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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 94 06:23:14 EDT
Subject: Names List Final

for the last time, the voting rules: Voting will start Mon, Sept 5 @ 6:30 am,
when I will post a final edition of the list, and will end Mon, Sept. 12 @
6:30 am, one week from the posting of the final list. I will post final
results no later than Wed, Sept. 14
e-mail me at   spenny@aol.com     put BALLOT in the Subject header

Here is the list of names as of 2:00 am EST 9/3/94
PLEASE NOTE: that the last option is no name for the club, just continuing to
use the internet mail address

1.)   Land Rover Owners Club
2.)   Rover nets
3.)   Low Rangers of the Information Superhighway
4.)   L.R.O.I Land-rovers on the internet (info hiway)
5.)   RoversNet
6.)   IL-RIC - International Land-Rover Internet Connection
7.)   ILRN - International Land-Rover Network
8.)   Rovers in the Ether
9.)   Roving through the Ether...
10.)   Land-Rovers, Internet & Beer, a virtual community.
11.)   low-box net surfers
12.)   Ledgendary Land Rovers International
13.)   Rover 4X4s of the electronic highway
14.)   Raving Rovers!
15.)   The Net Rovers
16.)   Rover Rangers of the Infobahn
17.)   LROC of the Internet
18.)   The Wired Rovers
19.)   Space Rovers
20.)   Cyberspace LAN'd-Rovers
21.)   LROC of the Internet
22.)   CyberLand Rovers
23 )   Land-rover Users Group    (LUG)
24 )   Land-Rover Owners Virtual Register (L-ROVR) 
25 )   Land-Rover Owners Virtual, Internet Group   (L-ROVING)
26 )   Syberspace Land Rover Owners Club
27 )   Society for Landies United Together {Maloney Baloney  ; )  }
28 )   LUGNUTs (Landrover Users Group Network UniTed) or 
29 )   SCREWs (Society of Cybernet Rover EnthusiastS)?
30 )   Car List Rejects
31 )   NO NAME - Keep LRO@Team.Net

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
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1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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From: "Russell G. Dushin" <dushinrg@pr.cyanamid.com>
Subject: Re: Weekend jaunt/clutch woes
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 9:00:02 EDT

snip-
>      The worst part of all of this, is that I drive home and all 
> was ok.  When I went out to use the Rover this morning, the 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 11 lines)]
> Benjamin Smith
> ranger@ugcs.caltech.edu

Gee, good thing I had plans this past weekend.....

I agree with Mike's rusted clutch diagnosis, but have managed to
free frozen clutches using a different technique that won't bash
away at the starter motor (nor the teeth on your flywheel).  What you
need first and foremost is a dirt road with "washboards" all over
it (I live on one so this part is easy for me).  Get yer rover started
(hopefully you can get it pointed downhill, use the starter and abuse
it only this once-and you might as well keep the clutch in while you
do cause it might just free up-and have it preferably in 2nd gear).
While driving in search of washboards pump da hell outa yer clutch
and vary your speed, accellerating as fast as you can with the clutch
in.  Any bumps or hills you can locate should help free it up.  Come
to think of it, you should probably be in 4WD while you do this, just
so's to minimize the chances of snapping a half axle.....and probably
low range at that.  Note that you *might* be able to shift gears
(but don't try 2WD to 4WDlow, or visa-versa) using your key switch to
drop the revs just enought to shift.

This method has successfully freed a frozen clutch on our farm rig after
sitting through many a cold winter season.  Good luck with it.

rd/nigel

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Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 09:38:49 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Ben & Bill's Excellent Adventure

This past Saturday Ben Smith and I decided to visit the site of the old Nazi 
Bund Camp in Pompton Lakes, NJ.  I had heard about it growing up but hadn't 
been able to pinpoint the location until just recently.  The camp was one of 
a number set up by the Germans sometime in the 30s as recuitment/ 
intelligence gathering/pre-invasion force locations.  They were rounded up in 
'38 or '39 from what I have been told.  I don't know what their fate was 
after that. 

After a short drive to the entrance to the area we pulled off the road next 
to a wide stream and engaged our hubs.  Second low and into the stream.  It 
was about 50 feet wide at that point and bumper deep - we were pushing nice 
bow waves.  A short rocky climb up the opposite bank and we were out.  We 
continued on to a clearing where a Jeep, a Land Cruiser, and several ATV's 
were parked.  All were drinking and having a good time but were friendly 
enough.  We looked up the main trail up the mountain.  Suddenly I was 
beginning to feel that this wasn't such a good idea after all.  It was really 
steep.  The fellow in the Land Cruiser suggested an easier path to the left. 
 Ben led the way without hesitation.  I followed and stopped at the base as 
Ben began the climb.  It had been over a year since I had heard another 2.25 
under load with transmission and diffs whirring away as Ben climbed the 
slope.  It sounded good.  He seemed to have a little difficulty at the crest 
but was soon over.  

I started up.  I was a bit apprehensive as this was the steepest terrain I 
had ever attempted.  All went smoothly until just before the crest, where the 
trail was very rocky and twisty.  I had my right foot firmly wedged against 
the transmission bulge in the firewall as I was bouncing like crazy, and I 
found it difficult to judge my path with the tire on the hood.  As I neared 
the top I saw a fairly sharp rock imbedded in the trail.  There was no way 
around it.  I was just about to reach the rock when I began to loose 
traction.  Ben was carefully spotting me and I followed his hand signs, but I 
was sure I was going to lose a tire to that rock.  Then suddenly the wheels 
caught, and I was up and over.  Wow, what a rush!  

We go out and surveyed the section then continued on up to the first cut off 
leading to the lower end of the Bund Camp.  We stopped and got a good look at 
the well and some of the remaining plumbing then heard continuous horn 
blowing coming down the mountain.  Some very drunken yahoos in a big Ford 
pickup along with 2 Land Cruisers and some more ATVs surrounded us.  I had a 
really bad feeling about this as they were very rowdy and profane except for 
the Land Cruiser driver.  But they turned out to be really friendly and just 
wanted to know more about our Rovers.  

After we talked for awhile, the most drunken yahoo (the one who had been 
blowing his horn the whole time he was in his vehicle) tried to goad Ben into 
making a run into a rather deep looking mud pit about 30 feet long.  But both 
Ben and I were too sensible to fall for it so I began to walk back to my 
Rover to try a different trail... SPLOOOOSHHH!  I turned around and where is 
Ben????  Going nowhere fast in the bottom of the mud pit.  I back up to his 
rear to pull him out with my handy dandy $10 ABP tow rope, and one, two three 
tries and BANG!!!  So much for that tow rope (I guess it must have been a 
non-genuine part).  And his Rover didn't budge an inch.  I was amazed that 
Ben's Rover was still running, as the exhaust was well under water producing 
that distinctive Camel Trophy burble.  Ben says his Rover is sinking as I get 
back in my Rover to try to pull him from the front.  I don't give his 
statement much thought.  Ben produces this big mother rope and proceeds to 
tie it to his Warn 8000 pound winch.  Hmmm... I could have sworn that winch 
was above the water just a few minutes ago?  Suddenly Ben's Rover dies.  We 
try WD-40 on the wires.  No good.  This is going to be more difficult than I 
thought.  We hook up the rope to my 88 and try a pull at about a 30 degree 
angle (no room to pull direct).  No good.  I pull around to the back again to 
try with the rope.  Once, twice, three times.  Ben gets out and begins to 
push and rock his Rover.  The loss of the 170 lb. or so plus Ben's pushing 
causes the Rover to begin to move.  One more try and it's out.  Ben wipes the 
water from the inside of his distributor cap and he's going again.  

We try several more trails, some impassable, attempting to steer clear of the 
other folks.  After another steep climb further up the mountain We begin to 
search for a path to an area with a sheer drop off to an adjacent quarry.  I 
am beginning to feel more confident at this point.  We park near where we 
think it is and walk.  The drop off is very near and quite spectacular.  
Several hundred feet straight down and a view clear to the Manhattan skyline, 
with the Empire State and Twin Towers clearly visible.  We take more photos 
and decide to head back, saving the rest of the mountain for another day.  

On the way down, Ben toots his horn as he enters an adjacent trail then backs 
up quickly to avoid the now extremely drunken yahoo in the Ford Pickup 
barrelling up the mountain.  We let them pass and Ben starts down first.  He 
takes the path with the sharp rock that we came up.  I've read how much axle 
articulation the coil sprung Rovers have, but I was amazed to see the 
tremendous amount of flexing the drivetrain of Ben's 88 demonstrated on the 
way down.  It was clear the going down was far more difficult than going up 
and Ben waved me off to another trail to the left.  First low, foot off the 
brakes.  Woa! these rocks were a little too big to just idle over and I had 
to stab the brakes to keep the momentum down.  It turned out to be the better 
choice as I reached the bottom well ahead of Ben.  His section was really 
difficult, but he navigated it with no breaks or dings.  

We headed back through the woods to the stream and took turns crossing back 
and forth and shooting photos of each other pushing bow waves.  Great fun!  
Ben runs out of film so I head over to the far bank to shoot him coming back 
across and park out of the way.  I stand on the edge as he enters the stream 
pushing a nice bow wave, which grows larger in the viewfinder until it breaks 
over my sneakers.  I wonder when Ben will turn to make the well used crossing 
point then realize that he is continuing upstream!  BEN, NOOOOOOO!!!  

As Ben heads upstream to spawn I run back to my Rover to get ahead of him.  I 
find him a few feet from the seldom used exit point in the river stopped 
dead.  We try the WD-40 and wiping out the distributor again but the Rover 
won't turn over (and you can't hand crank it with the winch in place).  
Great, another dead pull.  So we try Ben's come along.  After pulling it a 
foot or so I just about collapse .  Geez, you have to be a weight lifter or 
something to use one of these things (I guess Camel Trophy will have to wait 
another year for me).  So finally Ben gives in and decide to use the his 
trusty winch.  He spools it out and hands me the hook.  I hook it to my 
towing pintle and hop in.  First gear, low, Ben in his Rover steering - he's 
moving... right into a tree!  I stop and back up.  We push his Rover back so 
that he can steer around a rather large branch that was about to take out his 
roof rack that was out of his field of vision.  Try again.  Success!  And the 
Rover is running, thanks to Ben's quick use of clutch and gear.  I have to 
admit that winch sure came in handy.  However, watching Ben spool the cable 
back using his fingers around the drum seemed like kind of a drag.  I'll bet 
that with a working controller that winch could be downright useful. 

It felt pretty good to have been able to tackle that route without breaking 
anything.  It was pretty serious in spots.  Now we unlocked the hubs and back 
into 2 wheel high.  On the way back I notice that the brakes work... 
ineffectively.  After a couple of stops they are back to normal but It was 
pretty unnerving the first time.  Ben reminds me when we stop at my place of 
the need to dry out your brakes after fording.  Next time I'll remember.  

After we got cleaned up and dried out we went out for burgers at this 100+ 
yr. old barn bar in Wycoff that is not allowed to advertise as they are in a 
residential area.  A great place and a great end to a great day.  One thing 
about bad lighting in bars or restaurants, not only does it make the homliest 
of the opposite sex look rather attractive, but when your clothes are 
splattered with mud it isn't quite so obvious.    

The one thing that Ben and I agreed that could have made it even a little bit 
better would have been if Russ could have made it with Nigel.  Unfortunately, 
Russ's wife works in Boston, Russ lives in NY state, and this happened to be 
a conjugal visit weekend for the Dushins in Boston.  Next time we'll get Russ 
to tell her he's got some communicable ailment and will be unable to perform 
his manly duties for a week or so.  Next time, Russ buddy. 

Bill 

maloney@wings.attmail.com 

Wayne, NJ USA 

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Subject: Re: The yellow knob 
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 94 08:34:33 -0500

Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com> writes:

> 	NADA stands for North American Dollar Area, and
> refers to a model of 109 that was imported to the US in I
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> is fortunate enough to own on of these rare birds among his  many
> 109's.

        The NADA as a specific model does refer to this 6 cylinder 109,
        but all of the North American Land Rovers were also NADA's.
        To someone like Merseyside in the UK, a NADA is a US/Canadian
        spec, left hand drive Land Rover, not necessarily with the
        6 cylinder engine.  There is some difference from a standard
        109 station wagon (bulkhead is slightly modified for the longer
        engine, brake shoes are wider (thus different drums & hubs),
        different rear axle, different engine.  That's about it)

        As per an example of a 6 cylinder NADA, besides Steve's I can think
        of four off-hand in the Ottawa area in OVLR.

> 	I have always done as you do when changing to 4WD, that is stop.
> But I don't think it's needed, although I would hesitate to do it at 50
> mph. I however, often changed out of 4 low to 2 high while moving as much 
> as 15-20 mph with no apparent damage or nasty grinding gear noises.

        Never tried at more than about 5 mph.  See it done up to about 15 mph,
        but 50 mph sounds like a recipe for disaster.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Subject: Disco roof racks
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 94 08:42:00 -0500

WILSONHB@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu writes:

> When Land Rover went to Central America, all the Discos had huge roof racks
> (does anyone know if these are the so-called "expedition racks"?) and some
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> ) might ask Land Rover.  I would also be interested in knowing where to get
> one, if you find out.

        Seen the Land Rover video of this (There is more mud at an OVLR
        Birthday Party than they show in that propoganda piece).  The
        replicas were made of fibreglass and were definately less than
        250 pounds apiece.  50 - 100 pounds most likely, tending towards
        the 50 estimate.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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Date: 06 Sep 94 11:35:49 EDT
From: "BENJAMIN G. NEWMAN" <71773.3457@compuserve.com>
Subject: LOCKED WHEELS

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Date: Tue, Sep 6, 1994, 9:56
Subject: Problem encountered at CompuServe/Internet mail gate

RE: Undeliverable Message

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Message number: 940906135401 71773.3457 FHM52-1
Sent at: 09:54 EDT 06-Sep-94
Subject:  LOCKED WHEELS

I need some advise.Having trouble locking my front wheels.I own a 1966-67 
109NADA wagon.Just recently I noticed I can lock or unlock the front right or 
left wheel but I can't lock or unlock both front wheels at once. What's the 
problem and how do I fix it? Is there any danger driving with one side locked 
and the other side unlocked out of 4wd?
Thanks for any help I get,
Benjamin G. Newman

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From: "John R. Benham" <BENHAM@WFOCLAN.USBM.GOV>
Date:          Tue, 6 Sep 1994 09:26:34 +1100
Subject:       All British Field Meet, Portland, Oregon

Dear LRO's

    Seven Rovers and their owners from the Eastern Washington area 
caravaned and attended the Portland ABFM held at the Portland 
International Raceway this year.  Total registration was @ 85 Land 
Rovers and 10 Range Rovers.  Several other late attendees and gate 
crashers brought the total to somewhere over @ 110 Rovers!
    The other displayed car owners stayed with friends or moteled it. 
The Rover people typically camped out near the raceway's pit area. 
Of course, there were numerous 88's and 109's, several new Defender 
90's and a couple of 110's, 3 Dormmobiles, a lightweight cab forward 
outfitted with floating side pontoons, around 3 or 4 Discoverys, 
several early Series I's, a fire engine/pumper conversion, a military 
lightweight, and 2 or 3 military 109's.
    It was a pleasure meeting other LRO Netters who brought their 
vehicles.  Names which come to mind include Mike Fredette (one of 
the organizers), TeriAnn Wakeman (w/her beautiful Peranese), Ben Hui, 
Walt Swain, Granville Pool, and Brad Krohn.  Granville handed out 
window/bumber stickers he designed having a Land Rover Information 
Highway logo on it.
    After judging, there was an off road course set up for the Rover 
owners.  I jumpped in the back of a topless 88 heading over to 
the course.  An elderly couple were also riding in the vehicle, so I 
assumed the drivers pace was going to be relaxed - WRONG, he raced 
over the course eating air half the time.  Today, my back still 
hurts from that run!
    It was also a real pleasure seeing the other fine automobiles 
(R/R, Bentleys, Lotus, Triumphs, MG's, Morris, Jaguar, Healy, 
Sunbeam, etc.).  I fell in love with and almost bought a 1979 MGB!
    It was a real pleasure attending this years Field Meet.  Thanks 
to Tony and Linda Starbird, Doug Shipman, and Mike Fredette who 
organized the Land and Range Rover section.

John R. Benham
Editor, `The Rover Runner'
Spokane, WA USA

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Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 11:33:11 -0500 (CDT)
From: Tim Harincar <soc1070@128.101.63.1>
Subject: Hello and some newbie questions

Greetings,

I have recently joined the ranks of Land Rover owners :-) with the purchase
of a '66 Series IIA 88, poppy red Station Wagon with a tropical roof.

I purchased the vehicle in NY state, and drove it back home to Minneapolis
last weekend (which was an adventure in itself).

Right now, there are three main problems that need to be addressed with the
truck before I can continue driving it, and a couple of minor things (but
arn't there always?).

First, The brake lights don't work. Running lights and signals work ok, so
some power is getting to the bulbs. Light bulbs and fuses are all ok.

Second (and may be related to above), it seems the generator is faulty. This
is curious since a new one was added last winter (I have the receipt). The 
new one is a Lucas, but I'm not sure which model or if its a rebuild or new.
It seems odd that the generator would fail after 7 months the same day a
shop was working on the electrical system (trying to fix the brake lights)
by pure chance. 

Thirdly, the Zenith carb is *way* out of adjustment. It is running very rich.
So rich, that it would tend to flood when warm and then kill, as in exiting
the freeway or such. I pulled the plugs and they were *black*, caked with 
carbon. I was looking into the carb when the engine was off, and I could 
still see gas dripping into the throat. Checking the Haynes manual, it would
appear that either the o-ring between the top and bottom of the body is shot
or misaligned, allowing gas to leak in from the float, or the float is set
wrong (or maybe both). Looks like I may have to open the carb...

Any tips, tricks, or suggestions on any of these problems would be great, as
well as any other good "new owner" info. I had done a bit of homework on
LRs (like pulling the LRO FAQ) before buying, so I have some understanding
of what I'm working with. (BTW, the FAQ was a big help - kudos to those who
put it together). 

Thanks for the help,

Tim Harincar

--
tim harincar
soc1070@vx.cis.umn.edu
or harincar@internet.mdms.com

--
tim harincar
soc1070@vx.cis.umn.edu
or harincar@internet.mdms.com

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 94 12:44:41 EDT
Subject: Cleaning Galvanized Trim

Can anyone recommend a good way to clean up my galvanized trim parts? Someone
recommended 5F5, used with a brass brush, has anyone tried this? 
If I paint with the galvanized paint (Birmabright?) will it chip and need to
be painted once a year? This is my main concern with painting.

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
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1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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Subject: Air-Camping (Gidion's)
From: ludovico.magnocavallo@galactica.it (Ludovico Magnocavallo)
Date: Tue,  6 Sep 94 19:08:00 +0100

William Grouell asked me to find a source for Air Camping spares.
The Air Camping manufacturer address has changed. I saw the new Air
Camping
premises two days ago, while I was going to a friend's wedding in the
countryside.
I'll go there this week and ask for parts/etc.
Sorry, William, but I've lost your e-mail address. Can you send me a
list
with your Air Camping model, and the parts you need?
Ludovico
            __________________________________

                   Ludovico Magnocavallo
            ludovico.magnocavallo@galactica.it
            __________________________________

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Date: 06 Sep 94 14:11:18 EDT
From: "R. Pierce Reid" <70004.4011@compuserve.com>
Subject: Idle Problems

Greetings all:

Well, just days before I was going to do my fall tune up, my '62 Series IIa
Military is having some nasty idling problems and, while I think I have the
problem figured out, I wanted to solicit feedback from all of you...

Here is the situation...

Friday night, the car ran perfectly... good power, smooth, quiet idle, etc.

Saturday morning, the idle was very rough, blew out a lot of black, black smoke
(no oil in the smoke, just jet black, sooty smoke.)  At higher speeds, the
engine was smooth and had great power.  It was just at idle that the problems
manifested themselves.  Moreover, the carb made a sucking sound that was like a
kid drinking the last of his milkshake through a straw.  Very distinct!

So, I started my fall tune-up early...

I replaced the fuel filter (it was rather cruddy) and, since the filter was full
of junk, I also pulled down the carb (Zenith built under contract by Solex) and
cleaned out the float and all the needle valves and the accelerator pump.  There
was a bit of junk in the carb, but not much.

I also cleaned the points and rotor, checked the contacts on each plug wire (and
cleaned them) and pulled the plugs and re-gapped them.  Plugs were spotless...
nice light brown color and not a speck of oil on them.

I also checked the vacuum advance and found a small split in the rubber fitting
that secures the vacuum line to the base of the carb.  I corrected this as well.

All that served to give me better power in the top end, but if anything the idle
has deteriorated further.  Tons and tons of black smoke.

As background... the car is running a brand new (out of military storage) engine
-- only 5000 miles on it.  I installed it last summer and it has run flawlessly
since.  The problem is definitely not with the block, etc... I believe it is
fuel or ignition related.

So, here are my theories on what is wrong:

1. A carb air leak that I have not found yet... I plan on running it tonite and
spraying outside with WD40 or similar to see if I can isolate the leak and
repair it (if there is one). (Rovers North backed me up on this one... it is
their theory on what is wrong)

2.  A bad coil.  I have heard similar things with bad Lucas coils... lousy idle,
tons of smoke but good top-end speed (above 1200 RPM, basically.)  I have a new
coil ordered and it is one of the few things I did not replace when I put the
new engine in.  I do not know its history or how old it is.  I tend to think it
is the coil, since the problem was sudden and not an incremental occurrence.

3.  Bad condenser/worn rotor/worn points/worn distributor cap (I don't think
this is likely... but it was on my fall tune-up list anyway.)

4.  That the mixture on the carb is messed up and is running way too rich (does
anyone have instructions for tuning a Zenith... my Manuals only cover the Solex
and I would really appreciate a rundown of the instructions for dialing in a
Zenith!)  That would explain the black smoke, anyway, though unless someone had
opened the hood and monkeyed with the carb, I don't see this happening all at
once..

5.  That it somehow slipped out of time (again, not likely, since the timing
chain, etc. was perfect when I put the new engine in, and if it was out of time,
it would not have been running well at speed.

Anyway, thanks in advance... next weekend is to be dedicated to getting the
"Sargent Major" ready for winter and for the Virginia Rally.  Any help would be
greatly appreciated.  

Cheers,

R. Pierce Reid
'62 IIa Military 88 (The Sargent Major)

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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:30:03 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: All-Brit Field Meet, Portland, OR

Just back from the All-British Field Meet in Portland, Oregon USA and WOW!  
I didn't know I could stand to have that much fun!  What a lot of wonderful 
people we (my son Bennett and I) met and what a lot of incredible 
Land-Rovers (and, yes, other cars, too) we saw.  Pleasure and information 
overload!  

Bennett (age 17goingon18) was a fence-sitter regarding Land-Rovers.  Thought 
they were neat and fun to drive but not sure that a seedy one like our camo 
'70 88 was cool enough to drive to high school.  No more!  He's a 
full-fledged convert and now dedicated LRO and aficionado.  Espcially after 
seeing Doug Shipman's tastefully and thoroughly battered 88, Bennett now 
really appreciates the beauty of bent (as I always have).  However, Bennett 
also now also has a painfully intense lust for a really gonzo Mini-Cooper.  
Oh, boy.

At the Saturday night barbeque, I got elected (I assume as penance for my 
having tow'd my Rover to the meet) to write a digest.  I will, but have to 
do a little catching up first.  And, really, I couldn't carry the Dormobile 
top and all the other swap-meet parts in the Land-Rover. 

Got to mention our trip back, though, before I get back to work.  We 
returned from Portland via I-5 south.  In Weed, CA, we stopped for petrol.  
While we were waiting in line for the pumps, in wheeled (sound of gasping 
and rubbing eyes) a Range Rover fully rigged for the outback!  It was white 
and equipped with a brush guard (bull bar) combined with heavy-duty winch 
bumper and winch.  It was capped by a hefty full-length-plus roof rack with 
a row of jerry can holders across the rear and (as I recall) a couple of 
custom metal storage boxes.  To get to the rack, there is a neat cast 
aluminum step recessed (yes, cut) into the left front quarter, just ahead of 
the driver's door.  Then there is an aluminum diamond-plate angle riveted to 
the top of the cowl panel so that one can step up onto the edge of the cowl 
and stand to reach the rack.

The owner was a handsome and striking fellow (Tupper Blake by name) with a 
voluminous white handlebar mustache and a charming smile.  I commented to 
him that he obviously uses his Range Rover as it was originally intended.  
He said yes, he is a wildlife photographer and uses it very much.  When he 
was to do a three-year project for the Smithsonian along the Mexican-U.S. 
border, he needed an expedition vehicle and working platform suitable for 
desert work.  He and his equally handsome (I didn't get to talk to her but 
assume also equally charming) wife wanted a real Land-Rover but felt they 
needed to start with something new. They were told that they could not bring 
such a Rover into the country and so had to settle for the available Range 
Rover.  

Mrs. Blake (who designs expedition equipment) designed a rack which would 
carry their gear and serve as a working platform.  They turned the plans and 
the vehicle over to a welder for a few days, with the additional 
instructions that they would need some sort of ladder or other way to get up 
to the rack.  Mr. Blake was impressed with the audacity of the welder for 
his cutting-a-brand- new-Range-Rover solution!  But, in fact, the Blakes are 
quite pleased with the result and Bennett and I thought it looked really great.

Mr. Blake said that if we wanted to see the results of their work, it would 
be published this fall in a book entitled "Two Eagles."  I, for one, will 
look forward to having a look at this work.

Nice way to cap off the week-end, huh?

Also saw a good-looking 2-door 109 on the highway. It was headed north, in 
perhaps Tehama or Colusa County or thereabouts.  Painted sort of an earth 
yellow, perhaps a little browner than Camel yellow.  Nice deserty look.  Had 
hard top with two fixed side windows on each side.  Driver (dark hair and 
mustache, I think) was certainly looking at us when I noticed him (almost 
too late) and passionately waved to him.  Not one I had seen before.

More later.

Granville
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool                     | 52 80" Series I (gutted, project)  ]
[ mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net          | 59(?) 88" hardtop (parts)          ]
[ 2601 Road I, #0 ("Road-I-Land")    | 61(?) 88" Ser IIa sta wag (project)]
[ Redwood Valley, CA 95470           | 70 88" Series IIa "station wagon"  ]
[ (707) 485-7220                     | 73 88" Series III hardtop          ]
[ Land-Rover's first because         | 74 88" Series III hardtop (project)]
[ Land-Rovers last!                  | (?yr) Ausin Champ 4x4 (project)    ]  
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: ccray@lulu.cc.missouri.edu
Subject: Military engines (was Idle Problems)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 13:36:57 -0500 (CDT)

R. Pierce Reid was bold enough to point out...
>As background... the car is running a brand new (out of military storage) engine
>-- only 5000 miles on it.  I installed it last summer and it has run flawlessly
>since. 
none

  got a location where more of these might be obtained?  and $$$?

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Ray Harder                 Columbia, Missouri   314-882-2000
 
         "...you are what you drive..."
 
- 61 SIIa 88 (LULU, aka Experimental)  - 66 SIIa 88 (rebuild project)
- 69 SIIa 88 (parts)                   - 87 RR      (wife's)
- 80 MGB                               - xx
---------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue,  6 Sep 1994 14:42:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon Humphrey <jh5r+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Hello and some newbie questions

Tim writes:

>Thirdly, the Zenith carb is *way* out of adjustment. It is running very rich.
>So rich, that it would tend to flood when warm and then kill, as in exiting
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
>or misaligned, allowing gas to leak in from the float, or the float is set
>wrong (or maybe both). Looks like I may have to open the carb...

Tim this is exactly what my Zenith did when I put it on. So much black
smoke, you would have thought it was a deisel. Anyway Icalled RN and got
the explination of how to cure a sick Zenith.
You have to take it off the car and separate the two halves and remove
the inner
extension. Then get a piece of plate glass and some sand paper or wet
dry emory paper and some light oil. Sand the gasket surfaces of the two
halves, using the glass as the flat surface, until they are perfectly
flush. It seems that the body of the carb warps slightly and causes the
o ring to not be able to seal properly. Thereby allowing gas from the
float bowl to be sucked around the o ring and into the throat. There are
two idle circuts to the carb, one in the upper-(no adjustment)--- and
the adjusting needle in the lower.
After you have gotten the halves to match perfectly, put it back
together and it should run like new. Be careful with the main gasket and
you should be able to reuse it. It only should take you a couple hours.
I did mine after work one evening.
I think I am going to get the rebuid kit and redo it later but it runs
so well  that I'll wait.
Hope this helps,
Jon

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Date: 06 Sep 94 14:51:06 EDT
From: "Stephen O'Hearn" <72700.3262@compuserve.com>
Subject: Brush Bars and Light Protectors

I have to own up to having these little affectations on my Defender
(yeah, I even have those side bars). I suppose I also have to admit
I had the dealer put them on. OK. Now I offer my defense...

The brush bar has proven quite useful on a previous 4WD preventing
headlight / turn lamp loss as well as grill and fender corner damage
from brush limbs which protrude into the trail and are unavoidable. It
also makes an excellent mounting location for lights and on the
Defender it protects the winch solenoid box. The Defender's brush bar
is not the best design since it wraps around the fender (I find this
to be a drawback as the corner bend is "open"). It does interfere with
access to the engine but only slightly and standing on a box makes
things easier with or without the bar.

The tail light protectors are potentially useful when backing up in
tight spots with thick brush again. This will have to be seen.

The side bars can provide protection to the rocker panel area but they
also can be easily bent up (I've already scuffed my left one on a rock
but only slightly, without it there would have been no contact). The
benefit on the Defender is that the side bar makes exiting easier as
it provides a step.

So, in summary, the brush bar is useful but a matter of taste, the
tail light protectors still have the jury out, and the side bars are,
well, holding their own but might eventually come off. At risk of
being stricken from this list <g> I will timidly submit that these
items can look cool.    Uh-oh, might I have gone too far?????

Treading Lightly...(even when I occaisionally break a small branch<g>)

Stephen O'Hearn
1994 Land Rover Defender 90 with scuffed left side bar

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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 12:18:23 -0700
From: mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net (Granville Pool)
Subject: Land-Rover watch defined

Friend and net-lurker Gerry Mugele (Systems Analyst, specializing in expert 
systems and neural networks, has a '72 SIII 88--v. nice one) asked about my 
trip to the Portland meet.  I told him about trading for genuine Land-Rover 
watch.  He replied:

        Land Rover watch?   What, it's made of riveted Birmbright with       
  galvanized trim, leaks oil, makes alot of noise, regularly breaks its      
     stem, and runs about 80% of the expected speed?

Thought you'd get a bang out of that.  

A pleasure too great to articuate, it was (and remains), to have met you and 
all the northwest folks and to see so many wonderful examples of Solihull's 
finest.

Granville
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[ Granville Pool                     | 52 80" Series I (gutted, project)  ]
[ mcdpw@pacific.pacific.net          | 59(?) 88" hardtop (parts)          ]
[ 2601 Road I, #0 ("Road-I-Land")    | 61(?) 88" Ser IIa sta wag (project)]
[ Redwood Valley, CA 95470           | 70 88" Series IIa "station wagon"  ]
[ (707) 485-7220                     | 73 88" Series III hardtop          ]
[ Land-Rover's first because         | 74 88" Series III hardtop (project)]
[ Land-Rovers last!                  | (?yr) Ausin Champ 4x4 (project)    ]  
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 14:47:58 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Capstan Winches

As Mr. Natural once said (any diehard R. Crumb fans out there?) "the right
tool for the right job"

I've been using an AeroWinch capstan for several years now...got it off a
vehicle from Afghanistan...it was probably made circa 1956.  I've pulled a
well and truly stuck Defender 90 last weekend, skidded a bunch of logs and
pulled several stumps.  The capstan is a *working* winch - it'll run all
day long and won't melt down the way an electric winch will.  You also
don't need twin batteries and a heavy duty alternator.  True, the capstan's
pulling power is limited to 3,500#, but with a snatch block you can double
that.  Plus, you have absolute instantaneous, in-out control.

I carry 200' of 9/16 Sampson "Sta-Set" dacron polyester halyard line (>3%
stretch) that has a breaking strength of over 9,000# and it really doest
take up much room if coiled on a spool.  (Trees always manage to grow 10'
past the end of the winch cable!)

Electric winches do have a place...like self-recovery when you drown out in
the middle of a stream like in "The Gods...", but for working, I'll take a
capstan.  Chef Harry Bligh of the OVLRC once parked a capstan-equipped
Rover near a fire and used it to turn a side of beef on a spit all day
long.  Try that with a Warn!  (And I've had this fantasy of making my own
rope tow for skiing!)

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 14:48:35 EDT
From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE)
Subject: Clutch woes

There are two ways to free up a sticking clutch.  Mine has stuck twice:
once when the engine was sitting for a prolonged period on my garage floor
with the clutch bolted on, and the other was just after having the flywheel
machined (the virginal steel is *very* suceptible to rust then).  It can
also happen after the Rover was "ridden hard and put away wet" (i.e., no
bell housing plug.)

Point it in a safe direction and start the Rover in gear, working the
clutch as you go.  Choose sucessively higher gears until the lurching
breaks it free...sounding for all the world like a snapping lay-shaft!  :-0
(This is what Charlie Haig at RN does.) Took me to third one time to break
it loose.

The other is to start your Rover in gear...chained to a tree!  The weak
link will part, and hopefully that is limited to the interface between
clutch and flywheel. (This came from Mike McCaig who has used it successfully.)

I bet you won't forget the wading plug again, Ben!

    *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----*
    |                                                      |
    |  Sandy Grice,  Rover Owners' Association of Virginia |
    |  E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com       FAX: 804-622-7056 |
    |  Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days)  804-423-4898 (Evenings) |
    |    1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA   |
    *------------------------------------------------------*

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From: Russell Burns <burns@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: Brush Bars and Light Protectors
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 12:30:38 PDT

Well, my brushbars have come in handy, First there was the ELK I goosed
going about 45 pulling a trailer. The ass of an elk looks pretty impressive
hanging over the hood ( bonnet) of a range rover. The only damage was a 
small dent in the hood where the brush bar hit.

Then there was the little mini van stopped in the middle of the icy
hiway. The brushbar did about $3000 worth of damage to the rear door on the
mini van, and only acuffed the rubber on the brushbar. note I installed
larger diameter bolts to keep the brushbar from hitting the hood.

The when the utility trailer came unhooked, and nailed the rear lens
protector. Broke the plastic spacers, but saved the lens, and the fender.

Then there is always the shopping cart at the super market. the brush
bar is great for pushing carts out of the way with no damage to
the truck.

Russ
I use my brush-bar.....

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:37:57 -0400
From: berg@acf2.NYU.EDU (Jeff Berg)
Subject: Finally got it!

Just a quick note to inform the list that I finally took delivery on my
1967 Series IIa 88.  Some of you will remember the restoration spec that I
posted, and my list of questions.  Thanks again to all who took the time to
share their knowledge and experience.  The project took longer than
anticipated, but Roverworks did a marvelous job.  The car looks and runs
great.

I spent Saturday installing the stereo system at the Roverworks shop. 
This, true to form, took longer than planned and it was dark before I
headed home.  At one point while cruising down the Taconic parkway (at a
stately 55 MPH) a vehicle which I took to be an Izuzu Trooper pulled up
next to me.  Unlike the previous hundred vehicles, which had blown right
past me, this one pulled along side and just cruised next to me for a
minute or so.  I didn't dare look over, as I was having a bit of difficulty
keeping the Rover on the road which was bumpy and narrow.  (New owner
jitters, and I'd hoped my first "distance" drive would be during daylight
hours.)

Finally, the vehicle pulled ahead and caught a glimpse of the skylights. 
It was a red Discovery checking me out.  I didn't dare flash my headlights
for fear of blinding him with my 100 watt halogen high-beams.

Later that evening, while cruising down the "main drag" in Rowayton, CT
(where I live) a guy yelled out "Do you want to sell that car?"   Of course
I deferred, but it made me feel pretty good.

No real adventures yet, but I'm loving it.  Can't wait to get free from
work so I can take a cruise!

Regards.

JAB
==                                                                 ==
 Jeffrey A. Berg              Interactive Telecommunications Program
 Technical Administrator                         New York University
                          berg@acf2.nyu.edu
                          =================
               My garden is full of papayas and mangos.
          My dance card is filled with merengues and tangos.
                       Taste for the good life.  
                      I can see it no other way.
                           --Jimmy Buffett, Lone Palm (live version)
==                                                                 ==

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Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 15:40:25 -0400
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney)
Subject: Tim & R. Pierce's Questions

Tim, 

Welcome to the fold! 

>> First, The brake lights don't work. Running lights and signals work ok, so 
some power is getting to the bulbs. Light bulbs and fuses are all ok. >> 

Back the Rover up to a wall or something so you can see the brake lights 
reflecting.  Adjust the brake light switch on the housing before the booster 
until the lights come on, then turn it the other way until it goes off.  Get 
in and apply the brakes a few times.  The lights should light without 
hesitation each time you step on the pedal.  If not, replace the switch with a 
GENUINE replacement.  I'm all for aftermarket parts but brake light switches 
are very fussy. 

>> Second (and may be related to above), it seems the generator is faulty. 
This is curious since a new one was added last winter (I have the receipt). 
The new one is a Lucas, but I'm not sure which model or if its a rebuild or 
new. It seems odd that the generator would fail after 7 months the same day a 
shop was working on the electrical system (trying to fix the brake lights) by 
pure chance. >> 

Sounds like they may have shorted out one of the brake light circuits.  
Careful patient tracing will find the fault.  Actually, you should do this 
before you tackle the above. 

The following applies for both of you:

R. Pierce & Tim,

Re: Idle problems -

What you describe could be caused by a warped carburetor housing (top half to 
bottom) or by a poor seal at the big O ring separating the venturi housing 
from the float chamber.   Order a genuine kit (the gasket on the ABP kit is 
too thin) and strip it down.  Flush all the passageways with carburetor spray 
cleaner, then put the top and bottom halves of the carb together and hold it 
up to a light.  Make a mental note of where the high spots are (where the 
light does not shine through) and carefully file them down.  Don't be in a 
hurry and you'll be able to get it fairly flat.  Be sure to flush away all the 
filings.  Reassemble being careful to set the float hight correctly and you 
should be set (the carb is very simple - just follow the manual and you'll be 
OK).  Replace the carb and turn the mixture screw out 1.5 turns from bottom.  
Start the engine and adjust the idle to keep it running.  Once it's hot turn 
the mixture screw in until it starts to die, then back it out until it smooths 
out.  Set your idle speed and you're done (you should set points and timing 
first).

Good Luck!

Bill

maloney@wings.attmail.com

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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 94 15:43:07 EDT
From: "The X Window System: A VMS for the 90s" <brandenberg@wrksys.enet.dec.com>
Subject: quick brake fluid question...

I picked up some Castrol GTLMA instead of the usual LMA brake fluid
this morning (only thing they had worth buying).  Counterbeing thought
it was fine for natural rubber seals but I thought I'd ask if anyone
has used it yet...

m

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From: /G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com
Date: 6 Sep 94 14:53:19 -0600
Subject: *****b l o w b y***** 

on my return trip from portland i noticed there was a lot of blowby coming from 
my oil filler cap? my landy is  a series 2a 88" and came with the crank case 
vents on the valve cover and ontop of the oil filler cap. my question is what is 
causing all this oil from coming up the filler tube and all over the bulkhead? i 
ve already done a commpression test and it showed 160 all the way across thus 
suggesting that the rings are o.k. and it isn't because there is pressure 
blowing past the rings down into the oil pan and pushing it up into the vent 
cap.  any help would be appreciated.

thx ben hui

------------------------------

Subject: PORTLAND ABFM
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 1994 13:08:11 -0700
From: Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com>

HI ALL

	Well the Labor Day weekend is over and another Field Meet
is history, but what history! As was mentioned, we had over 100
Land Rovers, quite a feat in itself. But the best part was being able
to meet several of you folks after so many chats back and forth.
John Benham was there with his contingent from Spokane, Terriann
Wakeman along with The Bear (possibly the coolest dog on the planet),
Granville Pool and his son, Vance with his Ser lll camoflaged to look
like a llA, and many others. It was the best meet on record! The jungle
course that Doug Shipman had set up was THE hit of the meet, both with
the LR folks and more importantly, the non Rover types. The Rassmussen
company provided a Defender 90, a black County LWB Range Rover, and Greg
Rassmussen's personal 110 Defender, and together they were giving rides
nonstop both days. The Jag folks were suitably impressed with the RR and
several were overheard talking about dumping their precious Jags and getting
a beat up 88 to get muddy in.
	The Swap Meet on Sunday was well attended, and I managed to sucker
Granville into trading a pair of back seats for my snazzy new Official Land
Rover watch and some cash. Hurray, now I can take more than one person in
the Defender! Just kidding about the sucker part there Granville, I really
do appreciate the deal. There were several Land Rovers for sale as well as
a few parts and goodies. Ben Freeman was there trying to clear out the last
of his stuff from his apartment move, and British Pacific made thier first
appearance. The owner/manager Lawrence was on hand selling books, magazines,
stickers etc just as fast as he could bag things and take peoples money. A
super nice guy and I'll definately be giving him a call for some parts. His
company is now the second authorized Land Rover genuine parts distributer
in North America. They stock the entire line and by the looks of thier 
catalog prices, cheaper than Rovers North in several places. 800 554 4133
toll free in the US.
	The banquet on Sat was great, except that the Jag yahoos took too
bloody long with thier awards, something they were specifically asked not
to do. As an example, they started a new class this year, number 17,(that's
right, they awarded 1st - 3rd in 16 other classes, took FOREVER) this class
is for Jaguars that have been modified so much that they no longer fall into
a regular class of Jaguar. If this were the case with Land Rovers, we'd all
be different classes as we've all modified ours to some extent. However,
we did had some great jokes at thier expense during the Land Rover
awards, courtesy of Doug Shipman.
	Again, I'd like to thank all those who made the long trek, I hope
you can do it aqain. We sure enjoyed having everyone here, and look forward 
next year. And once again, it was a real privilege to meet so many great
Land Rover people, many of whom we yak with every day from hundreds of miles
apart. And Terriann, looking at John Benhams canvas water bag, they're supposed 
leak dear. Although weep would be a bit more accurate. The water sure was nice
and cold though.
							Rgds
							Mike Fredette
							94 Defender 90
							61 Ser ll 109
							Portland, Oregon

------------------------------

From: Craig Murray <craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au>
Subject: Re: The yellow knob
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 94 12:21:57 EST

> Mike Fredette <mfredett@ichips.intel.com> writes:
> >     NADA stands for North American Dollar Area, and
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 43 lines)]
> FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
> Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
> (OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

Hi all,
        I'm still not recieving any mail from the list, but thanks to kind 
people, I have been sent the last few days mail!!!  Any how on with the thread!

With the yellow knob, it can be engaged at any speed, and with out the clutch,
just as long as the front axle is turnung at the same speed as the back, this
is so because it does not engage a gear, but simply engauges a dog clutch.
If you try to engage it with the front axle traveling at a slower speed than the
rear, ie. on a muddy road. when you hit the yellow know, you will hear a bang,
and if you're not lucky, the motor will stall, the loud bang will be from the
different speeds of the front and rear axle, the motor dieing will be from the
sudden increase in grip.

I hope that this will clear up some of the confusion!!

==============================================================================
Craig Murray                                            1955 Series 1 86"
LROC of Victoria Australia                              2.25 diesel (Soon!)
email: craigp@ocs.cpsg.com.au

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From: JFisk1120@aol.com
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 94 22:20:53 EDT
Subject: Movie Alert!

The other day someone mentioned another movie that had alot of Rovers in it.
 Does anyone remember what it was?

I'm still upset that Blockbuster does not carry "The Gods Must be Crazy"!!!
 Let me know if you see it coming on at anytime on cable.  I would appreciate
it.

Thanks,
Jan Fisk
Springfield, Missouri

'64 Land Rover IIA
'91 Range Rover County 

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From: llevitt@idcresearch.com
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 94 22:31:05 EST
Subject: crumple zones

Uh, perhaps I've been spending too much time in Volvos (boxy but 
safe) but the discussion of rover stoutness versus crumple zones 
has gotten me out of lurk mode.

Try this simple experiment at home. Tape a brick to your head and 
ram it into a wall at a fast walk. Then try this same test with a 
foam pillow taped to your head. Go ahead, I'll wait...

There now. For those of you that have been running this 
experiment as a watcher rather than participant, you probably 
found that progressive deceleration (the pillow) was much kinder 
to the human body than immediate deceleration.

Let me phrase that another way. I would much prefer to have some 
kind of transition from fast to stopped in an accident. I don't 
mind if the car is totalled -- those crumple zones, with the 
engine and tranny dropping onto the pavement, etc, are designed 
to save *me* not the car.

Someone made the comment (can't remember whether it was on LRO or 
offroad) that they don't want to pay for federally mandated 
safety. Okay fine, but give me a company that will sell me a 
really safe car and I'll vote with my checkbook...

Mike Rooth commented (and I'm roughly paraphrasing) that people 
have largely absolved themselves of any responsibility to keep 
themselves safe. Oops, I stuck a pencil in my eye...I'm going to 
sue the pencil maker, the retail store and probably the park 
ranger that watched the tree grow. I agree with Mike, you gotta 
watch out for yourself.

I do both. I look for the safest transportation I can find and I 
look both ways. No I don't wear suspenders with a belt, but I do 
take reasonable precautions ...

No flame wars here. I drive old vehicles without any safety 
equipment other than some primitive belting and new vehicles with 
antiskid brakes, crumple zones and airbags. I drive both 
carefully and count on *active* safety to save my bacon.

Rolling,

Lee Levitt
llevit@idcresearch.com

workroom: noun. A place to do things the SO won't let you do in 
the kitchen. A place to store things you'll need someday RSN.

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From: Spenny@aol.com
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 94 23:16:56 EDT
Subject: Rhinos, Elephants & Rovers, Oh My!

dixon writes:
        I was going through some old issues of the ALROC magazine
        that the Land Rover was designed to withstand a charging
        rhino.  Another issue has another advert stating the same

In the early 1970's Land Rover also had an ad that said "the Land Rover
record for elephant gorings is two, if your rover has been gored more often
or by more elephants please contact us."

The ad features a SIII 88, no elephants or rhinos though.
I found the ad in the back of an old National Geographic, if anyone would
like a xerox, e-mail me and I will send you a copy

Spenny

Spencer K. C. Norcross                                Spenny@aol.com
Haverhill, Mass. USA
===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===---===
1969 IIA SWB Bugeye - The Wayback Machine

Land Rovers on the Information Superhighway!
What will they think of next!

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Subject: *****b l o w b y***** 
From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 94 22:38:19 -0500

/G=Hui/S=Ben/OU2=IL02M/OU=ILBH/P=MOT/A=MOT/C=US/@email.mot.com writes:

> on my return trip from portland i noticed there was a lot of blowby coming fr
> my oil filler cap? my landy is  a series 2a 88" and came with the crank case 
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 8 lines)]
> blowing past the rings down into the oil pan and pushing it up into the vent 
> cap.  any help would be appreciated.

        Just a quick thought, and hopefully it isn't this, but last week we
        took Roy Baillie's engine apart because of *excessive* blow-by.  By
        excessive, it was going through a litre every 20 miles, and being a
        Series III, the crank and valve cover vents were being vented into
        the frame (might as well oil it for the winter salt eh... :-)).
        An example of how bad it was occurred while I was driving behind
        him on the 417, a divided highway after the Calabogie off-road
        event.  The front of my 109 was coated in oil.

        Compression in his engine averaged 150 across, from a low of 145 to
        a high of 160.  Taking the engine apart found melted piston tops,
        cracked top rings and basically a $1,500 parts bill to fix.  The
        cause, the engine being run very lean for a while by the previous
        owner (British Army in Alberta).

        Hopefully yours is not getting blowby for the same reason.

        Rgds,

        Dixon

        PS.  His Land Rover did do the off-road without any problem, rather
             well actually...

--
dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca
FourFold Symmetry,            |    Ottawa Valley Land Rovers
Nepean, Ontario, Canada       |    1016 Normandy Crescent, Nepean
(OVLR's InterNet site)        |    Ontario, Canada, K2C 0L4

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 00:43:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Hello and some newbie questions

Tim buys an 88.....

> I purchased the vehicle in NY state, and drove it back home to Minneapolis
First mistake... hope it's got a good frame (I live in NYS, my frame is
swiss cheese) just kidding, I'm sure it's fine.

> First, The brake lights don't work. Running lights and signals work ok, so
> some power is getting to the bulbs. Light bulbs and fuses are all ok.
none
Lucas.. the Prince of Darkness strikes yet again!!
OK..(A)-Check the brake light switch. (B) check the wires to and from the
switch. (C) take another look at the running lights. (D) look at the ground
connections for the running lights. The Rover uses a seperate circuit for
the brake lights, and the brake and running lights use a dual-filament bulb.
The running lights could work OK or they may appear to work OK. You have to
have good connections throughout. Typical NYS problems is lots of crud gets
up through the hole in the body where the wiring goes through and plays
havoc with all of the taillight wiring. Even worse if some ya-hoo got in
there in the past and kludged a trailer wiring harness in.

> Second (and may be related to above), it seems the generator is faulty.
This
> is curious since a new one was added last winter (I have the receipt). The
> new one is a Lucas, but I'm not sure which model or if its a rebuild or
new.
> It seems odd that the generator would fail after 7 months the same day a
> shop was working on the electrical system (trying to fix the brake lights)
> by pure chance. 
none
Not so odd.. it's Lucas after all.. How long did this beastie sit before you
brought it home?? Maybe, just maybe, whoever installed the generator didn't
polarize it first. (Check the Haynes manual on how to do that, give it a
try, it can't hurt.)

> Thirdly, the Zenith carb is *way* out of adjustment. It is running very
rich.
Can't help you there... Mine ran so rich people thought it was a diesel! Now
I have a Rochester.
Good luck with it all.
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 00:44:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Movie Alert!

Here's another one for you...
"Four Weddings and a Funeral"
British movie with lot's of good British humor (or what I take to be British
humor). A couple of good shots of a 88 IIA and at least one 109. Not lots of
rover stuff, but a fine movie anyway.
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 00:43:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: LOCKED WHEELS

Ben has a three wheel drive???

> I need some advise.Having trouble locking my front wheels.I own a 1966-67 
> 109NADA wagon.Just recently I noticed I can lock or unlock the front right
none
or > 
> left wheel but I can't lock or unlock both front wheels at once. What's
the 

Not that it may matter much, but what type of free-wheeling hubs do you
have, Ben? I have Warn hubs and have noticed that sometimes one will go in
easy and the other will not. The solution has been to roll the truck foward
a bit and the other side usually goes right in. 
You can drive it with one side locked, but you won't have any drive to the
front wheels in four-wheel drive since the one side will, in effect, be
spinning free.
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern)       

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 00:44:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: quick brake fluid question...

> I picked up some Castrol GTLMA instead of the usual LMA brake fluid
> this morning (only thing they had worth buying).  Counterbeing thought
	 [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)]
> it was fine for natural rubber seals but I thought I'd ask if anyone
> has used it yet...
It's the only thing I ever use in the Rover and the Triumph. Never leave
home without it!

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From: LANDROVER@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 01:07:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Rhinos, Elephants & Rovers, Oh My!

> In the early 1970's Land Rover also had an ad that said "the Land Rover
> record for elephant gorings is two, if your rover has been gored more
none
often
> or by more elephants please contact us."
> record for elephant gorings is two, if your rover has been gored more
I've got a bit of some TV program on videotape about some chap studying
elephants. Most of it is pretty mundane but there is one part that is real
good. They were "darting" young bulls and fitting them with radio collars
to track thier movements. The tricky part is they have to administer a
antidote to the tranqualizer because it's not good for the elephant to be
down too long in the heat. The guy was trying to inject the antidote when
the matron noticed what was going on. The next bit of footage gets real
exciting as the guy jumps back into the 88 and starts backing it up at a
very high rate of speed. Not fast enough however, because the matron charges
the Rover and actually rams it a number of times. The camera was bouncing
around *quite* at bit, but you do get a glimpse of a badly bent steering
wheel! 
Cheers
  Michael Loiodice       E-MAIL   landrover@delphi.com              
  166 W.Fulton St.       VOICE    (518) 773-2697                    
  Gloversville                                                      
  NY, 12078              1972 Ser III 88 Petrol (Fern) 

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