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1 | "Stefan R. Jacob" [10004 | 47 | Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused |
2 | "Russell G. Dushin" [dus | 25 | Re: Flashing Rover Things |
3 | Tom Luteran [toml@hpwadc | 181 | Rover/HP diagnostics system.. |
4 | Mike Fredette [mfredett@ | 34 | [not specified] |
5 | Dave [Dave@scooby.demon. | 19 | LRovers in Canada? |
6 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 21 | Re: Speaking of layshafts, etc. |
7 | DEBROWN@SRP.GOV | 42 | GOT MY '94 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY!!! |
8 | maloney@wings.attmail.co | 15 | Netters Going to VA Rally? |
9 | "thomas r. coron" [tcoro | 19 | Re: Speaking of Scotty's, etc. |
10 | Mr Ian Stuart [IAN@lab0. | 22 | Re: Rover/HP diagnostics system.. |
11 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 24 | Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused |
12 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 9 | Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused |
13 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 19 | Re: Source for Discovery service manuals? |
14 | John Brabyn [brabyn@skiv | 20 | Re: Universal joints |
15 | brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo | 12 | Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused |
16 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 29 | Re: Speaking of Scotty's, etc. |
17 | David John Place [umplac | 14 | Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused |
18 | Harry Greenspun [hgreens | 31 | First Oil Change on New Disco |
19 | John Hong/C/HQ/3Com [Joh | 11 | Thanks posting about the Bay State Rally! |
20 | growl@Eng.Sun.COM (Willi | 22 | Re: First Oil Change on New Disco |
21 | rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca | 22 | [not specified] |
22 | Roger Sinasohn [sinasohn | 33 | Re: 4-cylinder cookery |
Date: 06 Oct 94 09:31:44 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused David John Place is right in pointing out > ... don't under any circumstances touch the gas pedal Apparently on 'cold start boot' the EFi computer enters a fairly simple trial-and-error loop, the likes of Procedure ColdStart while not (ignition) do begin waitfor(6 x starter_revolutions); if (motor_running) then ignition :=true else inc(fuel_air_ratio); end; End; It seems the program does no timeout-checking and, at this point, doesn't evaluate air flow or trottle opening, but assumes these to be fixed (default) parameters. Now if you begin pumping the gas pedal you're changing external parameters the program isn't aware of, it misses the crucial 'firing point' where the fuel-air chemical is right, and enters into an endless-loop, injecting fuel, and more fuel, and yet more fuel, until the cylinders are drowned... Another thing, I recall reading somewhere in the V8 workshop manual that the computer will perform erroneously if effective voltage drops below a certain level (I think it was 5 volts?) for any length of time. Now if you take a very cold battery, further drained by turning over a cold sticky engine (I assume you would be wise enough to disengage the clutch when cranking over at low temps??) then there might come a point where the computer looses its transient memory due to low voltage. Apparently the computer doesn't have a built-in backup battery either. BTW, I've heard of freaks doing 'chip tuning' to efi systems. They pull out the original ROMS, transfer the program to EPROMS, debug and improve the software, and stick the reprogrammed EPROMS back in place of the old chips. Does anyone have more information on this? Stefan <100043.2400@CompuServe.com> LROC of Hessen ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com> Subject: Re: Flashing Rover Things Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 10:11:50 EDT > Steven asks: > Would any of you be (or know) an owner of an early U.S. Disco? By early, I [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)] > you Series II owners can get a chuckle at my expense (i.e. humorous replies > encouraged). Bill replies: > When I purchased my IIA, my parking lights wouldn't flash. I changed some > bulbs and they still wouldn't flash. I fixed the ground wiring and now if I [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > I thought the tailgate latches might not have held I would have taken off in a > flash. :-) Nigel's left parking light flashes. Bang hard on the wing and it's on for good (it does turn off when you shut down the lights). Perhaps he's just a little ahead of his time. rd/nigel ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Tom Luteran <toml@hpwadck.wal.hp.com> Subject: Rover/HP diagnostics system.. Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 10:22:58 EDT Thought you all might be interested in this piece which appeared in HP's Measure company magazine. Enjoy! Tom -- (This is not to be reproduced without permission from the author, Tom Ulrich, Tom_Ulrich@hp6600.desk.hp.com) ....................................................................... Making History OXFORD, England -- If history is written by its survivors, the men and women of Rover Group have a compelling story to tell. Ninety years in the making, Rover evolved from a nineteenth century West Midlands bicycle manufacturer to a worldwide supplier of twenty-first century automobiles and trucks. Provincial from the start, Rover adapted to the global marketplace through partnerships with British Leyland (1968), British Aero- space (1988), Honda (1990) and BMW. Driven to compete internationally, Rover recast much of its product line before BMW purchased the lone British automaker in 1994. Since 1990, Rover Group introduced series 200 and 400 coupes, redesigned series 600 and 800 sedans, launched Land Rover Discovery and rolled the first MG RV8 off an Oxford production line. Rover emerged from an age of uncertainty in top form. Last September, Rover introduced yet another subcompact. It has four wheels and a power supply, but does not look or feel any- thing like an MG. Its grey sheet-metal chassis contains a 486 microprocessor, a custom instrument board, a LAN card, a CD-ROM reader and a 120 MB hard disk drive. This rugged analytical computer connects to a DeskJet printer and supports a flat-panel display. TestBook, a new generation of precision instrument, grew out of a partnership between Rover Group and the Integrated Systems Division of HP. "We were looking for a company that had both computer and test and measurement expertise," says Project Director David Lawrance Hallgarth. "We were looking for a tool," he adds, "that combined diagnostic capabilities with vehicle information to assist a technician making a repair." "Rover did not want an off-the-shelf solution," explains John Morris, ISD's project manager. "So we worked with them closely to deliver a product that met their specific needs." Rover and ISD engineers equipped TestBook with a vehicle communication interface, digital instruments, expansion slots, battery pack and a touch screen display. Before this electronic toolbox arrived at Rover dealerships across the globe, service technicians struggled to maintain all the computer technology that design engineers placed in late-model automobiles and trucks. Diagnosing hard-to-find electrical faults, such as a flawed headlamp assembly or an intermittant sensor, are among the greatest challenges facing service departments in the 1990s. Industrywide, they account for 20 percent of a dealership's repair log and are the major reason for repeat repairs. "Traditionally, a technician diagnoses electrical faults by swapping parts," David Lawrance Hallgarth explains. TestBook combines computer-driven service tools and diagnostic strategies with on-line service information to guide a technician to the source of a problem and suggest a repair. It contains a digital voltmeter (volts), ohmmeter (ohms) and ammeter (amps) for evaluating an individual component or a complete electrical system. These on-line tools find answers to complex electrical problems that technicians with hand-held tools often miss. With touch screen technology and a direct link to the engine-control computer, technicians use TestBook to identify and repair faults that appear in the base engine and electrical systems such as anti-lock brakes, gear box, lamps and power windows. If the headlamp circuit fails, the technician need not spend two or three hours pulling connectors apart, swapping parts and perhaps, creating new problems. He can follow the prompts given by TestBook, perform the necessary tests with its electronic tools and fix the problem; tasks that should take him about ten minutes to complete. TestBook tracks the fault to a single wire or connector and specifies the procedure for making the repair. The technician can review the latest service information, product manuals and technical data using a CD-ROM based, technical information system. Once a technician completes the repair, TestBook prompts him for the cause of the failure. TestBook records this information and transmits it back to the factory so that Rover engineers can design even more reliable automobiles and trucks. For elusive problems that occur on the road, a technician uses a customer flight recorder (CFR) that he plugs into the vehicle's data-communication link and sends home with the customer. When trouble occurs, the driver presses the button and the flight recorder gathers diagnostic information. After the recorder captures the data three times, the customer returns to the dealership where the technician uploads the information to TestBook and completes the diagnosis. TestBook reduces the time it takes a technician to find an electrical or engine management fault by an average of 20 percent and helps him to diagnose the problem correctly the first time. "Dealers are surprised by the usefulness of TestBook," says David Lawrance Hallgarth. To outfit a workshop with all the equipment required to service and main- tain a modern automobile, dealers must purchase an engine analyzer, smoke meter, gas analyzer, diesel tester, suspension tester and wheel alignment rack. "Every time a dealer buys a new piece of diagnostic equipment, he buys a personal computer," says Brian Cade, principal engineer for TestBook. "From now on, a dealer needs to buy one PC -- TestBook." TestBook executes all functions for engine analyzers sold by Bear, Crypton and Sun. This electronic toolbox, with its guided diagnostics an on-line service information, will replace the meters and the gauges found in a dealership workshop by the middle of the decade. "There are as many people involved in the development of TestBook as the development of the new MG," says Paul Chappelle, product manager for the diagnostic computer. TestBook required five develop- ment teams within Rover and six within ISD. Together, HP and Rover assigned the project 75 engineers. "HP Support for TestBook has been phenomenal," says Andy Griffiths, Technical Support Manager for Land Rover. "The partnership between Rover and HP works well." "This alliance changed the way we do business," says Bill Russell, Computer System Operation Manager for HP Europe. "We no longer limit our success to short-term gain. Bringing TestBook to market demanded that we develop a strategic application with the customer following the production schedule of the cars and trucks it is designed to serve." Six years in the making, TestBook grew Rover Group from a (pound) 1 million to a (pound) 50 million account. It is part 1 of Rover Group's long-term strategy for combining service, sales and parts information across a company-wide data highway. "Rover's commitment to TestBook is bigger than a model release," admits Andy Ridyard, diagnostic engineer at Land Rover. "For a model release: you launch and in a few years time, it will go." "TestBook is like the Range Rover without end." (Tom Ulrich writes for HP's Integrated Systems Division in Sunnyvale, California. He wrote Another Roadside Attraction, an essay about Biosphere 2, for the January-February 1994 issue of Measure.) -- +----------------------------------------------------+ | Thomas Luteran | INTERNET address: | | Hewlett-Packard Company | toml@wal.hp.com | | Medical Products Group | HP TELNET: 1-659-4770 | | 3000 Minuteman Road | VOICE: (508) 659-4770 | | Andover, MA 01810 | FAX: (508) 686-1258 | +----------------------------------------------------+ + Opinions presented above are my own & not necessarily those of my employer + ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Rover V8s: EPROMS Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 07:44:43 -0700 From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com> Stephan asks, BTW, I've heard of freaks doing 'chip tuning' to efi systems. They pull out the original ROMS, transfer the program to EPROMS, debug and improve the software, and stick the reprogrammed EPROMS back in place of the old chips. Does anyone have more information on this? none Well I don't know that you would call us freaks, just everyday ordinary folk out for MORE POWER! The EPROM replacement business is very large here in the US, where we Americans have a seemingly insatiable thirst for more horsepower. I tried one of these little babies on my 93 BMW 325is, made by DINAN Engineering. It claimed an boost of 18 percent in the horsepower deparment, going from 189 to 223, and it raised my mileage from 22.5 to 26. The chip cost almost $600 US, and if you have an automatic, I didn't, you had to buy two chips, one for the engine, and the second for the trans. There are lots of ads in the US magazines offering chip upgrades for various makes and models. The only one I've seen for our Solihull pride and joys is made by an outfit called ROVERCRAFT. They advertise in LRO as a chip upgrade sold in combination with an exhaust refit to boost horsepower to 190 on the 3.9L V8. Not very impressive considering it started at 182. That in combination with the cost of L458.25 makes a little discouraging. Of couse you CAN spend more to get more. L783.34 get you a new camshaft and associated bits to give you 225 BHP. And if you're really an enthusiast ( OK, a FREAK), L1774.45 nets you another 10 HP to 235 BHP buy adding a "complete performance" exhaust system to the above mods. I'm not one to scoff, but L1000 seems a bit steep for an exhaust system. Rgds Mike Fredette 94 DEFENDER 90 Portland, Oregon ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 11:03:15 -0400 From: Dave <Dave@scooby.demon.co.uk> Subject: LRovers in Canada? Dear all, There is a possibility that I may be moving from the UK to Canada (Toronto), which means I will have to sell my 1980 Series III SWB. Does anyone know if LRovers are available in Canada? I suppose ideally I'd like to get hold of a second hand 90 Turbo Diesel (Yup, I wanna move up in the world!) So if anyone has any info on availability, pricing etc, I'd be really greatful! Cheers for now, Dave ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 08:05:45 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of layshafts, etc. >In message <199410041629.MAA08508@transfer.stratus.com> "thomas r. coron" > >Hope you get it fixed OK. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 35 lines)] >408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, > MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 If you're coming out this way, you should stop by Scotty's anyhoo. Mine will probably be there (at least one of them), and who knows how many others. Plus, Scotty's a great guy. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 94 08:07:13 MST From: DEBROWN@SRP.GOV Subject: GOT MY '94 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY!!! FROM: David Brown Internet: debrown@srp.gov Computer Graphics Specialist * Mapping Services & Engr Graphics PAB204 (602)236-3544 - Pager:6486 External (602)275-2508 #6486 SUBJECT: GOT MY '94 LAND ROVER DISCOVERY!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!! Ahem... um... "Oh, by the way... I received my new Land Rover Discovery last night." Absolutely incredible vehicle!!! I had it in the dirt within 2 hours of picking it up, I... well... I "HAD" to try it out! ;) Sigh... how on earth am I EVER going to get any work done today??? Well, there's always Tomorrow. ;) Administrators: Please update my Bio: Vehicle: '94 Land Rover - Discovery Automatic Leather seats Dual Air conditioning Dual sun roofs Jump seats (seats 7) Rino bars Rear lens guards Tinted windows Pin stripes (This should last long!!! ...RIGHT!!!) Black Wish list: Winch Off road lights Expedition rack Rear door latter (for rack) Skid plates (Anyone know any sources?) Nerf bars CD stacker Deep water snorkle air intake (Anyone know any sources?) #=====# Never doubt that a small group of individuals |___|__\___ can change the world... indeed, it's the only | | | | thing that ever has. ""O""""""O"" -Margret Mead ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 10:39:07 -0400 From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Subject: Netters Going to VA Rally? Are any other netters going to the Virginia Rally? So far, I know besides myself, Sandy Grice (of course), Russell Burns, Mike Lodice, and Ben Smith will be there. It would be nice to be able to connect the faces/Rovers to the names. See ya there! Bill maloney@wings.attmail.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: "thomas r. coron" <tcoron@s850.mwc.edu> Subject: Re: Speaking of Scotty's, etc. Date: Thu, 06 Oct 1994 12:58:40 EDT > >Nothing new to report. I haven't talked to Scotty for about a week and a > > half. [ truncated by lro-digester (was 33 lines)] > Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates > San Francisco, California I might just do that - I'm going to be busy - daughter getting married, etc. - but may be able to sneak away for awhile. I'm going to be in the Campbell and Santa Cruz areas the week starting Oct. 14th. Where exactly is Scotty? Tom Coron tcoron@s850.mwc.edu King George, Va. '66' IIA 88 RHD ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Mr Ian Stuart <IAN@lab0.vet.edinburgh.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:49:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Rover/HP diagnostics system.. > Last September, Rover introduced yet another subcompact. It has > four wheels and a power supply, but does not look or feel any- [ truncated by lro-digester (was 7 lines)] > computer connects to a DeskJet printer and supports a flat-panel > display. Ah, but what's the badge on the front? (If it's Land Rover, can I get one for my my PC? :} ----** Ian Stuart (Computing Officer) +44 31 650 6205 Royal (Dick) School of Veterinary Studies, Edinburgh University. WWW sites: Work -- http://www.vet.ed.ac.uk/ Play -- http://tardis.ed.ac.uk/~ian/ #======================================================================# I'm not a computing nerd, I'm a computing geek. |Land Rover owners do Geeks are much higher up the evolutionary chain. | it in the mud. ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:12:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused I have only had experience in 0-30 F so not extreme cold -- so far havent had any problem (knock on wood). However I seem to remember being mailed a service notice a year or so ago from LRNA via the dealer, about starting in high altitude / cold weather. I am afraid I might not have kept it, but it indicated that they acknowledged the problem existed. I think their proffered fix was just not giving it throttle or something like that. Anyway harrassment of LRNA might get a response?? I have found in very cold weather a couple of other annoying things like one of my door latches getting very stiff. You would think RRs etc would be specifically immunized from these conditions! The trouble is when it's that cold outside you can't even investigate the problem or you freeze to death. Let us know what you find out John Brabyn 89RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:18:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused Yes if you could send all of us the ROM info it would be greatly loved. John Brabyn 89RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: Source for Discovery service manuals? On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, David John Place wrote: > Try CARTECH at 1-800=551-4754. They might just have what you want. I > know they have the other Land Rover Books. Dave VE4PN. PS I am hoping to > have their catalogue in a few days. > Let us know if they have RR manuals as well. I have the factory manual, none which is pretty good, but I always find the more manuals the better! Thanks John Brabyn 89RR > Try CARTECH at 1-800=551-4754. They might just have what you want. I ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Brabyn <brabyn@skivs.ski.org> Subject: Re: Universal joints On Wed, 5 Oct 1994, Benjamin Allan Smith wrote: > While I was getting ready to go to the Bay State Rover Club > Rally, I discovered that one of the universals on my front [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > identical spider for the universal. The part was made by Spicer > and the part number is 5-153X. The cost was about $10. As a matter of interest, I foun=d out that u-joints for RRs are also available from the usual US foreign poarts suppliers for about $20. I don't know who they are made by though. John Brabyn 89RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 10:42:06 PDT From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused On the general subject of EFI etc, does anyone know whether a diagnostic instrument is available to plug in to the connector used by the dealers to diagnose problems? There is a manual diagnostic procedure described in the manual, which I have used, but it takes a long time using a multimeter. John Brabyn 89RR ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 94 12:08:27 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Re: Speaking of Scotty's, etc. In message <199410061700.NAA05995@transfer.stratus.com> "thomas r. coron" writes: > I might just do that - I'm going to be busy - daughter getting married, > etc. - but may be able to sneak away for awhile. I'm going to be in the [ truncated by lro-digester (was 9 lines)] > King George, Va. > '66' IIA 88 RHD Jim "Sotty" Hawet, lives at the end of a dirt road in Concord CA. It is a little East of Oakland and a 3 to 4 hour drive from where you will be staying. He is a very interesting person to talk to and has a lot of Land ROver knowledge. When he had his old British car shop, he was a dealer authorized warenty repair shop for Land Rovers. Generally Sundays are the worst day to visit. You can reach his answering machine at 510-686-2255. If he is in the shop and near the phone he might pick it up, but most of the time you will get the recorder. copy in:Show ClipboardHide ClipboardUndo <<<>>>Redo <<<>>>(Unable to display contents at the moment^OUntitled-<<<>>>^Gclosing^Hquitting CanUt Undo^Dsave^F revert JN^ _\ONP ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 16:57:36 -0500 (CDT) From: David John Place <umplace@cc.UManitoba.CA> Subject: Re: Rover V8s: cold and confused I think you could overcome the memory lapse from a cold vehicle, and I intend to try it up here in Manitoba, but using the solar panel you plug into the lighter socket. This will "trickle charge" the battery keeping it warm, and it will keep the battery up to you won't loose the memory. I realize that most of the cold times are at night, but in Manitoba, we often leave the vehicles outside during the day when we are working, and since we are up in areas where there is no power, I think this will be a good trick. I have seen this unit on sale lately for as little as $39.00. Most marine dealers have them if you have problems getting one. Dave VE4PN ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:44:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Harry Greenspun <hgreensp@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu> Subject: First Oil Change on New Disco First things first: I got the call Friday night. Two hours later I was in heaven. We had waited four months for a 5-speed. Although we thought we wanted the base model, the loaded one that came in was too nice to pass up. As it is, Beluga Black, 5-speed, leather, dual sunroofs, rear seats and A/C. Saturday morning, the salesman took me on their offroad course in a Defender to show me how to handle obstacles and work the transmission. It was incredible what that thing could conquer. I have always been a believer; now I am a witness. Okay, enough rejoicing. My question: Being the loving owner that I am, I intend to change the oil after the first 1000 miles (which will be momentarily). I have been persuaded by the rec.autos.tech crowd to go with synthetic. What's the best weight to use? The dealer suggested 10W40 or 15W40, but the only synthetic I can find is either 5W30, 10W30, or 15W50! The manual implies you can use most, provided the temperature doesn't hit the extremes ( I live in Maryland). Part II: The manual says to refill the oil before changing the filter to avoid draining the pump prime. The service guys advised me to just replace the plug prior to removing the filter. Make sense? No longer waiting, Harry ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: John Hong/C/HQ/3Com <John_Hong@3mail.3Com.COM> Date: 6 Oct 94 18:57:12 EDT Subject: Thanks posting about the Bay State Rally! I've just moved to California (Bay area) and I was not able to make the rally this year. :( Looking forward to meeting the CA rover folks! John Hong ------------------------------[ <- Message 20 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 19:16:10 +0800 From: growl@Eng.Sun.COM (William L. Grouell) Subject: Re: First Oil Change on New Disco > Part II: > The manual says to refill the oil before changing the filter to avoid [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)] > No longer waiting, > Harry I'd believe the manual on this one, the pump will stay full if the filter is still on. But, since you are changing TYPES of oil, you want to get out as much of the old oil as possible. For THIS first oil change. I would drain everything at once, then follow the manual on subsequent changes. The procedure in the manual minimises the time that the engine runs before the oil pressure comes up. Something I always do to to help this is to fill the new filter as full as possible with fresh oil before screwing it on. Hold the filter at about the angle that it mounts when you fill it so you won't have oil running down your arm when you screw it on. Regards, Bill G. ------------------------------[ <- Message 21 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: 90 hard top From: rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (Robin Craig) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 94 22:48:43 -0500 TerriAnn says to take off the roll bar from the NAS 90's and slap a regular hard top on. great idea, except that the NAS 90 has no bulkhead behind the seat and the roll bar is designed to be an integral part of the vechile. Great idea though TerriAnn, good lateral thinking. regards Robin -- Robin Craig, rc@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, | Ottawa Valley Land Rovers Nepean, Ontario, Canada | 1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean (OVLR's InterNet site) | Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4 ------------------------------[ <- Message 22 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 23:07:06 -0700 From: Roger Sinasohn <sinasohn@crl.com> Subject: Re: 4-cylinder cookery I went out to Scotty's last night, and did indeed try cooking brownies on the engine. (Sorry, TerriAnn, I'm not sure I can make it this weekend.) So, it took me about 50 minutes to get from my place in San Francisco to Scotty's in Concord. When I got to Scotty's, the Brownies were still fairly liquid. (Had it been a college dorm, spoons would have been whipped out before you could say "raw cookie dough".) The side closest to the engine seemed to be closest to being fully cooked. I think another 20-30 minutes would do the trick. (Getting stuck in traffic would just about do it, I think.) I used one of those disposable aluminium loaf pans you can buy at any grocery store. I paid $1.79 for 3 of them. I mixed up the batter, then poured it into the pan. The pan slid right in (with a little coercion) between the carburetor and the top of the engine on top of the exhaust manifold. It worked great, and would work for lasagna, spaghetti, just about anything. Or, get a non-disposable one, and wire it in, then just toss your ready-made burrito (wrapped in foil, of course) in to the pan and don't worry about it going anywhere. Sure makes me wish I drove more! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad sinasohn@crl.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California ------------------------------[ <- Message 23 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 941007 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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