:02 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Range Rover Safety etc

T'other night, Rachel and I were on our way somewhere in her little Mazda 
323, in the left lane of Ocean Avenue (a fairly major thoroughfare).  Coming 
the other way, a nitwit in the righthand lane decides to make a left turn.  
He turns into the left lane to make his illegal left turn right in front of 
another nitwit who was going way too fast.  So nitwit B, instead of stopping, 
pulls into the left lane going the other way -- the lane I'm in, headed right 
for him.  Luckily, I was able to react in time and missed him and the car on 
*my* right by about a centimeter on each side.  

I (normally unflappable) was actually quite shaken by this and the visions of 
how I would look had I not missed him.  I told Rachel I really wished we were 
in one of my Rovers just then. 

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 18:09:06 -0800
From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com>
Subject: Discos cost too much?

Friday, I thought I had pretty much talked one of the women I work with into 
getting a Disco.  Today (Monday), she came in after visiting a dealer quite 
upset.  It seems that she was expecting a cost of around $30K (US) and the 
dealer quoted her $36K+, not including things like floor mats, the bar things 
on the roof (the ones that look like std equip), etc.  

Does this sound right?  She wants one complete with bull bars, and the works 
(though more for looks than for off-highway use) -- how much will she have to 
pay?  

The dealer was also very snobby, and said there was no negotiation on the 
price.  I can understand the latter (what with the waiting period and all), 
but not the former.  This was at British Motor Car (BMC) on Van Ness in San 
Francisco.  Can anyone recommend a better dealer in the bay area?  I told her 
to call Cole European in Walnut Creek, but I don't know anything about them 
either.

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Uncle Roger                         "There is pleasure pure in being mad
sinasohn@crl.com                                that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California                               

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From: EvanD103@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 21:55:25 -0500
Subject: Re: The Land Rover Owner Dail...

I spent an unpleasant three hours this evening removing the steering relay
from my '73 Series III's chassis.  It took much brute force and ignorance and
resulted in the distruction of the 3/4 in. drive socket I had purchased to
fit the engine front crank pulley.  I had to put something between the bottom
of the relay and my hammer.  Dispite that the relay doesn't look well after
all the hammering.  There must be a better way.  If there is let me know, and
I'll apply it to the reassembly stage of my frame off restoration.  In any
event the chassis is now truly stripped and ready to be sandblasted.  Fun,
fun, fun.     Erik van Dyck, Stone Mountain,  Georgia

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Date: 16 Jan 95 22:05:48 EST
From: "WILLIAM  L. LEACOCK" <75473.3572@compuserve.com>
Subject: Steering  Play

The play in the steering of ser 1 to 3 landies is from one or more of four
principal sources :-

 the steering box, early vehicles have a brass steering nut which wears and then
exhibits backlash, the later ser 1's were then fitted with  a recirculating ball
system, which if kept well lubricated has a long life, the backlash can be
adjusted to reduce it by scewing in the thrust pad at the sid eof the box,it is
well worth testing the play through the wholemovement of the box, generally they
wear most around the centre position so it is possible to adjust the play in the
middle and for it to be tight at the ends.

 Trackrod ends are a major source of play in the system, some types have a
grease nipple to enable the lubrication of the joint, these are the best, the
others are claimed to be greased for life, thay are , but life is generally
short. There ae many inferior quality parts on the market, this is one area
where i would not use anything other than Genuine parts. 
  
 The front steering idler is a much neglected part of the steering system.
Lubrication is very important but the design and the lubrication method is poor
so that lubrication is often neglected.  it is very difficult to tell when the
oil level is correct, a little and often is the solution.
 lack of lubrication of the steering idler can cause problems in one of  two
ways, first in increasing the steering effort and second in reducing it. The
idler shaft is located by two phenolic  ( plastic ) bearing bushes which are
tapered, the  tapered pieces are forced apart by a strong spring, the wedge
effect locating the shaft. Lack of lubrication causes  the bearings to sieze up
and thus location of the shaft can be lost, resulting in excessive free play.
remedy is to strip out the bearings and shaft and clean it all up. Caution refer
to the manual because the spring is very strong and dismantling can be dangerous
to the unprepared.  Moral, keep it lubricated.

 Swivel joints, two basic types are used, the  both types have a taper roller
bearing at the  bottom, the early type has a tapered brass bearing, again spring
loaded to keep the location. the springs often break, reducing the location
effect. The later type have a Rialkobush, these are much better nd can be fitted
in place of the old type.  A major problem in this area is lubrication, or more
precisely lack of lubrication, either by leakage from the swivel housing seal or
the fitting of free wheel hubs. the top bearing relies upon the rotation of the
half shaft to fling oil to  kep it lubricated. the fitting of free wheel hubs
stops this, hence the oft ignored advice to engage the hubs weekly to oil the
bearings.

 Steering problems can also result from the failure to maintain the wheel
bearings adjustment which can result in the wheel being able to follow its own
course
 Hope I have 'nt gone on too long and you find some clues to assist in the
improvement of your steering.

  regards   Bill Leacock.      Limey in exile.

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From: dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au (Daryl Webb)
Subject: 4x4x4 wheel drifting!
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 15:15:41 +1030 (CST)

A few days back Mike R mentioned 4 wheel drifting...  When the 3.5 110 first
hit OZ one of the local 4x4 mags (Overlander ??) did a major trip as a "test
drive" (may even have been pre release)  One of the comments re handling was
how nicely the vehicle could be controlled in 4 wheel drifts on outback dirt
roads.  They also had a "perentje" 110 6x6 which apparently pushed the front
in the same corners and had a few "excursions" on the trip.  I may have the
article in a box somewhere, should go look.... 

My stage one is much easier less inclined to slide than the old IIa but when
it does go it is invariably all 4 wheels.  On a smooth loose surface it is
very controllable, though still Scary if un-planned.  I'd hate to try it on a
really rough road though.

Re Rangie safety.  Didnt the Rangie win an international safety award when it
was first released, just edging out a Merc sedan ????

cheers
-- 

  Daryl Webb   (dwebb@waite.adelaide.edu.au)

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