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2 | maloney@wings.attmail.co | 42 | Nuts, Videos, & Blondes |
3 | CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR | 34 | Rover on the telly |
4 | Robertslab[rjrlab@neb.co | 16 | unsubscribe |
5 | hiner@mail.utexas.edu (G | 18 | Re: tire advise |
6 | dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on | 36 | [not specified] |
7 | dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on | 21 | [not specified] |
8 | Steven M Denis [denis@o | 59 | Re: Oil Coolers |
9 | Richard Worthington [ric | 12 | unsubscribe |
10 | maloney@wings.attmail.co | 22 | Newsletter Stuff |
11 | "TeriAnn Wakeman" [twak | 12 | Unsubscribe |
12 | Steven M Denis [denis@os | 56 | Re: tire advice |
13 | Steven M Denis [denis@o | 16 | Please delete me,let me go..... |
14 | ludovico.magnocavallo@ga | 63 | [not specified] |
15 | Brad Krohn [Brad_Krohn@c | 22 | A new LR owner |
16 | "Stefan R. Jacob" [10004 | 21 | Still no luck with LRO Digest |
17 | brabyn@skivs.ski.org (Jo | 9 | tires |
18 | LandRover@aol.com | 27 | OVLR Birthday Bash |
From: Mike Rooth <M.J.Rooth@lut.ac.uk> Subject: Scope of List Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 11:50:50 BST Sorry,Teriann,but I have to disagree with your suggestion that OVLR club members go elswhere to talk.For these reasons:- Club activities are to a large degree what keeps the Land Rover world going.All the LR mags (well,both of them,anyway)feature club news in each edition.And after all,it *is* interesting to hear what people actually *do* with their vehicles.Mine,by comparison leads a very boring life,going "offroad",if it can be called such,only to get down the farm track each day to check whether my horse still has her full complement of legs,etc.The reason for this limited off raod activity is that the thing is run on a shoestring,and I just cant afford to incur self inflicted damage. But I *do* find it interesting to read of those who do,and submit that there *is* a plce on this list for such. Secondly,I would not like to see the list become merely a catalogue of repairs,along the lines of"how do I replace my starboard thrupple nut using only my left thumb and a fire hardened stick"sort of thing,for the Nth time.Usefull though this is,(and it is *very* useful)it is not,IMO, the sole reason for existance of the list. As for toys and models,well,I dont collect them myself,although I will admit to the ownership of a Corgi 110,but being a Model Engineer(lapsed, but still interested),I can appreciate the pleasure this activity can give. I've always been surprised at the restraint shown by the anarchy.Lovely word!Bit of the old buck now and then,agreed,but it never seems to go on too long,to me anyway,and it livens thing up a bit.Lets face it,if you *really* want an instance of irrelevancy,how about Mr Dimbleby doing a complete page article in LRO about his *coat*,no less!Compared to that the merits or otherwise of various beverages are essential data:-) The coordinates of this place are well known for the inevitable artillery stonk after I've siad this,no doubt,just PLEASE dont hit the bar.... Talking of LRO,has anyone in the UK got this months issue yet?I'm interested to know,because I got last months on the 30th,and this months was *supposed* to come out on the 16th.I want to establish whether it is LRO itself,or my,possibly dozy,newsagent. Cheers Mike Rooth ------------------------------[ <- Message 2 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Date: 20 Jun 94 23:33:30 GMT Subject: Nuts, Videos, & Blondes This weekend's projects included washing, vacuuming, and cruising back roads with the top down. I didn't even turn a wrench this weekend. Boy, I really enjoy driving the 88 sans top in warm weather. Anyway, it was too hot to attempt the spring replacement (high 90s). I'll have to think up some other excuse for next weekend. Hub Nut Wrenches: Someone wrote the week before last about JC Whitney carrying locking hubs for Land Rovers (#85XX1338A @ $71.95). When looking it up I noticed that they also carry "British Land Rover Spindle Nut Wrenches" (#75XX3337T @ $8.98). That sure gave me a start. This was the first time I had seen that listed. Phone 312-431-6102. Tread Lightly Video Package: I just received my 2 video tape package from Tread Lightly (1-800-966-9900). For $20 ($25 w/o a membership) I received: "Tread Lightly - Where the Pavement Ends". Fairly educational. Provides common sense tips re treading lightly with dirt bikes, 4x4s (Jap only) mountain bikes, ATVs, and snowmobiles. Not enough to get your blood going, except for the delicious blonde commentator that we'd all like to have helping pitch our tents out on the trail (except maybe for Jan & Terri Ann. You two may prefer the male commentator). When she first appeared, I got so exited, I almost dropped my Series III parts manual! "The Great Divide Expedition". This is all Range Rovers and one 110 Station Wagon travelling through the Colorado Rockies. Fantastic scenery and great off-road footage. Even more than in this year's Camel Trophy Video. Got me really psyched to go off-roading in... New Jersey? Hmmm... Hey Jan! You used to live in NJ. Where did you take your young guys a-courtin' when you wanted to have your way with them???? :-) Bill Maloney maloney@wings.attmail.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 3 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:52:25 EDT From: CXKS46A@prodigy.com (MR ALEXANDER P GRICE) Subject: Rover on the telly Andy Warhol once said that in the future, everyone will be famous for 15 minites. Well, over the weekend, my Rover achieved that level of fame, if only for 5:47. Seems that the Discovery Channel was filming in rural Suffolk on Sunday, and they needed a prop for several segments of their "Archaeology" series. My Rover figures prominently in three segments: one dealing with Antietam Battlefield, another with Angkor Wat and a third with the Sphinx. John Rhys Davis, the heavy-set Welsh actor best known as Indiana Jones' companion in the "Raiders..." movies ("Indy, why does the floor seem to move?..."), narrates. He also owns four Land Rovers, three on the Isle of Mann, one in Kenya. In three 'teasers,' 15 sec. cutaways introducing the upcoming segment ("...coming up next on Archaeology."), the Rover is just over his shoulder in front of a tent supposedly on location at a dig. In three or four other scenes, John Rhys either starts the narration leaning on the passenger door or finishes it there. Yours truly didn't get on camera, though I almost did have a go with the executive producer ("I need the jeep moved now....") By later in the day, it had become a "Range Rover!" Maybe the director was becoming a bit addled by then, as we spent a full day in the hot Suffolk sun to get less than 10 min. on film. The segments are scheduled to air on the Discovery channel sometimes in September. *----"Jeep may be famous, LAND-ROVER is Legendary"-----* | | | Sandy Grice, Rover Owners' Association of Virginia | | E-Mail: CXKS46A@prodigy.com FAX: 804-622-7056 | | Voice: 804-622-7054 (Days) 804-423-4898 (Evenings) | | 1633 Melrose Pkwy., Norfolk, VA, 23508-1730 USA | *------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------[ <- Message 4 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 10:30:03 +0100 From: Robertslab<rjrlab@neb.com> Subject: unsubscribe Unsubscribe me, please. -Brian Monks ________________________________________________________________________________ New England Biolabs, Inc. Tel. (508) 927-5054 #287 Protein Modification Group FAX (508) 921-1350 32 Tozer Road INTERNET: rjrlab@neb.com Beverly, MA 01915-5510 U.S.A. ________________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------[ <- Message 5 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 09:48:18 -0500 From: hiner@mail.utexas.edu (Greg Hiner) Subject: Re: tire advise >plunger. I haven't used it on my machine because I am using a cylendar >from an amarican motors car quite successfully and I am just building this [ truncated by lro-digester (was 6 lines)] >and it bolts right on. It has the right fluid volume and everything. I >have run mine for two years without problems. Dave VE4PN Though this might only be of interest to those in NA - I would like to see a concise list of those american parts that can be used on Rovers. Nothing against original parts (I have used plenty of them) but it is nice to have some backup. If you like - send me the things you know about - and I will put them in a list and post. I will also archive it on the RoverWeb. Best - Greg ------------------------------[ <- Message 6 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Grettir's Unrequited Love - Part II From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 10:49:28 -0400 Grettir Asmundarson <grettir@keflavik.wordperfect.com> writes: > Now to see if I can get off work for a month... > P.S. 109's are somewhat hard to come by in England. Are they any > more prevalent in NZ? none Keeping the first line in mind, in eastern Canada the distribution of Land Rovers in terms of what is most common to least would be the following (from Ted Rose who knows a lot more about availability of vehicles than I do): swb hard top with the sealed windows in the rear lwb station wagon swb station wagon lwb pick-up swb pick-up Hmmm, maybe I should go through all of the OVLR membership renewals and get a tally of what vehicles are owned by the club. The only slight drawback is that it is incomplete. I only have five or six lines for vehicles and there are a few in the club with more than ten Land Rovers. Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 7 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: Re: Ma says NO! From: dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca (dixon kenner) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 10:47:14 -0400 "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> writes: > Dixon, Any chance you or someone from your club can set up an Ottawa Land Rov > club & friends mail list for local gossip? I'm not trying to toss you guys o I will see what is involved in setting up a mailing list here. Not sure what software or scripts need to be developed. Will keep you informed... Rgds, Dixon -- dixon kenner, dixon@fourfold.ocunix.on.ca FourFold Symmetry, Nepean, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------[ <- Message 8 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 11:56:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU> Subject: Re: Oil Coolers Oil "FOOLER" huh?.....I have grave doubts about the land rover set up.....here is how it SEEMS to work... the oil comes out of the engine via a sandwich adapter * between the oil filter adapter and the block...(all items marked with a "*" mean extra oil leaks)this leads to me asking if this is now an adapter adapter.....from here a threaded adapter * is attached to a steel line with a commpression fitting * the steel line goes around the engine to the left side and meets with a flexible line with a compression fitting * ...The flex line goes to an adapter bolted to a bracket on the left inner fender and meets it with a compression fitting * in a threaded adapter * in the adapter! it the side of this bracketed adapter is a compression nut fitting * for the capillary tube used by the oil temp. gauge...the outlet of the adapter has another thread adapter * and a comptession fitting * to another steel line....this steel line goes up to the oil cooler and attachs to the oil cooler * But WAIT!!! the fitting on the inlet of the cooler is a muli-part affair conataining the oil pressure relief valve..so add **** ! the oil drains through the cooler and leaves the cooler through a steeline w/ fitting * and joins an armored flex line * that returns to the oil pan (sump) with a banjo fitting ** (2 *'s for both sides of the banjo bolt!) Whew!!!!!! is it any wonder that they LEAK!!!!!!! the operation of the cooler is this.....the original oil pressure relief valve is set to a higher pressure than normal to act as a safty valve only. The oil that is excess to the engines needs is normally dumped back into the sump(actually back in to the inlet of the pump...don't jump down my throat Mr Maloney! I'm telling a story not making an engineering analisys!) but in the oil cooler set up,the excess oil goes through all the pipes to the oil pressure valve in the cooler which now allows the excess oil to return to the sump via the oil cooler....this oil in the cooler is not under pressure and returns under the pressure of gravity. The oil pressure valve only allows oil to "dump" when the pressure exceeds the preset level...approx. 50-60 psi. Those with pressure gauges will notice that at low rpm the oil pressure will not reach the level at which the relief valve opens and even more to the point, when HOT.may NEVER reach the point of relief! In cold wearher, the oil thickens and MORE oil will go through the relief system......are we doing something STRANGE here folks?????? so in cold weather we get oil cooling and when the oil gets hot it will never get a trip to the cooler....was this invented by the same department that designed the HEATER??????? Cooked toes in July,frozen toes in February.....really......... This is not a "full flow" system meaning that the oil from the pump has a choice between the relief system or the engine,with the engine taking presendence over the cooler.... I do not feel that You are apt to ever need an oil cooler and that the added complexity and chance of engine failure due to leaks is enough to prevent me from recommending one to you. be cool... steve..... HEY, NICE JEEP MISTER!...................IT'S "NOTAJEEP" Steven M. Denis <denis@oswego.oswego.edu> PO BOX 61 Erieville,NY 13061 ------------------------------[ <- Message 9 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: Richard Worthington <richard@hqrim.sedd.trw.com> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 10:00:04 PDT Unsubscribe -- Richard Worthington richard@venice.sedd.trw.com TRW (310) 764-3573 Software Engineer TRW DH5/2638 STACCS One Space Park, Redondo Beach, CA 90278 ------------------------------[ <- Message 10 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: maloney@wings.attmail.com (maloney) Date: 21 Jun 94 04:54:33 GMT Subject: Newsletter Stuff Sandy Grice shared with me: >> Bill...don't waste time/money on the Whitless spindle nut wrench. Bought one eons ago, only to find out it's made of sheet metal with a hole in one end you pass a screwdriver thru to make a spanner). It failed on the first really tight nut. By comparison the "official" RN unit is made of tool steel, with a 3/4" square drive. >> Bill...don't waste time/money on the Whitless spindle nut wrench. Bought Sandy, Thanks for the lowdown on the JC Whitney spindle nut wrench. You just saved me a few bucks. Bill Maloney maloney@wings.attmail.com ------------------------------[ <- Message 11 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 10:41:48 -0700 From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" <twakeman@apple.com> Subject: Unsubscribe Please unsubscribe me from the Land Rover list. TeriAnn Wakeman Large format photographers look at the world twakeman@apple.com upside down and backwards LINK: TWAKEMAN 408-974-2344 TR3A - TS75519L, MGBGT - GHD4U149572G, Land Rover 109 - 164000561 ------------------------------[ <- Message 12 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 13:29:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU> Subject: Re: tire advice My advice on tires???? DONT LET MIKE L. DRIVE YOUR TRUCK!!!!!! (just kidding folks,I would have blown all 4..Mike is an"ace" driver,it was me shouting"GO! GO! FLOOR IT!!!!!....) As you and I both will need tires (thanks Dixon,we made it on your spare) I will give you my plan and insight on the matter....I am stuck with 16 inch only option...a 109sw really will not work with anything less...I was running 7.50-16 Goodyear wrangler AT's(All Terrain) The thought was that the handling with the radials would improve on the road(it did) and with the radial"flex" the offroad(mud)performance would be good(NOT...hence,go go floor it etc....) The same tire is offered in a 235-16 and is the same diameter but a smige larger across...the reason I special ordered the 7.50's was that the 235's will hit the frame on full lock where the 7.50's will not...you can adjust the steering stops,but the turning radius is bad enough now....these tires are very quite on the road,and if you have a winch(WITH the driveshaft...)to get you throuogh the REAL mud,I can recommend them....I did run these very tires on an 88 an found them to be fine......I would however, recommend the "MT" version of the same tire as it also is silent on the road(well,you can't hear it over the roar of everything else) but seem MUCH better in MUDDDY MUDDDDDD! The trouble that we had at the B'day party was the side walls on all radials are VERY flimsy(check the specs. on the tire side wall,often ONE ply side walls) and can be torn by nasty canadian rocks and sticks.... If I had to have my life depending on NO side wall punctures I would go with 8 or 10 ply bias ply tires....they have as many plys in the side as under the tread...BUT WOW DO THEY RIDE HARD!!!!!! I will still run radials as I do not intend to cross the Sahara any time soon... One final thought on the punctures...We were the heaviest vehicle there,I think,the only other 109sw was Dixon's with only 2 on board(no rear seat Dixon? what ever were you thinking lad.....)where we had 6 and full jerry cans etc. . We were running 55 psi in all tires and the max. inflation is 80 psi...the side walls on the road were not bulged out,but they most likley bulged out when we took the BIG bounce in the middle of the mud. lesson? try the max inflation pressure next time...may work,may just make a bigger BANG...... AND.....I have taken ABUSE for years for carting two spares....well you see what happens when you leave them home....they had done duty the weekend before to replace the "charcoal" tires on the towed 109 2dr... AND for some reason, the bolts on the bonnet are not long enough to hold down the 15" spare that we DID bring.....any Ideas here???? that is why we lost it on"boggy bounce blvd." 'nuff steve....... HEY, NICE JEEP MISTER!...................IT'S "NOTAJEEP" Steven M. Denis <denis@oswego.oswego.edu> PO BOX 61 Erieville,NY 13061 ------------------------------[ <- Message 13 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 1994 14:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Steven M Denis <denis@oswego.Oswego.EDU> Subject: Please delete me,let me go..... HEY! NO FAIR! I asked before TeriAnn did! and it best not be ladies FIRST! on 2nd thought I'll stay...ok ...I want to stay to see how this comes out.... THEN unsubcribe me..... Thanks... HEY, NICE JEEP MISTER!...................IT'S "NOTAJEEP" Steven M. Denis <denis@oswego.oswego.edu> PO BOX 61 Erieville,NY 13061 ------------------------------[ <- Message 14 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Subject: tyres From: ludovico.magnocavallo@galactica.it (Ludovico Magnocavallo) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 12:32:00 +0100 _________ Dear Fellow Members I just received from the UK [Warwick 4X4] a rebuilt 1962 88' wagon which has bad re-capped tires.Is it ok to put on 750x16 radials on this car? I live in orlando fl and I am having a most dificult time finding a store that sells this size.Also wht brand is best? I will be driving 90% on the road and approx. 10% off road. Also I find the front seat to close for my comfort.....I'm 73 inches tall;is there anything simple i can do to add to my comfort. Thanks for the help. Benjamin g. Newman PS My LR has been restored to a series 111 condition. _______ I have recently changed my badly worn tyres with a set of 7.50x16 Kelly Safari AWR. Apart from being the only affordable tyres I could find here in 7.50x16, they seem to be good quality radial M+S tyres for general use, on road and off-road. I'm not an expert, but I can tell you that now my 88 is a driveable car on-road. Kelly is a US manufacturer, owned by Good Year (so I'm told). I had my tyres for approx. 130 US$ each, they should be cheaper in the US. The big plus with 7.50x16 tyres is a little more speed and ground clearance. With an overdrive, I can push my 88 diesel at 100-110 km/h (if the road is flat....). I have your same problem with height. I'm 188 cm (74 inches), and I had to get accustomed with My Landy's driving position.....I think there's nothing you can do apart from trading your car for a 90....:) I have fitted hi-back front seats with a headrest, and they make a big difference. I bought them from Birmingham Land Rover Services for 49.95 u each, but a cheaper way is to adapt used seats (I'm told that Volvo seats fit well). I had an accident some months ago with my mother's car, and without a headrest I would still be wearing a neck collar.... _________________________________________________________ __________________________ |--------------------------| 1984 /____________________________\ Series III || || || 88 || || || Land Rover || || || Station Wagon ||______ ______||______ ______|| |______ / ______ \ ______| | __ | ___|______|___ | __ | |O / \ ||___|______|___|| / \ O| |O \__/ ||___|______|___|| \__/ O| | ||___|______|___|| | | | \__|______|__/ | | |_______|_____\____/_____|_______| |__________________________________| | | | | ____|____|______________________|____|___________________ Ludovico Magnocavallo via Serbelloni 8 - 20122 Milan, Italy ludovico.magnocavallo@galactica.it _________________________________________________________ --- * UniQWK v3.0 * The Solution for Multilingual Messages ------------------------------[ <- Message 15 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 11:33:52 PST From: Brad Krohn <Brad_Krohn@ccm2.hf.intel.com> Subject: A new LR owner Text item: Text_1 I've been lurking for a couple of weeks now, without enough time to say HI, so here it is: My wife and I recently purchased a '69 IIa 88 ('Bug Eye'). I think I've seen someone else with a similar model, but what can anyone else tell me about it. It appears to be one of the early "federalized" models -- apart from the bug-eyes (no recesses for the wing-mounted headlamps), it has a couple of emissions stickers in the engine compartment. From what the 12/93 LRO mag said, these actually were made in '68 and the recesses were added a year later. Is that right? Brad Krohn & Deb Shannon Hillsboro, Oregon ------------------------------[ <- Message 16 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: 20 Jun 94 18:50:49 EDT From: "Stefan R. Jacob" <100043.2400@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Still no luck with LRO Digest >I've received a host of different errors but what I'd really like to do is >subscribe to the lro-digest. ...same here, buddy (wish I could say something more encouraging). I also sent a subscribe-request straight to Majordomo@chunnel.uk.stratus.com forgoing the lro-digest-request@whatever - business, but to no avail so far. Looks like old Majordomo is a real no-go. I mailed Bill Caloccia on this a while ago, but no reply yet. Guess he's out enjoying one of Englands rare spells of fine summer weather they're experiencing over there right now (can't blame him). See you around, Stefan R. Jacob <100043.2400@CompuServe.com> LROC of Hessen Wiesbaden, Germany ------------------------------[ <- Message 17 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 18:39:26 PDT From: brabyn@skivs.ski.org (John Brabyn) Subject: tires While on the subject of tires, has anyone had experience with anything other than the factory Michelin 205-R16's on Range Rovers? John ------------------------------[ <- Message 18 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
From: LandRover@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 01:28:23 EDT Subject: OVLR Birthday Bash Whoopee!! we made it back alive.. I'd like to take this oppurtunity to thank the OVLR for a very memorable (if not a bit itchy) time at thier birthday party. I would have sent this out last night but I was "too tired".. :) You guys sure know how to have fun in the mud. Even with all the heat and bugs (mosquitos the size of crows!) I'm still smiling. Russell... I hope you and your lady enjoyed the ride in the back of the 109. I don't usually romp on it that hard but Steve did say "lots of Welli". To everyone on this side of the border who could have gone but didn't... you missed a good time.. Ha Ha! Now, as a side note... TeriAnn... quit complaining about all the banter about the beer. It's an important subject to our neighbors in the north. No matter how deep the trucks got mired or how slow the winches moved you could always count on someone to say "How about a beer, eh." Granted, we only went 7/10 of a mile in 7 hours but everyone did have a good time. Cheers... Mike Loiodice ------------------------------[ <- Message 19 -> end | Table of Contents | <- Digest 940621 -> Archive Index | <- Browser -> ]
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